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Farage Blasts Communist Europe And Leaders "Living In Noddy-Land"

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Nigel Farage, looking tanned and refreshed, is back and as he tells FOX Business in this brief clip "nothing has changed" from his views of Europe as the Titanic and its unelected officials dragging it down to the depths of the ocean. Citing Mario Monti specifically with his concerns over allowing politicians to 'decide' anything he notes the leader's demeanor is "We must not let democracy interfere with our great Grand Project." With European GDP negative, and group-hugs all around as Europeans are herded towards a European social state, Farage analogizes that "we are living in Noddyland" where economic reality and day-to-day life are as distant as they could be as he warns that they are becoming part of something that is increasingly resembling Communism. He dismisses the growing belief that "the state and government creates jobs" noting that "it doesn't, it destroys them!" With two wrongs (Spain ad Italy) not making a right; Farage is clear that breaking up the EU is necessary now and it is critical to recognize that "you don't get something for nothing" as Europe is increasingly de-industrialized.


 

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Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:57 | 2706738 Aziz
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They have austerity for the elderly and disabled in Greece... but not for European bureaucrats/central planners in Brussels!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_European_Parliament#Salary

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:58 | 2706748 LMAOLORI
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That's what you get with Communism/Socialism the elite's share the gains the rest share the pain...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:02 | 2706764 francis_sawyer
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the gift of Bolshevism never stops taking...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:04 | 2706770 no taste
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Cocktail napkin charts that ask: Just how stupid are Americans?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:07 | 2706781 francis_sawyer
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Most Americans aren't even smart enough to know what a cocktail napkin is for...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:33 | 2706851 Pladizow
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Or how to read a chart!

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:45 | 2706878 knukles
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Farage 2012

Once long ago in a London far far removed, a civil society where lads gave up their seats on the tube for elderly folk (as in 50's and 60's) I was strolling past the Aeroflot office.  Probably a twisted little fuck since childhood, dressed in a Saville Row pinstripe double vented suit, etc., strolled in and asked the price of round trip airfare to Moscow for both proletariat and bourgeois seating. 
I was asked to leave.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:52 | 2707355 JPM Hater001
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Did you see what they had open in 3rd class steerage near the boiler room on the first transatlantic crossing?  Dont hang with the irish though...dirty vermin.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 14:56 | 2707613 Oldrepublic
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re Knukles

 

 are you related to Kim Philby?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:00 | 2706924 resurger
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what is it for lol?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 15:17 | 2707755 MarcusLCrassus
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Its amazing how many muppets on this site confuse fascism with socialism.

Corporations colluding with

 government = fascism.  Not socialism. Read a book sometime and stop swallowing everything fox news pukes up.

 

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 16:33 | 2708119 Steve in Greensboro
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You are making a distinction which makes no practical difference.  Although there might be some technical differences between socialism and fascism (and Obama and the Dems seem to be more fascist than socialist) in the end both require state control of the economy and ultimately state control of the subjects' personal lives.  In both fascism and socialism, the civil society (where transactions and cooperation occur without coercion by the state) is destroyed and the feudal relationship between the subject and the sovereign prevails.  The Democrat party is the principal party of statism.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 16:38 | 2708136 4horse
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______-g-ism, everywhere, Sesquipedalianism, which is what you get when you give monkeys words to play with

. . . only a very few grunts in toto ever necessary when dividing-up the bananas

uh

uh uh

 

ruh roh                                                    TOTALITARIANISM

___ism e or is that economy, stupid when the bottom-of-the-barrel-of-fun-full-of-monkeys finds itself insane and screaming Cheetah!

 

superfluous . . .

 

nonetheless____ Over 13 years as an MEP,  Daniel Hannan has witnessed first hand how Brussels works . . .
 
. . . There is a popular joke in Brussels that if the European Union were a country applying to join itself, it would be rejected on the grounds of being undemocratic.
 Democracy is not simply a periodic right to mark a cross on a ballot paper.
 
It also depends upon a relationship between government and governed, on a sense of common affinity and allegiance.

 It requires what the political philosophers of Ancient Greece called a ‘demos’, a unit with which we the people can identify.
 
Take away the demos and you are left only with the ‘kratos’ - a state that must compel by force of law what it cannot ask in the name of patriotism . . .

. . . Unsurprisingly, the people running the EU have little time for the concept of representative government.
 
The (unelected) President of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Durao Barroso, argues that nation states are dangerous precisely because they are excessively democratic.
 
‘Decisions taken by the most democratic institutions in the world are very often wrong,’ he claims, without a hint of irony.
 
The plain fact is that the EU is contemptuous of public opinion — not by some oversight, but as an inevitable consequence of its supra-national nature.
 
The EU is run, extraordinarily, by a body that combines legislative and executive power. The European Commission is not only the EU’s ‘government’, it is also the only body that can propose legislation in most fields of policy.
 
Such a concentration of power is itself objectionable enough. But what is even more terrifying is that the 27 Commissioners are unelected. Many supporters of the EU acknowledge this flaw — the ‘democratic deficit’, as they call it — and vaguely admit that something ought to be done about it.
 
But the democratic deficit isn’t an accidental design flaw: it is intrinsic to the whole project.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2188453/The-case-Europe-MEP-Daniel-Hannan-reveals-disturbing-contempt-democracy-heart-EU.html#ixzz23ZbEGPWI

 

Clash Of The Entitled after all the unnecessary reading might hannan here just as economically reduced his interminable hermeneutics to its Zooos: Release THE KRATOS!
                                     . . . cause he ain't got 1word to say about just Whose plan, project or kratos it is
  

 

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 16:38 | 2708150 blueridgeviews
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And the Democrats want the US to resemble Europe.

Hard to believe we were fighting communism just 25 years ago. Very sad.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:43 | 2706872 FreedomGuy
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While I agree with your general idea that there is an elite or actually politcal and politically connected class, the actual problem IS disabled, elderly, and anyone else who draws virtually unlimited checks ad infinitum. There are too many people drawing more than the productive class can produce. It's not a matter or compassion or all that BS. It is mathematics. It is a red herring to say the problem is somehow just the rich or even the politically connected. The problem is fundamentally collectivism. It always promises more than it can pay for. Always! It also tends to create fewer productive, less  productive and more rent-seekers.

As long as Europe and now even the USA are heavily invested in centrally planned and controlled economies you will continue to get this. The answer is to do what no one will do short of revolutions and it is to take power AWAY from these states, Euro-parliaments, unelected officials and any other sort of genius central planning bodies. The only central coordination that should be done is how to break down trade barriers and delever the massive collective debt loads.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:17 | 2706961 ATM
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The problem isn't that the receive these benefits it's that the political/connected class uses these fucks to maintain power.

They get them on the dole and then they can always and forever count on the takers to be reliable voters for life.

The debts will be racked up, the money printed to pay for it and all the while to connected enjoy the fruits of that power. whent he shit hits the fan and the system collapses guess who wins even more? The connected! They'll demonize everyone else and scare the shit out of those who are on the dole and they will assume even more power in the next system and around they go again.

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 23:07 | 2709153 FreedomGuy
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Very true. I like the saying, "While it may be distasteful to rob Peter to pay Paul, whoever promises to do it can surely count on the vote of Paul."

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:43 | 2706876 Doode
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Since Obama is the first gay president according to Time (i believe) and he preaches the European style socialism that is clearly working really well everywhere it is applied the image that comes to mind is Leo Brezhnev giving a hearty kiss on the lips to Obama and putting a Hero of Socialist Labor Medal onto him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUWqZyxZUA - here is a preview - if only Mr. Banzai could use his photoshop skills to put Obama there that would be truly hilarious.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2706979 I am on to you
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Spot on,before the hole,Ivorytower fell,they ran, to give them self a big raise in salery,down in cool Brussels:

Since then,all people of Europe,has got the knife,deeper in the back than ever,and that says a lot:

The highest Tax% i ever paid in my life,remember folks,i am a bricklayer,not a broker,was,hold on to your hats ladies,50,4%+25%(is something then rotten in Denmark) on every thing i bought,milk bread beers (cigarrets+4700 toxic additivs) coffee sugar ect:Oh yes that was in the good old days,before privatisation of every thing=Free schools Universitys Hospital Medical Doctors,now everything is put up at Derivativ farm,up for graps,so lets se,there is a huge difference between socialism and a social sistem,the difference is the?????? ISM,no Isms,,,, works!

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:40 | 2707067 dugorama
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Okay, first of all:

it's more interesting that 38.5% of a euro court judges salary is 84,000 euo.  wow!  judges clear 200k?

somebody gave you a thumbs down for telling us where to look up salaries?  perhaps van rumpoy (sp?), the haiku herman reads ZH?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:54 | 2706740 orangedrinkandchips
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make way for noddy!!!

 

lol.....my kids watched that shit

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:18 | 2706811 Unholy Dalliance
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SHIT! You dare to call the glorious, wonderful role-model and hero of my youth, shit!!!!!! How dare you, sir, how double-dare you! I loved Noddy (I mean the original creation of Enid Blyton and not some regurgitated shit spewed out by some shit, crass Yank TV or film company. No, the original Noddy is pure and innocent and as wholesome as, as… wholemeal bread! Let no man disparage the immortal, inviolate name of Noddy.

 

YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED1

U.D.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:55 | 2706741 time2blowitup
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Paul / Farage 2016!

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:55 | 2706743 Buckaroo Banzai
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Game 'em a right good Farage-ing, he did.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:56 | 2706744 noses
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He must have been born in Teletubby land... 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:56 | 2706746 Sandmann
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The whole European Project from the 1920s under Arthur Salter and Jean Monnet was designed to replace Democracy with Plato's Republic and The Guardians.  It is simply that the Masses were bought off with Welfarism and Easy Credit so they would drift along with the New Class taking control of their lives.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:58 | 2706751 orangedrinkandchips
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the red head is very fuckable....

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:04 | 2706767 azzhatter
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very nice funbags on the redhead

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:29 | 2706842 smlbizman
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when did that skank from the gatsby become a financial reporter....

disclaimor...my wife watches while i read the hedge...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 10:58 | 2706753 Wakanda
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My corner of Noddyland is lookin' more and more like a ghetto.

Po' folks linin' up fo' stuff.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:01 | 2706757 adr
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Sorry but what the hell just happened with crude? It just gapped up about $1 in seconds.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2706977 Doña K
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Broken markets?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:03 | 2706766 azzhatter
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and a bonus, Liz Claman

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:05 | 2706772 Dr. Engali
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I like how Nigel can be clear cut in his analysis , he is similar to Ron Paul in that respect. His Tiger Woods olf analogy was a perfect description for the need of floating currencies.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:07 | 2706780 hangemhigh77
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Did I miss something? Is Banzai7 on vacation or something?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:08 | 2706784 youngman
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Shhhhhh..this is August...we are supposed to be on vacation.....no more EU problems until we sober up in September...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:09 | 2706789 Shizzmoney
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If you look at a chart of Communism and Fascism.......they are quite the same.

The only difference I see between both totaltarian states is which hand, the left or right, the state hits you with

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:14 | 2706801 francis_sawyer
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Communism = Assembled by Zionists & managed by Zionists

Facism = Installed & managed (in absentia & by proxy) by Zionists who are busy creating problems elsewhere

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:16 | 2707210 Ponzi_Scheme
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The chosen stay close to the problem and keep their representatives close. They act quite out in the open since Kissinger. Holder looks the other way at their financial crimes. They are going to destroy Western Society.

They contain in their midst the most creative and most destructive of us, each one nurtured to the top of their field by their own...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 15:36 | 2707876 Anusocracy
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Communism = hunter-gathererism

Fascism = hunter-gathererism adapted to a rudimentary market over the last 10k or so years.

The 10,000 Year War: the hunter-gatherer culture vs. the pharaonic culture, or in current terms, liberal vs. conservative

Wake up, smell our cultural/economic/political history.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:27 | 2706837 LMAOLORI
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I would argue that there is little difference between any of the ism's including socialism other then the means (brutality,corruption,willing participants who vote themselves the purse) used to establish the goal. 

Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:44 | 2706877 francis_sawyer
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More Lies (or 'coverups' as the case may be)...

~~~

Russia Issues Apocalyptic Warning For US Gulf Coast
http://www.eutimes.net/2012/08/russia-issues-apocalyptic-warning-for-us-gulf-coast/

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:43 | 2707081 dugorama
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don't you realize that invoking Hitler always mean you lose the argument?  at least scale down to mussolini, please

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 14:04 | 2707421 francis_sawyer
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The effects of Bolshevism killed off way more humanity than the Nazi's ever did... (not that I'm sympathetic for either)...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:11 | 2706793 Martin T
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Europe increasingly ressembling to Communism:
The Brezhnev Doctrine is interesting in the sense it was the application of  the principal of "limited sovereignty". No country would be allowed to break-up the Soviet Union until, the "Sinatra Doctrine" came up with Mikhail Gorbachev.

This doctrine was announced to retroactively justify the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in August 1968 that ended the Prague Spring, along with earlier Soviet military interventions, such as the invasion of Hungary in 1956. "In practice, the policy meant that limited independence of communist parties was allowed. However, no country would be allowed to leave the Warsaw Pact, disturb a nation's communist party's monopoly on power, or in any way compromise the cohesiveness of the Eastern bloc. Implicit in this doctrine was that the leadership of the Soviet Union reserved, for itself, the right to define "socialism" and "capitalism"." - source Wikipedia.

No country is allowed to leave the European Union, sounds familiar doesn't it?
http://macronomy.blogspot.com/2012/08/credit-unbearable-lightness-of-cre...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:15 | 2706805 extendedorder
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Same shit applies to the US with a Marxist Liar in Chief and a potential Junior Socialist waiting to take over.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:22 | 2706826 spooz
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Simpleton.  Name me one social program Obama has enacted that does not have a crony capitalist standing to benefit? Brain on vacation?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:14 | 2706952 JR
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Crony capitalism is fascism, a.k.a. socialism.

As John T. Flynn states, “Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.”

Why is it that the richest men in the world have been financing both Communist revolution and Socialist legislation? Why is it that wealthy socialists co-opted tax-exempt foundations that now dominate American education? How did the socialist meme gain control over most of the world’s press, radio and TV? How is it that oligarchs with crony connections to the center of power have developed powerful control centers in both the Democrat and Republican parties, taken over the U.S. State Department, manipulated themselves into control of the White House? Who are the members of the power group that is seizing the human and natural resources of the entire world?

The answers to all these questions appear in Tragedy and Hope written by Bill Clinton’s mentor at Georgetown University, Dr. Carroll Quigley, one of those on the inside of the "network." He spilled the beans on the plot to destroy the United States.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:17 | 2706962 AnAnonymous
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Crony capitalism is fascism

__________________

Crony capitalism is part of US citizenism.

Crony capitalism is the result of the 'American' communauty spirit.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:22 | 2706982 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...and crony Chinese citizenism is the result of the AnAnonymousese caummaunauty spirit.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:30 | 2707019 akak
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AnAnonymous, the world's first communaut, whose epic solo journey into the fouth dimension of insanitation and blobbing-up has been fully documented in this very forum!

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:35 | 2707042 AnAnonymous
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If it is documented by US citizens, the expectation is that it is going to be factual, very factual...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:39 | 2707062 TheFourthStooge-ing
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If it is fantasized by Chinese citizenism citizens, it will be presented by AnAnonymous as factual, very factual...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:28 | 2707014 JR
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‘Fascism entirely agrees with Mr. Maynard Keynes, despite the latter’s prominent position as a Liberal. In fact, Mr. Keynes’ excellent little book, The End of Laissez-Faire (l926) might, so far as it goes, serve as a useful introduction to fascist economics. There is scarcely anything to object to in it and there is much to applaud.’ Benito Mussolini

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:46 | 2707083 spooz
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aka? Maybe in YOUR mind.  But those ain't the facts buddy.  You making this up as you go along?  And is the richest man Koch?  The one that financed the fascist enabling Tea Party?

You think if you say something enough times the propaganda can sink in to the sheeple?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:56 | 2707141 Totentänzerlied
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Sounds like you're referring to China or the USSR. Surely you know of the apparatchiks, inconvenient though that reality may be to your communitarian fantasies.

And why the need to immediately to resort to namecalling and derision? Is that one of the Rules for Radicals I've forgotten about? Where is your love for all fellow proletariat, comrade?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:35 | 2707279 spooz
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Both communism and capitalism apparently end in the same disfunctional place.  No way to keep those in power from using it for their own gain.  

The best long term outcome for democracy is social democracy.  If the working class is exploited, what emerges from a revolution could very well be fascist.  Avoiding fascism means supporting a social democracy.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 14:45 | 2707577 extendedorder
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you think crony capitalism is not socialism? you are wrong my friend. the characterisitc of socialism is take from A at gunpoint and give to B. The characteristic of a non-socialistic society is voluntary exchange. crony capitalism is socialism.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:17 | 2706809 JOYFUL
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Nigel knows what the nattering nabobs of neo-trotskyism don't want their next victims to know too...

With the next 'ëlection' out of the way, the same killing fields that were visited upon post-czarist Russia will be rolled out into the Euro heartland, as the greasepaint smiley face of the eurocratic experiment melts off and the finely etched face of the Phoney Pharoahs' international socialist 'progressive' fascism is exposed in it's place.

And across the pond, the hopes n dreams of generations of highly trained and motivated hidden bolshi neos will be finally krowned with success, as the dupe shills of the progressivist dissimulators form the missing piece of the pincers which their partners in crime, the neo-Kons have bin waiting for to komplete the grand scheme...

 7th Circuit Court of Appeals-  customers have no right to their segregated funds held in any depository or financial institution!

next

3..2..1..till the klamp down on kash...

what's that big target thingy y'all be wearin on yur backsides?!?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:19 | 2706815 aleph0
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So refreshing to listen to a Politician that is actually neither insane nor psychopath(et)ic.

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:25 | 2706818 spooz
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Why is it that the people have to suffer the pain for the banks bad business decisions?  Spain and Italy had reasonable public debt to GDP ratios before they had to bail out the bondholders. Propping up the bank bondholders while forcing austerity on the sheeple is wrong.

http://www.economist.com/node/21559344

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:30 | 2706844 giovanni_f
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Spot on. Follow the money and you you will end up in the rat holes of the city of london and new york. The tools were invented there (derivatives) and their use got deregulated under clinton so as to make it possible that the entire western world could be screwed by financial terrorists.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:05 | 2707173 Totentänzerlied
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Yes, like a good comrade, you correctly identify all political power with the capitalists, bourgeoisie, and state and none with the plebeains, (lumpen)proletariat, peasantry, and revolutionaries. I'd ask how that dialectical Marxism is working out for you but you've already answered my question, comrade!

Here's another: why is it that the Spanish and Italian proletariat fail to embrace revolutionary class consciousness and shake off the yoke of their oppressive capitalist/bourgeois masters, but instead go along with their oppression? Every true revolutionary knows the answers to this question as provided by Marx/Engels, Lenin, (Tze-tung) Mao, (Il-sung) Kim, and plenty of others, including many *gasp* non-socialist class-traitors and bourgeos scum.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:39 | 2707289 spooz
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A social democracy is the best solution.  Communism and fascism are worse outcomes, and austerity feeds into either.

Could it be that the Spanish and Italian people still believe in a social democracy outcome through their electoral system? They actually have choices there, all we have is an interchangeable duopoly.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 00:50 | 2709329 StychoKiller
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Meh, GIVE ME enough free stuff, and I'll vote for the Devil hisself...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:21 | 2706821 sabra1
Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:23 | 2706829 giovanni_f
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Farage just go to know that the UK economy, already a de-industrialized bankers casino, has shrinked another 10% since the onset of the global crisis. More than any other nation in the top 10 group. Clearly the accomplishment of German and French bolsheviks. And no,  he didn't mention the QE program of BOE for that matter or the financial terrorists of the city of london who helped to screw MFG clients and who he used to work for.

The Incredible Shrinking UK Economy - An Update

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:34 | 2706854 littleguy
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At least it's not Italy stuck in the Euro with an unelected Goldman Sachs Manager running the place further into the ground though eh Giovi?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:08 | 2706927 Ghordius
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+1, giovanni_f, -1 littleguy

that *ç*&ç*%%& Monti has been appointed by the Prez and approved and supported by parliamentary majority vote. as per Italian Constitution.

in case you are American, here my new "unelected" rant link, I really can't stand that word anymore

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:10 | 2707189 Totentänzerlied
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A die-hard EU-apoligist shill who hates the purported cornerstone of Europe's much-vaunted democracy? Color ME surprised!

Maybe you should get out an English dictionary, though you seem to admit to knowing that appointed is not approved is not supported is not elected. In other words, you disproved your own point.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 15:48 | 2707944 Ghordius
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the founding fathers of the US had a different opinion http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-what-does-liberty-really-mean-0...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 17:30 | 2708257 giovanni_f
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What raving bullshit. Viagra or fox news side effects? Talk to your doctor about reducing your dosage, toter Schwanz

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:24 | 2706959 Ghordius
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LOL! After he just explained that the UK has a massive negative trade balance versus the EuroZone - hello? more GBP devaluation? - he goes on and wonders about the Commonwealth!! hahahahahahahahahaha!

Nigel, dearest Nigel, you had the Commonwealth and you had EFTA. Why do you think your country switched?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:46 | 2706888 ThirdWorldDude
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Used to work for?  

Duh, why do you think he's never mentioned the City in his speeches, because he's ashamed of having worked for them or because he's still on their payroll...?

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:21 | 2707237 reload
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I like what Farage says, but agree: what he does not say begs many questions. And a big one is - exactly where does he stand in regard to the City? The UKIP Treasurer is Stuart Wheeler, something of a City grandee and `philanthropist`. You will not see any damnation of UK Banking interests or practices from Farage.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 14:43 | 2707573 gwar5
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Understand, but Farage is an EU MP from the UK Independent Party. His comments over recent times are directed at trashing the Supranationalist EU movement which is being overrun by unelected bankers and the bureaucrats who love them.

UK does not use the EURO, which is the tool the bankers are using to beat up on EU members to get their way. Farage is outside that and free to speak his mind. I take whatever we can get.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:25 | 2706831 SheepDog-One
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'AHH HA HA HA HA HAAAA' yea its all fun and jokes.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:27 | 2706835 FiatFapper
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Why do yanks revere the English so much?

Anyway, euro is going up starting tonight or tomorrow; no way will it collapse until 'they' get their 2y bond yields. Must make the serfs pay and paper over the cracks.

Once obummer is back in office, then they'll release the dogs.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:29 | 2706841 SheepDog-One
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Nope, what they want next is 'hated evil whitey repub' puppet to take all the blame, ObaMao's usefulleness is over his purpose is complete.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:28 | 2706839 zilverreiger
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Farage could better concentrate on the completely bankrupt hyperleveraged UK economy, Instead of mingling with fox mindcontroll in the colonies.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:36 | 2706857 giovanni_f
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Righty right. But thats not the mission of our ex city-of-london trader.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:49 | 2706895 Rip van Wrinkle
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Farage can only answer the questions he's asked. He knows the UK economy is f*cked, believe me.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 15:46 | 2707921 giovanni_f
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No. He is panicking because the UK is in its last throes. Ever been to the UK? Feels like travelling a 3rd world country.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:29 | 2706840 HyperLazy
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My market display just broke. It is displaying symbols like squares, angstrom, backslash, percentage, copyright and diameter instead of numbers...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:32 | 2706850 Richard Whitney
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OK, they are doomed. We have known this for some time now. We ought to get on with things, and start thinking about what to do when they are gone. For starters, how about a policy of not throwing our assets into the hole they are digging? Let's wean them off of NATO, and publicly suggest they need to invest in their own defense. And as a follow-up to that, publicly state that the U.S., which they like to mock at every opportunity, no longer will be there to rescue them from whatever internal or external threat is sure to stalk such weak prey. How about an administration that develops free trade agreements with Latin America and SE Asia? We need to move on.

Someone could build a career writing about what we should do when the inevitable happens. Too many are busy describing what just happened as if it were analysis.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:44 | 2706880 i-dog
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Though 'they' are having unexpected trouble keeping the EZ balls in the air, the US will be crashed before they allow the EZ to implode. You can count on it (though I'm still hoping for the opposite sequence, for all our sakes).

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:57 | 2706916 JR
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It won’t work to cut Europe off from our assistance because our assistance consists of providing the source of the poison, namely the Federal Reserve System which is intricately linked to the European banks.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:38 | 2706861 JR
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For at least 75 years it’s always been the third rail in western politics to label the socialists as communists; but the truth is, the idealists, the “progressives” and the liberal media help push us down this slippery slide toward totalitarian government under a sky that looks exactly like communism. An idealist named Whitaker Chambers, the U.S. go-between of spies stealing documents in Washington DC to be delivered to the Soviets in the 1930s, went so far as to begin selling out his government for the Bolshevik future; but dramatically he saw the error of his ways and repented. His confession identifies this poisonous socialism that leads to tyranny in the clearest terms that it has ever been described:

“Experience and the record had finally convinced me that communism is a form of totalitarianism, that its triumph means slavery to men whenever they fall under its sway and spiritual night to the human mind and soul. I resolved to break with the Communist Party at whatever risk to my life or other tragedy to myself or my family.”

And defining the process, who better for the description than the expert:

“The goal of socialism is communism.”
-- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:04 | 2706931 LMAOLORI
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John F. Kennedy, defender against communism, born May 29, 1917

Not your daddy's democratic party anymore that's for sure but IMO Communists have infiltrated not only the left but the right also. 

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:41 | 2707074 spooz
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Trash talk propaganda

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:23 | 2707247 Totentänzerlied
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You're not even trying anymore. Really? A first-hand historical source is spewing propaganda? I'll take Chambers' word over yours, hell I'd take Stalin's dog's word over yours. You didn't even attempt a refutation! Please tell us the one about how, depending on whichever color Marxist you are, all other Marxists are wrong and their socialisms aren't true socialism and they're really capitalist puppets and so on through the baffle-with-bullshit wormhole and into the dark, tiny cage you call the best utopian political-economic system ever devised, you know, the one which presumes I'm dumb enough to believe there's any difference between any dialectical Marxist, or dialectical Hegelian, (calling it productivist is redundant) political-economic philosophies including the so-called "anarchist" flavors.

Looks like I forgot my revolutionary class consciousness thinking-cap while getting dressed this morning, comrade!

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:45 | 2707312 spooz
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The problem is the guy was bashing communism. And then ends with the communism=socialism.  Intellectually dishonest.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 14:31 | 2707519 gwar5
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It's the truth. Socialism = Communism. Socialism is open ended, with no limits to it's progression, swallowing up all property and individual freedoms.

 

If Obama is not a socialist but is already confiscating private property, trashing religious freedoms, free speech, and planning a spy drone for every 10K citizens --  so then what happens when we get a real "socialist" in charge??  That would really suck.

First socialism bankrupts the state, and then the little dictator comes out on the balcony to reassure the unhappy crowds that the army will be patrolling the streets to restore peace and prosperity by enforcing the new shared sacrifices.

 

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 18:26 | 2708491 spooz
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How is Obama confiscating private property, pray tell?  Or trashing religious freedoms?

Free speech and spy drones?  Seems like you must be referring to the Patriot Act/NDAA, which was overwhelmingly supported by the Republican party.  Are they socialists too?

More truth bending propaganda. If Obama were a socialists, the liberals wouldn't be bailing on him.  

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/14/time-to-boycott-the-election/

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 15:23 | 2707795 Oldrepublic
Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:42 | 2706868 FieldingMellish
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All your sixpences is ourz...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:46 | 2706886 kaiten
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Farage is the best clown in Europe. No doubts.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:48 | 2706892 nokomarie
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What 'choo want for nothing, rubber biscuit?

If it don't bounce back, you go hongry...  bow bow bow

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:49 | 2706894 AnAnonymous
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US citizen governments do not create jobs in US citizen economics... Well done. Very credible.
In the same vein, US citizenism is all about freedom, justice and truth... Yeah, dont you believe that? Then go back to the US citizen indoctrination centers...

And as expected, instead of telling things as they are, that is that US citizenism prevails in Europe, it is supposed to be something else: communism, fascism, nazism...

Of course, US citizens fail to tell how what is going on is not US citizenism. For the simple cause: what is going is US citizenism.

That US citizen of Farage managed an additional trick: as he is unable to state things as they are, that is that Europe is under a US citizen way of things and nothing else, he managed to claim that Europe is Noddy land, while himself do not live in a fantasy world.

US citizenism at its best. Applause if you love.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:09 | 2706941 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Applause if you love.

I applaud AnAnonymous for providing an entertaining summary of events from the mentally deranged point of view.

Chinese citizenism insanitation at its best.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:13 | 2706947 AnAnonymous
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Digging deeper...

That is 'American' humanism as brought to you by an 'American'

Laughing at mentally deranged point of views as it reads...

Ah, what a great gift on humanity, that 'Americanism'

No one could have wished for better...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:18 | 2706963 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Laughing at mentally deranged point of views as it reads...

No, you misinterpreted. I am applauding your mentally deranged point of view. It provides a certain unique perspective which can be found nowhere else.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2706981 AnAnonymous
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providing an entertaining summary of events from the mentally deranged point of view.

__________________

It is just one comment above. It is known that US citizens excell at denying the most obvious but wait, fine specimen of US citizenism here...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:26 | 2707001 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, tooting his own horn, said:

It is known that US citizens excell at denying the most obvious but wait, fine specimen of US citizenism here...

I have to agree. You are, without doubt, one of the finest specimens of US citizenism in existence. Proceed to center stage and take a bow, as you've earned the accolades.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:32 | 2707029 AnAnonymous
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Again? According to your own fantasy, I should be the only specimen of US citizenism in existence.

Fantasy is fantasy, but sometimes, some consistence helps... Just saying.

This is what one gets when one tries to claim that Abraham Lincoln is a figment of my imagination, that the Lincoln brigade is a figment of my imagination, that 'Americanism' does not exist, that 'Americans' do not exist, go into chinese citizenism fantasy etc

You could write a book with all the fantasy that were thrown in in hope to divert from 'Americanism'

'Americans' can not cope with the reality of 'Americanism', they have to flee into fantasy to shield themselves from it...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:42 | 2707079 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous exclaimed:

Again? According to your own fantasy, I should be the only specimen of US citizenism in existence.

Well, you are, actually. I just didn't want to single you out and make you feel alone.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:26 | 2707255 Totentänzerlied
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"sometimes, some consistence helps"

I recommend the Kung Pao chicken, it's a Chinese US China American citizenism specialty, but it'll get ya goin'.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 15:03 | 2707674 WTFx10
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STFU

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:39 | 2707047 akak
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It is known that US citizens excell at denying the most obvious

It is known that AnAnonymousAsshole excells at projecting his personal and ethnic failings onto others, most notably his inability to accept responsibility for flawed or grossly erroneous statements and arguments, as well as the traditional collectivism and xenophobic bigotry of, and the low value placed on freedom by, his own Chinese people.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:22 | 2706985 ThirdWorldDude
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Keep on digging, you just might find gold... or feel something.

http://youtu.be/F97RgIz_fTE

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 11:59 | 2706913 Your Creator
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Fascism is good ol leftist socialism.  Everything statist is leftism.   Everything conservative or right is freedom oriented with limited state control.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:04 | 2706930 AnAnonymous
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'Americanism' is strong on the State. In the 18th and 19th century, 'Americans' never grew weary of telling that the State was the hallmark of civilized people, who had a duty to crush and rob from savage people who were stateless societies...

Communism, fascism, nazism are all younger than 'americanism'

'Americanism' is the seminal root of the State worshipping cult.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:15 | 2706954 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, warping the fabric of space-time, said:

'Americanism' is the seminal root of the State worshipping cult.

Taking more trips in your time travel rickshaw? Please do the next of explaining Roman Empire citizenism built on top of 'Americanism'.

Nevertheless, your comedy value is high. Good job with the entertainingment. Made me laugh.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:20 | 2706973 AnAnonymous
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Please do the next of explaining Roman Empire citizenism built on top of 'Americanism'.

_______________________________

Explaining what about the Roman Empire era?

It just does not click.

Nowhere the roman empire developped the same rhetorics about the State as US citizens did.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:31 | 2707026 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous stated, as if factual:

Nowhere the roman empire developped the same rhetorics about the State as US citizens did.

Well, well, well...

Saxton and the countess.

My, my, my...

I think it is now clear just who, using his time travelling rickshaw, is responsible for burning the library at Alexandria.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:33 | 2707035 AnAnonymous
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The Christians, the Christians...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:49 | 2707100 akak
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The Tibetans, the Tibetans ....

The Taiwanese, the Taiwanese ....

The Falun Gong, the Falun Gong ....

The Tiananmen protesters, the Tiananmen protesters ...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:34 | 2707038 AnAnonymous
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And nothing about the claim about the roman empire...

Just plain US citizenism at work...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:46 | 2707093 TheFourthStooge-ing
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And nothing about the claim about the roman empire...

Nothing needs to be said. You burned all of the state worshipping rhetorics of the Romans with that little fire you started in Alexandria.

Just plain time traveling Chinese citizenism firebuggery at work...

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:39 | 2707058 spooz
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Isn't it embarrassing spouting such ignorance?

Fascists support private property and reject democratic socialism. 

Fascist Mussolini writes:

""Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism, which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism..."

 Also, communism is  opposed to fascism and fascists have commonly campaigned with anti-communist agendas. But both communism and fascism oppose liberalism, individualism and parliamentarianism. 

Don't know why I bother with dolts like you.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:39 | 2707287 Totentänzerlied
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Now who is using trash-talk propaganda?

You expect anyone to believe that the fascists and communists and socialists are not all partisan - by definition - and all socialist - also by definition - and thus competing for the same type of sheeple from the same classes and neighborhoods? Competition is fiercest between equals.

No, I must take Il Duce on his word that "our system is nothing like their system, totally redesigned from the bottom up with YOU in mind!" just like how Obama and Clinton are nothing like Bush and Romney or how the Protestants are nothing like the Catholics?

"Also, communism is opposed to fascism" Also, Chevy is opposed to Ford. Right, the body panels are shaped differently, price is a little different each year, maybe different options and colors. To someone zealously committed to one or the other for other reasons, it is expected that they would try to downplay similarities and exaggerate differences. You aren't fooling anyone who has not already fooled himself.

It is quite obvious you don't know why you bother with dolts like us, neither do we, you may exit at any time.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:49 | 2707337 spooz
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Socialist is a very broad category. Ever heard of social democracy?

 Those who wish to perpetuate elitist propaganda use buzzwords like "socialism" to describe the evil empire.  Its dishonest propaganda and you're spewing it. 

And every one of the US politicians you named are part of the plutocracy.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 14:14 | 2707460 gwar5
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Solzhenitsyn: Socialism doesn't even exist. Socialism is a total myth. There is nothing written down anywhere, such as a Constitution, about socialism and how it is all supposed to work, so no one should be suprised that it does not work. Marx's Manifesto stops with the dictatorship. They are just making it all up as they go along. It is whatever they say it is. 

 

First rule of American Socialists: "Never call yourself a socialist, or admit to being a socialist, or communist. It's too damning. Instead, call yourself a liberal or progressive or a democrat."

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 16:15 | 2708062 spooz
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Shortly after Solzhenitsyn's death, Richard Pipes,a history professor at Harvard, wrote of him:

"Solzhenitsyn blamed the evils of Soviet communism on the West. He rightly stressed the European origins of Marxism, but he never asked himself why Marxism in other European countries led not to the gulag but to the welfare state. He reacted with white fury to any suggestion that the roots of Leninism and Stalinism could be found in Russia's past. His knowledge of Russian history was very superficial and laced with a romantic sentimentalism. While accusing the West of imperialism, he seemed quite unaware of the extraordinary expansion of his own country into regions inhabited by non-Russians. He also denied that Imperial Russia practiced censorship or condemned political prisoners to hard labor, which, of course, was absurd."

First rule of American Facists: Pretend the greedy peasants are the cause of economic collapse. Use race baiting, religion and double speak to confuse the sheeple and take the heat off the elite plutocrats that control the system. 

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:56 | 2707372 gwar5
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Sorry spooz, you're a snooze so you lose. They're all central planning and euphemisms for authoritarianism. Who cares which asshole is doing the dictating?

 

Classical liberalism has always described conservatives who believe the US Constitution's purpose is to limit government power and maximize personal freedom of the individuals who are the sovereigns.

Mid-20th century the socialists co-opted the term "liberal" and rebranded themselves, like a snake trying to shed it's skin. Today liberalism and socialism is fascism, just ask Dronebama who is showing us how history rhymes. 

Ron Paul now resembles classical liberalism ideas the most, but we don't call him a "liberal" because the snakes have stolen the name. 

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 14:06 | 2707419 spooz
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So much easier to round up those sheeple when you simplify the dialog, right?

And your clinging to the Constitution for your cover, when the founders had no clue about how "free markets" would enable elites to plunder resources through globalization. 

Ron Paul is only tolerable because he is outside the duopoly and isn't afraid to speak out against our crony capitalists.  He needs to work on the social aspects of his agenda and anybody who still thinks deregulation is a good thing is deluded. It only serves the elites who game the system.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:00 | 2706925 vertexa
Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:13 | 2706943 Bokkenrijder
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Nigel definitely has some good points regarding the madness of the EUSSR, but just like his American cousins (like the FOX 'journalists' that are smirking in the background) he fails to see that the world has moved on and that Britain is no longer the mighty colonial power it once was.

What about the UK's national debt Nigel? How many % to GDP is that again?

Financial Services? The UK is very much like the US, in economic terms, a monoculture almost soley relying on the banking industry. Is that really such a good idea Nigel? Anything that's corrupt and bent in economic terms comes from London! LIBOR? Precious Metals manipulation?

Producing things? Like the Yanks, ask the Brits to build a car and they fail miserably. Rover? Vauxhall? Leyland? Anything that has a "made in Britain" label on it is almost guaranteed to fail or break down. 

Energy? The 'energy policy' of the UK is similar to the US: rely on oil and if that fails invade countries that have oil.

I'm NOT saying that the EU is better, but the UK is just a 'rich' third world country living on borrowed money.

The ONLY reason Nigel wants the UK out of the EU is so that his corrupt buddies in the City (Farage is an ex-banker...) can continue their market rigging monkey business unhindered by any EU legislation.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 12:18 | 2706964 bankruptcylawyer
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who is nigel working for ? the bank of england?

what's their plan?

nigel is a broken record at this point. while almost everything he is saying is true. what ISNT he saying?

 

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 13:17 | 2707217 bnbdnb
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Anybody have any more info on this?

Sudden surge in bond issues-

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2012/08/15/companies-stampede-to-issue-bonds-in-august-informa/

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 16:57 | 2708220 Bob Sacamano
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Ah, fixed income investors are giving away money at low interest rates = more companies will take it. 

Corporate sector has deleveraged at the margin over past couple of years.  Fixed income investors have billions of corporate debt that matures every day -- they have to reinvest it.  Hence the pie eating contest for corporate debt.  Shrinking supply of corporate debt = lower rates for corporate debt = increased new corporate debt issuance (but not enough to offset shrinking supply).  

Attention all investment grade corporations -- get all the long term debt you may want NOW. 

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