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Farage On Greek Chaos: "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet"

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Outspoken and oracular MEP Nigel Farage bombards his fellow unelected officials with 'you can't handle the truth' comments as he points out the total contradiction that is the European Parliament's (and 'Puppet Papademos') view of how things are going in their democracy relative to the reality of a TROIKA-ordered coup forced on the man in the street. Greece is being driven further and further into chaos and as he implores his peers: "If they don't get the Drachma back, you will be responsible for something truly truly horrible!".


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Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:26 | 2161480 Cognitive Dissonance
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I <heart> Nigel Farage.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:31 | 2161491 Spirit Of Truth
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Alan Greenspan: "I have found a flaw."

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:33 | 2161519 knight99
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Huge man crush on this guy.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:35 | 2161531 Comay Mierda
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I wish he could have been my valentine

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:46 | 2161592 boogerbently
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That was the most heartfelt and diplomatic rendition of "Kick their @ss OUT", yet!

It's for THEIR own good.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:03 | 2161677 trilliontroll
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Farewell Speech Jefferson Davis
January 21, 1861
Speech on the Floor of the United States Senate


Then, Senators, we recur to the compact which binds us together; we recur to the principles upon which our Government was founded; and when you deny them, and when you deny us the right to withdraw from a Government which thus perverted threatens to be destructive of our rights, we but tread in the path of our fathers when we proclaim our independence, and take the hazard. This is done, not in hostility to others; not to injure any section of the country, not even for our own pecuniary benefit, but from the high and solemn motive of defending and protecting the rights we inherited, and which it is our duty to transmit unshorn to our children.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:19 | 2161751 IAmNotMark
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Wow.  You're using a positive quote from a Confederate.  You must be a racist.  /sarc

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:23 | 2161783 GMadScientist
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Wow. You think what people say is more important than what they do.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:30 | 2161802 The Big Ching-aso
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Wait till the Greeks chaos, eh?   Hell wait till the French chaos.   Croissants in the street.   Missile baquettes.     Dom Perignon molotovs.    You ain't seen ugly yet, monsieur.     Well yeah ya have.   Merkel.    But wtf I digress.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:37 | 2161878 FEDbuster
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No the real show will be here in the good ole USA.  $10/gal. milk and gasoline should do the trick, but it won't happen till we lose reserve currency status.  In the meantime, printing our problems away is successfully kicking the can down the road.  Do your think the PIIGS would have any of these problems (or riots), if they had a Euro printing press? 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:43 | 2161919 juangrande
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Dairy is the most over rated food group on the pyramid. But I luvs my cheese!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:09 | 2162025 Don Birnam
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This address should be accompanied by a soundtrack -- perhaps, "The British Grenadiers."


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:16 | 2162067 smlbizman
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paul/farage/tylers/and the judge....

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:25 | 2162172 Ghordius
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careful, cheering Nigel Farage might equate to cheering the banking cartel

read further down - or follow here the link

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:28 | 2162433 trav7777
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giving the drachma back won't change a fuckin thing

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 19:13 | 2163968 AUD
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You mean Nigel 'martial law' Farage?

Of course the Greeks are being deliberately screwed & so protest. The riots in the UK on the other hand are the nefarious work of criminals, juvenile delinquents & other assorted scum who deserve to feel the iron fist of the state.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:38 | 2164198 old naughty
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...and thats one of the very few not made in china.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:51 | 2164233 luna_man
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Hey "FEDbuster"...Bernaks "printing press" serves ALL!



Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:16 | 2162074 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Chingazo!  + 1  (+ 1000)

Yes, this will get ugly in La Belle France.  Two weeks later it gets ugly here.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 18:57 | 2163918 UP Forester
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When the Euro absolutely tanks, you have less than 2 weeks to get from paper to physical commodities.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:05 | 2162610 boogerbently
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She has to put peanutbutter on her face.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:25 | 2162719 falun bong
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the message is that the elite will continue crush the people more and more no matter how many riots...Arab Spring, OWS, Greece...soon coming to a country very near you

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:14 | 2162059 Augustus
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You mean like violating the Constitution is NOT doing something?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 19:28 | 2164010 solgundy
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ya..just like the muslim President

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:36 | 2164192 disabledvet
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well they did counter the Northern aggression quite effectively. Clearly the better horseback riders were defeated.
however...they appear to have learned their lesson.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:02 | 2161843 JW n FL
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Farewell Speech Jefferson Davis
January 21, 1861
Speech on the Floor of the United States Senate

"...Then, Senators, we recur to the compact which binds us together; we recur to the principles upon which our Government was founded; and when you deny them, and when you deny us the right to withdraw from a Government which thus perverted threatens to be destructive of our rights, we but tread in the path of our fathers when we proclaim our independence, and take the hazard. This is done, not in hostility to others; not to injure any section of the country, not even for our own pecuniary benefit, but from the high and solemn motive of defending and protecting the rights we inherited, and which it is our duty to transmit unshorn to our children. ..."


I thought everyone knew?

The South is Already Rising Again.

All You Wanna Be Zionists Take Fucking Note!

The Zionists thought is sounded better.. I will enjoy righting several wrongs, small and only for myself as they may be.


The Shocking Jewish Role in Slavery Part I: What Jewish Historians Say


I wonder if the Jews that pushed for the name change of this school mentioned these facts while belittling the Evil White Man! LULz!!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:21 | 2162102 Bartanist
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One would think that our modern day crop had never read the book of Ezekiel and learned from their own HISTORY.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:32 | 2162449 trav7777
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huh?  You mean the book that paints them out as a victim except when GOD tells them to commit genocide?  LOL.

Jews have been neck-deep in every vice trade since the dawn of time.  They are not a reviled people for nothing. 

During the egyptian famine, they watched out for each other and lent at interest to the egyptians and ended up owning most of the country.  Then the egyptians rose up and put down the foreign nomad war tribe clan.

Nobody ever wonders how they went from ruling class to slave class?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:38 | 2164201 disabledvet
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EVERY vice? That seems a little over the top...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:29 | 2162440 trav7777
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farrakhan is all over jewish involvement in the slave trade. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:10 | 2162632 Breaker
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"farrakhan is all over jewish involvement in the slave trade."

Farrakhan is an idiot. There's an inverse relationship between the stuff he is "all over" and stuff that is true. He's probably not always wrong. But his being all over something is a pretty good indicator the subject is nonsense.

Until English and New England Christians made slavery illegal, seized ships carrying slaves, and fought a war about it, pretty much everyone in the world had and traded slaves. Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Blacks, Whites, American Indians, Aztecs, Maya, Incas, Spanish, Portugese, English, . . . . and I haven't even hit Asia in the list yet. And, slaves were of all colors, nationalities, religions and hues. It was a rainbow coalition on both the slaver and slave side. It was the norm. The winners got slaves. The losers got to be slaves.

The idea that slavery is not good is a very modern idea, with it's strongest roots in the English (later American) Puritans. That idea coincided with the era in which a disproportionate number of slaves in the Western world were black. That coincidence distorts the modern narrative on the subject into the inevitable and by now boring discussion of race.

Slavery is the historic norm. We live in a short-lived era where slavery is mostly gone except in Africa, Islamic countries, and parts of Asia. Blaming one group is pretty much a mugs game of finger pointing when the finger should be pointing back at yourself. Blame sinful human nature if you have to blame anyone and be thankful you live in a time when it is unlikely you will be taken slave.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:27 | 2162727 Beard of Zeus
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That was awesome. Well said.

The existence of slavery then and now doesn't bother me.

People use the issue to make moral gestures to make themselves look better.

Denouncing slavery is a form of moral grandstanding and competitive altruism.

White people in particular are very good at this.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 19:38 | 2164034 Whiner
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By Jove, you've got it. All truth claims are disguised assertions of power. My slave just brought me a second gin and tonic. He's happy to have food and shelter after MF Global blew up his ranch. Yankees go home.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:22 | 2164150 ChrisFromMorningside
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I denounce slavery and it's not because of moral grandstanding or competitive altruism. Quite simply, I don't want to be a slave and I'd prefer to leave my children a society where the chance that they could ever be enslaved is as close to zero as possible. Slavery is a flawed economic system. Free labor and "Free Soil" is what made this country great (for a time, anyway ... it seems like many want to drag us back to slavery via debt and cultural brainwashing).

With that being said, the poster above is right that slavery is/was commonplace around the world and the Anglo-African slave economy of the U.S. was but one (relatively minor, in the grand historical view) instance.

If other societies want to practice slavery, I won't crusade against them. However, said societies should stay the fuck away and not try to bring that back to U.S. shores.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:41 | 2164206 disabledvet
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now give me the ownership rights of my DNA back to me government you conniving phucks!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:24 | 2162968 taxpayer102
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Minister Farrakhan and the NOI have simply revealed the truth about Jewish involvment in the slave trade.

If you read volume 2 of the 'Secret Releationship Between Blacks and Jews' you'll discover Jewish rabbi's, scholars and respected Jewish sources clearly documented their financing and control of slavery America, the Caribbean and Brazil.  The Minister didn't write their history, they wrote it. It's time America learned the truth.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 02:09 | 2165037 Breaker
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I'm sure this was covered in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion also. I cannot imagine anyone being obsessive enough to devote TWO written volumes to the Secret Relationship between Blacks and Jews. I have no doubt that there were Jews involved in the slave trade. Duh. Every group has had its slavers, including blacks and Muslims. Beyond the "duh," what is Farrakhan's point? That Iran should nuke Israel? That we should all go kill Jews? That people should all give Louis Farrakhan a lot of money and power because, unlike Jews, his ancestors were never involved in slavery? Whoops! I suspect Door No. 3--money and power. But maybe he's just insane.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:39 | 2163028 Random_Robert
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The only people that could/would be "taken" slave are those who are so weak that they would choose to serve others (involuntarily) rather than fight to maintain their personal right to their own destiny.

Life. liberty, pursuit of happiness... does ANY of this sink in?

Patrick Henry (the real person), and Kunta Kinte (the fictional character in Roots) possesed characters that were both cut from the same cloth- ie: they were not PUSSIES.

Most of the rest of humanity?  Pussies, every last one. 

"If I don't change my name and serve you, you will kill me...? Oh dear, What's my new name, again?"

Liberty is about nothing but the personal choices we would make given particular sets of circumstances.

Compelling someone to do something involuntarily (ie: against their will) is morally inferior behavior- that is why a society based on personal freedoms can not simultaneously condemn slavery, and collect mandatory taxes from its population.

Are British Butlers slaves? No? Why not? Do they not serve others? Do they not put up with the inane crap of a bunch of Burgoisie swine?

Yes, but they do so VOLUNTARILY.




Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:14 | 2163195 Citxmech
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I wonder if slavery will again become the norm as the EROEI on our energy feedstocks continue to diminish. . .

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:42 | 2161892 Miss Expectations
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I had a history teacher in 8th grade who was a retired Army Colonel.  On the last day of class he stood up and addressed us very formally.  He said, "If you remember anything, remember this:  The Civil War was NOT fought to free the slaves."  Also, "There is a distinct difference between FREEDOM TO and FREEDOM FROM."

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:17 | 2162078 bpom
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There were two apparent causes to the war. One was Slavery and the other was State Rights. However, if Slavery were out of the way, there would be no trouble from State Rights. The war, then, was about Slavery, and nothing else.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:27 | 2162418 psychobilly
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This is the exact opposite of the truth.  Congratulations.

Like something someone would say who either works directly for or indirectly on behalf of the government.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:00 | 2162858 The Shootist
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Cotton was King and death to tyrants. The winners always write history.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:36 | 2162467 trav7777
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my communist teacher in HS made a persuasive case that the war, like all the rest, was about ECONOMICS.

Take a look at protective tariff regimes and the structural differences in the economies if you want to know what wars are really fought over.

Slavery was a nice mythic narrative like Jessica Lynch or "Let's Roll"

In reality, the industrializing north enacted tariffs to manufactured goods via their majority in Congress, which were promptly retaliated against by the European manufacturing nations, greatly injuring the South, which was a commodities exporter.

The secession was business.  Nobody REAL cared about slavery.  They cared so much they sent the Irish to slaughter over all this.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:41 | 2162491 BliptoP3
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yes for many people, the North was afraid the south would use slaves in the factory system - this would have ruined their economies.  The laws passed to keep industrialization out of the south were becoming unteneble - something had to give.


I have ancestors who were quakers though, for them the issue was completely about slavery; but seeing as they were quakers, they would never go to war to achieve that ends.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:22 | 2162704 stormsailor
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IN THE BOOK "A DIARY FROM DIXIE" MARY BOYKIN CHESTNUT.  FARM PRODUCTION USING SLAVE LABOR WAS NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.  OVERSEER'S COULD NOT BE HIRED EVEN OFFERING 100% OF THE PROFITS.  i'm sure using extreme techniques as used in the tropics would have increased production, but unlike "uncle tom's cabin" harriet beecher stowe. southern people were very religious and very seldom used vicious methods.


very interesting quote by someone that northern interest were worried that slaves would be used in manufacturing.  this could be true but i feel the largest problem was the northern abolitionist wanted to "free the slaves", and that is where their plan ended.


due to haiti, and numerous slave uprisings the southern people were petrified to free the slaves without some workable plan for resettling them.  abraham lincoln bound the civil war to slavery with the emancipation proclamation after antietam the first major not-a-loss of the potomac army, this to elicit more support from the rabid abolitionist,  george mcclellan was appalled as were the rank and file of the union army

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 19:43 | 2164041 nmewn
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"In reality, the industrializing north enacted tariffs to manufactured goods via their majority in Congress, which were promptly retaliated against by the European manufacturing nations, greatly injuring the South, which was a commodities exporter.

The secession was business.  Nobody REAL cared about slavery.  They cared so much they sent the Irish to slaughter over all this."

This is correct.

Lincoln said it was not about slavery on many occasions. Again, if you pull up the "Emancipation Proclamation" you can clearly read that it was a purely political document. The power to free or bind slaves is by force...brute force. Wherever the Union army was in control (the force) the slaves were left just as they were, that is slaves. Wherever the Union army was not, this document presumed to free them. But there was no force to free them in those places.

It was (the document) meant for European consumption. It was a political contrivance.

As an aside and for full disclosure, my great grandfather was in Virginia serving under AP Hill at the end of it. The point being, the north was using "immigrants" (Germans & Irish primarily) on the front line.

The yankees felt them more expendable than themselves.

They were fed into the meat grinder of frontal assaults on entrenched and well covered positions. My ancestors company was capturing men who couldn't speak English but through translators found these men were promised US citizenship if they joined the Union army and carried a gun against the south.

All they had to do was survive.

Pretty callous on their part by todays standards...or not. They (yankees) didn't call US Grant "Butcher Grant" for no reason ;-)

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:47 | 2164223 disabledvet
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i would agree INITIALLY the "War between the States" wasn't about slavery--but if you haven't read the Gettysburg Address then you simply have no clue about the war became ALL about slavery...and of course..."slavery was ended" i might add. (Imagine a politician NOT engaging in a bait and switch in this day and age.) And this was Lincolns genius...he literally called it "a NEW BIRTH OF FREEDOM." I would agree of course "it has been far from realized in our current condition." And needless to say "there are no Lincolns on the horizon" either. I can think of some quality places to start however. For example turning all Class A truck drivers, airline pilots and ship Captains into Federal employees.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:33 | 2164349 nmewn
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The issue of what to do about the slave economy imported with the people who came here fact...put on the back burner at our conception as a nation.

We simply could not afford to not come together over that issue with Britain still pissed. And they did invade us after that...but I digress.

The cause of the war was economic, not slavery, as you correctly say.

The document itself (the EP) is quite plain, if you read it with an open mind you will see it is a political fraud meant for Europe, not for slaves.

All the high sounding words mean absolutely nothing when you've arrested writers & editors of newspapers in NY & Maryland (freedom of speech & the press) and you've suspended habeas corpus defined in our Constitution and in our common law for anyone who disagrees with you AND you are threatening to arrest the head of the Supreme is not advocating "freedom" for anyone in any lawful manner.

Again, this conception (of us) was voluntary at the outset. This carries weight of equal measure.

The force of the scale much came later, with Lincoln & the war, which was/is the problem. You can't have a meaningful forced marriage, it has to be voluntary.

I would remind you where the term greenback came was under his tyranny and alliance with the monetary interests. And I am under no illusion that if he had nukes he would have used them on his "brothers" both white, red, black and yellow.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:37 | 2162473 BliptoP3
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Lincoln ran on a pro-slavery platform.  The man wanted to preserve the Union; by whatever means necessary.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:43 | 2162498 Lednbrass
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Complete horseshit. You make an utterly flawed statement and draw an even stupider conclusion based on it.

There is no slavery now, and I still dont want to share a country with idiots like you. Let us vote on it, and we will see how long the south stays politically tied to the north. You threw the constitution out the window long ago in your relentless march toward an all powerful central government, Lincoln threw it in the trashcan to "save" it.

A common language and currency do not make a people and we have nothing else in common. By all means, lets put it to a vote- a very large number of folks in the south have no use for you whatsoever.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:38 | 2164196 ChrisFromMorningside
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The potential successor states he delineates are absurd. Nonetheless, I wonder if people will turn to devolution/secession once more when the economic SHTF.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:52 | 2164239 disabledvet
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absolutely false that there is no modern variant of slavery brewing. it's all about "the triumph of the will" over your mind....the universal use of the inernet (which cannot be turned off--even by the government as Egypt found out) is the network being used...and the device is whatever connected device that is in your house, car, pocket, etc that connects your mind directly to a central controller.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:03 | 2162876 roadhazard
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The North would only pay the South .10 an lb. for it's cotton. Europe would pay more. The North blockaded the South. The result was War.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 19:37 | 2164032 UGrev
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The issue of slavery was used as an emotional pawn by the Union to elicit a pro Union and anti-confederate sentiment.. it was the precursor to "It's for the children". The real issue was disunion and states rights. That's what ignited the war... not slavery. But disunion wasn't enough for many to go to war over, so something else was needed to rally around; something that emotionally charged people to be "patriotic citizens". 

Hate to tell all of our American brothers who are of darker tone that those who's ancestors were slaves, were played as a pawn by the union. Slavery would have become illegal anyway if the confed won, but that goes on being ignored. 

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 02:24 | 2165057 Breaker
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Have you read the debates before the South Carolina legislature before they seceeded? Go read them and tell me the war wasn't substantially about preservation of slavery for the South. For the North motives were clearly multiple. The New England states were loaded with abolitionists. John Brown wasn't working on "preserving the Union." Others wanted to preserve the union. Others wanted to let the South go its own way. By the end of the war, abolitionist sentiment in the North was probably the predominant motive. Certainly that was the case in the Army of the Potomoc.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 23:03 | 2164621 jwoop66
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You cannot deny it... if there was no slavery, there would have been no civil war.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 23:05 | 2164627 jwoop66
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If there was no slavery, there would be no civil war.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 23:09 | 2164640 edotabin
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Dr. Ferguson has a series out called "The Ascent of Money"  It is readily available for viewing on PBS. He, alone, will add a few more dimensions to what you are writing.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:22 | 2162108 boiltherich
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Freedom from religious Reichwing nuts would be nice.  And of course the Civil War was fought to maintain a white oligarchic land and slave owning over class social structure that was already archaic by the time the original constitution was drafted.  Part of the reason we have had and are in so much trouble is that in order to make a Union in the first place so many compromises had to be made with those who deeply believed in freedom for themselves and not others, and while we have millions of loudmouth whiners that are wildly pissed off at the rest of us because we have somehow offended them that does not give them license to spout sedition and anarchy, and they are greatly outnumbered.  WE the people have a lot of serious problems that are both urgent and life threatening, we can pull together to identify what those problems are and then work cooperatively to mend them, or we can be destroyed by our own inactions.  You might recognize those words, they are a paraphrase of Abraham Lincoln, "a house divided..."   Hatreds, bigotry, and threats by racists and malcontents who refuse to get along with others because of their own psychosocial disorders of inadequacy are the largest stumbling block to fixing the greed that is killing this country.  I suspect that is why so many who voted for him are disillusioned with Barry O.  He spouted many of the same concepts in order to get elected only then to go on vacation after vacation while the world burned around him.  But, the blame lay with him and not with those he has betrayed, even though they were warned.  People come and read posts filled with anger and hate and demands for Ron Paul's election and you wonder why he gains no real traction?  The population at large have come to associate his positions with some really detestable people who support him. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:36 | 2162459 psychobilly
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You are either the victim of a public school edumakashion (and severely detached from reality) or a SPLC troll. 

Either way: my condolences.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:38 | 2162480 trav7777
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are you stupid?

Race, contrary to that stupid link someone posted, is NOT a social construct.  It is biological.  That is why clinical drug trials ask for race, because they are seething racists, not because there is any genetic difference between people who were born with tons of different physical attributes.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:10 | 2162637 boogerbently
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You are......medically uninformed.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:46 | 2162799 boiltherich
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That retarded Nazi is just plain uninformed period, no need to qualify it with medically. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:01 | 2164098 centerline
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How so? There are fundamental differences...biologically speaking. I recall one guy back in 80's or so who could record results from fast-twitch muscle fiber and without knowing anything about the person could say whether it was a black person or otherwise. He was right to an astonishing degree - and of course was called racist by idiots who don't understand there are in fact biological differences.  Like blond hair or olive colored skin... it all has a purpose... unless your not into Darwin and think evolution is just a bunch of lies.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:54 | 2164245 ChrisFromMorningside
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Russian scientists ran a long-term experiment where they selectively bred wild canines (foxes and wolves), selecting for tameness and sociability with humans. Within less than a century, the canines looked and acted far more like domestic dogs than the wild canines they were only a few generations removed from. Genetically, they were still foxes and canines but in terms of appearance, temperament and instinct they were radically different.

Various human populations were isolated from one another for millenia. Africa was practically inpenetrable due to tropical diseases that non-Africans had no experience with or immunity to. Eurasians were not aware of the existence of the Americas until a few centuries ago. So we have had a far longer time to drift from each other. Africans, aboriginal Australians, some Polynesians and a smattering of other people around the world never developed large-scale intensive agriculture nor did they take up animal husbandry (in some cases, because there were no suitable crops nor animals to domesticate) like Eurasians and Amerindians did. I have a hard time believing that thousands of years of relatively isolated breeding in significantly different economic contexts that each emphasized different skills/temperaments/instincts as the keys to survival is trumped by 300 some odd years of multicultural interaction. I'll give you an example, in hunter-gatherer societies, the key to survival is a killer intinct (gotta react quickly if you run into game), impulsivity and physical strength (for raiding other tribes). While in agricultural/animal-husbandry societies that killer instinct must be tempered to allow for nurturing and raising valuable animals without your primal instinct leading you to kill them, as well as patience (crops take a long time to grow, especially orchards), and an intellectual mind is more valuable than physical strength (gotta study and learn the biology of what you eat in order to become more efficient).

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:44 | 2162794 Monday1929
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Trav, just how small is your dick?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:57 | 2162268 linrom
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Your teachers wasn't much of a historian then.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:01 | 2162592 TruthInSunshine
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I gotta' go with Trav on the slavery issue.

The real force behind the move to abolish slavery was one of economic competitive advantage/disadvantage.

Of course there were people, and in high & powerful places, who saw the profound injustice of treating humans as property. Their articulation of this was a significant contributing factor to allow a protracted, costly civil war to be fought.

But the underlying catalyst for that war was economic.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:08 | 2164112 nmewn
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And...for historical reference, the three fifths compromise at our conception was offered by delegates from north of the Mason-Dixon (Wilson & Sherman).

A minor point to be sure, as a slave would be counted for representation purposes in Congress but couldn't actually vote on anything...but still, dividing a human (Solomon like) was a distinctively northern idea in order to get the slave holding states to agree to enter the Union voluntarily in the first place.

So, whenever you hear some jack leg popping off about racial insensitivity, know that the idea of three fifths of a human came from Pennsylvania & Connecticut.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:59 | 2164265 Dapper Dan
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John Brown? Harpers Ferry? 1859? It was in all the papers!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:13 | 2164481 nmewn
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John Brown was a thief and a murderer who was never a slave to anyone or anything but his own insanity.

"At the Doyle farm, James and two of his sons, William and Drury, were dragged outside and hacked up with short, heavy sabres donated to Brown in Akron, Ohio. Mrs. Doyle, a daughter, and fourteen year old John were spared. The gang then moved on to Allen Wilkinson's place. He was 'taken prisoner' amid the cries of a sick wife and two children. Two saddles and a rifle were apparently confiscated. The third house visited that night was owned by James Harris. In addition to his wife and young child, Harris had three other men sleeping there. Only one of them, William Sherman, was executed. Weapons, a saddle, and a horse were confiscated from the house. While members of the rifle company, including four of Brown's sons, asserted that their Captain did not commit any of the actual murders himself, he was the undisputed leader and made the decisions as to who should be spared.

The combination of the fall of Lawrence and the Pottawatomie Creek killings caused southeastern Kansas to erupt into guerilla warfare."

>>>None of these people were slave owners<<<.

He killed and robbed their homes because of their "party" affiliation.

He was fortunate to have been captured by Lee, a real man, with impeccable integrity and honor.

Virtues very alien to John Brown.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:13 | 2162051 JPM Hater001
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I have always believed the Civil was was a moral victory but a constitution travesty.

We never did really recover.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:37 | 2162477 V in PA
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Agreed. And the 17th Amendment, calling for the popular election of Senator's, was the final blow to States Rights.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:40 | 2164204 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Worse, the 17th Amendment was the death knell for our constitutional republic and the beginning of "democracy".

The good news is the 17th Amendment was not constitutionally ratified and should be disregarded by the states (if they had any balls).

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:14 | 2162665 Breaker
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I agree. The south was right about federalism and states rights. And terribly wrong on slavery. The result was, thus, both a victory over an evil and a tragedy for our form of government.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:57 | 2162836 Monday1929
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If you could look more favorably at slavery, you will get more up votes here. Time to stop reading the comments. Durden, does it concern you that most of your readers seem to be racist assholes?

It IS nice to have bigots on the other side of my trades, they tend to be wrong about so much.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:28 | 2164167 nmewn
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Let me're a fifth grade history teacher in the Atlanta school system.

How is that new testing program working out after you were caught erasing students incorrect answers and filling in the right answers?

Did it make you feel good that you robbed predominately black kids...for years on end...of a proper primary education?

The soft bigotry of low expectations certainly shines through with this feigned high brow little diddy of yours.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:15 | 2162065 xela2200
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And with that said. He went to his plantation to do the traditional whipping of his Negroes.

Sorry, it is hard to take seriously a post that compares a leader that is trying to free people to one that wanted to preserve a slavery system.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:18 | 2162687 Roger O. Thornhill
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I'll just leave you with a couple "Psycho Abe" Lincoln quotes you will not have learned in public school:

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

"I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man."

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:12 | 2164125 Got_Nukes
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Reference please.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 21:10 | 2164290 Roger O. Thornhill
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The first quote is from a letter dated August 22, 1862 to Horace Greeley in response to an editorial on abolition.

The second quote is from the Lincoln-Douglas debates - Debate at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858

If you study the history you'll see that no one but "Psycho Abe" really wanted to settle this with bloodshed. Most countries figured out how to end slavery without a war.

New York State still had slaves until 1827 (although some would say, anyone living there currently under their tax code is still a slave!). The North themselves had only recently finished working out slavery - yet Abe wanted his war.

"Psycho Abe" has the blood on his hands for at least 618,000 Americans who died in the Civil War - some say it topped 700,000. So we honor a lunatic who was directly culpable in the deaths of between half-a-million to three-quarters of a million people. The only reason he is a saint is because he was "martyred" at the end of the war - otherwise I think most people would easily consider him the most evil of all presidents for all the bloodshed he caused. Unless you like seeing people die - then maybe he is a saint to you.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:31 | 2162155 Ag Star
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I didn't know that Americans still studied history.  You must me a real old-timer, like me.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:31 | 2162741 LasVegasDave
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Big Ups, a beautiful speach.

The civil war wasnt about slavery, anymore than Iraq was about WMD.

There will be another secession movement within the next ten years led by the productive liberty loving people looking to rid themselves of the dependant political class and their parasites.

Dollar demise, then secession movement.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:03 | 2164104 falak pema
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can I have my old cotton plantation back?

The first slaves left Africa in 1503 and landed in Hispanolia, biggest sugar cane plantation of the world it became,

thanks to black slaves. In all 15 million came to the Americas from good ole uprooted Africa, a trifle, a drop in the Ocean. Nothing to write home about.

Much better to make a beautiful speech about inherent rights of FREEDOM, not theirs, ours!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:41 | 2164207 nmewn
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Before we (or anyone) get's the idea that this "peculiar institution" (slavery) was unique to America or Britain or Spain or Portugal ad nauseum...

Perhaps we should look at the other coast of Africa and it's interior as well. The arabs were in it for a profit just like everyone else back then.

While I know this goes against the "conventional wisdom" of the brainwashed masses...its very much true.

And it continues to this day ;-)

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 12:49 | 2165218 falak pema
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yep, but along the road, the greeks invented civilization. So I look at life through the lens of Renaissance and Enlightenment.

And so should you as your roots are the same as mine. The French Revolution abolished slavery in 1793, so we knew that was the wrong route, incompatible with human progress.

Of course, Man's hubris and power play, Bonaparte as first council in person, re-established it in 1802, as he toyed with the idea of a Super American colony including Hispaniola and Louisiana purchase from Spain. A grand scheme that didn't materialise as he lacked naval fire power to match British EMpire. He sold Louisiana to Jefferson's USA, but he kept the slavery status until it was revoked in 1848 during next French Revolution. 

Its a bitch this fight forever ongoing between value systems and power systems. We have to know what our priorities are.

I ALWAYS believed that the USA was built to serve an IDEAL by the founding fathers. An Ideal...not greed.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:42 | 2161876 TruthInSunshine
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Anyone who realizes the Ponzi Circus for what it is, which is stetching the already baked-in ridculousness of a Ponzi Circus by its own hilarious standards (i.e. anyone with an IQ above 95), has got to love the way Farage mocks it in his over-the-top way. A laughable fraud and scam deserves such treatment (I'm glad Farage doesn't 'get all' technical and emotionally involved in pointing out the inherent and unworkable defects in the Eurozone experiment).

By my very quick and dirty math, Greek currently owes 3.9% of PIIGS debt, and it will require between 350 to 550 billion to keep Greece functioning as part of the Eurozone for the next 1 1/2 to 2 years, so it should take approximately 6 to 12 trillion € to keep the whole of PIIGS functioning as part of the Eurozone for same time period (without fixing the core defects that will require far more to be spent beyond anything approximating a 2 year time frame).


And here's your LOL-Daily Fed Speak of the day* (*sponsored by Brawndo; Brawndo's got what plants craves - electrolytes!), which is provided today by Mssr Fisher of all people:

Fed's Fisher says in favour of breaking up the 5 largest US banks, they are too big to fail

"In my view, there is only one fail-safe way to deal with too big to fail. I believe that too-big-to-fail banks are too dangerous to permit," Fisher said, speaking before the Columbia Business School in New York.

"By seeking to postpone the comeuppance of investors, lenders and bank managers who made imprudent decisions, we incur the wrath of ordinary citizens and smaller entities that resent this favorable treatment, and we plant the seeds of social unrest," said Fisher.

"We also impede the ability of the market to clear or, to ... allow the marketplace to distinguish freely those who should stand and those who should fall." Fisher did not discuss central bank policy.


Link:    Fed's Fisher Urges Breaking Up 'Too Big to Fail'

Link:    Fed's Fisher says in favour of breaking up the 5 largest US banks, they are too big to fail


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:19 | 2162088 Augustus
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That is what always irked me about the TARP / TALP program.  While I agree that it needed to be done to stop the bank run, they took all of the toxic institutions and added them to the largest and most dangerous banks.  It simply made them more dangerous if one failed.  It was an opportunity lost to get some of this Fisher recommendation implemented.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:00 | 2161636 Mary Wilbur
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Not only men. Nigel Farage is a rare example of honesty in a world of spin and bullshit.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:39 | 2161897 redpill
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Can we steal him?  Paul/Farage 2012!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:17 | 2162077 xela2200
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Are you INSANE? They will get killed within a year. No no, we need to spread them around, so they are harder to get.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:21 | 2164144 Harbanger
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Farage said in a recent speech "if you rob people of their identity, rob them of their democracy, then then all they are left with is Nationalism and violence."  Nationalism?  That and the existing Euro Socialist Gov. leads to Fascism, No? How about the big European Socialist Govts are a failure and couldn't exist without the ponzi fiat game.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:56 | 2163113 Raging Debate
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Well said. Nigel Farage is a modern day Aristotle.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 19:57 | 2164085 falak pema
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mary mary quite contrary, how does your Farage grow?

With silver bells and cockle shells,

and pretty maids all in a row. 

My God does he blow, this constant gardener, 

This honourable tinker, tailor, soldier, spy.

Rich man poor man, everybody's bogey man

You're my one and only man; my Nigel Farage

Beacon of hope in a sea of media porridge.

Nay a Daniel come to judgement at Nuremberg.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:44 | 2164214 Silver Bug
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Farage is one of the true freedom fighters left out there. Amazing person.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:09 | 2161700 Colonial Intent
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50 Up arrows for a fuggin Nazi Wannabe!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The BNP supported his candidacy at the Bromley by-election in England.

BNP = British National-Socialist Party.

Do some research before you "Heart" him, Please.

Last post, I'm off for a lie down before me ticker gives out again!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:20 | 2161749 toothpicker
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Did you even listen to what he said? Fool

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:34 | 2162169 boiltherich
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That would be like tarring Ron Paul because of some of the nut bags that support him, including some of the worst right wing dirtbags in the country. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:52 | 2162241 Colonial Intent
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If one ot those nutbas was another candidate in an election who didnt run so farage could win then yes, ron paul didnt do that and he won the last primary, 3% win for romney my arse!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:21 | 2161765 BigJim
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Oh No! The BNP likes him! Therefore he MUST be a nazi!

What a moron you are. Yeah, off you go, go have a lie down. Make sure it's face downwards and your ass is nice and high so your statist masters can have their way with you.

And don't forget to lick their hands in gratitude afterwards.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:52 | 2161953 Colonial Intent
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Do some research, listen to his speeches, come back with a clue.

I think they may have my file on record somewhere in a UK state records dept and the word statist is definitely not in there.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:53 | 2162249 Shitters_Full
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Sticking around to retort for an hour is a funny way of having a lie down.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:08 | 2162331 Colonial Intent
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I know, but this is better therapy........

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:26 | 2161805 _underscore
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That's unfair. The BNP, (now re-born as the the EDF, I believe) ) happen to support his extremely euro-sceptic stance - does that make any other euro-sceptic (of which there are many throughout all political & social strata)

a a nazi too?  Of course not.   Neither has Mr Farage ever espoused any views. of which I'm aware,  that could remotely be called nazi.

Perhaps he isn't liked for his party's (UKIP) views on immigration - but even those views are fairly mainstream (and implemented) in many EU states currently of the most liberal/left kind.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:54 | 2161960 Colonial Intent
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Ok am guilty of passionate debate on the subject but I am not misrepresenting his views, true he would be more at home in mussolini's cabinet than hitlers but the comparison stands.



Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:05 | 2162012 Coke and Hookers
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"Ok am guilty of passionate debate"

You just called him a nazi without any arguments. You attacked him personally by attaching a label on him. And since you seem to think that's 'debate', I'm going to give you a label too: You are a moron.

Call me 'passionate' - but fuck you.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:53 | 2162250 Arthor Bearing
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The standards of debate sure have fallen! Identity politics and label-schilling witch hunts have replaced ideas arguments and evidence.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:07 | 2162321 Colonial Intent
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Idea - Never elect a nationalist.

Argument - Hitler, mussolini, pol pot and mao were all nationalists.

Evidence - History.


Just sayin.....

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:30 | 2162738 Beard of Zeus
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Nationalism is the politics of the future.

It's coming back.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:30 | 2163266 Random_Robert
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...And that's why Nationalism, like all other forms of politics, is fucking stupid.

No human being has any more valid claim to any part of this planet than any other, and yet the principle of private property must be respected...

If you've ever crossed a national border by land, then surely you must have noticed that the same plants grow on both sides, and the same wild animals... the plants and animals know no national boundries.

Nationalism, racism and religion are all just tribalism, plain and simple.

The final human war is being fought between those who know no tribal allegiance (save their humanity), and those who favor any/all current flavors of tribal allegiance (whether national, racial,  or religious)...

... it is a war of information. 






Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:45 | 2164216 Harbanger
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In our bankrupt information age, there are only 2 choices left for us:

Hard Liberty or Easy Tyranny.

simple enough?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:13 | 2164128 BliptoP3
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even more importantly, they were all progressive socialists, as well as were Mao and Stalin.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 06:37 | 2168833 Colonial Intent
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Errr, exactly how was stalin or mao progressive, they were regressive in their use of force to retain control in their political and social systems.

Capitalism and communism are both faith-based systems that demand absolute loyalty.

Krugman and castro as examples.


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:18 | 2164138 koperniuk666
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you're a cunt. and you're gonna burn when we find you

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 06:33 | 2168830 Colonial Intent
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Bring it on:-)

We have people like you in the UK too, we call them "weekend warriors"

Am a cock not a cunt, sorry if the avatar misled you.

Do you have anything other than insults and threats to offer?

Really? no advice about gold, guns or god?

I'm disappointed in your lack of articulation on this subject.

Hugs XXX

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:58 | 2162276 Colonial Intent
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He may be more SA than SS but the comparison stands, watch more of  his speeches and then tell me hes not got nazi sympathies.

The guy is a nationalist who is funded mostly by donations from the square mile because he supports de-regulation of finance laws.

Just Sayin............


Oh and thanks for repealing glass-stegall that really helped the world economy didnt it.

Sarc off.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:00 | 2161985 dracos_ghost
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At least it's not the Judean People's Front...

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:43 | 2162201 Ghordius
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fuck off! only the People's Front of Judea has a rightful claim against the Romans!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:06 | 2162320 Shitters_Full
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Wed, 02/15/2012 - 14:14 | 2162660 Elliott Eldrich
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Say, whatever happened to the popular front?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:49 | 2163361 Joe Sixpack
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They are not too popular (PINO).

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:46 | 2161933 LoneStarHog
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Lie down with your feet raised so that you get some blood to that dead brain!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:18 | 2162090 Vince Clortho
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The whole frigging planet is being controlled and manipulated by a Facist Central Bank Cartel, and you are concerned about a guy who spoke out about a portion of this farce, because the BNP endorsed him?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:53 | 2162244 Colonial Intent
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Ok, perspective regained.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:06 | 2162315 linrom
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I must say that  I find your postings rather refreshing compared to the standard 'I know the system is crooked, so let's  profit by buying gold' and become rich--. screw everybody else."

But I am puzzled by your reply, although I suspect that you might be right.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:24 | 2162412 Chumly
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it appears everyone has seen through your BS strawman argument

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:12 | 2161715 slaughterer
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Can we get Farage in D.C.?  Would love to see him do these rants on C-Span about the US gov.  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:37 | 2162175 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Well, maybe Farage can get a H-1b specialty occupation visa for being a perceptive and  articulate politician.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:17 | 2161738 kaiten
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Well, If you <heart> Nigel Farage, then you need you head examined, unless you´re looking for a clown, of course.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:55 | 2161967 slaughterer
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OT: but GS just reported they closed their long EUR/USD position.  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:25 | 2162123 Matt
Wed, 02/15/2012 - 11:58 | 2161976 ilion
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I wonder how would Eurozone look like if Angel Farage would lead it? The guys speaks a lot of sense. 5 points from me.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:14 | 2162021 Ghordius
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there is this notion among US readers that because the interests of the FED, the banking cartel and US political parties are so well, let's say aligned, the same holds true in Europe. Well, this is not so.

Nigel Farage's message is simple and clear - until you deconstruct it:

- "Greece is not ... democratic" and "not elected" - he fails to mention that the three parties currently supporting Papademos' government were elected and that recent polls show that the Greek electorate supports this coalition by 60%. (It's a parliamentary democracy, for Pete's sake, it's like saying that the US Supreme Court is not elected - well, no, it's not elected because it's constitutionally appointed by one branch and confirmed by another). No, Nigel, Greeks have the same "unelected" government as UK's coalition-based Cameron Cabinet. Are you catering again for the ignorant, eh?

Liked or not, the elected parliament of Greece represents it's people and any government installed by them is constitutional until recalled by the same parliament. An elected Member of Parliament should respect this - he does not.

- "Greece should ... exit the Eurozone/get rid of the EUR" - he fails to mention that a majority of Greeks want to keep the EUR (while a majority of Germans want them to exit). Of course, his British electorate just cheers.

- "Greece should default" - he fails to separate the default/restructuring issue from the EUR issue, here, IMHO, he fails the Greeks. Now, if he would champion a constructive way for Greece to default, I would <heart> him too.

I know that few want to read this here: Nigel Farage caters to his constituency of strongly anti-eurowhatever "my country, right or wrong" British citizens while making sure that the interests of the banks of the City of London are cared for. Which are aligned with the interests of the Bank of England and the UK politics - here the similarity with the US holds true.

I have not researched though if colonial intent is right with his claim that the British "Nazi" party support him, though it would be quite funny if yes. And the claims that someone tried to kill him are just ridicolous.

I just hope for him that he is successful in his aim to upgrade his MP seat from the EU to the British Parliament.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:20 | 2162097 Seb
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I also do not understand how a return to Drachmas would help Greece and the Greek people. Such a move would probably be instantly followed by hyperinflation and annihilation of savings.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 12:48 | 2162147 Ghordius
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The Greek majority holds the same opinion as you

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:23 | 2162411 agent default
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Unless you  are living in Greece I cannot see how you can be certain of that.  All facts point to the Euro being too much for Greece and the EU periphery to handle.  As far as inflation is concerned I hope the Greeks keep some gold stashed somewhere.  I if you put all your faith in paper money you will  get screwed eventually.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 18:45 | 2163871 Matt
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why hyperinflation? If they keep spending more than they take in taxes, then they would have to print more drachmas, so they will have inflation whenever they overspend.

The big benefits would be that their exports will be more affordable for buyers in other countries, and going on vacation in Greece will be even less expensive; tourism supposedly is the only industry that has been doing well and actually growing lately.

Imports will be more expensive if they switch to Drachmas that are worth less than Euros, particularly oil.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 22:50 | 2164591 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"The big benefits would be that their exports will be more affordable for buyers in other countries"

OUZO will be more affordable!

Right on!

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 06:31 | 2165200 Seb
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"why hyperinflation? If they keep spending more than they take in taxes, then they would have to print more drachmas, so they will have inflation whenever they overspend."

When you start this cycle, it is extremely difficult to stop it, especially in an economy which consumes more than it can produce (more than it can afford).

I lived through a period of very high inflation in my country (not quite hyperinflation). In 2005 they denominated the currency by "cutting" four zeroes. At that time I did not have any idea about the true cause (Fiat money - then I did not even known about the concept). Other currencies seemed stable in comparison (USD and Deutsche Marks where the main currencies used for savings). Gold transactions where still illegal until a few years ago for regular people (except buying wedding rings and jewellery). Border crossing into or out of the country with gold on person is still a grey area and the gold may be confiscated if caught and you do not have an import/export permit. The country name is Romania (Eastern Europe) - member of the European Union since 2004.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:12 | 2162344 linrom
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Thanks for clarifying this.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:31 | 2162446 EmileLargo
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Lib/Lab fuckwits abound. Somehow natural selection seems incapable of weeding the fuckwits from the population.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 13:34 | 2162457 GeneMarchbanks
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Totally. I can't believe you're still around either.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:09 | 2162904 EmileLargo
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Go back to reading the Guardian. Don't waste your time here.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 18:47 | 2163884 Matt
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YAY for Cyber Balkanization! No dissenting views! Only people who think like me should post here!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 20:04 | 2164111 AUD
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Yeah, & why the fuck is Farage with his anti euro stance a member of the European parliament?

Maybe because he's a two bit swindler? He's the Bank of England's man no doubt.

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 07:20 | 2165211 Ghordius
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Nigel Farage has been granted the Freedom of the City of London, by the way.

The humorous side: this gives him the right to drive sheeps and cattle over the London Bridge, to carry a naked sword in public, to be hanged with a silken rope, or that if the City of London Police (a corporate police force in the medieval sense) finds him drunk and incapable, they will bundle him into a taxi and send him home rather than throw him into a cell.


The less humorous side: The City of London - the global master of debt and associated paper, the historic habitat of the Rothschilds of gunboat policy fame, the Square Mile of the Freedom of the Global Banking Cartel, the extra-national entity/corporation that keeps a Minder in the British Parliament to uphold their Freedom from the laws of the UK, the Nexus of Power that wishes the Greeks to have the Drachma because this would increase their power of churn, the group that convinced the British Government to sell gold at the lowest prices, the World Hyper-Hypotecation Central where every global bank needs to have a branch for the business outlawed everywhere else, the sworn enemy of the European Community, the European Central Bank and all things starting with Euro-, sees him as their champion.


Are you sure Nigel Farage is the European Version of Ron Paul? Would Dr. Paul accept a prize from the "Friends of the FED and Wall Street" and uphold their corporate rights?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:26 | 2161481 Yellowhoard
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Fuck yeah!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 10:26 | 2161487 Bazinga
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I third that!

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