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Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:05 | 1949701 Dave
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It didn't rouse anyone last time. What's different now?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:46 | 1949796 seek
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One of RP's strongest bases is military, and that was not true for the last victim. I think there would be a considerably larger shitstorm triggerred by an assasination, though you wouldn't see it covered on TV.

If RP gets the nod, he should pick his running mate very carefully. And definitely not allow it to be anyone the party suggests to him.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:03 | 1949514 Zgangsta
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There are plenty of new candidates that could come in if Newt and Mitt fail.  Palin, Buchanan...hell, even Dan Quayle could test the waters.  All of them would be infinitely more electable by the sheeple than Ron Paul.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:58 | 1949687 wisefool
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Too late in the cycle. Not possible to get on the ballots me thinks.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:25 | 1949749 Raynja
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huntsman still has to make his push to the front of the line

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:52 | 1949809 wisefool
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Agree. Although lately they (MSM) have been fluffing Santorum, so he is probably going to get his bump first.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 03:49 | 1950113 DollarMenu
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Santorum 1. The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex. 2. Senator Rick Santorum.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:45 | 1950714 TwiceBitten
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Just spewed hot coffee all over my new monitor...thanks for the laugh

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:10 | 1949711 akak
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If Dr. Paul did manage to get past all of that and be elected president, the Federal Reserve would put a bullet in his head, just like the last guy to challenge them.

There never was any "last guy" who challenged the Fed --- that tripe about Kennedy, silver certificates and US Notes is nothing but an absurd urban legend of recent invention that has only spread due to the internet, and has NO basis in any real monetary history whatsoever; this idea that Kennedy "took on the Fed" simply reflects a gross misunderstanding and ignorance of mundane monetary policies and formalities of the 1960s, and has no foundation in fact.  Please look into the subject further.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:43 | 1949787 wisefool
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Also, I think Ron Pauls discussion of the gold standard is not because he disagrees with the actions taken Nixon shock, just the profligate spending that was the debilatating side effect of amputating the limb such that the foriegn dollar holders could not gangreen the USAs gold.

it is an excellent metaphor for the current Nixon shock which is Europe (1st world) using US dollars (IMF) to recapitalize their banks.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:54 | 1949475 kridkrid
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I first voted for RP for president in 1988 when he ran as a Libertarian.  I wrote him in in 2008 when I couldn't stomach the candidate that the Libertarians ran... but I'm not so sure I want him as president now... and if he ends ups there, I think it will only be BECAUSE that's what the TPTB want.  The crash will "happen on his watch", I fear. 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:10 | 1949540 Temporalist
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I've heard that tripe before and you know what...he's prepared for it.  He's been speaking out against the oligarchy for his whole career if you think it matters now you're mistaken.

And if you're going to say they'll blame it on him in two years...well Obama's gotten a pass for 3 already and things are still getting worse. 

Anyone that supports him has already put up with the megapropaganda machine so what will more years mean to them?  Nothing.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:14 | 1949552 samsara
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I too have read him, 'wrote him in' in 2008,  But It doesn't matter now if he wins.   We(and everybody) is going to crash.   Peak Oil Kids  Nothing is going to stop that. But It would be REALLLLL important for him to run now though.    What Ron Paul has done is education.   His speeches, his articles,  has had a big effect on the people that will be in whatever gov comes along next.  

His campaign would be one of Forcing The Topics.   They would HAVE to be carried by the MSM (however slanted they will be presented with).   His words is effecting people.

That is what Ron Paul has become.  Not that he can solve 'IT"   But he is informing millions of what 'IT' is.    And people are listening to different voices for the first time in over a decade.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:36 | 1949596 GoodMorningMr.V...
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 The crash is going to happen no matter what. The only thing of any significance at this point is who is at the helm during the crash to formulate the way forward. You are either going to enjoy the freedom from the  death of corrupt and parasitical  financial system, resulting in decentralization of money and  power, and return of the Constitution from Exhile. 


Or a One world currency, forever centralizing and cementing the power of the financial elite in a  New World Order of hellish proportions far worse than the corrupt system that collapsed.


The system is going to collaspe. The system SHOULD collaspe.

And the only President of any significance in the next 100 years is the one who is in office during that collaspe and gets to decide what replaces it. 

I hope we have someone like Ron Paul in the Presidency  to show the people the way forward when the inevitable collapse happens.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:46 | 1949650 kridkrid
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I agree with you... and I figured my post might be misunderstood.  I know we are going to collapse.  And I agree... we SHOULD.  there is NO SOLUTION short of collapse.  My fear (and my point)... RP being elected president could be nothing other than him being set up as the Fall guy.  Of course our banking oligarchs know what the end game of our monetary system is.  Our credit/debt monetary system requires debt to increase until such a point when the economy can no longer support the interest on the debt... then we get collapse.  But they will work tirelessly to propagandize against this reality as they want to control what comes next.  We can't know the truth.  The Kyle Bass video from a couple fo days ago... he basically says that if we do what need to do, the person who is at the helm becomes a persona non grata.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:12 | 1949716 GoodMorningMr.V...
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If the President does what we need to do before the collapse, yes for a time he will become a persona non grata. The banking oligarch’s impressive propaganda machine will assault him 24/7. It will be painful transition and the people wouldn’t understand why we are switching when things doesn’t s seem that bad or bad enough.  


If he does what's needed to be done to prevent going through another 100 year cycle of credit explosion based on a debt monetary system during or after the collapse, he will be fine.

Because the whole thing dies. The propaganda, the media control apparatus is dead on the vine. They don't pay the apparatus in silver, gold Pmetals. The huge corporations that are apart aren't going to be able to ween themselves off of short/long-term debt financing and switch entirely cash/gold reserves.  Even if CNN had large amounts of cash on their balance sheets they require debt based finance for their day to day operations they are too big and dependent at this point to change.  

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:48 | 1949654 Goldtoothchimp09
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Paul today is like Volker was -- the medicine this country needs!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:57 | 1949685 kridkrid
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the medicine here, however, isn't a rough recession... the medicine here will result in a deflationary depression.... which is coming either way... but Paul can't "solve" anything. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:08 | 1949707 Goldtoothchimp09
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I agree - deflation is the bad tasting medicine -- it might suck ... but oh well

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:20 | 1949737 kridkrid
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I hear ya... I just don't know if everyone is prepared for the thing for which they are advocating.  There is more deleveraging to do this time around... and we currently have 46 million on foodstamps.  This deflationary depression is going to suck a lot worse than the last one.  Oh... and WWIII.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:19 | 1949984 Iwanttoknow
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Volcker was a Rockefellar frontman.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 01:28 | 1949911 Blano
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Good Lord, the anti-MCB.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:37 | 1949411 non_anon
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the Amerikan way

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:40 | 1949418 bob_dabolina
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My links got screwed up



Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:57 | 1949487 SwingForce
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Nevermind the furthermore, the plea is self-defense.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:40 | 1949421 johnnymustardseed
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And then there was two..... and the Newt is a criminal, so Paul will be the man

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:50 | 1949456 DionysusDevotee
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Because criminals never get elected to public office? Wha?

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:51 | 1949665 Vlad Tepid
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Morally criminal for sure.  If cheating on a cancer-stricken spouse was more than Dems could handle in John Edwards, it will only take a slight nudge for the former Moral Majority to bounce out that amphibian.  I, frankly, and shocked his legs have carried him this far in the campaign.  Unless he has a real solid team, I see him having a "team-building" problem like Bachmann, and just being forced out due to logistics.  I mean, who's donating to this guy?  Oh well, I've been wrong before.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 12:30 | 1951092 hangemhigh
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TO:   Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:51 | 1949665 Vlad Tepid

"Unless he has a real solid team, I see him having a "team-building" problem like Bachmann, and just being forced out due to logistics.  I mean, who's donating to this guy?  Oh well, I've been wrong before."

  to be a legitimate candidate a strong showing or victory is need in either IA or NH.  the real race for the gop nomination, though, is run in south carolina, georgia and florida.   the original gangster primed to make that move was rick perry.  he proved, however, to be even more dyslexic than dubya and failed the basic promo/branding test of the debates....the newter is a georgian who understands the republican base, will tell them what they want to hear and enthusiastically call out the magic underwear of that damn yankee mitt

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:40 | 1949424 Caviar Emptor
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GINGRICH: But let me make a deeper point. There's a core thing that's wrong with this whole city. You said earlier that it would take too long to open up American oil. We defeated Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan in three years and eight months because we thought we were serious.

If we were serious, we would open up enough oil fields in the next year that the price of oil worldwide would collapse. Now, that's what we would do if we were a serious country. If we were serious...

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:54 | 1949476 TheAkashicRecord
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//If we were serious, we would open up enough oil fields in the next year that the price of oil worldwide would collapse.//

The people who think this guy is smart confuse me.  

[The U.S. would have to increase field production by more than double current production to become oil independent by increasing domestic production to 14.8 Mbopd. Even peak production in 1970 of 10,000 bopd would only meet 68% of current crude oil consumption. To bring about a collapse in world oil prices, as Mr. Gingrich suggests, would mean increasing U.S. production by substantially more than this. 

Maximum daily production from Prudhoe Bay Field, the largest in the United States, was 2.0 million bopd in 1988 (http://www.aspo-usa.com/archives/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&…). Mr. Gingrich suggests that we can find more than six additional Prudhoe Bay-sized fields in one year. Prudhoe Bay was discovered in 1968, did not begin production for 11 years, and did not reach peak production until 20 years after its discovery. But Mr. Gingrich thinks that there are many Prudhoe Bay fields waiting to be found that can be at explored, developed and brought to peak production in one year. 

It is difficult to imagine that Mr. Gingrich could be unaware of these fundamental facts and probabilities. If so, he must be placed in a lower category than Rick Perry and Herman Cain, who simply could not remember what they presumably knew. The only other possibility is that he knows the reality of oil supply and is misleading to the American people in order to gain support for a positive “can do” message. Either way, it is clear that Mr. Gingrich does not have a realistic understanding of the oil exploration and production business.]

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:22 | 1949561 Caviar Emptor
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Yup. You say those things when you want the backing of the oil-industrial complex. All we ever do is burn it faster if the price even drops a penny, feeding the vicious cycle. And we are totally foreign oil-dependant despite having had two presidents who made their money in big oil (Bush family values). But we tax-subsidize them to drill so that we can pay taxes again at the pump. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:34 | 1949768 Dave
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Well, taxes are put there by politicians not oil companies. May I remind you oil is bid for on the COMEX like other commodities. Just so you know, as of 2 Dec. there are 1,993 rigs drilling in the US. I run one of them. Can't say which one or for whom because I'll get fired. But, it's like this. Average cost to drill and complete one of our wells on land is +/- $20 million. This does not include the infrastructure necessary for production. Currently we are at almost 100% rig utlization. Imports remain the same. So, tell me how the hell you think we're going to reduce them that quickly? You don't know jack shit about this business.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:46 | 1949794 Troll Magnet
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i think paul krugman said something along the line of..."newt is what smart people look/sound like to stupid people." well, krugman sure got that one right!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 05:08 | 1950198 Judge Holden
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Exactly.  The people who fail to understand this amaze me.  If you want to crash the price, slap a massive tarrif on imports and incentivize car companies to build NG and electric cars.  A price crash will not come from expanding the supply of OIL, there's way too much demand.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:42 | 1949428 Pancho Villa
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You wouldn't expect a slick guy like Romney to willingly leave any emails lying around, would you?


I hate Romney because he is bought and paid for by the bankers. But they take care of their own, so they (and the news media that they control) will do their best to shield him from any damage that embarassing emails might cause.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:17 | 1949560 I am a Man I am...
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i think you mean never leave a paper trail and get busted removing the paper trail that you left

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:43 | 1949431 oogs66
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What comes after depression? I hope it's anger because this is garbage!!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:44 | 1949432 baby_BLYTHE
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The GOP is in the process of total extinction. HW Bush, Dole, George W, McCain, Gingrich, Romney? Come on now, If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination not only will the GOP fail as a political party (peaking during the Goldwater era) but the economy will collapse into complete ruin where the country will be forced into discussion of what the role of government should be going forward. You really want a fascist like Obama, Romney, Gingrich or Hillary in charge during this pivatol turning point in this Constitutional Republic's most trying financial crisis? Didn't think so. Ron Paul 2012 or bust, bitchez!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:45 | 1949438 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The GOP wouldn't save the economy.  Ron Paul might, but it won't have anything to do with the GOP.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:50 | 1949663 Goldtoothchimp09
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They are all shape shifting reptiles except Ron Paul ... unless he's just the sneakiest ?!

Ron Paul 2012!! (unless he's the sneakiest reptile)

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:46 | 1949798 malalingua
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Don't worry, he's not.  I know we are all so jaded with the political process but Ron Paul is the real deal, you have 30yrs of him saying the same things, he hasn't changed his message, we have.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 01:09 | 1949860 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Can you state the obvious please.  I missed it the first time.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 01:13 | 1949871 malalingua
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ah, great comedic timing. 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 01:26 | 1949902 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I try

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:59 | 1949692 dolph9
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This "Ron Paul is the second coming of Jesus" stuff needs to stop.  Nothing will save the Titanic.

Headed for the lifeboats, bitchez!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 01:01 | 1949832 wisefool
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Sure, but I rather have an ex-mil medical doctor (Cottle) in charge of the galatica fleet than the secretary of education.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:43 | 1949433 Clay Hill
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Taxachussetts has no "Sunshine" law?

Every time Mittnochio speaks, I could swear I see the strings moving. Maybe we'll get to see who pulls them.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:59 | 1949499 James T. Kirk
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He reminds me of an aged "Ken" doll, minus the tan. The strings are a nice addition to my mental image.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:18 | 1949723 akak
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Your Ken doll/Romney analogy is further bolstered by the fact that neither one has balls ... or a soul ... or a brain.

Come to think of it, both are just playthings of much larger forces, as well.
And both have perfect plastic hair.

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