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Fears Of Iran Nuclear Weaponizing Lead To Brent Break Out

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What is today's most underreported news of the day, and the reason Brent is breaking out, is that according to WaPo, IAEA is about to report that Iran is on the verge of becoming a nuclear state: needless to say this is just the green light all of its enemies need to launch a pre-emptive strike (not to mention, GDP-boosting). Below is some must read commentary from Emad Mostaque of Religare Capital Markets on what this IAEA finding will mean for the region, for the world and for what really matters: capital markets.

The IAEA report on Iranian weaponization is due to come out earlier than expected on Nov 9th. We maintain our belief that this report is likely to state that Iran close to becoming a full nuclear power and we look at the near term implications in this note.

  • Nothing new: The report is unlikely to contain much new information, but rather to “connect-the-dots” in line with increasing US/Israeli influence over the IAEA. It is very difficult to prove weaponization absent a mushroom cloud.
  • Breaking out: We believe that Iran does not intend to create nuclear weapons but are looking to reach “breakout” potential to act as a deterrent. We believe this is 6-12 months away, shifting the balance of power significantly. Iran will continue with its program regardless of international sanctions or pressure.
  • Oil support, sanctions and attacks: Oil should get more support and take the Brent-WTI spread back toward $20 given the broken nature of that market. The first move may be to sanction the Central Bank of Iran, cutting oil exports and dividend repatriation (negative for MTN and the like). Russia and China will push back on this toward the end of the month, increasing the probability of an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities late November/December, which we upgraded to 40% a month ago.

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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:17 | 1853025 GeneMarchbanks
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Nice... Decoy time-out.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:20 | 1853044 redpill
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This is ridiculous, Iran isn't going to nuke anyone even if they get a bomb.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:22 | 1853049 qussl3
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Pretty sure they would shove a nuke up the zionists' butts if they could without fear of reprisal.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:25 | 1853057 MillionDollarBonus_
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This is exactly why the election of a weak presidential candidate like Ron Paul would be disastrous for America's national security. We need STRONG leaders like Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, who stand firmly behind Americas national defense and will put America first when it comes to dealing with the threat of terror from middle eastern countries. Freedom is rare, and many countries despise and envy our liberty in here the US. And it's not just up to politicians to look out for our safety - EVERY American needs to do their part to fight terrorism by staying alert and aware of suspicious activity at home.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:35 | 1853079 Pladizow
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Should we report your outlandish sarcasm?

It may help the junkers!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:37 | 1853135 whstlblwr
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Yes, This is exactly why peace loving candidate like Ron Paul is too dangerous to be elected. He will make sure that threats from war mongers are ignored which will lead us to quiver in fear at Iran who can’t make enough gasoline for own people. We will need to build up underground storage bunkers and buy more guns to protect self against scary terrorist who behind every lamp post. Mitt Romney and Barack Obama who are status quo are safest choice to make sure build up of military industrial complex stays at peak and keeps us safe from our own dark shadows.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:47 | 1853189 sqz
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Leading into US elections next year, we note that all of the main Republican candidates are in favour of military action on Iran, with the possible exception of Cain who may have confused it with China.

All right, I can't help it, I'm starting to like this analyst :)

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:56 | 1853247 SGS
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Funny how a country of 7.5 million can have the worlds 3rd largest stockpile of nuclear weapons but Iran cant even have one.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:32 | 1853412 DosZap
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Not funny when that 7.5 is surrounded by a Billion plus BENT on your total annihilation.

Haven't seen Israel threatening to use them on anyone either.

Much less making a declaration of IRAN must be totally wiped off the planet.

How about you?.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:37 | 1853444 whstlblwr
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Well rather than make it two billion bent on total annihilation why not be proactive for peace instead of war and shrink the haters. The motto that they hate for our freedom is false and everyone but ignorant who watch TV news know it.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:47 | 1853485 Fukushima Sam
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Rose petals let us scatter
And fill the cup with red wine
The firmaments let us shatter
And come with a new design

-- Hafez

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:55 | 1853867 eisley79
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What does a country's population have to do with nuclear weapons?  The smaller you are, the more you need, if they are for defence....and the number will always be proportionate to the size of your enemy and enemies.


Otherwise cold wars become hot wars.  Israel has nukes, so that its enemies know if they ever try to kill all the israelis, the cities the left from to attack, will be glowing nuclear embers when they return.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:25 | 1854238 Cathartes Aura
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and so, by your reasoning, Iran NEEDS to get nukes if it doesn't want its cities to "be glowing embers" from Israeli attacks?


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:43 | 1853480 JW n FL
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Uploaded by on Nov 6, 2011

Through a number of leaks and well-publicized war exercises, the Israeli government has dramatically increased its threats against Iran in the past days

According to a widely circulated if anonymous assessment (presumed to have come directly from high-ranking Israeli officials), the window of opportunity for striking the Iranian nuclear sites this year will close in a matter of weeks, with the coming of the winter.

much of this is clearly posturing, and Israel seems to be playing the bad cop in the American pressure campaign against Iran at the UN Security Council.

If Russia and China could be persuaded that the Israeli government is serious in its threats, they would theoretically become more amenable to tougher sanctions against Iran (something they have so far opposed).

The IAEA report is due to be released next week, and it is rumored to be harshly critical of the Iranian nuclear program. It could - backed up by the American allegations that Iran conspired to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador in Washington - serve as a basis for another round of sanctions.

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November 02, 2011 - Israel has test-fired a ballistic missile capable of reaching Iran, from the central Israeli Palmchamin base, Israeli radio said.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Trita Parsi, the president of the National Iranian American Council, says if Israel decided to go ahead with a strike against Iran, the current political timing is in their favour.

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Iran's nuclear program leading to military action?

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With the IAEA due to reveal the extent of Iran's nuclear capability this week, this archive report offers a sobering insight into the ambitions of an anti-Israel president and the growing threat they pose.

The UN is committed to a policy of sanctions to deal with Iran's nuclear projects, but as this report shows, little has been achieved since 2009."They already have the knowledge to build their own nuclear bomb. Now is the time for decisions", the director of Israeli military intelligence insists.

September 2009


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:48 | 1853519 Reptil
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“The possibility of a military attack against Iran is now closer to being applied than the application of a diplomatic option,”

Peres told the Israel Hayom daily.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:36 | 1854307 CTG_Sweden
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It should be more likely that Israel nukes Iran than that West does the same.


If the West does not nuke Iran themselves they will not get any major problem with parts of the public which may think that their leaders have gone too far. But if Israel does it they can´t blame their leaders for that.


Moreover, it would probably take a lot to revoke European and American free trade agreements with Israel. There are no Muslim owners of big media in the US and Europe. Instead, there are many big media that probably would say that nuking Iran as a preventive measure was legitimate. In the US there is also a voting bloc of Scofield-Bible style (the Scofield Bible represents a different theology compared to old-style Christianity like Catholicism or traditional Lutheran churchs) Christians which represents about 20 % of the electorate which for religious reasons may feel that nuking Iran is perfectly legitimate due to Esther 9:16. In Sweden, that voting bloc represents only about 2-3 % of the population. I once asked one member of a radical, Pentacostalist-style church if he thought that it would be legitimate to nuke Sweden if Sweden was ruled by a guy like Ahmed Rami or Einar Åberg. He said “yeah!”. Even if you and your family would get killed? “Yeah, we would go to heaven if that would happen!”.


But I assume that it would be better for the United States if Israel did not actually nuke Iran but rather maintained a permanent threat to nuke Iran for the next years to come so that the oil price would remain high and the oil market therefore would be able to absorb as much dollars as possible. If the EU makes the smartest move they can in order to solve the debt crisis, namely to require payment in euros for all imported oil and print money like the US, the US will need a higher oil price for the next years to come in order to boost the demand for USD. The EU can also print more with a high oil price, provided that the EU requires that oil should be paid in euros.


However, from a strategic, military point of view it seems to make more sense for Israel and its allies to nuke Pakistan. Let me quote a part of a reader comment I posted yesterday:


“[- - -] Even though I think that it is perhaps more likely that they will attack Pakistan rather than Iran since they already have nukes and since Pakistan would be caught by surprise and since it is less unlikely that domestic, capricious radicals will be able to seize nukes in Pakistan [- - -]”


But perhaps I´m wrong. Perhaps they think that a pre-emptive strike on Iran would be enough to persuade Pakistan to give up its nuclear weapons voluntarily so that no capricious radicals can lay hands on them? But I don´t think that a strike on Iran would deter Islamic radicals from their nuclear ambitions. They probably feel that Allah will help them in some way. Even though I think that is about as unrealistic as the idea that they will get those 72 virgins each if they are martyred, I reckon that is how some Islamic radicals actually are reasoning. So it is perhaps “smarter” to force a moderate Pakistani government, which pose no threat to other countries but perhaps India, to give up the nukes than wait until some radicals seize them.


I also wonder why Iran should wish to develop nukes themselves. Why not buy them from North Korea or perhaps Pakistan? North Korea could certainly use, let say, $20 or $30 billion for a few nukes.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:54 | 1853546 Reptil
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Must see interview with Joe Biden:

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:48 | 1853817 JW n FL
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Just becuase Joe is a "ZIONIST" doesnt make hmi a bad guy! he is just misunderstood, when he says things like that.. it could mean so many different things that are good for the working, production based people of America!

Shalom BITCHEZ!!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:47 | 1853500 the tower
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They could have done severe damage to Israel with conventional weapons too, or biological/chemical weapons. It's all blabla.

When the Iranians have the bomb there will be a better balance between them, maybe peace will break out.


Russia will NOT accept any agression from Israel towards Iran:


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:31 | 1853749 earleflorida
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israel's netanyahu is starting to really piss off 'mossad' big time,... ? 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:54 | 1853542 mick_richfield
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Funny how a country of 7.5 million can have the worlds 3rd largest stockpile of nuclear weapons


Is it still called a "stockpile" if the weapons are pre-deployed?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:52 | 1853848 eisley79
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that's a valid comparison, if you lack all knowledge of history and politics! well done

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:29 | 1853081 nope-1004
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Obama..... strong?!

LMFAO.  Wimper, more like.  Did he end the wars?  Bring troops home?  End Wall Street corruption?  The guy is a loser - and a liar.



Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:30 | 1853086 SeverinSlade
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I'm pretty sure his /sarc was on.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:38 | 1853138 JohnG
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Oh, it is ALWAYS on with MDB.  Subtle....effective.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:46 | 1853188 whstlblwr
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Are you kidding guy has no sense of irony or sarcasm. He's fool.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:16 | 1853684 Bollixed
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His/her sarcasm strikes right at most people's hot buttons perfectly.

Million Dollar Bonehead knows what he/she is doing, alright. The fact that so many people junk MDB must be a source of pride, I'm guessing.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:20 | 1853960 Are you kidding
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Why not?  Isn't it all a game?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:07 | 1853915 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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In that case let me turn off stupid:


Someone left that tag open.  Now we can get back to business without babysiting the n00bs.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:39 | 1853144 bahaar
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He got Osama Bin Laden killed---the only person who had the temerity to attack American mainland, the person everyone else promised to 'get' alive or dead.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:49 | 1853197 Long-John-Silver
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Really? The body is promptly dumped in the ocean and the team that (was reported to have) killed him is killed a few weeks later. There is no evidence available that Osama Bin Laden was actually killed in that operation.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:40 | 1853456 Fukushima Sam
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Or that he was even alive since 2002 or so...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:44 | 1853486 marsdefIAnCe
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Nonsense.  In fact, there is plenty of evidence that he is still alive

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:40 | 1855568 Arthur Borges
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If you google around, you'll find David Frost's interview of Mrs. Benazir Bhutto recorded shortly before her death, where she mentions that Bin Laden had already died.

And Mr. Frost glides gently into his next question as if he hadn't heard a thing.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:36 | 1853439 Joaquin Juarez
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Only person to attack US mainland?  Oh, don't forget the British and that crazy Iranian used car salesman, pothead in Corpus Christi.

"On March 9, 1916, on the orders of Mexican revolutionary leader Francisco "Pancho" Villa, (Colonel) Francisco Beltrán, (Colonel) Candelario Cervantes, (General) Nicolás Fernández, (General) Pablo López and others led five hundred men in an attack against the town of Columbus, NM, which was garrisoned by a detachment of the U.S. 13th Cavalry Regiment.[1] Villa's army burned a part of the town and killed seven or eight soldiers and 10 residents before retreating back into Mexico."

Today, Columbus is without a police force, as they were arrested for smuggling guns to the Zetas.  Our soft underbelly is vulnerable to attack again.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:59 | 1853885 FeralSerf
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Why is it that nobody seems to know that the British attacked the US mainland and burned Washington DC (not necessarily a bad thing)?  The London City bankers have done a marvelous job covering up this bit of history.  Americans' real enemies are there, not in the Middle East.   They lie, they cheat, they steal, and they kill.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:28 | 1855550 Arthur Borges
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Actually, the troops were Canadian, not British. Known as the War of 1812, the only US battlefield victory came after the war was already over. It was the fifth war the US started and lost against Canada.

Relations have been better ever since.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:35 | 1853762 earleflorida
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it's easier to start a war than being a house-maiden,... ask bush 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:35 | 1853113 earleflorida
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exactly what has iran done that creates so much hatred for its so[u]le  sovereignty -

just another ruse by tptb to push up the margins and rape the world -

them arabs are mf's!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:40 | 1853149 john39
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it is a threat to zionism, and therefore must be crushed, no matter the cost in terms of lives or money.  zionists are like locusts, they consume all without thought to consequences.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:54 | 1853234 gina distrusts gov
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They are not behodin to the rothchildes or the imf also they dared to toss out a western installed dictator

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:20 | 1853701 Bollixed
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Yup, TPTB want to see Libya 2.0 with Iran.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:35 | 1853114 ralphcore
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dare you to say that with a straight face!

: /

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:37 | 1853134 Abitdodgie
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Hey MDB who do you work for , we know you are a sock puppet, but who for .When you go home at night do you laugh at what you wrote or do you really belive it.One other thing do you never worry that when the revolution comes , and it is , do you ever think there may be a pice of rope with your name on it for treason.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:43 | 1853170 ralphcore
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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:11 | 1853317 JPM Hater001
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You continue to show your complete lack of understanding.

One bomb is not an offense against the world.  It's a defense against the aggressors.

Surprise...we are the aggressors.

Ron Paul is the only one pointing this out.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:11 | 1854137 rgilliam37
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Ron Paul is the only candidate that is genuine. Talking of national security the greatest threat to our country is the debt. The Fed prints money like its toilet paper which is basically maintaining a decrepit economic system.

Iraq was and is a mistake.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:46 | 1854582 Michael
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Terrorism is a tactic. You can't win a war against a tactic.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 06:34 | 1855812 barkingbill
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god man you write your thoughts like you are the brainwashed posterchild of all that is wrong with israel and america. might makes right. my land right or wrong. war first think later. with militarization and war comes more losses to our freedom and needless death and destruction. iran is no threat. you are the threat. 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:27 | 1853070 Monedas
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The whole Muslim world, in all it's raging impotence, couldn't break out of an Israeli foreskin ! There, I've said ! Monedas 2011 Unofficial Spokeshole for the Jewish Nation

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:34 | 1853084 redpill
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That's the caricature of strength that they project, just like Saddam Hussein didn't have a problem with the world thinking he had WMDs.  He thought it made him more powerful to have that threat of deterrence.

The bottom line is that the land within Israel's territorial borders is holy to Muslims as well, they would never irradiate it beyond use.

We have to get beyond this fear mongering boogeyman bullshit.  The Iranians are not suicidal, not even loony-sounding Ahmadinejad.  We are being led into another war to distract the populace from economic failure and to protect military budgets.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:34 | 1853110 MillionDollarBonus_
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Over 1,375 people died due to attacks by terrorists in 2010. This is a shocking figure, and Ron Paul's lack of concern about this issue demonstrates a fundamental lack of concern for the safety of hard working American citizens.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:44 | 1853122 redpill
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That's nothing compared to how many will ultimately get cancer and die as a result of Fukushima radiation and the Japanese government's lies.

In the coming years, increasingly desperate governments are going to be far more dangerous than radical Muslims.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:45 | 1853179 MarketTruth
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MillionDollarBonus_, So is it ok to you that the USA outright murdered many hundreds of thousands of innocent people under the guise of Taliban/etc in the past 10 years?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:48 | 1853196 redpill
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MDB is a sarcastic troll account, don't take it seriously

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:43 | 1853469 tsx500
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exactly.  he probably gets paid according to how many of us fools respond to his posts.  maybe if we ignore his and other obvious trolls' posts (by not responding !) then he will go elsewhere !   RON PAUL 2012 !

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:45 | 1853495 tahoebumsmith
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Million Dollar shill if you ask me. What about the 40,000 people that were killed in Libya during the humanitarian crusade? Seems to me the humanitarians had a different agenda, the lynching of yet another Leader that wasn't willing to play along with their global ponzi scheme.. 

As the great “democracies” plunder and assassinate, do cast a passing thought to the (UN) Universal Declaration of Human Rights (v) which celebrated its sixtieth anniversary on 10th December 2008, with great fan-fare.
“Article 10: Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
“Article 3: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
“Article 5: No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.”

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:11 | 1853655 JoBob
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"MillionDollarBonus_, So is it ok to you that the USA outright murdered many hundreds of thousands of innocent people under the guise of Taliban/etc in the past 10 years?"

Anyone has to be delusional to believe that number.  Remember that terrorists declared war on us without caring about collateral damage so to make you feel better, yes, it is okay!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:42 | 1853157 Abitdodgie
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In 2010 America killed 1,375 people that it had labled terrorists , but how many Americans died in Amerika from the direct cause of terrorisum , the answer is ZERO

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:52 | 1853846 FeralSerf
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<<. . . the answer is ZERO>>


SWAT teams busting into innocent Americans' homes and killing the occupants IS terrorism  and happened numerous times in 2010.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:42 | 1853160 optimator
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45000 U.S. Citizens died last year in automobile accidents.  Doesn't anyone care about that?  Worse yet, we'll lost around the same amount in auto accidents THIS YEAR again.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:57 | 1853255 sushi
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Seems the real answer to terrorism is just give the Taliban and all the rest of them free Buicks. Much cheaper than military intervention. Less cost per fatality than even the cheapest drone. Plus it brings jobs back to the rust belt.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:17 | 1853353 whstlblwr
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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:43 | 1853478 LongBallsShortBrains
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You might be onto something..... Instead of taking all americans rights away to AVOID the suicide bombers, we PAY them to blow themselves up. Kind of like shaving NCAA points off a game right?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:27 | 1853400 moondog
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Damnit, outlaw automobiles...weapons on wheels, driven by domestic terrorists.

The elderly are being trained as terrorists to kill Americans.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:52 | 1853535 Rollerball
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Naw, they prolly just own cats:

(let the significance of the [infected] rat behavior sink in)

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:57 | 1855108 Hephasteus
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Oh my god. They are pumping up cats to make them cuter and putting them all over the internet.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:52 | 1854378 Cathartes Aura
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so many amrkns on "have a nice day!" pharma - every year, more prescribed - I'm surprised they even let these people behind a steering wheel, which, given your posted story, they've obviously 'misplaced" while out cruising the streets. . .

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:43 | 1853168 whstlblwr
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Over 1,375 people died due to terrorists in 2010. This is shocking figure and even more shocking the great number of people who died from military industrial complex. It's why Ron Paul's lack of concern about this issue demonstrates his danger to military industry and why peace should never be option.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:27 | 1853401 johnQpublic
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more people died in amerika from bathroom slip and falls than terrorist attacks



let the war on bathrooms begin

-more dangerous on amerikan soil than al queada

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:14 | 1853667 DosZap
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more people died in amerika from bathroom slip and falls than terrorist attacks.

Likewise more children died from drowning in 5 gallon buckets, than from guns.(funny how we never get the truth.)

Tell that to the NEXT VIPRE stop checkpoint thugs.(what a clusterfoxtrot we have fascism on parade.)

I am sure it will amuse them.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:35 | 1854012 krispkritter
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"Help! I've fallen and I can't blow shit up!"...Let 'Operation Tidy Bowl' commence!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:35 | 1853115 qussl3
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Who said anything about Israel?

Jews =/= Zionists.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:37 | 1853132 redpill
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Who are you suggesting they would nuke?  They can't deliver a warhead very far...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:47 | 1853192 qussl3
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I'm not suggesting they nuke anybody.

Tho i'm pretty sure they wish they could.

How far is very far exactly?


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:54 | 1853219 redpill
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Far enough that it isn't America's problem.  Bitter enemies Pakistan and India have both had nuclear weapons pointed at each other for more than a decade, and it's never been close to a problem because ultimately it's insane and self-defeating to even consider using them in the modern world.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:07 | 1853299 qussl3
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MAD indeed.

Nothing wrong about a nuclear accident tho.

Fukushima is being looked over by military planners now with interest i venture.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:13 | 1853328 redpill
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Fukushima is potentially worse in terms of long-term radiation exposure as there is much more residual fuel than would exist after a nuclear explosion.  And a government can't really deny a nuclear explosion as it does with the ongoing recriticality at Fukushima.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:52 | 1853840 JW n FL
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Who said anything about Israel?

Jews =/= Zionists.


Let our Leader explain it too you!

do you better understand now?

we are ALL! ZIONISTS.. in America and Isael.. unless you are the help.. then you are just one of the Slaves described in the Talmud!!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:03 | 1854112 JW n FL
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Uploaded by on Nov 7, 2011

Iran nuclear programme, war of words steps up ahead of UN report

Foreign scientists have helped Iran overcome key hurdles, in it's pursuit of nuclear weapons.

That's according to leaked information from a new report, by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

The full text, which is due to be released this week has raised international alarm.

Al Jazeera's Dorsa Jabbari reports from Tehran.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:39 | 1853133 SeverinSlade
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"The bottom line is that the land within Israel's territorial borders is holy to Muslims as well, they would never irradiate it beyond use."

Well said.

People generally forget why the Muslim world hates Israel so much (and the US as well).  It has nothing to do with who they are, but everything to do with what they're doing and that is occupying holy land.  The Muslim world doesn't like the fact that the Western world supports Zionism while rejecting Muslims worldwide. 

If the US withdrew its forces and closed all military installations in the region while ending all financial and military support of Israel, we would have peace in the region.  Israel would be faced with the hard reality that it can't do whatever it wants without making enemies.  Of course the nutjobs in the Israeli government would probably just use the 300+ nuclear weapons they have in trying to show the Muslim world that Zionism is the only way.

And then there is, of course, the US using Israel as a proxy to defend its oil interests (and the Petrodollar).

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:53 | 1853232 earnulf
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"If the US withdrew its forces and closed all military installations in the region while ending all financial and military support of Israel, we would have peace in the region."

Yeah, that really works wonders, just ask the folks in Afgahnistan. (yeah it was the soviets, and look what happened when they pulled out)   Extremism affects all governments, secular and religious.    Secular are supposed to have elections by the people to keep things somewhat honest, Religious just keep stewing in their hate for those who don't worship the way they do.

Sunni, Shia, you really think the extremists on either side want to sit down and break bread?    You want to spend $20 a gallon for gasoline because Iran closed the Straits of Hormuz except to it's best buddy China?

Muslims tend to believe that ANY land they once held is their's forever, sorta like the Jews.   It is their "sacred" duty to return that land to thier domination.    Ever wonder where the US would be in the Native Americans decided to give back the beads?

Every country, every government has committed crimes/sins/atrocities against others.    No one has clean hands.    There is no "holy land", only land that some religion has decreed must be "holy".   Man put the holy lable on the ground.     Until the religions of the world can stop trying to be THE religion of the world and start working for the good of all men instead of the good of the "true" believers, strife and conflict is the natural outcome of these beliefs.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:57 | 1854088 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Strife and conflict is the natural outcome of...  exponential growth in consumption of finite resources.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:25 | 1853730 DosZap
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"The bottom line is that the land within Israel's territorial borders is holy to Muslims as well, they would never irradiate it beyond use.

Iranians are  PERSIANS.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:17 | 1853949 Panafrican Funk...
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They are officially a Muslim state, and ethnically Persian.  Your confusing your distinctions.  Much of the Middle Eastern power structure is composed of Muslim Arabs.  (note the pictured asian!)

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:25 | 1853983 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Yes muslim persians as opposed to muslim arabs.  Islam is the religion, persian/arab is the race.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:19 | 1855528 Arthur Borges
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What distinction are you making? Most Iranians/Persians are Muslim (with various minorities including Bahai, Christian, Jews and Zoroastrians).

The point is well-taken: Nobody would irradiate the place.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:14 | 1855520 Arthur Borges
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Does anyone remember Iraq invaded Kuwait after years of diplomacy had failed to get Kuwait to halt slant drilling?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:52 | 1853223 tmosley
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But they can't, so they won't.

Lots of people would do lots of things if there were no consequences for their actions.  But there always are.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:24 | 1853725 11b40
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...and vice versa, but that reprisal thing is a bitch.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:31 | 1853097 sunnydays
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Proof of IAEA lies previously about Iran and Fukushima. To believe them now when the economy is falling apart - and all central banks are doing a gold grab - should make people think twice if this is a lie for Israel and the U.S. to invade Iran.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:42 | 1853158 DogSlime
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This is ridiculous, Iran isn't going to nuke anyone even if they get a bomb.

Agreed - they might if they were the only country who had a nuke, but the Iranian leadership aren't so dumb that they would think they could get away with it without being nuked into oblivion themselves.

Iran has not shown itself to be suicidally psychopathic so far.   In fact,  the US, UK, Israel etc. who whip up hysteria about Iran being "dangerous" and "irresponsible" have happily invaded other countries - often on the basis of outright lies.

Iran hasn't invaded anywhere.

They're shit-stirrers, to be sure, but then so are the UK and US (and others).

How can countries who are bristling with nuclear weapons and who have shown nasty military aggression - very recent military aggression - condemn Iran?  It seems like the ultimate hypocrisy.

"Do as we say, not as we do."

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:57 | 1853253 kaiserhoff
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Iran won't nuke anyone, but they might lose track of one or two, like the Soviets did when things fell apart, and if they just happened to end up with Hesbolah, guess who goes boom?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:04 | 1853291 DogSlime
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But by that argument, if the Soviets have already lost some, why hasn't this happened already?

If Iran get nukes and Hesbolah suddenly get hold of one, then the same applies as if Iran had launched the attack themselves - Iran gets nuked into oblivion if they supplied the weapon.  I doubt that Iran are that stupid.  They haven't demonstrated that stupidity so far.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:36 | 1853769 11b40
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And they would be different from Pakistan & from N. Korea exactly how?

This is a very dangerous world.  Iran would be crazy and their leadership derilict if they did not persue the nuclear option.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:47 | 1853193 my puppy for prez
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All the headlines are just "cleverly" designed bullshit from Tavistock Institute et al!

The real threat to our country/world are the think tanks and foundations....they write the policy, and the globalist puppets implement it!

Tavistock deliberately brainwashed Americans with false propaganda and led us into the first and second world wars.

Don't be brainwashed anymore, people!  Tavistock sucks!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:00 | 1853239 Pegasus Muse
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Funny thing.  There is so little debate about which country is the true Nuclear Terrorist State in the Middle East?  At least by the MSM in the States.  Wonder why?  Interesting video.


"Nuclear Threat is from Israel NOT Iran"  (5 minutes)

"Mordechai Vanunu worked as a nuclear technician at Dimona. A supporter of Palestinian rights, Vanunu believed it was his duty to warn the world about the danger Israel posed. In 1986, he smuggled out photographs showing that the plant was producing enough plutonium to make 10 to 12 bombs a year, and that at least 200 miniaturised bombs had been built." 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:17 | 1853356 DosZap
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You are missing the point.

Notice how many dictatorships, and theocracies(next) are being brought down one at a time?.

Have to get them ALL Under the thumb of the NWO.

This will not stop until they do.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:18 | 1853651 pupton
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I believe you are probably right.  As is Ron Paul. Iran probably isn't going to nuke Israel the first chance they get, regardless of how crazy or hostile we think they are.  Once they have a nuke, they "have a chip in the big game".  Why cash out early?  Plus there is the whole MAD aspect, and are they really willing to lose 50 million+ Muslims to prove a point to Israel?

However, I could be wrong and it really doesn't matter what little old me thinks.  What matters is what the Israelis think, as they are the ones risking the mushroom cloud.  Therefore, I would not be surprised to see Israel make a unilateral move against Iran.  They have done it against Iraq and Syria.  This would be no different, and perhaps even more justifiable in the eyes of the Israelis given the threats being made by Iran over the years. 

You also have to figure in the lack of support Israel has felt from the West, especially Odumbo.  Without a strong ally to rely on they may be more willing to go it alone, knowing they can't work things through "the system".

Just my opinion, and I could be wrong.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:40 | 1853782 redpill
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I do not think you are wrong.  People should try to put themselves in the shoes of some of these countries.  Of course they want a nuclear weapon, not to use it, but because then they get treated differently by the west.

We're not even 10 years removed from the invasion of Iraq, and here we are again, war drums beating.  It's just ridiculous.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:12 | 1854435 Cathartes Aura
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You also have to figure in the lack of support Israel has felt from the West, especially Odumbo.  Without a strong ally to rely on they may be more willing to go it alone, knowing they can't work things through "the system".

Israel was created by "the system" and is supported to this day by it, financially & otherwise - who voted with them against the Palestinian state recently?  while I'm sure there are plenty of behind-the-scenes checks and balances, for the most part Israel has enough secrecy and off-the-books "support" to set the next world war in motion, should the choke chain slack. . .

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:34 | 1855273 BigJim
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...This would be no different, and perhaps even more justifiable in the eyes of the Israelis given the threats being made by Iran over the years.

Stop repeating these lies. Iran has never threatened Israel - do your research.

And 'Odumbo' is as good a friend to Israel as any zionist could wish.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 15:00 | 1854100 Quaderratic Probing
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If Iran launches no one would deny the 5 to one retaliation. Iran would no longer exist

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:25 | 1853058 HelluvaEngineer
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War: Bullish.  5$ Gas: Bullish.  Rebuilding after nuclear attach: Bullish.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:34 | 1853109 Oh regional Indian
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Indeed. But this bull is heading for the slaughterhouse I think.

It's pretty freaky if you think abotu it for a second. No war in the last century and a bit would have been anything but a little "conflict" minus th erole played by the Press.

And the full court press has been ON for the Iran attack since November 2nd. Like an avalanche.



Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:55 | 1853859 krispkritter
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Building one to power the propane genset on the house...with about 2000 trees I should be set unless an EMP hits...

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:56 | 1853245 earleflorida
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how many nuclear fishes with their calling tags "CPC" & "Hammer & Sickle" are swimming just outside our ports from the atlantic to the pacific would you wager to guess?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:09 | 1853921 Panafrican Funk...
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So, the IAEA is going to report this information on the same day as the EAS test?  What a strange and completely unrelated coincidence!  :-)

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:41 | 1854031 krispkritter
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Speaking of decoys, where is everyone this Wednesday?  

Nationwide Test of the Emergency Alert System

Wednesday, November 9 at 2:00 PM EST 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:18 | 1853028 qussl3
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Oil sword 2.0 Persian Edition.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:26 | 1853037 Dr. Engali
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We better invade them and take their oil before they do.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:19 | 1853038 Shizzmoney
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The lads over at Raytheon must be fist-pumping today!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:30 | 1853093 azzhatter
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Actually they are buttpumping

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:26 | 1853394 DosZap
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The lads over at Raytheon must be fist-pumping today!

Checked their stock prices in the past few years?.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:00 | 1853887 krispkritter
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Their local 'office' for radar towers is doing a booming business. Oddly, the entire facility next door was purchased and now houses several hundred humvees?  Neighbor does custom hauling and is pulling huge loads of radar equipment out of there, all hush-hush, going to points on the Eastern seaboard. If the stock is tanking maybe the toilets need a price increase?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:18 | 1854481 Cathartes Aura
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parallel shadow economy off-books budgets, recycling the illegal monies gathered worldwide. . . I'm sure they're beyond the "stock market" now. . .

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:19 | 1853039 Josh Randall
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the power structure always knocks it down before they're going to gobble it all up

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:20 | 1853043 BlueStreet
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$4 coming soon again to those of us in Chicago.  That is bullish, right?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:31 | 1853098 CrashisOptimistic
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That is the dirty little secret of all such reports that AT ALL COSTS avoid talk of geology when discussing oil.

The dirty little secret is that oil exports are falling sharply, even as oil production curls over the top of its peak rate.  Those countries subsidize oil internally.  People pay 25 cents a gallon for gasoline.  

When you are paying 25 cents a gallon, the answer to ALL energy demands is oil.  You need electricity for air conditioning in 120 degree heat?  You don't burn coal to make it.  You don't burn natural gas to make it.

You burn gasoline.

Whose oil is it again?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:22 | 1853045 MFL8240
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The war machine is getting ready as the media primes the pump for WWIII.  Just fuckin amazing that we have learned so little.



Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:37 | 1853127 i-dog
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Obama will see Ron Paul's promises and raise him one! Promises, promises.......

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:22 | 1853048 The Ram
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Ah, the log awaited phony war on Iran.  Markets dumping, bring on the war.  Should get interesting by the end of the week.  Get your pop Corn and 3-D glasses!



Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:37 | 1855276 BigJim
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Welding goggles might be a better bet

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:22 | 1853050 Fix It Again Timmy
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Just another tidy, utterly predictable and orderly war - what could possibly go wrong?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:24 | 1853052 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Fears Of Iran Nuclear Weaponizing Lead To Brent Break Out"


After all we simply can't have two countries in the Middle East with nuclear weapons programs unsupervised by the International community. Israel is special after all.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:26 | 1853067 fasTTcar
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Difference is that Israel never signed the Non Proliferation Treaty, Iran did.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:41 | 1853153 Cognitive Dissonance
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And why wasn't Israel pressured into signing it? Because Big Daddy warbucks backs everything Israel.

I think that when history is viewed in 100 years it will be agreed that never before has such as small 'country' had such an outsized influence on as big and as powerful country as the USA.

Israel runs America's foreign policy pure and simple. And much of it's domestic policy as well.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:00 | 1853266 kaiserhoff
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And the American taxpayer buys all of their weapons.  Why don't more people know that?

I guess the point of this article is that with a full tank of gas you can out run the mushroom cloud?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:09 | 1853309 earleflorida
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see that guy,... whose puss, 'center's' on the monopoly box cover smoking that big stogie, that's "big daddy" hmself  

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:18 | 1853352 malikai
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Israel runs America's foreign policy pure and simple. And much of it's domestic policy as well.

Don't forget the economy!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:10 | 1853656 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Cognitive Dissonance wrote:

Israel runs America's foreign policy pure and simple. And much of it's domestic policy as well.

Countries have always administered their colonies like that.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:25 | 1853390 Oh regional Indian
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Tch. Facts. Some people do not let them cloud their otherwise crystal(meth) clear thinking.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:07 | 1853646 TheFourthStooge-ing
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fasTTcar coughed up this hairball:

Difference is that Israel never signed the Non Proliferation Treaty, Iran did.

You are correct; you also forgot to mention that Iran is, and has been, in compliance with the NPT.


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:27 | 1853072 GeneMarchbanks
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Not necessary.

Some are more special than others.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:28 | 1853073 SheepDog-One
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Right, of course Israel gets as many nukes as they feel like, and dont even have to be inspected or inventoried or even the number disclosed. 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:23 | 1853375 DosZap
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 Israel is special after all.

Yes they are.As the only Jewish state in the middle of over a billion muslims,(most of which want their ass gone,and have tried on a couple of occasions)they need a hold card.

Iran is a sleeze ball Theocracy, Dictatoship,and murders it's own peoples.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:00 | 1853599 Rollerball
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And that's why "we" should prevent Tibetan monks from acquiring nuclear weapons also.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:12 | 1853649 redcorona
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Israel is a sleeze ball Theocracy, Oligarchy, and murders anyone, anywhere at anytime.

Edit:  This will be the first *official* war against revisionist historians. 

War on Terror?  No.  War against Holocaust Denial and 9/11 Truth, possibly.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 13:20 | 1853696 DosZap
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 redcorona         Israel is a sleeze ball Theocracy               Uh,where did you get those supposed FACTS?. Israel is by a large margin amajority Secular state. Also,anyone who thinks BiBi is the one DEMANDING an attack on IRAN, is delusional, his handler is.   BHO. Got to get to the  N W O
Mon, 11/07/2011 - 16:29 | 1854519 Cathartes Aura
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ahhh DosZap, I see you've dug your Zionist beanie out of the closet,  must be getting close to some Xtian "end times" again, hmm?

that Israel is plopped down "in the middle of over a billion muslims" is by design, over many decades - that you "support" this folly is also by design, a tale of righteous religiousity that guarantees wars over and over and over. . .

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:24 | 1853055 prains
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Mission accomplished 2.0 here we come.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:25 | 1853056 Abitdodgie
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You have got to be the " dumbest motherfucker alive" to go fight this one, well at least it will get rid of the stupid people 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:28 | 1853076 Jones79
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yeah, especially with the " 'human wave' " attack.  you can't defend against that. 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:29 | 1853083 SteveGennisonBa...
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You'll never run out of stupid people.  That is one thing in this world that we have an endless supply of.  As I type this 3 new dipshits were just born.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:35 | 1853112 SheepDog-One
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Its why they had to wreck the economy before WW3 ramp-up...plenty of people with no options for work willing to do whatever.

Same as it ever was.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:40 | 1853150 SteveGennisonBa...
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Yup. Create desperation and dependence.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:25 | 1853059 Roland99
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Oh, the they've changed.

Anyone remember this ad for nuclear power in Iran?


Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:35 | 1853116 SheepDog-One
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Used to be good, now its bad and they need to be invaded and killed.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 11:50 | 1853211 Roland99
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Bill Kristol, Michael Ledeen, John Bolton, et al are creaming their pants at the thought of attacking Iran.  Consequences be damned.


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