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Fed May Inject Over $1 Trillion To Bail Out Europe

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As first reported here, two weeks ago European banks saw the amount of USD-loans from the Fed, via the ECB's revised swap line, surge to over $50 billion - a total first hit in the aftermath of the Bear Stearns failure prompting us to ask "When is Lehman coming?" However, according to little noted prepared remarks by Anthony Sanders in his Friday testimony to the Congress Oversight Committee, "What the Euro Crisis Means for Taxpayers and the U.S. Economy, Pt. 1", we may have been optimistic, because the end result will be not when is Lehman coming, but when are the next two Lehmans coming, as according to Sanders, the relaunch of the Fed's swaps program may "get to the $1 trillion level, or perhaps even higher." As a reference, FX swap line usage peaked at $583 billion in the Lehman aftermath (see chart). Needless to say, this estimate is rather ironic because as Bloomberg's Bradely Keoun reports, "Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke yesterday told a closed-door gathering of Republican senators that the Fed won’t provide more aid to European banks beyond the swap lines and the discount window -- another Fed program that provides emergency funds to U.S. banks, including U.S. branches of foreign banks." Well, between a trillion plus in FX swap lines, and a surge in discount window usage which only Zero Hedge has noted so far, there really is nothing else that the Fed can possibly do, as these actions along amount to a QE equivalent liquidity injection, only denominated in US Dollars. Aside of course to shower Europe with dollars from the ChairsatanCopter. Then again, before this is all over, we are certain that paradollardop will be part of the vernacular.

Historical ECB swap line usage with the Fed, and projected assuming $1+ trillion in use. Just to put it all into perspective.

For all those lamenting the ECB's lack of willingness to print, fear not: the almighty Chairsatan has vowed to valiantly take his place when needed. As in 2 weeks ago. From Bloomberg:

European financial companies led by Royal Bank of Scotland Plc were borrowing about $538 billion directly from the Fed when the central bank’s emergency loans to all banks peaked at $1.2 trillion on December 2008, according to a Bloomberg News examination of data released by the Fed under last year’s Dodd- Frank Act and earlier this year under court-upheld Freedom of Information Act requests.

 

The Fed hasn’t provided any estimates of how large the swap lines might get, said David Skidmore, a Fed spokesman. He declined to elaborate.

 

“To get above $600 billion wouldn’t be a stretch,” said Desmond Lachman, a former International Monetary Fund deputy director who’s now a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative public-policy center in Washington. “You’re talking about a European banking system that is huge in relation to that of the United States.”

 

Josh Rosner, a banking analyst with New York-based Graham Fisher & Co., said the Fed’s swap lines may end up helping Europe support banks that might not deserve emergency loans.

 

“As a result of this commitment of financial support, we’re now supporting undemocratic approaches implemented largely by authorities who have demonstrated an ongoing inability to either recognize the scope and scale of the problems or come to a consensus on the proper approach,” Rosner said.

 

The ultimate size of the swap lines is “unknowable at this point,” he said.

For those wondering what all this means, we remind you that there was a roughly $6.5 trillion synthetic (duration mismatch) USD short as of 4 years ago, as we reported at the time. That short has gotten substantially larger following a 4 year regime of the USD as a funding currency courtesy of ZIRP. Which means that any time the liquidity shortage threatens to collapse the system, the first thing to go stratospheric will be the USD as the global financial system scrambles to cover its short. It also means that anything the Fe and/or ECB can do from a pure printing standpoint will be peanuts compared to the utter carnage unless the dollar short is not preserved. Which naturally means that it is up to the Fed to continue drowning the world in either nominal dollars, or swapped ones, such as under the form of a USD-EUR swap, which is nothing but a forward operations. In essence, with the FX swap lines, the Fed engages in the ultimate currency warfare tool: it sells dollars to the entities most needy. And it does so, because if it doesn't, said needy entities will implode, and the hollow financial dominoes will topple, leading to a mess that not even infinite synthetic or real printing of binary of paper dollars, euros, or anything else will do to fix.

Which is why all those wondering if gold should be bought now or the second after the ECB starts printing, we have one piece of advice: just look at the chart above. It says all one needs to know.

Lastly, since the Sanders testimony is worth a read in and of itself, we recreate it below. Some of the choice selections:

The Eurozone is teetering on collapse and it has been decades in the making. The cause of their problems is 1) excessive government spending leading to 2) excessive government debt coupled with 3) slow GDP growth.

 

If we look at Household and Financial Debt in addition to Government Debt, the UK’s Debt to GDP ratio exceeds 900%. Japan is over 600% and Europe is almost 500% Debt to GDP. The U.S. is over 300%. In summary, Euro, Japan and the U.S. are drowning in debt. And a recent article from economists at the ECB that finds:

 

The European Union will unify, break up or downsize. But regardless of what option they choose, they still have too much spending and debt relative to the ability to pay for it: GDP growth. But additional debt is not the answer. It is the problem.

 

The obvious solution is austerity (reduction in government spending). But  making loans to the European  Central Bank or individual countries doesn’t solve the underlying structural problems; it only makes the Debt to GDP problem even worse. It is simply a short-term solution and actually encourages the  Eurozone to delay making the hard decisions.

Full testimony:

 


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Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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Dollars to be printed to bail out Europe.

The ECB has the Fed by the balls.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:28 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Gold is collateral in this particular bailout.

Who's the smartguy here, Bernanke or the ECB?

All euro gold are belong to Ben!

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:33 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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no, all gold belongs to the rothschilds in the city of london...........

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:53 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
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couldnt resist another anti jewish dig, could you?

Man those Jews really have you beat down, dont they?

Cant say I'm surprised.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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 Europe will just give us I.O.U.'S.      I.O.U.'S in Europe stands for I Owe U Shit.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:53 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Jim willie has a great essay on these events:

http://www.24hgold.com/english/contributor.aspx?article=3738541282G10020...

Pathogenesis of Central Bank Ruin


Mon, 12/19/2011 - 06:42 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Taxation without representation.....seems we've been here before.

 

Time to bring out the muskets again.....just in time for the new Gitmo law.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment vipobviously
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Damn, I'm fresh out of flintlocks... anybody seen my powderhorn around here, I hear hostilities are afoot and I still need to sew my trouser button back onto me trousers. At least i figured out a way to eat gold

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 03:49 | Link to Comment RemiG2010
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Well, it can be used as a fertilizer so defacto it's priceless!

 

 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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France destryed the gold standard by pulling out of the London gold Pool. They sent a ship to New York to pick up the gold.  It will be no diffrent this time.

The Fed needs to bail out Europe to save primary dealers.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:56 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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like they saved MFGlobal?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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larger primary dealers

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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The fed will claim a bailout of europe, but the fed is only acting to protect the big banks that it serves........

 

jim rickards interview.........from friday..........

 

http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/2011/12/jim-rickards-main-job-of-fed-is-to.html

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment LookingWithAmazement
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The opposite: the French sent a ship for their gold because and after the Yanks destroyed the gold standard. De Gaulle was right.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:28 | Link to Comment Spitzer
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The LGP collapsed when france pulled out

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Scottj88
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Ho Ho Ho....

Looks like there will be plenty of paper for the bonfires to keep us warm.

http://thehardrightedge.com/currency/

Here comes the Santa-Claus rally....

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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1 FED note = 12.44 BTU

This allows easy calculations of how many dollars you'll need for the stove.

 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment phungus_mungus
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How the fuck does anyone really think they are going to pay this back? 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:02 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Please, don't be naive. Who gave you the idea anyone was going to pay anyone back?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:53 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Just like the Jones next door. Once they realized that they won't be able to pay their debts, they maxed all credit cards before declaring bankruptcy.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:50 | Link to Comment vipobviously
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Could you name a time when any govt. has paid back its debts.. well i guess germany did that whole reparations thing, then sent the survivors repaid a tax bill with penalties for not declaring their"profits"

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:06 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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"On the Fed side, it is clear that loans to the Eurozone could be problematic to the taxpayers"; uh-huh. Yepp. I call it bailing out the bond owning class at the expense of the taxpaying class.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:23 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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WHEN, not IF they do it, the end of U.S. sovereignty can now be declared once and for all.

Perhaps a review of the Boston Tea Party story would be in order also.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Dr Paul Krugman
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That's ridiculous.  The Fed is swaping dollars for Euros.  It is an investment from which both will benefit.  The Euro will rise, making the Fed money, and Europe has liquidity, which they need to fund their banking system.

Since the Euro technocrats weren't going to solve the problem someone had to.  It's a good thing if the Fed has stepped in.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:28 | Link to Comment q99x2
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The Fed has lost its ability to support politicians. A new year is around the corner. God damn Mayans.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment redpill
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Ben Bernanke should be tried for treason.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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Maybe he thinks the U.S. isn't his country so he can't be tried for treason.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:10 | Link to Comment xela2200
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The Fed and the Treasury with SDRs have in effect shorted the dollar. Euro under 1.30 for extended period of time will force the FED's hand. The currency war is a race to the bootom after all.

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2011/12/18_Jim_Rickards_-_This_Will_Send_the_Price_of_Gold_to_the_Moon.html

 

http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/2011/12/jim-rickards-main-job-of-fed-is-to.html

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 02:11 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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The Stupid is strong with this one...

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 08:18 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Wow Dr Paul-  you're a really smart guy.... Doctorate?  Of what-  Religion?

Idjit......

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:57 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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"Solve the problem" should immediately be replace with "kicked the can down the road".

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:55 | Link to Comment vipobviously
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Hey John,

Does this mean states begin printing continentals or the like again? Do individual states loose soverienty, or just corrupt us gov departments? Do the people loose soverienty?

 

"...at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects...with none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty." CHISHOLM v. GEORGIA (US) 2 Dall 419, 454, 1 L Ed 440, 455 @DALL 1793 pp471-472

The people of this State, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the King by his prerogative. Through the medium of their Legislature they may exercise all the powers which previous to the Revolution could have been exercised either by the King alone, or by him in conjunction with his Parliament; subject only to those restrictions which have been imposed by the Constitution of this State or of the U.S.
Lansing v. Smith, 21 D. 89., 4 Wendel 9 (1829) (New York)
"D." = Decennial Digest
Lansing v. Smith, 4 Wend. 9 (N.Y.) (1829), 21 Am.Dec. 89
10C Const. Law Sec. 298; 18 C Em.Dom. Sec. 3, 228;
37 C Nav.Wat. Sec. 219; Nuls Sec. 1`67; 48 C Wharves Sec. 3, 7.
NOTE: Am.Dec.=American Decision, Wend. = Wendell (N.Y.)

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:27 | Link to Comment ultimate warrior
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Bullish

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:27 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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buy buy buy...........

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:28 | Link to Comment AssFire
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Oh the ECB is TBTF as well?? Those slimy bastards are well on there way with the open window. This should cause an uprising.. calling all balls, calling all balls!

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment hack3434
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Oh the ECB is TBTF as well?? 

 

Well yes...at 50X or so leverage  (LT)ECB  IS the world's 2nd biggest hedge fund. 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:28 | Link to Comment honestann
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End all central banks.
End the federal reserve.
End all fractional reserve practices.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:55 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Great ideas.  But the PROBLEM is this:  You have a world full of people who have ZERO knowledge about these evils, so they don't have the first clue that they should only elect politicians (like Ron Paul) who are passionate about doing the above!

As long as governments are full of fiat-enablers, there will be NO real solutions!

And that is tragic...

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:30 | Link to Comment rocker
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And Why Isn't Big Ben in Jail?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:06 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Because he has the printer.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:31 | Link to Comment gbresnahan
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Surely not. Wouldn't this be considered treason?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:32 | Link to Comment user2011
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Is 1 Trillion is enough ? Greek, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, etc...

I thought it needs may Trillions.. 1T will only kick the bucket down a bit further.

If 1T fixes everything, China would have stepped in and buy some heroic points. I thought China, with 3T reserves, wouldn't even touch Europe with a long pole.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:40 | Link to Comment max2205
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Np... 1 trillion at 40x leverage = 40 Trillion. Problem solved

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:53 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Rehypothecation, bitchez.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:56 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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derivitives...shhhhhhh.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:54 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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"Now notional GDP is not the same as real GDP.  In other words, notional GDP is real GDP plus inflation.  If the Fed targets NGDP, what they are really saying is they don’t care about inflation anymore, they’ve given up.  I’ve said all along the Fed wants inflation and this is a way of getting it.  It’s also a way of destroying the debt by cheapening the dollar."

 

All you really need to know are the answers to these 2 questions:

 

1). Who benefits most from inflation...the debtor or the creditor?

2). Who has the printing press?

 

Though with this circle jerk of the Fed. buying Euros and the foreigners printing same as quickly as possible, maybe one doesn't need one's own printing press???

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Jim Rickards makes a lot of sense. This video is a little dry at the beginning, but it gets very interesting at the end. This is the presentation he did for the military and other "intelligence" agencies. After watching it, I HOPE we really have gold at Fort Knox.

http://outerdnn.outer.jhuapl.edu/rethinking/VideoArchives/MrJamesGRickardsPresentationVideo.aspx

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:33 | Link to Comment NumNutt
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So let me understand this...The FED will print a large some of monopoly money and give it to their European gang members at the ECB, so that they can then hand it out to the fools that run the in debt Euro nations. They will then in turn spend it like drunken sailors until it is gone in say..... a year? Maybe?  Then what? Oh yeah that's right now I remember! Then all of us tax payers can bend over and take it in the ass.  Hope they provide us all with the local rape crises 800 number so we have someone to talk to after this happens.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:58 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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After an infusion of $40 trillion monopoly money, they can buy your little house and hotels easily  now...all they gotta do is up the property tax so you HAVE to sell. Game over.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:05 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Wrong! Drunken sailors actually spend THEIR OWN money.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:13 | Link to Comment MonsterBox
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Hey!  why so harsh on the drunken sailors?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:33 | Link to Comment Josh Randall
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Another FESTIVUS MIRACLE!

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:40 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Let's just consider it a trillion dollar donation to "The Human Fund".

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Ineverslice
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And now, to the feats of strength...

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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We have already heard the airing of grievances.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:50 | Link to Comment XitSam
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You ain't heard nothin' yet.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:34 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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Of course the Fed is going to bail out the European banks. If some of those banks fail they could have a negative impact on JP Morgan, Goldman, Bank of England, Rothschilds, and the rest of the crew that the Fed is in business to protect. This is so obvious.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:48 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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There are $707 trillion in unregulated derivatives.  The Fed has no choice but to bail out European banks as every US major bank has large derivative exposure to European banks.

$1 trillion may not be enough though - not for long anyway.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:57 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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Sure they have a choice let them fail, but that would be biting the hand that feeds them.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:39 | Link to Comment DormRoom
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Hey Fed, for $1T, the US could fund all post secondary education, making it free for  four years

 

Why (foreign) bankers get all the free money, and  future generations get debt slavery?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:09 | Link to Comment HellFish
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That MAY be a nice idea if it was for an actual hard science degree.  Economics?  Art History?  Women's Studies? Better off burning the cash than waste it on a liberal major.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 08:54 | Link to Comment weinerdog43
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Maybe someday, you'll finish high school and can attend that manicure school you've been dreaming about.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 11:57 | Link to Comment kinganuthin
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i'll take the Asian nail salon profits over a professors tenure any day.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment rufusbird
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Students don't make campaign contributions...Bankers do...

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:38 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Does this mean Treasuries start going parabolic and oil, gold, and grains suffer more downside?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:45 | Link to Comment gangland
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Mon, 12/19/2011 - 03:38 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Is this the kind of picture where you need to guess what you see?

 

I see.... I see.... I SEE 4 NAKED CHICKS DOING A WHIPCREAM LICKING CONTEST ON EACH OTHER!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 09:33 | Link to Comment VisualCSharp
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rofl

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Everyman
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I don't see the whipped cream at all!

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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@Robo

Dewd, there is NOTHING that you, or anyone else, could say that would get me to sell my gold.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:06 | Link to Comment Shadowsil
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This is not the Old robo, who is this robo imposter?

Your comments and Esprit De corps have changed over the past couple days it seems.

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment pods
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Robo needed a bit of rest and respite after selling a kidney to get in on the Zynga IPO.

pods

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:42 | Link to Comment old naughty
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Good mention of Esprit.

Did they change from gaining from Euro fx?

Poor merchandising policy.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:08 | Link to Comment rufusbird
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The most likely thing to happen will be that which will confound the highest number of people...

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 08:20 | Link to Comment jcaz
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LOL- it's a cinch that YOU don't know, Robo....

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:38 | Link to Comment ZeroPoint
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Can someone explain to me how the printing of US Dollars is going to save the Euro and Europe?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:42 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Our funny money is better than theirs (for now anyway).

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 03:40 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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BUT OUR DRUGS RULES OVER YOURS!

WHOEHAHALALALALALALA!!!

 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:49 | Link to Comment NumNutt
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It won't, it is kind of like the trick of putting saw dust in a old almost dead car transmission. It will seem to work well for a little while, and will probably get you to your destination. But then after that it will take a large shit and never function again.  In this situation the destination is the US elections in November......Does that help?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:52 | Link to Comment infinity8
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that's fucking awsome! - never heard of this saw dust trick and called my car know-how friend. He confirmed like it was yesterday's news. And also said that it "would get you home". live and learn, live and learn. tx!

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:39 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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and we go to kitco and look at the metals and we see a sea of red.....yep that makes a lot of sense. sure does.......i am not surprised........

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:52 | Link to Comment navy62802
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That's what we call a buying opportunity. Capitalize on the idiocy of others.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:40 | Link to Comment navy62802
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Is anyone on ZH surprised? As has been stated and restated over and over again on this site, the only answer that global central banks have left is to print. It shouldn't really be that shocking to anyone.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:42 | Link to Comment gangland
Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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I see your $1 Trillion and I raise you $ 5 Trillion

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 05:12 | Link to Comment The Navigator
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I see your $5trillion and raise to $50trillion, easily $50 trillion if not $100Trillion

$1Trillion is peanuts, since I can print trillions, quadrillions, and centillions - I am the Fed.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Do you beeeeelieeeeeeeeve in the power of Ponzi?

CHURCH OF PONZI

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:35 | Link to Comment old naughty
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Of course.

Its the only game [left] in town.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:44 | Link to Comment old naughty
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BTW, WB, why they have their masks off?

Eyes wide shut?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:47 | Link to Comment kato
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Let them ruin their own money, Germany included; although I do feel kind of bad for Germany, they signed up for the deal they deserve. America did not sign up for the Euro. KEEP the United States OUT OF IT. It is going to end badly no matter what they and 'Economist' magazine say. Please don't let Ben don his "UNDERDOG - I AM HERE TO SAVE THE DAY" costume and pork the poor of the land with food, fuel, etc. that they - WE - cannot afford. Let the failed businesses called banks fail and quickly nationalize them. This just gets more and more stupid every failed 'summit'.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:45 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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Not a big surprise.  Bernank is a Bilderberger and does not put America before the NWO.  The unification must move forward at all costs.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:46 | Link to Comment navy62802
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The only advice I can think of at this point is to prepare yourselves. This isn't going to end well for anyone.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:47 | Link to Comment midgetrannyporn
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The bernank sings "I'm an Asshole":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVpxxzb2Dc&feature=relmfu

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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The beauty of it all: spend a trillion to save banks today, and watch debt/GDP become even worse tomorrow, then you need to spend three trillion to accomplish the same thing the day after tomorrow

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:06 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Greenspan's put sure is awfully expensive.

However it is more like the Fed sold a CDS and has to put up increasing collateral requirements.

Maybe we should call it the Bernanke debt swap.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Worse than expensive, that's how a death spiral gets going. Each time the Fed "bails out" the banking system will ensure that they'll need to do it again at higher cost and with less in return. 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:12 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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As long as the general public keeps "buying it" why not?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:52 | Link to Comment TSA gropee
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I'm surprised, surprised that it's only $1T. Shit, come to think of it, why stop at 1? if you're stealing taxpayer money or printing your own, just go wide open. 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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I hear you and agree. At the same time, if you think about it, your response is a symptom of just how innured we have become. Let me demonstrate.

TSA gropee, you have just won One Trillion Dollars.

Lot of damn money, eh? (If this is MsCreant, she is gasping and making hacking sounds).

Kind of like the spigot is wide open, eh?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:39 | Link to Comment old naughty
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Thats just the first course. Keep feeding us until we all accept (give up?).

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 09:26 | Link to Comment kralizec
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No shit!  If $1T is good, $2T would be great!  $3T would be fantastic!  $4T would be super-freakin' awesome!

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Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:58 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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A careful reading shows the title may be incorrect. Anthony Sanders was not discussing the bailout of Europe, but the consequences to the usa should the eurozone undergo severe crises/ bank collapse/eurozone breakup scenarios. The two Lehmans he is referring to were clearly implied to be in the usa and the scenario was subsequent or coincident with a eurozone emergency.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 22:54 | Link to Comment iLoveMisesToPieces
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Does anyone know the story behind Bernanke?  Is he just a puppet that TPTB thought fit their mold perfectly or is he more than that?  I'm guessing puppet but what makes me wonder is why wouldn't you pick a better puppet?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:02 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Could he not just be a well meaning academic type? A technocrat?

Sure he was chosen because he follows neo keynesian orthodoxy to socialize losses and solve each crises with more liquidity, but doubtful he has secret meetings with the banker cartel where he laughs sinisterly about the grand conspiracy while they eat children.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:24 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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So I get into this conversation today about inflation vs. deflation with a couple close people I know tonight. To be honest it was more of an intellectual argument. 

Inflation vs. Deflation: which is worse

The delfation argument was that if you don't print money than many jobs will be lost and it will cause a depression. The act of printing money in this argument was justified under the thought that policy makers (central banks) have "tools" at their disposal like...raising interest rates, etc should inflation get out of control. 

My argument was that printing money to avoid a depression creates malinvestment and not only moral hazard but also moral turptitude. This causes a degradation in society. More importantly however, once a loss of faith in the currency occurs, policy makers have NO tools and a complete breakdown in society occurs. In addition I had to explain that countries have never collapsed under deflationary circumstances, only under inflationary to hyperinflationary circumstances (the title of this article references TRILLION) 

On another note we both agreed that the term "crony capitalism" should be replaced by what it really is in the news medium...fascism.

Merry Christmas.

 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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I'm only the messenger: cost of loans for oil and gas drilling and exploration are rising significantly due to global financial turmoil (now up to Libor +4.5). Biflation: the worse the economy, the higher the cost

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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dupe

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:09 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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Aside of course to shower Europe with dollars from the ChairsatanCopter.

and Jerry Sandusky showers at that

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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Wow. Thanks for mentioning me (Anthony B. Sanders) in a Zero Hedge article. Here is my blog ( hated by The Fed):

HTTP://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com

 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment mailll
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I hope the tax payers aren't going to get stuck paying for all that printing press ink! 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:02 | Link to Comment DarkStarDog
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Tax payers did not lose a penny on TARP. lol. This will be no different, we will lose hundreds of billions.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment ZachGreen30
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"Which is why all those wondering if gold should be bought now or the second after the ECB starts printing, we have one piece of advice: just look at the chart above. It says all one needs to know."

Im sorry but im not smart enough to look at that chart and see its correlation to gold prices, could someone please explain this to me in leymans terms? (Should I buy now or after the ECB starts printing?) Thanks a ton!

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Zero Bid
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gold now, unicorns after

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:59 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Now; this is a valid major bottom, or dip. In my humble opinion.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Do you want it in LAYMAN'S terms or LEHMAN'S terms?  jk

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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But, Jim Cramer told us Europe was contained and go long on all casino holdings. I'm so confused. hehe

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:24 | Link to Comment nostromo17
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Eh, whats another trillion dollars...

-that would be "A thousand billion" for you numerically challenged Brits.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Yes Virginia , there is a fascist  state called America.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:55 | Link to Comment jack stephan
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Dr. Gonzo: We won't make the nut unless we have unlimited credit.
Raoul Duke: Jesus Christ, we will, man. You Samoans are all the same. You have no faith in the essential decency of the white man's culture.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 23:58 | Link to Comment DarkStarDog
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Yawn.... Wake me up once the revolution begins.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:01 | Link to Comment pakled
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Question A: Do we really get Euros on these swaps, or are we just playing "pretend"? In other words, does Europe really honestly truly have to set aside there half of the swap? And if so, where the hell do they get it (or pretend to get it) since they dont have a Ben machine? (semi speculative question)

 

Question B: Does the swap engage before or after a European sovereign default (or similar calamity)? (full blown speculative question)

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment PulauHantu29
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Saving the Euro is crucial to avoid a more severe global depression. If the euro tanks, the RMB and USD will soar crushing the related economies by closing down their exports which will skyrocket in costs....then create even worse unemployment imho.

I say Print on, McBernank!,

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:25 | Link to Comment Hoody Who
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That tapping sound you here is Ben hitting the Zero on his keyboard.

To Infinity!!!!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:25 | Link to Comment devo
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What is up with gold and silver? Liquidation/fear or what? I don't want to stupidly sell, but I'm feeling pressure and pain (i.e. losing massive purchasing power).

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:27 | Link to Comment devo
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Also, something I don't understand about gold "manipulation": if JP Morgan et al didn't want people to own gold, wouldn't they let the price rise to where the average person couldn't afford it? Seems that would keep more people out of the market than lowering the price.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:28 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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we now have a zH trollTM who is in the congressionalRecord w/: 

The European Union will unify, break up or downsize. But regardless of what option they choose, they still have too much spending and debt relative to the ability to pay for it: GDP growth. But additional debt is not the answer. It is the problem.

well, if he gets too far out, they know where to find him!

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:04 | Link to Comment gwar5
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I like the part where he says "austerity" is the obvious answer, ie., "reduction in government spending".  Paging Dr. Krugman...  paging Dr. Krugman....

Duh. We all knew that 20 years ago when it would have been prudent. Now the spending is the only thing between the next snowflake and the avalanche.  

 

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:51 | Link to Comment cathrynm
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Let me think.  European banks borrow dollars, and exchange dollars for Euros -- so this would make the Euro rise relative to the dollar, right?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 00:52 | Link to Comment gwar5
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It's the two-fer thing. FED can debase the USD and strengthen the EURO at the same time with such a move. The whole EU is the new Greece. FED cannot inflate the USD debt away with a collapse of the EURO. The EU mess has been crapping all over the TimnankeSachs' plans. Robottrader will no doubt be pleased though.

 

Meantime, the Bilderbergers are also floating the rumor that there's really 2 million tons of gold vaulted away and all is well, ie., all the money printing is not really fiat currency. See, that's the reason they've been so secretive for so many decades, it's all been for our own good.

(check: divinecosmos.com or David Wilcock re: trillion $$ lawsuit.  Weird: also has tangential ties to the wild case of the $135 billion in bonds nabbed from the two Japanese caught at the Italian/SUI border in June 2009.... remember that one?  This just gets better and better... or, shall we say, more desperate?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:36 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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I just don't believe that Fulford storyline, as nothing seems to happen and the story just gets weirder and weirder....and I am saying that as one who is willing to think outside the box....I'm a 9/11 "truther" and have come to realize that many "conspiracy" theories actually are real.  But the White Dragon stuff just doesn't sit right with me...but I could be wrong.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:07 | Link to Comment EZYJET PILOT
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This is about devaluing all currencies, they are all relative to the weak dollar. What will the banks use this money for if as Tyler alludes the MF global trade is not coming to town? Bonuses, risky assets?

It makes me sick when I think about how these bastards are rehyopthecating the hell out of everything and at the same time claiming virtually free money from Bernanke. This cures absolutely nothing but we all know that. In 6 months time the money would have run out, they will still have Euro bonds on their balance sheets plus the deriavtives will be up at around 800 Trillion, the shadow banking world would have shrunk even more then they will be shouting out for more free money, which the fed will dutifully give them in the name of protecting Europe

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:30 | Link to Comment besnook
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if you are a usa taxpayer you now own a bunch of marked to fantasy euro debt  to go with all the marked to fantasy mbs debt.

leaving prudence aside, this is really a brilliant end around merkel. the eurozone gets to print through the bernank. the usa owns the eurozone now. even the chinese get bailed out indirectly because their best customer gets bailed out.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:11 | Link to Comment besnook
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anyone care to guess what is being swapped for dollars.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:12 | Link to Comment BluPoint
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Oh when will this paper ponzi end?  This long drawn out script is killing me.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 01:21 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Europe,

Let Bernanke and the Federal Reserve expand and print to try and save the EU. Bernanke and the Federal Reserve want to save the world. Take advatage of it before there is a run on the US dollar and a loass in confidence of the US dollar and the federal reserve. Run the US into the ground first by causing  Bernanke to save 10s of trillions in bad derivatives! One way to take down the US federal reserve.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 02:09 | Link to Comment Weisbrot
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perpetual doom and gloom? some how those in charge seem to be keeping things going far longer than many have expected. Obviously they know things that most of us dont seem to realize.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 02:16 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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They bail out nothing in Europe.

Congress cries out for money publicly while passing the binary behind secret doors.

 

I hate to say this, but I think now the Fed Reserve has lost sight and focus of the Charter and should be removed.

 

Otherwise the People will remove the failed US dollar from thier every day life.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 03:38 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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"we may have been optimistic, because the end result will be not when is Lehman coming, but when are the next two Lehmans coming"

 

I feel better already.

Just say: "It'll be like Lehman X 100!"

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 03:40 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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We can't stop (spending), we have to slow down first. 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 04:29 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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RACE TO BANKRUPTCY!

Time to max out those credit cards!

Debt!  It's the new GREEN!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 05:13 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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"The obvious solution is austerity (reduction in government spending). But  making loans to the European  Central Bank or individual countries doesn’t solve the underlying structural problems; it only makes the Debt to GDP problem even worse. It is simply a short-term solution and actually encourages the  Eurozone to delay making the hard decisions."

Wrong.  The obvious solution is to implement Glass-Steagall, implode the fraud, the scams, and haircut the debt that was inflated by the system along the way.  Even legitimate debt has been inflated because it was in the system where everything that was taken fedback into the loop causing legitimate debt to be larger than it should of been. Thus haircuts need to be applied in conjunction with the other measures.

So what does the author mean by austerity? He says gov't spending.  Well there's the legitimate and the fraudulent.  Conflating the two as equal (on multiple levels) is piss poor and confusing to many....not to mention flat out wrong and destructive to the physical economy humans need to survive let alone have a functioning economy at large.

'Hard decisions' = code word for making the people pay for the fraud.

None of that is needed.  The hard decision is the easy decision.  Take the economy back from the imperial monetarists and focus it back onto the legitimate.  The physical economy is real, monetarism isn't.

Our problems are structural *and ideology based...monetary ideology. We legitimized fraud.  We let it impact the legitimate to poison it.  Cancel the fraud, cancel the poison from the legitimate with haircuts.  It's so fucking simple to understand, and the solutions are quite easy to understand as well.   Especially here in the USA because we are FOUNDED on being anti-monetarist and physical economy based.

The founding fathers weren't Keynesian, they weren't Austrian.  Because they weren't monetarists.  Those schools are MONETARY schools.  Monetarism is an IDEOLOGY where all the branches of monetarism are still tethered to the root bullshit.

We've also been in the throws of monetary induced depressions before, and we used Glass-Steagall to sort things out before, when monetarists ran amok relatively similarly to what we are currently enjoying.

Thus....

Impeach Obama

Glass-Steagall

American Credit System

...not bullshit 'hard choices' and wrongfully combining all 'spending' by gov'ts as the same, as well as the impact of the monetary folly on skewing what 'debt' needed to be created for legitimate purposes because the monetarists folly created dollars inflated the amount that needed to be created to service the legitimate physical economy.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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So basically what you're saying is that the world (at least financially) is operating via a false premise, and every "official" explanation/solution is based on this false premise aka monetarism?

I think you make some great points.  I have to admit that I haven't done much reading about a "credit system".  Would Lincoln's "greenbacks" be an example of this?  How does this system work in a nutshell?  What is the unit of exchange backed by?

I would love to read more extensively about credit systems, but I have a huge stack of geo-political books to read, first!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 07:10 | Link to Comment MFL8240
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Can someone tell me the purpose in American workers paying taxes to a goverment that can create Trillions at will?  This whole situation makes no sense anymore.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 07:27 | Link to Comment gridlocked
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I'd love to see this in the Fed's job description.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 07:37 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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So, what? The EU will declare USD legal tender?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 08:25 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Sure the Fed can print.... Then Obama, Congress, and Senate will send nice fat checks to the middle and lower classes to insure re-election...

"Let them eat cake"- the 300 year-updated version.....

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Everyman
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And these idiots (proposing endless bailouts and debt forgiveness) are not asking to be shot in the fucking head?

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