Final Q3 GDP Misses As Personal Consumption Drops Big

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Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:48 | 2003804 Schmuck Raker
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The resumption of consumption was an assumption...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:49 | 2003807 Temporalist
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Bernanke's got the fix in 15 minutes...after he tells people to spend more and tries to drive them from savings...which will take longer...but no more than 15 minutes after that.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:33 | 2004064 economics1996
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The “growth” in the USA last quarter can be summed up as follows. The GDP “increased” 2.0% and the Gross Domestic Income, what we are actually earning, grew at a 0.3% pace. You do the math.

I get so fucking tired of having to dig through the Ministry of Truth's numbers and find what is real these days.  Fucking bull shit.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:52 | 2004128 economics1996
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If anyone is interested here is a study of how government growth retards real economic growth (the part of the economy where people produce real things) 0.5% to 1% per 10% of government growth.

The printing has all been our parasite politicians wanting a free ride.  We are approaching our King Louis XVI period in our history.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:13 | 2003860 The Limerick King
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With numbers that fake our consumption

So that liars can claim growth resumption

When truth finally hits

And makes cognitive fits

Enslavment's the only assumption


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:28 | 2003902 TheSilverJournal
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As we all know, GDP is not a good measure. Here are some of the problems with GDP.

The Problem with GDP

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:44 | 2003949 eureka
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 - but, but, but Bloomberg says there were 4,000 less initial jobless claims and that the slow down in firings will form the base for increased consumption, which drives the US economy....

Bloomberg is soooo educational and poooositive.... - and surely this good news and positive attotude will drive stocks up today...

Hopium and lies for dummies - stuff of Empire, Bitchez!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:36 | 2004075 economics1996
Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:50 | 2003808 HelluvaEngineer
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Why can't the algos figure out that this is bullish?  Time to buy more CMG!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:02 | 2003832 firstdivision
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Fuck CMG, its all about LULU

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:50 | 2003809 search
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Leading some to a resumption of stock dumption

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:50 | 2003810 espirit
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If one should put a negative (-) sign in front of those numbers...

it's bullish, right?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:42 | 2004094 economics1996
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Y = C+I-G+NX.  Correct.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:51 | 2003813 Everybodys All ...
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and that's what 5 trillion more in debt gets these days?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:06 | 2003845 Sudden Debt
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Next time will be better

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:39 | 2003935 Temporalist
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It wasn't enough.  Just ask Paul "I Wish I Were In A Twilight Zone Episode" Krugman.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:10 | 2003853 John Law Lives
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Imagine where GDP would be if a balanced budget had been required during the last 5 years.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:20 | 2003878 fuu
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A smoking hole in the ground?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:24 | 2003887 John Law Lives
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A black whole... which is where the 99ers reside after their unemployment benefits expire.

Corporate EPS growth is under strain in many sectors.  It is not believable that companies are about to begin a massive hiring spree.  

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:44 | 2004104 economics1996
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A balanced budget accomplishes nothing.  Federal spending has to be restricted to no more than 18% of the GDP, preferably 11%, killing the social programs completely.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:57 | 2004140 economics1996
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Clinton 18.2%, Bush II 20.7%, Obama 25.3%.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:40 | 2004248 John Law Lives
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My point was that GDP would have been substantially lower without the trillions in deficit spending over the past 5 years.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 00:35 | 2006430 ThrivingAdmistC...
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Non-existent since social programs would be cut to the bone and nobody would have any money to spend on anything.  Moreover, if we had to live by a balanced budget for 5 years, we would've had a deflationary economic collapse by now.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:52 | 2003815 Dick Darlington
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No no no, can't u see, it's all good. Actually, to quote, it's "great news for the eCONomy".

Dec. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Drop to 364k last week (est 380k)
“is great news” for the economy, could point to big payroll
gains, writes Ian Shepherdson, economist at High Frequency
Economics, in note.
• "Robust sales growth’’ is bolstering business confidence, limiting job cuts: Shepherdson
• If sustained, data point to private payroll gains of about 200k; could be as much as 250k if growth picks up and job cuts slow by end of 1Q: Shepherdson

And there u have it. It doesn't matter what the fudged numbers are, it's always "great news" and very bullish.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 12:21 | 2004198 rwe2late
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I'll see your "great news", and raise a "surprisingly healthier" ...

according to AP:

“The job market is healthier. Americans are spending lustily on holiday gifts. A long-awaited turnaround for the depressed housing industry may be under way. Gas is cheaper. Factories are busier. Stocks are higher.

the economy has grown faster each quarter this year [my italics], and the last three months should be the best.

Most analysts now rule out another recession. They think the economy will grow at an annual rate of more than 3 percent from October through December.”

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:53 | 2003816 Esso
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Crappin' out, bitchez!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:56 | 2003819 Irish66
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People are returning their black friday purchases due to no money..can't wait for those numbers

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:02 | 2003833 jay28elle
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Yep, have a friend who manages a Target in Dayton, Ohio...  said the returns on bigger ticket items from Black Friday are outpacing their worst expectations.  A bud of mine bought a 50" plasma from HH Gregg, took it back a week later - feeling guilty about spending when he should be saving.


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 14:42 | 2004706 Non Passaran
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Yep, numbers were on few days ago, I think this year's returns were estimated to be 21% higher or something (2011 vs. 2010)

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:28 | 2004051 roadhazard
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I heard $7 Bil. so far a week or so ago.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:59 | 2003822 Jlmadyson
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So for the year GDP has run at 1.1%. I don't think anyone predicted that last year. Right at the tipping point and really Q1 and Q2 should be lower. Will they ever change that? Doubt it. Pathetic.

Anyhow, how can anyone say the US economy is being resilient with these kind of numbers? Ain't much better than all of Euroland.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:47 | 2004115 economics1996
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The GDP is propaganda.  The only "growth" is borrowing and spending by the feds.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:57 | 2003824 High Plains Drifter
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ok already. we told you we were sorry about double counting some of those house sales..........

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:36 | 2004076 mayhem_korner
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here comes the inventory kicker, which subtracted just 1.35% instead of the 1.55% seen previously


Reverse channel stuffing.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:59 | 2003825 ucsbcanuck
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Bullshi... I mean bullish - nearly messed up there!

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 09:59 | 2003826 BandGap
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I. for one, am pleased that it was a positive number. The last thing our country needs is a recession/depression.



Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:00 | 2003827 firstdivision
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The sad part is that they take that as an invitation for QE3.  The idiots do not understand that when QE ends so does consumption. 

[integral]QE dx

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:01 | 2003830 High Plains Drifter
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and oh before i forget.............happy chanukah to everyone.........


who loves you baby?



Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:03 | 2003834 Caviar Emptor
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Biflation: GDP grinds a little lower yet (1.8 from 2.0) , while final GDP price index grinds a little higher (2.6 from 2.5). Perfect. Happy Holidays

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:02 | 2003835 TooBearish
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Lookit claims are down this thing ready to ROCK!!!!  JOe Kernan said so...

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:04 | 2003839 Caviar Emptor
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Every year same BS: they defer the counting to January. 

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:04 | 2003838 search
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This has got to be, in the wake of $2 trillion bernanke bucks, a sign that fed printing will not lead the personal consumption index higher (nor house prices) but merely shift power to inflation hedged oil producing countries, no?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:05 | 2003840 NOTW777
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only in an affirmative action obama economy can talking heads spew the spin that these numbers are wonderful.  according to their logic if GDP trends down to 1.5 things will really be looking up.  cramer and friends continuing to tout the "improving" economy

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:05 | 2003842 RobotTrader
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As usual.....


Gold and silver are the first items dumped over the side when a horrific GDP number is released.



- U.S. Dollars

- U.S. Treasuries

- Shopping Mall REITs

- Specialty retailers like CMG

Did I miss anything?

Might as well call General Jim to see if he will hold my hand.


Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:14 | 2003862 High Plains Drifter
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Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:27 | 2003898 fuu
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RobotTrader, the Barclays of Zero Hedge.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:27 | 2003900 kito
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hows that "consumer stronger than ever" thing working out for you robo?

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 11:13 | 2004019 SoNH80
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Deflationary pressures in a recession, that's defensible.  But loading up on Shopping Mall REITs?  And Chipolte, the absurdly overvalued (52 P/E) vendor of overpriced tacos?????  You are able to make two contradictory arguments in a single post, and you ain't no genius, son.  Quit dosing on the California medicine, move to Stockton, and start encountering Real Life.

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:06 | 2003843 Alex Kintner
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OT: Matt Taibbi blog article - Obama and Geithner: Government, Enron-Style

Matt nails both their sorry asses for covering up the massive fraud...

This is exactly what Obama and Geithner are doing now. By continually lying about the extent of the country’s corruption problems, they’re adding fraud to fraud and raising such a great bonfire of lies that they probably won’t ever be able to fix the underlying mess.

Read more:

Thu, 12/22/2011 - 10:10 | 2003850 Captain Kink
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Imagine a world with no "growth". A world where we are not dependant on growth to keep increased debt (money creation) going and sustainable.  What if we had sound money?  and corporations and individuals either succeed or failed in growing their "earnings" based solely on merit (improved performance) and not on levered individuals and institutions artificially increasing every metric that our scorecards are now based on? The higher "scores" have nothing to do with realilty.  All this  supposed wealth and progress is a total fiction and without meaning.  The game is rigged at every level.  We  (and government)have cheated continuously and lied to ouselves for decades.  Living standards improve only to the extent that productivity increases and NOTHING ELSE.  

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