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Find Out If Your Apple Device Was Among The 12 Million Units Hacked And Tracked By The FBI

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Several hours ago, the latest hacker group to gain prominence, AntiSec, a subset of Anonymous, disclosed that it had obtained the confidential user data contained in some some 12 million Apple units after hacking an FBI Dell Vostro notebook computer, "used by Supervisor Special Agent Christopher K. Stangl from FBI Regional Cyber Action Team and New York FBI Office Evidence Response Team was breached using the AtomicReferenceArray vulnerability on Java" which contined a file titled NCFTA_iOS_devices_intel.csv, which "turned to be a list of 12,367,232 Apple iOS devices including Unique Device Identifiers (UDID), user names, name of device, type of device, Apple Push Notification Service tokens, zipcodes, cellphone numbers, addresses, etc. the personal details fields referring to people appears many times empty leaving the whole list incompleted on many parts." In other words, the FBI had the personal data of a substantial number of Apple device users, certainly all of which had been obtained without prior permission. Naturally the question here is why on earth does the FBI have this data, and as TNW suggests, "They published the UDID numbers to call attention to suspicions that the FBI used the information to track citizens. Much of the personal data has been trimmed, however, with the hackers claiming to have left enough for “a significant amount of users” to search for their devices." AntiSec has subsequently released one million of these UUIDs and their associated data. Find out if your device is on the list as explained below.

First, courtesy of, here is a simple process to find out what the specific number is.

And then, with UDID in hand, go here:

Or, for those who are uncomfortable using the internet for uplink purposes, can use the following instructions on how to download the full list, via Anonymous:

Download links:
first check the file MD5:
(lol yes, a "1337" there for the lulz, God is in the detail)
then decrypt the file using openssl:
openssl aes-256-cbc -d -a -in file.txt -out decryptedfile.tar.gz
password is:
then uncompress:
tar -xvzf decryptedfile.tar.gz
and then check file integrity using the MD5 included in the password u used to decrypt before:


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Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:37 | 2761027 prains
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GESTAPO  bitchez

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:44 | 2761047 tenpanhandle
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the justice department is rotten to the core.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:44 | 2761065 Precious
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That makes sense.  Send your private ID over an insecure internet connection.  Why not?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:46 | 2761080 Ahmeexnal
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Your device UDID might have been leaked
Yes please, come and try get me you morons.
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:48 | 2761088 Dr. Richard Head
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Looks like all my screams of "AlQeada, 911, suicide bomber, bin laden, bin laden. etc, etc" did not put me on their watchlist.  MUST TRY HARDER!!!!!!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2761102 redpill
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Ironic that the main institution we need protection from via the 4th Amendment is the same entity that has no qualms about absolutely ignoring it.

The Constitution is not just dead, it's a rotted, maggoty corpse that has been skullfucked by jackbooted thugs.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:56 | 2761122 Cognitive Dissonance
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"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;"

And we thought they were only kidding about the "domestic" part. The sad irony is that they will recite this oath as they jail (or worse) the truth speakers.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:01 | 2761152 JPM Hater001
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I didnt make the list either.

I tried so hard.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:11 | 2761194 Mark Carney
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Let me see, hhhmmm NOPE. My Blackberry was not hacked.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:18 | 2761226 Agent P
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Neither was my LG flip phone.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:23 | 2761245 Ahmeexnal
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But I bet your StarTac is on the list!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:29 | 2761283 MillionDollarBonus_
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The only people who have anything to worry about are doomer libertarians preparing a coup, or silverbug preppers planning a terror attack or trying to undermine our currency with “liberty dollars”. Normal people have nothing to hide, which is why it is only extreme conspiracy theorists and right wing freaks that get angry about this. 

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:00 | 2761413 WhiteNight123129
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Ah, this is the MDB we all know. MDB at his best!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 18:06 | 2762095 New_Meat
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I'm betting that the pussy junksta who junked you disagrees that this is MDB's "best".  His best is none too good.

- Ned

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 19:31 | 2762476 MagicHandPuppet
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I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad that my iPhone didn't get found in their list.  It really should have been there as I take pride in wasting resources of the machine yet don't particularly like the ways their crosshairs feel on my back.  But, by entering my phone's UDID and then clicking "Check", I feel a little bit like I just raw-dawgged a prostitute.  I'm a little worried it might burn when I pee in a couple of days.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 21:29 | 2762918 TwoShortPlanks
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Unless you're a latex Hand Puppet I'd say you're fucked.

Quick, send your PMs to me where I'll keep them safe and sound.

Think twice before you CLICK!

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 06:13 | 2763695 MisterMousePotato
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Holy shit. I just green arrowed MDB. The times, they are a changin'.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 21:24 | 2762898 TwoShortPlanks
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I name all of my BlueTooth connections as 'Osama Bin Laden' that bad????

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 23:27 | 2763187 blunderdog
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awesome mental

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:52 | 2761574 Jackagain
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Yeah MDB...that's what most Germans said when they were rounding up the Jews...

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:19 | 2761656 n8dawg84
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Sadly, this is the view of many US sheeple who are brainwashed by TPTB.  My father-in-law says, "If you don't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide".  His opinion doesn't change after I explain to him that simply having 7 days of food in your house makes you a potential terrorist.  You'd think that bit of info would be relevant since they are an Italian family.  When I give my father the same explanation he says, "That's ridiculous because then they would be targeting everyone". 

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:55 | 2761817 whstlblwr
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My point of view is let's make it worth their while. Don't bore the FBI.

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 01:17 | 2763416 UncleFurker
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Does your father-in-law have curtains on his windows?



Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:57 | 2761823 DaddyO
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Pity the morons who upvoted MDB, sarcasm or not!



Wed, 09/05/2012 - 06:18 | 2763702 Ar-Pharazôn
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MDB who give you the monthly check?



Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:23 | 2761249 Popo
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Right, so who's going to jail for breaking the law and tapping citizens illegally?

Oh... No one.

Ok, so who's losing their jobs?

Oh... No one.

Well at least the hackers are being considered national heroes for ending this clearly illegal operation against the people.

Oh... They're not?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:19 | 2761229 Ahmeexnal
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Ted Kaczynski for president.
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:05 | 2761614 machineh
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Better Ted K. than rent boy Romney, who's workin' the glory hole in the men's room at AIPAC's convention:

Mitt Romney released a statement Tuesday afternoon, criticizing the Democratic platform for removing the Jerusalem language:


“It is unfortunate that the entire Democratic Party has embraced President Obama’s shameful refusal to acknowledge that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital. Four years of President Obama’s repeated attempts to create distance between the United States and our cherished ally have led the Democratic Party to remove from their platform an unequivocal acknowledgment of a simple reality. As president, I will restore our relationship with Israel and stand shoulder to shoulder with our close ally.”

Translation: 'As president, I will suck Netanyahu's dick.'

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:13 | 2761205 BlueCollaredOne
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Remember those 500 words that the government tracks?

Use them more frequently.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:20 | 2761214 Cognitive Dissonance
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Still trying to use George Carlin's seven words on a daily basis.

<Mom, I promise I won't use those words anymore. Please.........just pick up the phone.>

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 19:53 | 2762595 dugorama
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lost my copy, please re-provide the link to the words.  i'll put them in as tags on everything i do from now on, i promise

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 20:47 | 2762788 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Christopher Stangl Stellar Wind Jon Corzine gyrotron semtex Emile Autouri homeland gulag signals intelligence Julie Newmar Fort Meade thermobaric Hedy Lamarr terror bomb Farrah Fawcett anthrax Guantanamo shopping mall AIPAC gloryhole polonium Charles Nelson Reilly claymore mine Dirty Sanchez grenade launcher lutefisk IED assassinate Studebaker Hoch hijack Al Qaida Joyce DeWitt ricin SMERSH electromagnetic pulse Wink Martindale Hezbollah Federal Reserve CIA border Mossad Lady Gaga detonator Lemmiwinks Santorum calutron June Foray plutonium Juarez Bank for International Settlements Cayman Islands Netanyahu buttplug MANPADS nuclear trigger Cleveland Steamer crop duster Howard Cosell Forex Myrna Loy Fx Trading borax LMAX parrot and parakeet training tape International Monetary Fund carbuncle RPG clostridium Olde Frothingslosh ebola Joey Heatherton Dimona smuggle roachclip Butthole Surfers bongwater National Reconnaissance Office Don Rickles Backstreet Boys jimsonweed Edward G. Robinson steganography Lily Langtry Captain Beefheart 27B-6 Lee van Cleef kaopectate


...pardon me.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:01 | 2761154 eatthebanksters
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I don't have to look...I write disparaging shit about big bankers and politicians on ZH...I know I'm on the list. 

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 18:10 | 2762111 New_Meat
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and your handle, leaving no doubt, will be the cause of your incarceration for psychotic disorders.  I've heard (especially from that Rusty fellow) that my uncle and others are (were) tasty.  Bankstaz?  I have no knowledge if they would be good eats.

- Ned

{Good preventive action, getting the psychotic out into the public domain before they come afta' all y'all.}

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:42 | 2761333 ejmoosa
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Be damn sure Eric Holder has no problem with any of this.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:43 | 2761545 Bananamerican
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"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;"

well, the domestics are soooo much easier to get to....AND you can still head over to Chili's for lunch!!! That way you can still keep amerika safe from its own citizens while enjoying delicious snacks, perks, benies etc, paid for by those same Constitution citing persons of interest.

they works hard fo' the money.

So many little time

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:00 | 2761146 Financial_Guard...
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Don't fear. The list is either Obama's campaign donor list or the member list of the LinkedIn Socialist Club.

The FBI had it because Obama wanted to thank them either way...

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:04 | 2761167 JohnKozac
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"All for the Good and Glory of the Crown."

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:20 | 2761488 Paul Bogdanich
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Sure we spy on you, for your own good of course, but please support President Obama's re-election campaign because of all he has done for us.  I don't happen to be gay so as near as I can tell he has done precious little.  That said the mouth breather segment of the Republican Party (a strong 60%) is even worse.  What a great system.  Faux choice at every election.  This whole system is sooooo roten its just disgusting. 

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:09 | 2761619 I am more equal...
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Its not that the constitution is dead it is the adherence to it that is dead.  Situational ethics rule.  No absolutes.  Don't like the definition, change it.  Change we can believe in.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:54 | 2761105 hedgeless_horseman
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“Hello. My name is special agent Chris Stangl of the New York city field office of the FBI. Today more than ever we need individuals with computer science backgrounds to join the FBI.”

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:57 | 2761135 Fukushima Sam
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That guy will be needing a new job!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:33 | 2761286 hedgeless_horseman
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That guy will be needing a new job!


No, he may be demoted, but the Ministry of Love does not like to have any alumni out looking for work.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:10 | 2761620 mkhs
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You morons.  FBI is civil service.  He'll get promoted and a bonus/medal/commendation.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 20:50 | 2762794 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ding Ding Ding!!!! Winner!!!

Competence quits, incompetence is promoted.

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 01:20 | 2763420 UncleFurker
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Yep. He'll fail upwards, just not as far as GWB did.



Tue, 09/04/2012 - 18:54 | 2762313 Quantum Nucleonics
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He's probably already been re-assigned to the FBI field office in Barrow, Alaska.

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 06:27 | 2763709 Ar-Pharazôn
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yeh... a guy who's working for the govn. that will loose his job?


yeh keep dreaming

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:03 | 2761163 Cognitive Dissonance
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Looks like a child sexual predator to me. Check the bumps on his head for proof. I understand that all pre-verts have receding hairlines and shiny foreheads. Looks guilty to me.

He must hate our freedom.


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 20:31 | 2762730 jumbo maverick
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Look at his picture he could pass as cass sunstein's little brother.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:51 | 2761109 Ahmeexnal
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Or just try screaming in front of some gestapo TSA officer.

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 06:16 | 2763699 Ar-Pharazôn
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that day could be not so far. and a 10 man swat team will make you shit in your pants

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2761103 The Shootist
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Guess I won't be checking that one. There is a part of me that feels paranoid about big sis watching me though.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:55 | 2761127 NewWorldOrange
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It's not just Big Sis/Big Bro. If you use a PC, a cell phone, a land line phone, or anything else that's "connected", you're watched/listened to/tracked/analyzed. Where do you suppose the FBI got the data?


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:27 | 2761251 Cognitive Dissonance
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Remember that Dept of Justice case against Microsoft (supposedly their Internet Explorer was a monopoly) way back when? At first I was very surprised that the Justice Dept let Microsoft off so easy. But after some thought I strongly suspected "they" convinced Microsoft to open up their OS to back doors for the NSA/CIA/FBI/DOD etc.

The rest of the tech crowd just sort of fell in place after that.

Many people called me a conspiracy kook back then. Now........well, it's a different story.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:49 | 2761368 pods
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Fell into place like a good cup of COFEE in the morning.


Wed, 09/05/2012 - 06:29 | 2763711 Ar-Pharazôn
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just a bit of gasoline and a lighter will solve the problemzzzzzz


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:31 | 2761294 LeisureSmith
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A message to anyone listening.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:05 | 2761427 ejmoosa
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I am ready to start pushing back against these companies that are working hand in hand with the government.

We are empowering the very folks who want to enslave us.




Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:17 | 2761647 Chuck Walla
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We are empowering the very folks who want to enslave us.


Why, all the Nazi's needed was a financial crisis to take power... Hey, wait a minute.... 


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:07 | 2761441 hannah
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big brother was watching back in the 1980's with

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 17:11 | 2761876 max2205
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Tue, 09/04/2012 - 17:10 | 2761861 TWSceptic
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That makes sense.  Send your private ID over an insecure internet connection.  Why not?


They can't do anything with it. It's not like a password or anything.


OT: sick.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:03 | 2761164 q99x2
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Rotten to the handler of the holder.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:26 | 2761262 sgt_doom
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And don't forget this most excellent report:


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:02 | 2761422 Van Halen
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How - HOW could this possibly happen with such transparency and hope and change? The idea that this administration stands idly by while its stormtroopers bring their heels down on us all! After promising us that they would NEVER be like the last administration - that wanted to look at our library records! HOW?!


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:47 | 2761558 Manthong
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I don't know.. seems pretty transparent to me right now..

and that's just fine with this crew in place.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:48 | 2761561 Overfed
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If O'bomb-a is 're-elected', it will be different. Really. /s

If Ro-money is 'elected, it will be different. Really. /s


We're fucked.

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 06:34 | 2763717 Ar-Pharazôn
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the system corrupted everything long ago. we're fucked since centuries

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:00 | 2761147 slaughterer
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NOOOO! My entire life has been hacked by the FBI/CIA through my iPhone!   I need a Samsung S3 before they get tken off the market.  

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:16 | 2761220 max2205
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12Million...thats not the 99%, it's the .005%

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 17:51 | 2762045 Carmagnole
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try 4% instead

like the percentage of people intervening in a dangerous situation instead of passively observing

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 20:35 | 2762742 jumbo maverick
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Not too long ago Samsung got caught
They were. Selling all their computers with a program that let them monitor your every keystroke

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:13 | 2761210 overbet
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Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:52 | 2761379 TheCanadianAustrian
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I downvoted but it had nothing to do with the list.

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 01:06 | 2761740 overbet
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just curious how many of this blogs readers are on the list. i down voted you for being a douche with your valueless post

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:09 | 2761449 slaughterer
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I am on the list, and so is my teenage boy.  

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 01:05 | 2762379 overbet
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not on

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 17:46 | 2762024 lemonobrien
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"I know nothing."

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:37 | 2761028 Joe Sixpack
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They're going after the low hanging fruit.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:41 | 2761051 Xibalba
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Good thing I have a DROID....  rooted of course. 

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:51 | 2761108 BlueCollaredOne
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Yea, Im glad that Google doesn't track. That's a false duopoly my friend, akin to Pepsi VS Coke.  

It doesn't matter, if the phone manufacturers didn't track the providers would.  

Get used to it, we are being watched.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:01 | 2761153 Ima anal sphincter
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......we are ALL being watched.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:19 | 2761231 I only kill chi...
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Blue Collar, do you know what a "rooted" android is?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:26 | 2761261 Xibalba
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doubt it.  these finance dopes are always late.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:28 | 2761276 BlueCollaredOne
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I do.  

I have a rooted galaxy tablet.  It allows me to install some third party apps, improve how the hardware functions, and customize my interface more than Samsung wants me too.  

However, all my web activity still goes through Verizon so therefore it is still tracked.  


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:03 | 2761161 NewWorldOrange
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Spot on. If you're connected, nothing is private. Snitches all around us too (Infragard has gotten really big, BTW, and most have never heard of it.) Does anyone doubt that APPLE gave this data to the FBI, and that every other telecomm provider does the same as a routine matter?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 16:05 | 2761612 seek
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No shit about false duopoly. You want entertainment, proxy your internet connection throught a linux box, and run "tcpdump" on the local interface with a wifi access point attached. Then turn on your android phone, diable cellular access and turn on wifi access.

You will find your phone is regularly contacting google with scads of encrypted packets, even with the phone sitting idle for days. Direct to google's servers, and it's not normal dns/keepalive type traffic.

I've had to kill off at least a half-dozen processes to get the thing to slow to a trickle.

Trust me, android and google are fucking you over just as much as iphones and Apple is, if not more.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 21:05 | 2762834 cgbspender
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I didn't expect to see an O'Reilly avatar on zero hedge.

Good point though, it's all part of full spectrum dominance:

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 17:25 | 2761936 lotsoffun
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i'm reading all this stuff on this thread - and well - at least somebody is employed.  they are keeping people employed.  the problem is, at times they have to 'escalate' - because they can't just sit there and watch, waiting for somebody to do something 'wrong'.  it's sad.


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 17:33 | 2761970 putaipan
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that's what always gets many people are employed doing this shit? and therefore are bound to the beast? what percentage of americans are hide bound to threats of jail time by non-disclosure agreements? 20%? 30%? more?!?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 20:51 | 2762798 FeralSerf
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Just think what the unemployment rate would be if it wasn't for all those people watching us.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:37 | 2761033 mjorden
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Red State bitchez.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:41 | 2761050 misterb4096
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"I got 'em Daddy"!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:07 | 2761430 Zero Govt
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do you mean Go-Daddy?

..they shuttered a blokes website with 24hrs notice on the (unproven) accusations of an Obumma hate committee.. it seems even private companies like Go-Daddy are prepared to bend over backwards, shaft their customers on the basis of guilty until proven innocent 

get to know small businesses that like you hate Govt corruption and not big spineless Corpse that do the Govts bidding without giving you respect to answer

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:39 | 2761037 SolidSnake961
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transitory tracking for purely (insert bullshit reason) purposes

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:06 | 2761171 NewWorldOrange
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"(insert bullshit reason)"



Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:39 | 2761038 Carmagnole
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Mayhem, mayhem everywhere

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:39 | 2761040 Pairadimes
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I think some of these hackers need to "have their epidermis breached using the speeding lead projectile vulnerability of the human cranium".

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:42 | 2761055 tenpanhandle
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do you mean the fbi hackers who hack into every citizens private lives?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:46 | 2761078 BlueCollaredOne
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Those hackers exposed that the FBI is wasting a shit load of money tracking 12 million people who's most sinister activity probably consists of maybe getting high every now and then.  

As if anyone actually plotting to do anything was on the grid...


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:56 | 2761130 pods
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Not only are they ON the grid, they are more than likely ON the payroll of some alphabet agency.


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:30 | 2761287 Cognitive Dissonance
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Considering how many so-called terrorists have had the "help" of the FBI (etc) even the terminally blind are beginning to "see" this.

FBI agent # 1: "How do you find a terrorist?"

FBI agent # 2: "You create one out of thin air."

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:28 | 2761273 Dapper Dan
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Here you go friends,

FBI: We need wiretap-ready Web sites - now



May 4, 2012 9:24 AM PDT

CNET learns the FBI is quietly pushing its plan to force surveillance backdoors on social networks, VoIP, and Web e-mail providers, and that the bureau is asking Internet companies not to oppose a law making those backdoors mandatory.


Good God! It just never freakin' ends! They might as well just post an agent to live with everyone.

When is this insanity going to end?


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:36 | 2761312 Uncle Remus
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When is this insanity going to end?

I think you already know the answer to that question.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:41 | 2761327 WaterWings
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But let us be generous. We will not shoot them. We will not pour salt water into them, nor bury them in bedbugs, nor bridle them up into a "swan dive," nor keep them on sleepless "stand-up" for a week, nor kick them with jackboots, nor beat them with rubber truncheons, nor squeeze their skulls with iron rings, nor push them into a cell so that they lie atop one another like pieces of baggage - we will not do any of the things they did! But for the sake of our country and our children we have the duty to seek them all out and bring them all to trial! Not to put them on trial so much as their crimes. And to compel each one of them to announce loudly:


"Yes, I was an executioner and a murderer."
--The Gulag Archipelago

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 20:57 | 2762814 FeralSerf
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I'll take an updated version of Agent 99 (Barbara Feldon).

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2761093 earnyermoney
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Funny if you ask me. I might have a device on the list. These guys are fighting fascism.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:40 | 2761043 bugs_
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etc - great keyword for this subject!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:40 | 2761044 BlueCollaredOne
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Im not going to bother checking. I've accepted that that I am most likely monitored, as are probably every single one of you reading this post.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:42 | 2761061 tenpanhandle
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i'm not reading this.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:59 | 2761139 lakecity55
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Wow! Where am I? How did I get on this website?

I was on my way to the mosque to pray to O.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:06 | 2761172 Abraxas
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I thought this was a gardening website. I have some issues with my overgrown hedge, so I thought zerohedge...

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:33 | 2761298 Skateboarder
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This is by far the funniest comment I've seen here.

"With some long enough scissors, the length of every hedge drops to zero."

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:42 | 2761338 WaterWings
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At my trial:

They hacked my IP! I didn't read ZeroHedge. Somebody else did!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:45 | 2761349 WaterWings
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Actually, I'm proud to DECLARE that I read and comment on ZeroHedge. FOREVER!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:42 | 2761335 Dapper Dan
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I lost my laptop and phone in a canoe accident near the Marianas Trench.

A friend is typing this for me as I dictate comment to him over a land line, from a reef break in Tahiti, called Teahupoo,

Biggest Teahupoo ever, shot on the Phantom camera.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:24 | 2761496 Temporalist
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Great video!  Thanks for sharing that.  I thought I saw Derek Ho catch one of the best tubes ever but those aren't just tubes they're water walls.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:14 | 2761469 msmith9962
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Plausible deniability?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:35 | 2761306 Skateboarder
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Someone else read it for you.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:44 | 2761066 madcows
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you're on the shortlist for domestic terrorists, no doubt.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:44 | 2761069 fonzannoon
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i pay my taxes and my other bills and at the end of the day i am a sheep in an angry sheeps clothing. if they have a problem with me we are all done.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:58 | 2761138 pods
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I assume that anything electronic is or can be monitored.


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:08 | 2761176 Dr. Engali
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I read a post of yours last week that recommended watching "The Money Masters". Thanks for the recommendation, I included that in my weekend activities. It was highly worth it.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:13 | 2761200 pods
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Bill Still is a VERY smart man.  Although the original series is a bit dated, the message is sound.  

When it hit me about keeping ahead of the increasing interest, everything made sense.

I think he has a newer series as well.  I will have to rewatch them.

(Bill was actually running for the Libertarian nomination, he got about as far as RP.)  

When it clicks it really shatters your whole belief system, but it makes seeing anything in a critical light easier, and got me thinking better.


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:20 | 2761236 Dr. Engali
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What got me is how deep and pervasive the central banking cabal runs. It make me wonder if society will ever break free from their grip.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:37 | 2761315 pods
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Society will break free only if there is a collapse.  

Government LOVES central banking.  They get to deficit spend and pay back the interest with devalued units.

Whenever I hear of a whore (politician) speak of deficits, balanced budgets, etc. I know they are full of shit.

It is a beautiful system if you are inside it.  Making money off the sweat of every prole trying to stay ahead of compounding interest.

As a society, we would be SO much futher ahead if we were not slaves to paying interest on counterfeit credit.

I saw one breakdown about who makes $$ on a house.  They broke it down with the lifetime payment of the mortgage, building costs, etc.
Turns out the one who made the VAST majority of the money on the house was a bank who created funny credit money to fund the mortgage.

I just hope that someday society can evolve to a point where as soon as someone suggests letting banks create credit money at interest,  backed by the taxing power of the state, someone promptly puts a bullet through their head.


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:05 | 2761434 Ima anal sphincter
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The last sentence is the absolute truth.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:50 | 2761560 margaris
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I think society is already there... most people just dont give a damn or have no time to care, because they are scrambling to pay their bills and survive.

Thats why we have the money masters.... they occupy a void that most people dont even know exists: the conception of money! Who creates it?

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
- Henry Ford


“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”
- Abraham Lincoln

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

And some of the bad guys:

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

“Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild


"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany


We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."
- Bill Clinton, USA Today on 3/11/93, page 2a


"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
- Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, l992

Wed, 09/05/2012 - 00:54 | 2763363 matrix2012
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Cool info, margaris.  Your chunk of info is in particular elaborated in Andrew Hitchcock's masterpiece of the World 2.5-Century Timeline, "The History of the House..." and Amanita's "Bilderberg Conference 2010: watch out!"


About Propaganda, Misinformation, Disinformation, Truth & Information Monopoly

-Michael Snyder's "Who Owns The Media? The 6 Monolithic Corporations That Control Almost Everything We Watch, Hear And Read" -

-Eustace Mullins' "Who Owns the TV Networks" -

-H. Michael Sweeney's "Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth" -

-Gary Allen's classic book "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" and other valuable refs -

-Edward L Bernays' classic reference "Propaganda" -

-Andrew Hitchcock's masterpiece of the World 2.5-Century Timeline, "The History of the House..." - or its terser .ppt version:

-Amanita's "Bilderberg Conference 2010: watch out!" -

-A Super Chart that will give you some good ideas on how the world is managed, how far the their power reaches to individuals, institutions, corporations, mass media, broadcasts -

Or a 'more scientific' though much shallower chart, "Who Runs the World" -

-Dr. Carroll Quigley’s book: "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World In Our Time" -

-W. Cleon Skousen's "The Naked Capitalist", a companion guideline to above Quigley’s work -

Skousen’s book is highly recommended because it helps one understand the more salient issues Quigley has documented and puts Quigley’s monstrosity in perspective. Skousen helps the reader to comprehend what Quigley has written and discern Quigley’s biases.



Wed, 09/05/2012 - 06:54 | 2763735 margaris
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thanks for all those links and even downloads... will check them out

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 15:35 | 2761527 margaris
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Bill Still has his own youtube channel, and he is also very readily answering to all comments you post there.

He really sacrifices a lot of time to get his message out.


Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:21 | 2761199 Bob
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They hate us for our privacy.  Nothing breeds eeevil like privacy.  We've got a war to fight against terror . . . and now is not the time to allow superficial objections about "civil rights" to overcome our sacred obligation to fight and win the Great War of Our Time.  And nothing should be more obvious than the fact that the biggest threat is unamericans hiding among us.

FISA will be up for renewal again in December, btw.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:54 | 2761393 resurger
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let them track, fuck them all...

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:43 | 2761052 Dr. Engali
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Who uses software version 4.2.1?  I visit unsavory web sites like the Hedge threrefore I consider myself tracked.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2761095 Ahmeexnal
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iPhone 1?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:41 | 2761053 Abraxas
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This is hardly a ruthless fascist method. Just don't own an Apple device. They'll have to figure out something else.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:43 | 2761058 madcows
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like they haven't got the samsung codes too?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:00 | 2761140 Uncle Remus
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I don't own an iAnything, but I am under the impression these particular identifiers (UDID - as in U did do that..) are unique to Apple IoS devices.

Blackmarket Samsung devices, coming to a swap meet/gun show near you.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:08 | 2761184 BlueCollaredOne
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Like has been said a few times already in this thread, the telecoms are also hand in hand with Big Brother meaning you are still being monitored.  

I mean cmon, even the USATODAY has articles about it back in 2006.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:12 | 2761201 Uncle Remus
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I was merely pointing out that this particular methodology is apparently only applicable to the IoS system. It is assumed (or should be) that if you provide a power source to any recently manufactured consumer-grade telecommunications device, it is going to "phone home".

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:21 | 2761240 BlueCollaredOne
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True, but that still provides a false sense of security.  Take a look under your battery on your Google phone.  See that MEID HEX #?

That's Google's version of what Antisec released.  If this story get's them press Im sure they will expose how 12 million Google phones were also being tracked.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:32 | 2761296 Uncle Remus
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You're preaching to the choir ese.

Blank Reg was right.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:45 | 2761074 earnyermoney
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Ever heard of Google?

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 14:43 | 2761342 WillyGroper
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Better use a fruit jar & a string, smoke signals or carrier pigeons.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:42 | 2761054 madcows
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Well, they were having a real hard time eaves dropping with the domestic drones, so they had to hack the cell phones.  i mean, come on, how else are they going to catch all those terrorists.

Surely, this is for our own protection.

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:52 | 2761115 Darth..Putter
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Q: What's an Eaves dropper?


A: An Icicle

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:43 | 2761060 Laughinggrizzley
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So these fuckers can track my Iphone, but they can't put Jon Corzine in jail?!

Tue, 09/04/2012 - 13:50 | 2761094 kito
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the irony in all of this, is that the the hackers that were hacked by the hackers will go after the hackers for exposing them for hacking............................. 

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