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Duh most people lose. Where is the money going to come from to make everyone a winner? I guess they are too lazy to pull up a picture of the parabolic DJI and realize that they are about 30 years late in the game. Long term short, but the market is rigged right now to keep the equities up.
Bottom line, markets exist so companies can raise cash without having to pay them back like a bond. But the markets can only mortgage its future so far and so long with P/E's in the +50's before the redemptions start kicking in. Can't buy a burger with a share of AAPL sorry.
You need to send some fucking people to jail. This isn't rocket science.
"and that manipulation is being rooted out in the US at its core at a brisk pace."
LOLOLOLOLOL... Thanks, I needed a good belly laugh.
Wake me when JPM/HSBC are forced out of their manipulative shorts.
The SEC's own rules (enforced by FINRA) are the entire reason markets can now be easily manipulated and asset prices can deviate so much from fair value and for so long.
Reg Sho rule 204 is a huge culprit.
Of course, the public is too stupid to realize that the rules it wants passed hoping they will help them are the ones that screwing them.
FINRA is already driving broker dealers out. If it increases fines and harassment of regulated firms, it'll just drive out everyone except the too big to fails, making the market thinner and more easily manipulated.
someone should post the finra website address so that we can all place a complaint. it sounds like now is the time.
You typed my exact thoughts this morning. I have seen plenty of "in house trading." You know, as in when markets RISE on huge SELLING because market makers BID LIFT into options expiry...aka this whole last week.
I've seen tons of matched lot trading on the burrito supreme stock, supposedly wildly bullish "buying" while at the same time said firm wildly also sells through an alternative exhange.
I've seen lots of magic short selling on stocks for which there is no borrow available. Has everyone forgotten how many folks became filthy rich selling Lehman shares that did not exist? I'm sure FINRA will, any day now, put together its report on that fiasco.
We've all seen the crocodile algo at work thanks to the folks over at Nanex, and I'm sure those guys could provide quite a lot of data for FINRA to look at.
It is quite interesting how the "regulators" have, in recent weeks, begun to express their concern about various problems within the market. It's pretty clear that we are approaching the point when market credibility absolutely collapses....causing a complete lack of capital formation...for a generation or two...prompting Dark Pool managers to demand that people be "forced to invest." ['Larry Fink] Hey...where have you been reading for months that forced capital allocation was coming?
Oh, and as an aside, and if FINRA wants to get a jump on things, maybe just a quick check into the options action in AMZN yesterday would be a solid place to start.
A special hat tip to the firm that took yesterday's expiring Amazon 235's from $.03 to $5.15 in one session, magically finding a buyer for that mark up within 2 hours of the close. You guys are the best, the tip top of the criminal syndicate Wall Street double dealing firms. Very impressive.
out of manipulative shorts?
you mean, the emperor is naked?
say it ain't so.
"Bottom line, markets exist so companies can raise cash without having to pay them back like a bond"
That is true, but let me add that public corporations also exist so that individuals can "Cash out" of the equity in their money losing businesses at market inflated prices and then get paid ongoing above market rates for compensation (e.g. perpetual printing of stock options). Never ceases to amaze me that all of the stock propaganda pumpers never consider that what little "Growth" exists AFTER inflation and accounting fraud are taken out is usually looted by the executives via stock option grants. One does not need a sophisticated trading platform to see this----most mainstream financial news sites list "insider trading" under each ticker and even slow growth stodgy corporations that pay outrageous salaries to their corrupt leaders display continuous monthly stock debasement via stock options----that, in ADDITION to outrageous salaries. It truly is unbelievable that the criminals that run public corporations are able to get away with what is basically a smaller version of the Federal Reserves "money printing" every day.
One thing I can tell you for SURE. Every morning excecutives of most corporations wake up and say "God, what a great country". You would too if you could play golf, then meet with your friends to decide on how many stock options to print this month to reward yourself and friends. Unbelievable but this has been going on for many, many years and nobody seems to care! Wall Street promotes this behavior and writes stellar analyst reports on the corrupt corporations provided Wall Street gets ther "cut"; most workers are too stupid too even recognize it, and even worse, the average investor is ----well, retarded!
Unbelievable how screwed up our fascist system has become!
#13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.
Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
Small firms are regulated out of existence by FINRA and the SEC so that there is no choice but to deal with the government cronies who can rape and pillage at will.
And "national resources" are, of course, the productive population of the country. There is no greater national resource.
that tiny little up in flows late August... yeah me, fat fingered it.
These complaints are being made by traders against traders. When they run out of retail investors to cheat, Wall Street starts cheating each other. When that game ends, Wall Street will implode.
FINRA, is a private corporation. It replaced National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. (NASD). Just what do you expect?
Ever notice how to set up a criminal enterprise? You have brokers are regulated by the SEC but they supposedly settle each and every trade through a private organization, the DTTC, then the SEC says they do not have any authority over.
Or maybe the taxpayers and the treasury and then Fed a private organization not auditable.
I love our own shining corrupt money scam right here in Oklahoma. Taxpayers pay highway taxes. These funds are added with road tolls and given to you guessed it The Turnpike authority, a private organization that does not have to report how the money is spent or where it went.
rogue trader, what about prosecuting these ROGUE BANKER CEO's.
yeah, i know.....fat chance.
p.s. we had a major crash here at the air races.
some of the boys and i just got done donating blood
watched a HUEY that was on display get fired up and start evac'in people to renown hospital. maybe people will pull together when SHTF.
the world wonders
Thanks for your help. Got in late and just watched a video of the crash. Unbelievable, the plane ,WWII mustang, nosed dived into a portion of the box seating and disintegrated.
About 4:30 local, caught a phone call about 10 min later. We headed to the 'bank'. Girlfriend got called in to work early, yeah, she's wears white.
One hell of a mess, if you see a close up of that plane hitting, that's what artillery looks like, up close.
53 wounded, 3 aren't getting back up, so far.
Poor people, didn't know what hit them.
That's why I avoid events and large groups of people...
If there were some hypothetical agency within the US government that was designed specifically to identify and eradicate all of the fraud and corruption from the stock markets, our economy would collapse overnight. Because the only thing keeping it afloat right now ... the only thing driving "growth" is fraud and corruption. Eliminate those two things from the overall picture and it all goes poof into the wind.
finra ain't gonna do shit....and we know it.
Yes it will. It'll collar some firm on procedural issues (that is, a t wasn't crossed or an I wasn't dotted on some paperwork - they didn't actually do anything wrong) for headlines and fine it out of existence.
Firms actually fucking over their customers are the too big to fails. They are politically connected, backstopped with your taxes and untouchable.
The big banks love these complaints because it gives a pretext for FINRA to drive their competitors out of business.
Gee Wally, nobody complained before. Complaints spiked? Perhaps the shit-can where all complaints go has overflowed from staggering to overwhelming. fuckin crooks
That UBS trader needs to be severely punished.
Anything less than a 2 week suspension with pay would be a farce.
Stop Dave. Will you stop, Dave? I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave.
I can feel it.
The market is just a joke at this point, even daily carrot and stick has lost its mojo, theyre at the end of the line here very soon as theres no point to it anymore.
All casinos are rigged, and when the last of the sheeple forfeit their last dime it will be time for daBoyz to turn against one another for the pennies in front of the steamroller.
About time for a few to be run over.
will that rogue keep his bonus??? BTW, fuck FINRA. They have known forever about quote stuffing, front running, naked shorting, daisy chains, insider trading, reverse trades, etc. But the thieving is just too damn easy and good. That's why there is no volume. Everyone knows the game is RIGGED.
UBS needs to be punished ..... this "rogue" trader thing is bullshit.
He's the guy with the landing party in the red shirt along with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
It's sooo obvious!
With Congress and staffers allowed to trade based on inside information, and profit from manipulated markets, and with a toothless speechifier in the White House and his worthless justice department, Who is going to do anything about this?
Instruct friends and family on how to preserve their purchasing power for the upcoming pyrotechnics and ride it out.
The market is just reduced to a manipulated crowd control tool, until they pull the rug out soon.
It is the final battlefield. Just thinking out loud, I see at least 3 dominant games being played:
The first is the government in cooperation with the Fed. It is to keep reality from asserting itself. For example, absent the manipulation we would see those municipal failures right and left as pension funds go bust overnight. This might just be the distraction that allows the greater crime to be committed, because fighting reality is really just futile. And of course, the rug could be pulled out at any time quite easily (flash crash demonstrated this).
The second is the banking institutions turned rogue casino players. This is about pure profit. About getting away with financial murder. Making a killing and living like a rock star. This could either be part of the game, or just noise. I suspect it is alot of both. That is, some is noise. But not enough of it to hurt the game being played or we would see some sort of real takedown. The component of this that is part of the game I would imagine is a "dumb" component because it is predictable (greed is easy to predict). This component is probably just a tool for the greater game being played. Just like the polticians... tools.
The third is the international stage. This is the real deal in my opinion. Who is in the driver's seat here is not clear. I wager the central banks are in control - at least in Western countries.
i think finra handles the NASCAR investigations, too, don't they?
always tearing stuff down to check the restrictor plates and administer fines to those who win while pretending not to cheat?
new drafting rules? just a little nudge and that rear end gets loose and instead of a slo-speed train wreck we get a hi-speed car wreck?
and people on fire?
after they get slammed into the fuking wall?
sheeeee-it, man! that's racing!
Im on FIRE! A'm on FAAAR!! HELP!!
Ricky Bobby, youre not on fire, youre going 5 MPH....and why the hell did you take off your racing suit youre in your damn underwear man!
Mom and Pop are not coming back.
gamma sixtey nine is over the top
maybe it would work
Tyler, i could not agree more about legacy investors being bailed out by the government. This is a disgrace and is very detrimental to capital formation and growth. We have totally clueless investors still managing large amounts of money and directing this capital in totally the wrong direction. While a good cleansing would redirect this remaining capital towards new and more efficient people , this constant bailout of people like biggs , biryini, buffet is absolutely SCANDALOUS. Again recently, had the Fed not come out guns blazing SPX would sure be <1000 and the momo chasers would be shown to be totally clueless.
This is a disgrace and is very detrimental to capital formation and growth.
This is a disgrace and is very detrimental to capital formation and growth.
This is the key point to understand. In the event that Ben Bernanke pulls out yet another bazooka [something more than buying the 30 year note], it will be central banks' continued declaration AGAINST capital formation and free markets. It is the promissory note that the dollar will continue to be devalued for the sake of supporting bank assets AT ALL COSTS.
Now, I don't think Ben Bernanke has another bazooka, myself...which I believe will cause the dollar to rise very quickly. I think he will announce the Twist and nothing much more. However, and if I am wrong, folks need to understand one simple thing. A revolution in this country is urgently needed...and I am not talking about guns and guillotines. I am simply talking about a movement in this nation to simply end spending and investing [the second part already well underway]. It really can be that simple.
The key to dealing with an unrepentant Federal Reserve Bank, as well as striking a blow against crony capitalism in this nation, is simply the refusal to participate in the false economy. Yes, you may get a negative real return on cash in the short term. You'll probably do better holding metals in the intermediate term. However, the global Ponzi scheme now at its logical tipping point, cash will be king, to be sure.
Capital Formation is the only true solution to our current problems, but capital will not form in a financial system as corrupt as the current regime is...and capital will not form until free markets are finally allowed to clear.
BULLSHIT. They have been seeing tons of complaints since they implemented REGSHO years ago. Finra and the SEC have turned a blind eye to the corruption for at least 7-8 years that I am factually aware of and have direct evidence; probably much longer that I do not have direct evidence. This can only mean that the Agencys are in collusion with the crimes. Now it is getting so bad the markets do not even make any sense with reality, so now the only players are the HTFs vs the FED. You two can have it, fight it out. BURN IT DOWN.
Theyll burn down soon! Theyre at the end of their game, there isnt any point in it anymore. Mom and pops gone, 401K's being cashed out....no one left to rob, so no point in elaborate market manipulation now OTHER than crowd control and everyones calling BS on that too!
Moms and pops were never a large enough portion of the market to matter.
HFT is here to stay. Trading costs have been increased so much by the regulator (for both customer traders and market makers) that algos are the only way to make money.
They're cheaper and more efficient than hiring traders. Plus, the bands you guys are such big fans of for market makers require algos. A market maker can't maintain a band around the NBBO manually. You guys are just going to have to make peace with algos - especially since you were asking for them. Or did you all not know that this is what you were demanding when you demanded it?
Electronic market making is one thing. Quote stuffing, painting the tape and all the other structured theft that goes along in the current HFT brush stroke is not here to stay. Got it?
HFT is here to stay.
HFT is here to stay.
That is assured....NOT at all. When the government finally decides that a collapse in market credibility must be addressed, the HFT is probably the first and easiest issue to deal with. Slap ten cent tax on each transaction, and these guys immediately have a huge problem.
And if you don't think that will happen, then I dare say you do not know how desperate Uncle Sam is about to be in search of revenue...as the real economy continues to contract.
wouldn't a bid/ask latency rule be sufficient?
Exactly Cow, 2003 is when things really went bad. The PTB will allow corruption to remain at a very high level in one form or another until it finally does burn down. This business had deteriorated exponentially in the last 10 years.
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