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The First Crack: $270 Billion In Student Loans Are At Least 30 Days Delinquent

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Back in late 2006 and early 2007 a few (soon to be very rich) people were warning anyone who cared to listen, about what cracks in the subprime facade meant for the housing sector and the credit bubble in general. They were largely ignored as none other than the Fed chairman promised that all is fine (see here). A few months later New Century collapsed and the rest is history: tens of trillions later we are still picking up the pieces and housing continues to collapse. Yet one bubble which the Federal Government managed to blow in the meantime to staggering proportions in virtually no time, for no other reason than to give the impression of consumer releveraging, was the student debt bubble, which at last check just surpassed $1 trillion, and is growing at $40-50 billion each month. However, just like subprime, the first cracks have now appeared. In a report set to convince borrowers that Student Loan ABS are still safe - of course they are - they are backed by all taxpayers after all in the form of the Family Federal Education Program - Fitch discloses something rather troubling, namely that of the $1 trillion + in student debt outstanding, "as many as 27% of all student loan borrowers are more than 30 days past due." In other words at least $270 billion in student loans are no longer current (extrapolating the delinquency rate into the total loans outstanding). That this is happening with interest rates at record lows is quite stunning and a loud wake up call that it is not rates that determine affordability and sustainability: it is general economic conditions, deplorable as they may be, which have made the popping of the student loan bubble inevitable. It also means that if the rise in interest rate continues, then the student loan bubble will pop that much faster, and bring another $1 trillion in unintended consequences on the shoulders of the US taxpayer who once again will be left footing the bill.

From Fitch:

Fitch believes most student loan asset-backed securities (ABS) transactions remain well protected due to the government guarantee on Family Federal Education Program (FFELP) loans. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York recently reported that as many as 27% of all student loan borrowers are more than 30 days past due. Recent estimates mark outstanding student loans at $900 billion- $1 trillion. Fitch believes that the recent increase in past-due and defaulted student loans presents a risk to investors in private student loan ABS, but not those in ABS trusts backed by FFELP loans.

Why is the bubble starting to pop now?

Several macroeconomic factors are putting pressure on student loan borrowers. The main ones are unemployment and underemployment. The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates the current unemployment rate for people 20 to 24 years old at nearly 14% and for those 25 to 34 years old, 8.7%. Underemployment is difficult to measure for these demographics, but it is likely having a negative impact.

Actually, no: the unemployment for 18-24 year olds is 46%. Yup: 46%.

A month ago, Zero Hedge readers were stunned to learn that unemployment among Europe's young adults has exploded as a result of the European financial crisis, and peaking anywhere between 46% in the case of Greece all they way to 51% for Spain. Which makes us wonder what the reaction will be to the discovery that when it comes to young adults 18-24) in the US, the employment rate is just barely above half, or 54%, which just happens to be the lowest in 64 years, and 7% worse than when Obama took office promising a whole lot of change 3 years ago.


And while technically this means 46% are unemployed, or the same percentage as in Greece, the US ratio, which comes from Pew, shows the ratio as a % of the total population: a very sensitive topic now that every month we see another 250,000 drop off mysteriously from the total labor force. However, unlike those on the trailing age end, young adults by definition are the labor force in their age group demographic, so it would be difficult to explain away this horrendous number by claiming that ever more 24 year olds are retiring. Although, yes, we agree that some may be dropping out of the labor force in order to go to college, incidentally the locus of the latest credit bubble, where they meet a fate worse even than secular unemployment: they become debt slaves of the Federal System, with non-dischargable debt at that, which even assuming they can get a job would take ages to pay back!


But wait: there's more - of all age groups, this is the one that has actually seen its wages drop the most under the Obama administration.


So not only are they unemployed, young adults are at least poor.


Net result: double the change, zero the hope.

But fear not dear banks: taxpayers got your back, as usual.

However, we believe that ABS trusts backed by FFELP loans are unlikely to be affected by employment trends, as they are at least 97% backed by the federal government. In addition, recent securitizations have been structured more robustly and many have backup servicing agreements.

Even so, Fich is covering its bases nonetheless:

While FFELP loans are largely protected from these trends, private student loan ABS trusts, especially those that were structured aggressively and with less stringent credit standards before the recession, are expected to continue experiencing high defaults and ratings pressure. Fitch will continue to monitor these political and macroeconomic factors as they evolve and will determine any impact they may have on ABS trusts.

And as a courtesy reminder to our young up and coming "thinkers", this is $270 billion in debt that can not be discharged. Go ahead - file for bankruptcy - see what happens.

The question then is - what is the student loan version of the ABX trade. After all if Bernanke is willing to blow another bubble, someone has to be able to profit when this latest soon to be failed attempt at central planning.

Finally, here are some more perspectives on the student loan bubble direct from the New York Fed's blog.



    The average outstanding student loan balance per borrower is $23,300. Again, there is substantial heterogeneity in balances of individual borrowers. The median balance of $12,800 is roughly half the average level, which indicates that a small fraction of people have balances significantly higher than the median. About one-quarter of borrowers owe more than $28,000; about 10 percent of borrowers owe more than $54,000. The proportion of borrowers who owe more than $100,000 is 3.1 percent, and 0.45 percent of borrowers, or 167,000 people, owe more than $200,000. The distribution also varies by age group: for example, borrowers between the ages of thirty and thirty-nine have the highest average outstanding student loan balance, at $28,500, followed by borrowers between the ages of forty and forty-nine, whose average outstanding balance is $26,000 (see chart below).


    How much difficulty are borrowers having paying back their debts? Of the 37 million borrowers who have outstanding student loan balances as of third-quarter 2011, 14.4 percent, or about 5.4 million borrowers, have at least one past due student loan account. Together, these past due balances sum to $85 billion, or roughly 10 percent of the total outstanding student loan balance. To put this in perspective, the same 10 percent rate applies on average to other types of household delinquent debt, including mortgages, credit cards, and auto loans. Does this mean that the prospects for student loan delinquencies are similar to those for the household debt in general, and thus no special attention is warranted? (See chart below.)


    Unfortunately, this is not the case—some special accounting used for student loans, not applicable to other types of consumer debt, makes it likely that the delinquency rates for student loans are understated. In the case of federally backed loans, which represent a majority of total lending, repayment is deferred until the student graduates from school and can then be pushed back by another six-month grace period. How do these student loans in deferment or grace periods show up on credit reports and contribute to the delinquency statistics? Given that no payment is necessary until graduation, these deferred student loans are not included in the past due balance but they are included in the total balance from which the delinquency rate is derived. This may help explain the low proportion (12.6 percent) of borrowers with past due student loans among those under thirty years old, compared with 16.9 percent among those between the ages of thirty and thirty-nine, since many of the younger borrowers are still in school and don’t yet have to make any payments.

    To address this potential bias in calculating delinquency statistics, we exclude individuals who appear to be temporarily exempt from making payments because they are in school or newly graduated from school. These are students who, as of third-quarter 2011, owed as much as or more than they did in the previous quarter while maintaining a zero past due balance. We will be able to make our inference more precise when loan-level panel data are available, but this is our first-cut analysis given the available data. We warn that there is room for misclassification in this analysis. For example, there could be borrowers who are subject to the income-based repayment plan whose payment fell short of the accrued interest, resulting in a balance that increased. Recall that this exercise looks at the student loan borrowers who have a balance as of third-quarter 2011; therefore, those who had taken out a loan at one point but paid it off before third-quarter 2011 are not accounted for.

    From this exercise, we find that as many as 47 percent of student loan borrowers appear to be in deferral or forbearance periods, and thus did not have to make payments as of third-quarter 2011. Specifically, 17.6 percent of borrowers had exactly the same balance in the third quarter as in the second quarter of this year, and 29.1 percent increased their overall student loan balance by taking on new originations or accruing interest to the balance.

    We then recalculate the proportion of borrowers with a past due balance excluding this group of borrowers. We find that 27 percent of the borrowers have past due balances, while the adjusted proportion of outstanding student loan balances that is delinquent is 21 percent—much higher than the unadjusted rates of 14.4 percent and 10 percent, respectively (see charts below).



    In sum, student loan debt is not just a concern for the young. Parents and the federal government shoulder a substantial part of the postsecondary education bill. Moreover, the student loan delinquency picture is not fully captured in the broad statistics since a significant proportion of borrowers and balances are not yet in the repayment cycle. The implications of this last fact for future changes in the student loan delinquency rate are a very important area of research.

    Given that student loans are an indispensable tool for educational advancement, this form of debt will remain a critical policy focus for generations to come. Going forward, we will continue to monitor the student loan market with new data each quarter, and we will try to provide useful information on the landscape of student debt.


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Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:27 | 2288954 praxis
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Also makes you wonder about the price of Weed...Christ you could get a quarter of decent Pot for $40 back in the 90's.  Today a gram of killer runs $ about hyperinflation...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:21 | 2289060 Crash N. Burn
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 Back in the '70s:

1/4 ounce "nickel" $5

!/2 ounce "dime" $10

ounce $20 (28 grams)


Fuck Nixon

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:42 | 2289095 gorillaonyourback
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yep 5 finger bag of good columbian 20-30 bucks

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:18 | 2289156 WonderDawg
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Yeah, the good ol' days. I will say, however, that even good Columbo back then doesn't touch the high grade sensi you get today.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:19 | 2289307 knukles
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            -             huh *    ^        ..     '


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:44 | 2289374 Chartist
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Yeah, you can't compare the pot produced today with the stuff you bought for $40 an oz in 1980....That hemp they sold back then was only good for making rope....

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:37 | 2289930 dogbreath
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back then \i could smoke a nice thick joint to myself.   today i take two hits and I am fucked up.    the quality of the high was better back then because i wasn't smoking plutonium.    gave it up copletely though

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:09 | 2289277 PrintPressPimpin
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California is experiencing huge deflation in cannabis..  Because I would estimate over 3/4 of transactions are black market with the rest being prop 215 related.  Since the black market is the only part of the free market economy we have left in our country it reasons that the huge increase in supply is resulting in the low prices.  As an example 15 years ago marijuana cost more fiatscos then an oz of gold.  It was around 350 to 400 an oz.  Fast forward to today and if you are a 215 patient and use craigslist or you buy on the black market top shelf high quality buds are max 240 a oz.  If i ever paid over 240 an oz i was either hard up for smoke or decided to blow my cash at the club.  In fact an oz of the kind bud is really only about 200 or 180 fiatscos in the bay area just look in sf bay area craigslist under 215 meds.  Its a shame i did not buy gold instead of cannabis 15 years ago but i was naive and did not have anyone in my life explaining to me about the ponziconomy.  In fact when i reflect back to 1999 and 2000 i think that was an era of good times and cheap prices that will never be repeated.  Working as a lifeguard at 12 bucks an hour living at home I was better off then my current pathetic income of 40k

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:30 | 2289343 johnnynaps
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Haha, get yourself a light, pots, seeds and some soil and turn it into an investment!

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:32 | 2289919 dogbreath
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i don't know where you are and don't care but its called weed for a reason.  prefer scotch and red wine myself

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:59 | 2289123 TheFourthStooge-ing
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NuYawkFrankie wondered:

Wonder how that $270B compares to the amount student bar-tabs are at least 30 days delinquent...

The bar tabs are pretty much paid up. That's what student loans are for.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:35 | 2289199 Vendetta
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money spent at the bar is money well spent.  Might as well drink heavily with all the hope and change out there ...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:38 | 2288831 GeneMarchbanks
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'It also means that if the rise in interest rate continues, then the student loan bubble will pop that much faster, and bring another $1 trillion in unintended consequences on the shoulders of the US taxpayer who once again will be left footing the bill'

Interest rate rise or no, this has to happen. For too long have unemployed people been exploited under the guise of 're-training' to be more 'competitive'. A perfect way to hide the last layer of Ponzi debt is now clearly past peak.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:49 | 2288856 bonderøven-farm ass
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A small step from 're-training' to 're-educating' methinks........

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:07 | 2288914 The Paucity of Hope
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It looks to me like they're being re-educated already. Just ask them what they think of the government now.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:39 | 2288833 Tom Green Swedish
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Squatters rights.  The young generation is entitled to nothing the Baby Boomers need to work to save for their retirement.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:04 | 2289028 gorillaonyourback
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sadly your statement implies an unsettling irony,  YOU BYE THE WAY, clearly dont see, but i will enlighten.  

squatters RIGHTS implies some entitlement, like say your entitled to being treated as human and respecting that which you have built,amassed or whatever for youself. 

Would it be ironic if a baby boomer comes and puts a lead slug in your head and say this is now MINE lolololololololol

chew on that asshole

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:21 | 2289553 oddjob
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The ironic thing is they are too busy playing golf or yachting to give a shit.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:42 | 2288835 Monedas
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That's more than the entire North Korean humans services budget......and I'll bet those Obama students couldn't put a satellite in space !  They aren't even very good at filling out student loan docs and welfare applications or reading the Constitution !   Monedas  2012   Send 'em all to Norko for some discipline !  Trayvon like "Hoodies" go to Pyongyang for advanced potty training !  Life is too funny !  I don't know what I'd do with out the Socialists to give me comedy material !

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:42 | 2288840 Gully Foyle
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But give them a Fat Woman at Walmart and they are all atwitter.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:50 | 2288860 Monedas
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Did you see BO being Presidential in Seoul ?  What Faux Gravitas !  I kind of admire the Norkos when they flip off Carter, Allbright, Hillary, Clinton and BO juice !  Monedas  2012   North Korea.....the last, best hope for the Communist way !

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:52 | 2288869 Gully Foyle
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You know both China and Cuba are still Communist countries?

Oh yeah found this on Wikipedia

List of current communist states

The following countries are one-party states in which the institutions of the ruling communist party and the state have become intertwined; hence they fall under the definition of Socialist states seeking to build a communist society. They are listed here together with the year of their founding and their respective ruling parties:[24]

Democratic states with communist governments

There are multi-party states that currently have communist parties in government. Such states are not considered to be communist states as the countries themselves allow for multiple parties, and do not provide a constitutional role for their communist parties.

Communist parties as part of other ruling coalition

There are also some parties that participate as junior partners in ruling coalitions, as listed below.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:14 | 2288926 Monedas
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You forgot Venoilzuela !  How about Niggeragua and Daniel Ortega ?  Washington D.C. ?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:38 | 2288981 Gully Foyle
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How does one become a racist fuck? Is it your Daddy that assrapes it into you? Kind of like a racist AIDS.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:58 | 2289019 Piranhanoia
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You have to embrace it.  Most would rather puke.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:14 | 2289048 Monedas
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I'm not a racist.....I'm just trying to push back against Political Correctness and retake our language !  If that offends the PC crowd.....too bad.....they offended me more first ! I demand my poetic license to use all the Beneton colors on my linguistic pallete !   Monedas   2012   Wop, Nigger, Gook, Chink, Nazi, Towel Head, Kike, Polack.....!

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:14 | 2289145 imapopulistnow
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I'd suggest civlity trumps PC protestation.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:04 | 2289263 bag holder
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"Civility" is another word for PC.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:20 | 2289312 francis_sawyer
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ummm... This blog is the fucking FIGHT CLUB...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:58 | 2289124 DosZap
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You know both China and Cuba are still Communist countries?

Oh yeah found this on Wikipedia


They left off one.........................doncha think?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:30 | 2289341 Vlad Tepid
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Japan also has one of the largest and most active Communist parties in the world.  Almost their entire platform is now dedicated to not paying a dime for US mercenaries on their soil.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 02:01 | 2290093 StychoKiller
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Wait, so Japan is PAYING for those troops?  And here I am paying my taxes like a sucker!

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:10 | 2290207 Vlad Tepid
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Not only does Japan pay for them, they pay for them to leave, bribing the US to be rid of their Marine "guests" to the tune of billions to build up the bases in the US where the troops will move.  And I thought Blackwater knew how to run a mercenary outfit.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:41 | 2288837 malikai
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With unemploymnt numbers like that all over, it is a real testament to our propaganda masters the fact that we have not seen pitchforks and heads rolling.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:42 | 2288839 lolmao500
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Change the fucking law already!!! STUDENT LOANS CAN BE FORGIVEN WITH BANKRUPTCY.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:45 | 2288846 Gully Foyle
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Not Even Bankruptcy Will Make Your Student Loans Go Away

We’ve mentioned repeatedly in these pages that it is practically impossible to discharge student loan debt through the bankruptcy process. In fact, it’s estimated that “at best,” only 50% of student loan debtors are successful in their undue hardship claims. With that kind of a forecast, it looks like these people will either have to find a way to pay up, or default.

Back in June 2011, our own Elie Mystal wrote a series of posts about how he defaulted on his student loans (which, for the record, is different from bankruptcy). He called it a “survivable” situation. He had a wedding to pay for, and for him, defaulting on his loans was the preferable route because he didn’t want to be an “indentured servant” for the rest of his life.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:48 | 2288858 lolmao500
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We’ve mentioned repeatedly in these pages that it is practically impossible to discharge student loan debt through the bankruptcy process.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:54 | 2288871 Gully Foyle
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Gotcha, last time there was some asshole claiming student loans and medical debt could be discharged via bankruptcy.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:02 | 2289516 Christophe2
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=> I think the reason you are getting junked is that letting students not only borrow but be gifted outrageous amounts of money (tens to hundreds of G's) to get useless degrees at worthless and vastly overpriced institutions IS NOT A GOOD SOLUTION.


The solution is far more complex, especially since 'higher learning' in Amerikkka is mostly just more brainwashing with bad info - even physics, with its BS Einstein dogma instead of reasonable alternatives like the Plasma Universe, and medical school, which basically trains people to become drug pushers for big pharma.


More than anything, people would be best off learning how to become self-taught and self-learning, especially now that the internet makes so much excellent info available, practically for free.

=> there is very little need for university, except for people with low self-esteem or with a desire to have the appearance of intellect ("ohhh! A shiny degree!")...  Good grades typically reflects an ability to memorize, when in fact valuable intelligence is the ability to create of new thoughts.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:14 | 2289629 Pope Clement
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++++++ Chrisrophe - Einstein way overated and an icon created by the NY Times. His wife was the author of much of the dreck attributed to him and made him turn over the Nobel Prize money to her when they divorced. Yes the Plasma / Electric Universe theorists have blown away Special relativity, gravity driven astrophysics, black holes, dark matter, the big bang and much of the hallucinatory physics of the 20th century which the slacker douches in Academe still teach.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 02:06 | 2290095 StychoKiller
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How about using the language of Truth (mathematics) to support yer position(s)?  Publish the "proofs" or be gone.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 11:57 | 2291240 Christophe2
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LOL.  Math independent of factual observation is nothing more than MENTAL MASTURBATION.


Follow the poster's link (or google the subject) and you'll get ample proofs based on well documented and reproducible physical phenomena.  More to the point: proofs take more than a couple of paragraphs to present and this is not the right place to put them.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 00:01 | 2289965 Cathartes Aura
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thanks for a well-thought out post, with points that are rarely, if ever, mentioned here,

'higher learning' in Amerikkka is mostly just more brainwashing with bad info - even physics, with its BS Einstein dogma instead of reasonable alternatives like the Plasma Universe, and medical school, which basically trains people to become drug pushers for big pharma.

once upon a time a University education was considered "well rounded" and encouraged the full range of thinking. . . but that's History, which is supposedly yet another worthless "degree" along with anything that assists in folk's awareness of how the world really works.

and we all know that "thinking" isn't necessary in this race to the bottom feeders ponzi.

Good grades typically reflects an ability to memorize, when in fact valuable intelligence is the ability to create of new thoughts.

memorise and turn up to class at appointed times - just like the "job" you hope to snag. . .

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:31 | 2289349 ExpendableOne
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Pay your loan or enter into servitude with the government.  We'll even give you a free house, we have quite a few in our inventory these days.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:48 | 2288853 lolmao500
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 Net result: double the change, zero the hope.

Don't worry, a draft will fix all the youth unemployment problems.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:39 | 2289090 Larry Dallas
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Too convenient that we happen to be aligning for a war with Iran and we have so many uneducated, lost youth roaming around in hoodies (black and white). Packs of them like feral dogs in Greece.

IMHO, some form of a "soft draft" will be instituted in - what I think to be a tiered structure in order of first called:

1. "At-risk" youth convicted of crimes under 25 years old.
2. Those less than 30 years old with college degree/debt will be called in to be an officer of some sort.
3. Older folks will work domestically in back office ops in various agencies; such as domestic counterterrorism (aka "rat on your neighbor") duties.

That's my 2 cents. Perhaps not even worth that much.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:50 | 2288863 GeneMarchbanks
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lolmao500 <--- Clearly balls deep in student loans.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:52 | 2288870 lolmao500
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Not really. I'm 8k in student loans. I could pay it off right now if I wanted.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:29 | 2288960 PC Load Letter
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The planners saw this shit storm coming a long time ago. That's why they passed BAPCPA in the first place

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:52 | 2289114 DosZap
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Uh, unless O changed this edict, no they cannot be discharged under any circumstance.Bankruptcy included, just like IRS debt.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:00 | 2289256 Dingleberry
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Agreed.  To those who think otherwise, try and getting your student loans discharged in bankruptcy.....I DARE YOU. I also dare you to let them go into default. See what happens to the balance, it very short order. Hope you have some spare KY jelly lying around....

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:43 | 2288841 Heroic Couplet
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If you're unemployed and you voted Republican, you have nothing to complain about. Republican tax cuts are in place now for 11 years. Where are the US jobs?

ALL Congressional Republicans and the Republican leaders should be out looking for jobs. Take Faux Noise cameras, take the ACORN pimp and prostitute, and film the job application process. If they can't, they need to be called liars, to their face, voted out of office and kept out of office. I've spent the past 10 years calling Republicans liars, starting with George W Bush. Remember folks, "both parties are the same," but we have to get to the point in the United States where the Republican half get branded and known as liars.

If you're unemployed, take over your nearest Republican politician's office--the desk, telephones, utilities, restrooms, copy machines--all should be at your disposal during your job search. Remind the Republicans, the wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street, that they need to get off the golf course.



Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:47 | 2288850 Gully Foyle
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Heroic Couplet

"If you're unemployed and you voted Democrat, you have nothing to complain about"

Wow dude I fixed that for you. You forgot Clinton and NAFTA and I guess Barry since 2008.

You forgot Democratic majorities in the House and Senate during various times since 92.

Honestly though it is both goddamned parties that fucked shit up beyond repair. But that was all intentional.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:57 | 2288879 The4thStooge
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You guys new around here? That red team vs. blue team bullshit has no effect here. Take your divide-and-conquor bullshit elsewhere.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:01 | 2288895 Gully Foyle
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You clearly can't read. Just focus on the last line ace. It might sink in.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:36 | 2289204 eddiebe
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So true, but I'm continually being surprised and amazed how the vast majority of the population are still buying into that. Then when you tell them about Diebold etc. it's all over as far as any credibility goes. Til things get alot worse, we'll just have to bear it. The momentum for real change just isnt there (yet?).

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:57 | 2289253 Dingleberry
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Thanks Stooge...I was just about to post and educate these silly "left vs. right" dupes.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 20:23 | 2289436 Cathartes Aura
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good to see the reality of "hoping" your vote will "change" the overall situation of government is back in thread here. . .

don't pay attention to the circus in town this year, just keep up your preps and save room in your mind for unexpected stuffs.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:44 | 2288844 Tom Green Swedish
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Is a sideshow. Water is a much bigger problem. 

Here's a nice fact for you on Peak Oil. Saudi Arabia imports ALL of their food. They gave up producing their own. They sell a gallon for .91 cents there (The price of a White Castle Cheeseburger). On the other hand the USA refines and mines as much oil as Saudi Arabia. But get this. They pay less for a Big Mac then us. Yes we pay $3.15 for a Big Mac and they pay $2.40 for a Big Mac. I just paid 4.70 for a gallon. You think that's fair? Now how do you feel about Peak Oil and America's brilliant fucking government, Oil Speculators and Oil Companies. You can either go to Fuddruckers or you can go to White Castle. Unfortunately they have chosen for us to go to White Castle.


In Qatar The country with the highest Per Capita GDP in the World they pay .68 cents for a Big Mac. 


 USA is getting screwed royally because we are so friendly. It takes 13000 gallons of water to make 1 hamburger.  We just gave away 340000 tonnes of food to North Korea for nothing.



Here's my proposition. We form lets call it an OPEC with Beef Producing Nations and manipulate the price accordingly.  That way we can become a Middle Eastern like state with 50 percent farmers, comparable to their 50 percent in the Oil Industry.  Then they can pay off their debts off the backs of the Middle East working for 7 dollars an hour.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:48 | 2288851 malikai
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LOL. Are you high?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:10 | 2288920 Tom Green Swedish
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No, and I also don't speak idiot talk.  What is "LOL".

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:00 | 2289024 Hulk
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Lots of Love, YOU FOOL !!!

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:28 | 2289178 Yen Cross
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He's back! +1

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:30 | 2289586 Big Corked Boots
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(in my best Homer Simpson voice):

Mmmmmm, white castle......

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:51 | 2288867 Hulk
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13,000 gallons of water to make a hamburger. Nonsense. It only takes a teaspoon of olive oil you fool!!!

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:34 | 2289197 knukles
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"Where's the beef?"

Jesus, I just couldn't help myself....

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:51 | 2288868 lolmao500
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It takes 13000 gallons of water to make 1 hamburger.  

I call bullshit on that unless you include all the water that the cattle drinks during his life along with all the food he needs in his life until he's turned into a hamburger... but even then... bullshit.

We just gave away 340000 tonnes of food to North Korea for nothing.

No you didn't. They will launch their crappy satellite and they won't be given that food.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:12 | 2288875 Tom Green Swedish
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Sorry typo 1300 gallons.  Feel Better now?


Think about EVERYTHING that goes into making that hamburger. Its not just giving the cattle a drink of water. But that might be to complex for you to figure out. 


Wrong. We are giving them that food right now and you just don't know it.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:35 | 2289200 knukles
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What the fuck...
A zero here and a zero there and pretty soon ya got a lot of nuthin' on either side of it.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:13 | 2289292 Saro
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Nothin' on either side of his ears, maybe.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:38 | 2289210 Vendetta
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I feel much better now ... thanks.  The globalist trade policies have done so much to make America prosperous ... /sarc off

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:02 | 2289025 Piranhanoia
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Have to add the kilos of antibiotics they pump them with all their lives so they can comply with the US rules that allow you to have so much shit on your meat.  

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:43 | 2289222 knukles
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If it's being consumed by middle easterners then it don't need antibiotics 'cause they wipe their buttholeos with their paws anyhow. 
I mean, real-ly. 
One of them culture gap deformities. 
Or something.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 20:14 | 2289416 Hulk
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No problem if one has a high fiber diet. Nothing that a little butterscotch and man's best friend can't handle...

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 01:45 | 2290080 Likstane
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A higher brevity-hilarity quotient will not be found.  My stomach hurts.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:56 | 2288877 Red Heeler
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"It takes 13000 gallons of water to make 1 hamburger."

You must make one big hamburger.

It takes approximately 640 gallons of water to make one regular sized hamburger. That's much less tragic than your 13,000 gallon figure but it's still extravagantly wasteful.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:58 | 2288883 Tom Green Swedish
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It was a typo. You people are very unforgiving. You have decided to miss the big picture of what I was saying and focus on my little typo little a 2nd grade teacher.  Very sad.  Thanks you just made my day.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:33 | 2288970 Red Heeler
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"You have decided to miss the big picture of what I was saying and focus on my little typo little a 2nd grade teacher."

Should read: You have decided to miss the big picture of what I was saying and focus on my little typo like a 2nd grade teacher.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:41 | 2288984 Tom Green Swedish
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Thank you again. I am not selling my material on this site so I can be as sloppy as I want. But thank you for the grammer lesson. When I decide to write the next "Lord of the Flies", I' will have you proofread it.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:43 | 2289097 Red Heeler
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I am always glad to be of assistance. I would be honored to proofread your literary masterpiece. By the way, the title of a book-length work is normally italicized.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:10 | 2289138 malikai
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Thanks for the good laugh. :)

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:25 | 2289330 francis_sawyer
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He could call his next book "GrammEr Lessons" by Bob's Big Boy

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:13 | 2289142 malikai
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Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:31 | 2289183 TheFourthStooge-ing
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But thank you for the grammer lesson.

It's grammar lesson.

edit: malikai beat me to it.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:27 | 2289333 francis_sawyer
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oops... you both beat me to it I see... I was moving along in analog...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:37 | 2289359 Vlad Tepid
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'I'll' or 'I will,' not 'I' will' unless that's some sort of antiquated Irish accent I'm not familiar with.  Keep working, Charles they say: a thousand monkeys, a thousand typewriters.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:51 | 2289388 francis_sawyer
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1,000 monkeys... 1,000 typewriters... & 13,000 more gallons of water in this case...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:52 | 2289855 Teamtc321
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"Think about EVERYTHING that goes into making that hamburger. Its not just giving the cattle a drink of water. But that might be to complex for you to figure out. "


Either way nut sack, you might want to actually go visit a cattle rancher someday and someday soon. I raise about 400 brangus a year, before reading all your back pimping eco snoozing porn twit sites, get out of the basement and speak to a true rancher.

It's no wonder this country has such huge deficit's, unfucking beleiveable.

Don't bother with a gramer nazi come back either, spend your time getting the wet spot out of your under wear instead.  


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:55 | 2289012 j0nx
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Tom: I'll tell you the same thing I tell others in my acquaintance: it's hard to take you seriously when your grammar and facts fucking suck. Proofread your shit before you post it and then maybe you'll have more luck here...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:53 | 2289234 knukles
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"Ewwww, you people are sooooo unforgiving"
Fight, fight, fight
Zis boom bah
Wack him in the head
Kick him in the jaw
Bust him in the chops
Knock him on his ass
Make him cry and snivel
Be mean and crass

Bitch, bitch, bitch

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:06 | 2289260 Tom Green Swedish
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I have officially been flamed for my bad grammar, typos and misunderstandings of economics. I should refrain from posting and involvement in any financial discussions about meat when college debt is topic.  I will now finish watching the NCAA basketball "March Madness" and all the television commericals, because the students simply are not being charged enough for the services of the professors.


This forum is like the wild west and I have just been shot down by a bunch of cowboys.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:07 | 2289270 knukles
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Yes Tom, telly will help with that shortcoming.
There might even be an app, too.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:17 | 2289304 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Tom Green Swedish Meatball said:


Go watch some television and it will make the hurt go away.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 20:12 | 2289419 Hulk
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It will all be forgotten by next week... NOT!!!

Abandon Account,Abandon Account,Abandon Account,Abandon Account,

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:38 | 2288980 Monedas
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A Big Mac has two patties !  640 x 2 = 1280 gallons !  Twenty gallons to grow the lettuce !

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:28 | 2289334 francis_sawyer
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Don't forget the 'special sauce'

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:49 | 2289384 Bicycle Repairman
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How many gallons of water in a soylent green burger?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 20:19 | 2289432 TheFourthStooge-ing
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How many gallons of water in a soylent green burger?

None. It's been substituted with high fructose corn syrup.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:06 | 2289526 Yes_Questions
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Dunno, but the fluoride adds a nice touch.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 00:54 | 2290034 Die Weiße Rose
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sorry, was that 130,000.00 gallons or litres we are talking about ?

Since a Gallon has ca 4 litres that would be 520,000 litres for one Hamburger ?

that would be 520 tons of water -

What sort of Hamburger are we talking about ?

just wondering...



Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:12 | 2288921 Seasmoke
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i like White Castle better than Fuddruckers hamburgers.....whats the problem ?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:47 | 2288932 Tom Green Swedish
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No problem at all.  But how would you like to roll the cost of your white castles back to a nickel? 

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:33 | 2289198 TheFourthStooge-ing
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They're spelled "sliders".

"But how would you like to roll the cost of your sliders back to a nickel?"


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:52 | 2289241 Tom Green Swedish
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I wouldn't. We can keep the cost the same, but charge the Saudis 25 dollars for one of those all beef patties.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:20 | 2289311 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Screw that, I'd rather have sliders for a nickel. You could buy a whole sack of belly bombers for a dollar.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:41 | 2289214 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Tom Green Swedish said:

USA is getting screwed royally because we are so friendly.

Made me laugh. You know, eternal nature of US citizenism and all that.

It takes 13000 gallons of water to make 1 hamburger.

It takes 55 gallons of diesel fuel for every single blueberry imported from South America.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:53 | 2289243 Tom Green Swedish
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My question for you stooge is this. Where is the beef?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:07 | 2289273 TheFourthStooge-ing
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My question for you stooge is this. Where is the beef?

It's with the chicken, seafood, and pork, next to the dairy section.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:37 | 2289301 Tom Green Swedish
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You mean this Grocery store Stooge?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 20:21 | 2289434 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Well if you already knew, why did you ask?


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:47 | 2288848 HamyWanger
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It must suck to be a libertarian. Hating so much life and other people you are obliged to rejoice over less youngsters going to college and having an education due to the recession.

It was so much better at the time of children working in coal mines, wasn't it? 

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:48 | 2288857 tmosley
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Who said anything about them not going to college?  They just aren't paying for it.  All for that here.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:56 | 2288878 HamyWanger
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You perfectly know what I meant, and you are embarrassed by it.

Fact is, a lot of libertarians right now are rejoicing over this piece of news. I've been in close contact with them longer than you, and this makes me all too knowledgeable about the insane levels of sociopathy in this milieu.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:15 | 2289047 gorillaonyourback
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hamy i dont think libs are rejoicing,  they are amazed at the effort of keeping this ponzi scheme going.

its like having a nice fillet mignon dinner, waking up the next day and taking a crap then pulling the shit log back out of the toilet and trying to prepare that shit log for dinner and thinking you gonna get that fillet mignon dinner again.

sometimes its easier to flush the shit down the toilet and start from scratch

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 22:44 | 2289841 tmosley
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No, I don't.  This has nothing to do with going to college, and everything to do with not paying for it.

When the bubble bursts, the government will step in just like they did before, and then they will be making loans directly to the students with very favorable terms.  Not that that is what I want or don't want to happen, that is simply what WILL happen.  Or everything will collapse, which is unlikely.

So quit yer bitchin'.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:57 | 2288885 magpie
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Dunno, would a degree in gender studies stop me from getting a job in a coal mine ?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:45 | 2289225 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Dunno, would a degree in gender studies stop me from getting a job in a coal mine ?

Not as long as you could discern the masculine coal from the feminine coal and treat each without culturally biased preconceptions.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 20:50 | 2289467 Cathartes Aura
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one needn't be "degree'd" in gender studies to benefit from the awareness of how gender is used - like "race" and "sexuality" - to put individuals into categories to exploit accordingly.

once the meme is thoroughly understood, many aspects of global cultures, including religion, become very obvious in their labeling of humans, (and even in how one is encouraged to label oneself, the better to be re-cognised by others), thereby making the whole task of owning your mind that much easier.

but if one is invested in their cultural identity, and thus receiving benefits or bonuses, it does make the study much more difficult - best to go for "work experience" along the way. . .

(no downvotes from me guys. . .)

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:11 | 2289284 Marc_W
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There is definitely a strain of so-called libertarianism that is really just elitism longing for the implementation of neo-feudalism.  You see it in the articles where millionaires talk about how other millionaires can take their millions of dollars and expatriate from the U.S., avoiding any taxes.  These fake libertarians want weaker/smaller government not so everyone can be free and with equal "rights", but so they can enslave their fellow man and impose their will upon him without government standing in the way.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:30 | 2289342 francis_sawyer
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Maybe they just want to get away from people who make idiot comments on blogs... You never kno...

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:50 | 2288859 Tom Green Swedish
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The problem is not the debt. The problem is the cost. Just like the housing bubble, it is overpriced.  Hold off on college. Steal a job from a Mexican, and form a union of the jobs they do, which there are none of right now.  They will go home, then you can go back to college when things are better, and the price has dropped because nobody is going to college.  Heck most college students are over 30 anyways.  You might as well spend your youth doing fun easy things.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:55 | 2288874 magpie
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With all due respect, what makes you expect falling prices in a government subsidized business like the education complex in an inflationary environment ? 

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:02 | 2288899 Tom Green Swedish
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 Costs are soaring twice as fast as inflation, even as salaries for graduates are falling.  Colleges do not follow normal supply and demand economic rules.  But at least you "the dumb lazy people who think they should go to college because Obama told them" can stick it to them.  They can't make the price so high nobody can afford it.  I value my college education more than anything I have, but not everybody should go to college (which I learned in college),  and that is why the price has increased.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:13 | 2288925 magpie
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Perhaps a bailout would be arranged, and if they are insulated from the normal supply and demand, i still don't see how the education "strike" is going to work. They will just keep raising prices IMHO. Bailout rules, like the banks hiking their fees on top of non-existing interest rates.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:19 | 2288935 Tom Green Swedish
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They can't keep raising the price.  It is a bubble which will eventually have to pop just like the housing bubble.  But I have a better idea.  Charge the foreign people who come here just to get an education and leave a higher price and use that to subsidize American citizens educations.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:29 | 2288949 magpie
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Might only work as long as they don't figure out to study elsewhere ? Though you might be luckier since the UK trebled their tuition already. 

And if we are talking government price controls, just lower the tuition on "useful" and raise it on "useless" subjects - though the Obama Czar on Re-Education might have many diverse opinions on what constitutes "useful" or "useless".


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:49 | 2289004 Tom Green Swedish
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Where else would they study? If they want the best they should have to pay for the best.  People who originally came had a much harder time, then these babies who come here to get an education will ever experience. They should not just allowed to prance on over and walk on our backs.  I will not allow that.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:59 | 2289021 magpie
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OK, i understand that you wouldn't want to educate your future competitors almost for free... 

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:56 | 2289249 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Tom Green Swedish Meatball said:

Where else would they study? If they want the best they should have to pay for the best.

Yeah, but they seem to be OK with just studying in the US.

People who originally came had a much harder time, then these babies who come here to get an education will ever experience.

No comma, and the word is "than".

"People who originally came had a much harder time than these babies who come here to get an education will ever experience."

They should not just allowed to prance on over and walk on our backs.

"They should not just be allowed to prance on over and walk on our backs."

I will not allow that.

So why are you allowing college tuition to rise? You really should do something about that.

By the way, did you know that making a college textbook requires four acres of old growth forest and lowers the level of Lake Mead by three feet?


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:15 | 2289293 Tom Green Swedish
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Then give them all Ipads.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:27 | 2289336 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Did you know that throwing a piggy off a hill results in the destruction of three hectares of Amazon rain forest?


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:45 | 2289378 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Did you know that fake moustaches are made from petroleum products, aren't biodegradable, and have created a huge debris field in the Pacific which is harmful to sea life?


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:36 | 2289605 Big Corked Boots
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If I read all the messages in this thread, do I get a sack o' White Castles?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 23:05 | 2289874 Tom Green Swedish
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Only if you live in Qatar. If  Big Mac is 68 cents there a sack of White Castle is free.

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 01:18 | 2290061 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Big Corked Boots asked:

If I read all the messages in this thread, do I get a sack o' White Castles?

Yes, indeedy, a bag full of sliders is yours.

"Buy 'em by the sack, puke 'em by the roadside."©


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:58 | 2288887 Catullus
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Just like the housing bubble, the price is being driven up by the debt.  Everyone can see it.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:04 | 2288908 Tom Green Swedish
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Exactly, just like credit cards.  When there is bad debt written off everybody else has to suffer because the banks have to make their money and bonuses.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 17:05 | 2289030 Benjamin Glutton
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the problem is requiring a college education where it is not necessary.


While being prepped for dental surgery I struck a conversation with the dental assistant about his educational background. The only schooling he ever received was 3 months EMT training. He now teaches EMT courses at a local college which offers a four year degree to become an EMT in our state. His 3 months of school from 1975 have led to jobs in ER's,dental assistant and a teaching position as well as licensing for each.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:28 | 2289321 Marc_W
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He was working in an ER as a medical technician, which make pretty crummy wages.  Nurses in the U.S. require at least a 2 year degree.


Those low level medical roles you've talked about have never REQUIRED a degree.  Never.


I'll let you in on a little secret though.  Anyone with an IQ 120 or above doesn't really need a degree to do anything.  They just need some books/the internet and mastery of their native language along with motivation.  Most modern "education" is really little more than job training.  Attendance is now mandatory throughout the higher education system.  Miss 3 classes and you fail the class.  Back in my day the professors didn't care if you only showed up for the mid-term and final.  And some of us did, and made it through with a B average.


It's simply the dumbing down of the higher education system to public "high school" levels.  Showing up and completing busy work is enough to get a degree.  And luckily for these newly "educated" college grads, that's all 99% of jobs in America require.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:50 | 2288862 TahoeBilly2012
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There is no US taxpayer left to foot any bills...isn't that the whole point?

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:51 | 2288865 Technical Bard
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I suspect one of the reasons for this is also that the generation of people under 30 today are members of the "entitlement" generation - they believe they shouldn't have to work hard and they have never learned the math and ethics that say you pay your debts.  They want that (possibly useless) college education, but believe they should be given it - and we let them set us up by "lending" them the money with a federal guarantee...  they will default because they don't understand responsibility.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 15:57 | 2288881 dwdollar
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They are only emulating the people in charge.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:00 | 2288894 SheepleLOVEched...
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well yu can blindly blame the current generation with ethics, sure that would be the easy way out for a mind that doesnt want to rationally think. Why dont we go deeper into this, shall we? Look at the large propaganda stigma associated with the youth in america regarding college educations and the subsequent labor market that they will enter. The employment market in America is deteriorating significantly and has been for quite some time now, due to lack of industrial and manufacturing sectors and a transformation into service economy driven by crony capitalism.Not to mention the federal reserve keeps devaluing the local currency which makes input prices rise and employers raise prices due to compressed profit margins, and since they are operating rationally for the largest profit possible, they will cut overhead ie. EMPLOYMENT! This is not rocket science......So do not blame the gen x for this entitlement bs, bc that statement has no empirical evidence nor rationale.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 16:49 | 2289000 dolph9
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The most entitled generation in the history of mankind is the baby boomers.  Without a doubt.  A whole generation of people who believe it's their God given right to become a millionaire, own multiple cars and boats and homes, and drive and fly around the world whenever they feel like it.

Too bad, because their wealth, mostly in paper assets demoninated in dollars, will disappear.  And then they'll find themselves old and broke in a collapsing world.  Not exactly the best fate.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 18:13 | 2289139 Ima anal sphincter
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I think I've smacked it out with you before, but I guess round 2 is needed.

Blow me, mother fucker.

I work my ass off and have never EXPECTED anything from anybody. You're a punk who has no fucking clue. The boomers fed, clothed, and housed your fucking ass. Download some kids and raise them. haven't done that yet have you? Twenty something dumb-ass who thinks he knows it all. Life is going to come up and slap you in the face very soon ... I hope it hurts.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:43 | 2289373 johnnynaps
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Slaves too were fed, clothed and housed! Just out of curiosity, do boomers feel entitled to retirement funds? Because how I see it, the expansion of the fed gov's balance sheet to prop the dow is theft from other generations to serve the generation who has the most skin in the game. And it's not generation x or y.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 20:34 | 2289400 Ima anal sphincter
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Well......I guess since you're not going to get shit, you might as well learn some skills. Do you know how to grow food? Can you fix a car? How about plumbing? Build ANYTHING? Gut a deer?....................Guess not.

Pretty damn good at keyboarding and playing computer games I bet.

My company stole my retirement. My government stole my future S.S. My paycheck is robbed before I get it and after when I go to the store.

I'm planning on taking care of my own. I hope you have someone to "take care" of you.


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