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Is there any sort of opposition movement in Germany? Are they organized, are the people angry? I've seen the writing in Der Spiegel, but that's about all I've seen.
I guess time will tell whether the German people accept their coming role or not.
OT: Anyone heard from CPL?
dammit, LRW, don't you ever do that shit again, you slippery devil.
can't you see i'm tryin to make a point?
Why ? They get control of Europe, that is what the Krauts always wanted.
Control? WTF? They paid, and paid, and paid over the years, only for spendthrift Club Med nations to demand more, once the funds dried up.
And then they're accused of being "in control"?
I mean jeez, if I was German I'd be seriously fucked off with having to bail out Club Med continuously.
Exacly. Whenever something goes wrong in Europe, someone will blame the "Krauts". It is booooring.
If you really want to play the blame game: the Southerners spended too much while the "money was for free", the French want to be in control, the British want to sabotage everithing that starts with an "E" and does not end with "ngland". And don't get me started with the Irish, they are completely befuddled, lately (somehow they have not really realized how & why their national debt doubled).
The Germans? They just wish to keep their productive way of life, poor critters. Up to now they are the true victims. Wait until November, then you'll hear from them.
French want to be in control
Sarkozy is the neo-Napolean.
Agreed! Surprising that people on this site think that Germany would make a mistake. They are smart little wiener schnitzels.
They will use the debts to take over the European countries they are lending to.
They will do with economic warfare what Hitler failed to do with guns.
Barroso, Van Rompuy, Ashton, Trichet, Draghi, Rehn - all are damn krauts that want to take over Europe.
Germany that has 29 votes - like Italy, France, Great Britain - Poland and Spain have each 27 votes - Greece 12 votes; we are soooo superior against all of them, right?
And you're blaming us for the wrongdoings of other nations. If anything doesn't work - blame the Germans and remind them of WWII.
Fourth Reich my ass! - We don't want a Fourth Reich - many Germans just want to live in peace and have a decent share of wealth, idiot.
Don't make a mistake - the mood is angry, but many are just disappointed. Our optimists believed in the capability of Club Med and that they would use our money wisely to create wealth for their nations and for Europe as a whole. We paid for this crap and meanwhile our streets are getting more holes, we needed to close more schools and public services, many Germans lost on their income (the only OECD country where Income went negative 4.5 % as a total - 22 % for some people in Germany and for everybody that earns less than 4000 EUR per month.
You make the mistake of failing to distinguish between 'the people' on one hand, and government and bankers on the other.
What the people want doesn't matter. It never has.
The Mediterraneans will be wearing lederhosen before they know what hit them.
Barosso is from Spain, and van Rumpoy is from Belgium. But Belgium doesn't have a government, so how can they be represented in the EU Parliament? .
EU elections are separate from general elections. At least, that's how it works in several other EU countries.
Watch the movie "The International" with Clive Owen. It puts it into presepective.
Like I said 2 days ago: German leadership is utterly stupid and coward.
Their self imposed guilt for crimes they did not commit is just disgusted.
I feel so sorry for the hard-working German people! They are once again are raped by jewish banksters.
I kinda always assumed CPL was just full of shit. Is he the one that always talks about "THE THREE UNPATCHABLE HOLES IN COMPUTER SOFTWARE"?
I just wonder what the Ol' Gipshit would have to say about all this...
as hopefully the first, i'll say that i'm happy we're no longer voting on one another's opinions...thought it antithetical to the whole ZH thing. one-on-one slug-er-out type thing.
weather the voting had any value. No-voting is a much (c)leaner interface.
Your mom goes to college.
okay, fuu, i bet you think you're pretty friggin smart; don't cha! bastard! i'm assuming you know that you are TAGGED!
and fuU, too
Gold, bitchez. It's what's for dinner.
How can you link together Euro, US downgrade, the Economic Hit Men, and Ayn Rand. The grand unification theory here, at Hawaii Trading, also includes an annotated version of the actual S&P downgrade.
hahaha i know Bunds are getting killed. The ECB just slapped Germany in the face. The whole thing will end in tears, one week and counting.
Bloomberg Host " But further stimulus is not politically possible in the US anymore "
Richard Koo " Yes but it is physically possible "
Quote of the year
Germany won't have to bear this load alone, Bernanki will come to the rescue, he did before.
By now most everyone at ZH knows Bernanki's mission is to protect the assets of the super
wealthy of the western world. He will bail out EU banks once again with trillions of off
balance sheet dollars and will do so in secret.
Bing-fucking-O ! Zorba wins the prize ! DING DING DING DING !!!! QE3 officially started tonight/early this morning.
Thus truly begins the end-game.
@zorba THE GREEK: what jumboton said!
The real objective of Benny is to destroy the Euro Currency... but he must do it while appearing to offer a helping hand... That is the way the game is played and it's called hardball.
look how much interest rate spread compression there's been between 2y euro swap and 2y usd swap. how can the euro not have budged in that time? something is very broken
@pendragon: besides the usual suspects, it's called c-h-i-n-a
Certainly, the Eurocrats are going to *try* to get Germany to foot the bill. The popcorn and 3D glasses are out to see what happens next.
Time for Germany to invade countries.... to liberate people from those european union globalist trash.
sell on rallies, EUR is bid. we got major ECB bond buying. that idoit Trichet is trying to knock down the 5 and 10yr Italian and Spanish spreads. Bet on, he gets maybe three days...then back to doomsday.
Foot the Bill ? But we got everything insured in the United Safe of America. And if AIG cant pay the FED will.
Spot-On TK! BOHICA. It's like running a liquor store and buying life insurance on the Skid Row drunks out in front.
Germany is not going to go for this, it's a suicide mission.
The people are already pissed about the other stuff.
Germans can't afford to bail out Italy and Spain now, and it'll get worse.
Good bye EU, wasn't soon enough. Don't forget to take the flag with you.
Well guess what boy, the ECB rules and everyone must lick their boots, especially the Germans! The German must either put Merkel's head on a pike or be enslaved and suffer the hardest depression the world has ever seen when it all comes down.
Tons of buying here this am from the ECB - basically lifting every offer on our IT, ES paper.
Spain CDS open: 400/412 -->314/334 last. Lol.
I've been reading a lot of your posts for a few weeks now, and then doing all the fun work of uncovering exactly what they mean. They are invariably correct and concice, but they're missing something; let's call it salt.
Now, in spite of all my shortcommings, i've been able to piece together some very important info on you; namely, that you're canadian. It's kind of like showing off a handicap to compensate; no offense or anything...we see it; well aware of the club foot, old sport -- and we all want to celebrate it with you...huzzah!
and although i'm sure the great north woods are just bursting with all things write-homeable-about and bragable, the thing one tends to note about the average canuk is the, ahem, handicap.
God, aparantly, considers nothing above humor; and this is especially true when He is bored. And after reviewing all the permutations of humanity, thinking all mirth exhausted, kind of as an afterthought the Great I AM decides to stunt the processors of an entire creed: the innocent canadian.
i'm not telling you anything you don't already know (it just may take a few more seconds for the realization to hit you), but i want to here encourage you. you see, with these computers, you can make everyone believe that you're churning along under the tow of all eight cylinders -- with text, your thoughts can be sped up in the mind of your reader! i know you would have figured this out for yourself...eventually. so, my good man, let's hear some more of your thoughts on things. flesh in a little more detail -- focus on that 'why' question for your quicker and more nimble fans. so, think away, slow as you please, without fear of ridicule or well-warrented institutionalization.
PS the girls are safe and warm. wrapped in an undersized confederate battle flag (they say they love the feel of real cotton), and working on their annunciation, i've found these two to have an infectious spirit...you may not have them back.
if you're travelin in the north country fire/
where the winds hit heavy on the border line/
remember me to one who lives there/
for she once was a true love of mine,
The question is, will they be able to keep buying? :-)
My 'local' gold online shop pretty much sold out of all popular coins just some chineese and collectors coins left wow
france in particular seems a great short...they will foot the bill for efsf until they get downgraded, or the eu will collapse and they are screwed anyways
How exactly do you short France?
by drinking French wine
US 10y + 30y up now. Market voting on bonds and the verdict is clear.
oh and the other gift to the Germans as their bund prices tank, the IBEX, and the Italian MIB rally as the DAX goes negative. Nice. Hardworking Germans just had an insane ECB use them and their wealth to bailout the corrupt Italian economy.
chump666: Merk's out of the job soon enough and she's thinking "damn that nice salary, all those lovely hotels, Sarkozy kissing my ass :).. She's also desparate not to e pinned as the point person for the demise of the euro.
i hear ya brother, she is finished
gonna have a coffee
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