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First Official Greek Exit Polls: Pro-Bailout Parties Plunge; Anti-Bailout Radical Left, Neo-Nazis Soar

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As we expected, the previous unofficial poll forecasts were total rubbish, and according to exit polls from NET TV, the results are as follows:

  • New Democracy: 17-20%
  • Pasok: 14-17%
  • In a stunner, Syrizia, or the coalition of the radical left - a vehement anti-Bailout party - gets more votes than the ruling PASOK party: 15.5%-18.5%
  • Independent Greeks: 10-12%
  • Finally, and not surprisingly in the aftermath of the French results, the ultra right Golden Dawn gets 6-8% of the vote and will make it into Parliament

Visually from Athens News:

Tallied across, up to 60% of the new parliament will be anti-bailout (at least according to exit polls), and hence "Domino toppling." Good luck with that pro-bailout coalition government. Needless to say these results are very ugly and make any prospect of a pro-bailout coalition cabinet virtually impossible. Suddenly the fate of the European experiment is in the hands of the ultra right and the far left - yup, Neo-Nazis will determine the future of Europe. How quaint... again - congratulations Europe.

For much more on the implications of this stunning success of the anti-bailout powers, see here and here.

And to paraphrase Schrodinger Schauble:


"If Greek voters were to vote for a majority that does not honour those agreements, then Greece will have to bear the consequences of that
" - RTRS

Here come the consequences - Mikaël Charozé will be a very busy man tonight.

Watch the developing election results, whose implications are far greater than anything out of France, live at Mega TV after the jump:

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More exit polls updates from Athens-News:

Public Issue for Skai
 
(min-max, in %)

  • New Democracy 20.5-24.5
  • Radical Left Coalition (Syriza) 14-18
  • Pasok 13-17
  • Communist Party 7-10.5
  • Independent Greeks 7-10
  • Democratic Left 6-9
  • Golden Dawn 5-8
  • Ecogreens 2-4
  • Popular Orthodox Rally (Laos) 2-4
  • Drasi 1-3
  • Democratic Alliance 1-3

7pm Here are the results of the exit polls
 
(min-max, in %)

  • New Democracy 17-20
  • Radical Left Coalition (Syriza) 15.5-18.5
  • Pasok 14-17
  • Independent Greeks 10-12
  • Communist Party 7.5-9.5
  • Golden Dawn 6-8
  • Democratic Left 4.5-6.5
  • Popular Orthodox Rally (Laos) 2.5-3.5
  • Democratic Alliance 2.5-3.5
  • Ecogreens 2.5-3.5
  • Drasi 2-2.8
  • Recreate Greece 1.9-2.5
  • Anticapitalist Left 1.2-2
  • Others 2-4

And just to confirm that the world is losing it, in the Schleswig-Holstein election, according to ARD, after the CDU (with 30.5%), SPD with 29.5%, Green Party with 14%, and FDP with 8.5%, we get... the Pirate Party 8%.

So Neo-Nazis in Greece, Pirates in Germany: the world has officially lost it.

 

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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:10 | 2400746 Mae Kadoodie
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Neo-Greckos??

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:16 | 2400758 Oracle of Kypseli
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The real lesson here for all is that the established parties are no longer in control to play ping pong.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:46 | 2400828 navy62802
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That video reminds me of a certain former Republican presidential candidate ...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:12 | 2400884 Harbanger
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Did he finally say nein, nein, nein plan?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:25 | 2400912 SilverTree
Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:48 | 2400962 your neighbor
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Streaming of NV State convention

 

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nevadaconvention
Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:49 | 2400965 your neighbor
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Streaming of NV State convention

 

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nevadaconvention
Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:06 | 2400866 greyghost
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laugh like hell...far right as the "NEO-NAZIS". but but but...you don't call the far left "COMMUNISTS"? really...unbelievable you clowns still think there is a dimes worth of difference between the two! who has killed more people on this planet..hitler? our sweet uncle joe stalin? how about the great chairman mao? hint: combine the latter two numbers together for a truely stunning figure, throw in the first asshole's numbers and people want to know why there is no freedom anymore. THEY ARE ALL DEAD? yet the buzz words "neo-nazi" fly like crap from a goose. i know there is a reason that both camps shoot the teachers first and ask questions later...do you? since it appears the commie's have taken over....does that mean they are updating their lists?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:27 | 2400916 redcorona
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You can call us nazi's, neo-nazi's, fascists or whatever you want, just don't call us late for dinner.  Seriously though, can non Greeks join the Golden Dawn?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:57 | 2400987 Clashfan
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The term "Golden Dawn" reminds me of Yeats and Crowley. Can't help it.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:03 | 2401002 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Still better than Golden Showers!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:05 | 2401012 Spitzer
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Whatever you want to call them, it sounds like they are warming up the ovens in Europe again...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:19 | 2401280 BarryG
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Hitler;Sudetenland in 1938;
"A defeated nation can even better than a victorious nation be trained and prepared for the day of final victory. It may happen that I cannot win victory at once in this coming war; we may be forced to interrupt it. Then we will all be back underground. But after some years, when the weak and inefficient democracies will have utterly failed to solve the world's postwar problems, then we will suddenly break loose from underground and our stupefied enemies will discover all too late that millions of their own youth, misguided by weak education, disappointed by democracy's failure, will be on our side. Victory in this Third World War will be quick and easy."

http://www.germanywatch.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/de-industrialisation-in-war.html

 

 

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:43 | 2401343 bigkahuna
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All of these European countries are like knats compared to the Soviet Union, err, I mean Russia.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:23 | 2401421 redcorona
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QQ

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:44 | 2400952 TBT or not TBT
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Long story short, both nationalist socialists and internationalist socialists are still STATISTS, and so have much in common.   

During crisis, nationalism comes into vogue with great passion, and the left coops the nationalism shtick of the "far right" socialists.

This will repeat itself across Europe as the cancer of insolvency and impossible entitlement promises spreads like wildfire.

Example, the French "Far right" which are statists across the board just like the mainstream parties, plus an anti-immigrant/antisemitic streak, and a certain nostalgia/pride for French culture.   The setup is the same there as in Greece.   Hollande's strong words against the stability pact and treaties and so on are the beginning of the switch.   He has no pure ideology, it's about getting power, and nationalism/scapegoating sells to a public raised by central government schools to believe their system SHOULD work just fine.   A scapegoat is needed.   Banks, jews, "mondialisme", capitalisme, immigrants, the rich, and so on.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:32 | 2401107 Woodyg
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The banks Are GUILTY -

That doesn't make them scapegoats - it's called justice....

A scapegoat gets Unmerited blame.....

The banksters get well deserved blame.....

Big difference...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:38 | 2401331 Treason Season
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Mandatory down vote for bullshit buzzword "anti-semetic".

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:01 | 2400996 Clashfan
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Just for kicks can we consider Pol Pot in there too? Some people are more brotherly than others, comrade.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 18:20 | 2401737 Antifaschistische
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agree...but this isn't the big miss.  The big miscalculation here is that when these new politicians take they're seats in parliament, that they will stay true to their campaign positions.   Is that ever true?  the non-bailout position was the popular position to take this go-around.   Sort of like, Obama campaigning against budget deficits.   This issue isn't resolved just because of this election.  Let's wait to the first vote to see where they really stand.  At this point, the big money will start to buy them out...one by one.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 03:43 | 2402675 Madrid2020
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If you tell any European pinko that Communism is as intrinsically evil as Fascism,they'll look at you like you're either insane or farted. Point out that Commies killed over 100 million (Stalin,Mao,Pol Pot) and Hitler give or take 6 million and they shrug,then call you a fascist! It's an unbelievable denial mechanism.

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:19 | 2400899 Jake88
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Oh yeah? Tell me who has the money?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:33 | 2400927 dereksatkinson
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I disagree. The lesson is that on a long enough time horizon, ponzi goes to zero.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:35 | 2401121 Darth..Putter
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The results of a divisive control plan, whereby the powered elite get to riffle the pockets of the public without end.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:18 | 2402208 Element
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As Tyler said a couple of months back, as goes Greece, so goes the rest of the ECB/IMF economik kitty-litter in Europe. The EU Commission should have acted earlier ,,,, and banned voting.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:49 | 2400832 slaughterer
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Looks like 2012 will be the third year straight where the global market watches 24/7 the Greek cliffhanger tragedy through the lies and idiocy of EU politicians.    Is everybody ready for this ... ONCE AGAIN?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:40 | 2400947 Desert Irish
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And my friends thought I was nuts when I started buying microwave popcorn by the boxload.....well who's laughing now

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:02 | 2401003 Clashfan
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Really. Either we're watching a wheel come off in slow motion (a seemingly insignificant but actually load-bearing wheel), or this has all been orchestrated (my bet) with the purpose of monitoring, measuring, and psychologically evaluating the blowback (especially electronically). Such measurements help TPTB plan future fun. Long on popcorn and spirits.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:56 | 2400850 Gully Foyle
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/citing-security-us-aban...

U.S. abandons consulate site in Afghanistan, citing security risks

After signing a 10-year lease and spending more than $80 million on a site envisioned as the United States’ diplomatic hub in northern Afghanistan, American officials say they have abandoned their plans, deeming the location for the proposed compound too dangerous.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:39 | 2401137 BigJim
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The sheer genius of central planning is evident for all to see,

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 22:38 | 2402374 rotagen
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Yeah right.  What's a Neo-Nazi in greece?  Someone who wants to end the zionist banker hell that the world is now in?  Actually no humans needed, Fukushima will cause a mass extinction event by the end of the year.  85 times more Cesium than chernobyl people,

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:11 | 2400748 cossack55
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Familiar.  The French commies and the nazis teamed up in 40' to whip the French in 4 weeks.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:45 | 2400825 Long-John-Silver
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How does someone neg history?

Hitler and his Nazi party leaders took Germany from utter bankruptcy to prosperity in just a few years. Everyone forgets that this was the reason the German population supported Hitler and the Nazi's to the very bitter end.

 

You are witnessing a return to European Fascism in it's early stages. History is about to repeat one of it's most destructive eras sense the Dark Ages.

 

America is headed down the exact same path no matter if Obama is re-elected or the Presidency is handed off to Romney. They share the same puppet masters box.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:09 | 2400872 tmosley
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No, they burned capital with fiat currency.  If the Nazis had sat on their hands and not gone to war with anyone save in defence of territorial integrety, their policies would have done exactly what the same policies did in Spain under Marco, ie destroyed the economy.  

Fascism is the same as Communism.  The only reason the two fought each other so stongly was because they were so similar that the same type of people joined both parties, and neither one wanted competition.  Claiming they are different because they fought each other so strongly is like claiming the the Bloods and the Crips are different because they kill each other.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:13 | 2400885 toothpicker
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they were made to go to war

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:07 | 2401016 Vampyroteuthis ...
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In the short term, building a military industrial complex gets the economy going. In the long term, it leads to its destruction through waste of productive capital. For example, see the Soviet Union and soon the US unless we rapidly change our ways.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:51 | 2401181 tmosley
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But they took it much further than they had to, hence my inclusion of the qualifier "save for defense of territorial integrity".

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:47 | 2400959 francis_sawyer
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 "If the Nazis had sat on their hands and not gone to war with anyone save in defence of territorial integrety, their policies would have done exactly what the same policies did in Spain under Marco, ie destroyed the economy."

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I guess on an economic level that basically makes Paul Krugman a Nazi... Hey ~ No arguments from this camp on that...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:09 | 2401031 Clashfan
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Tmosely, I've been enjoying reading your posts for years. :)

I have to quibble, though, with the second half of this post, most especially with the strong wording, "the only reason." I might offer that secret societies and influential families were at work at least on ideologies and financing--on both sides. Start with the Rothschilds (on both sides), Thule (Nazis), and various, other occult societies (Freemasonry, Theosophy). People throw around derogatory terms like "conspiracy theory," but the influence of such groups is difficult to refute. At the very least, too, the Catholic Church (especially some of its interior cadres) was acquiescent in a lot of this.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:55 | 2401195 tmosley
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Such people don't have or produce any real wealth.  At best, it is wealth confiscated from unknown parties in the past, and at worst, it was confiscation from everyone by inflation/money printing.  In the end it is the same thing, and couldn't last under any circumstances, no matter who was pulling the strings.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:43 | 2401157 Lednbrass
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There are substantial economic differences- Communism did not allow private property and private business ownership, Nazism very much did. You could not accumulate any wealth under Communism without being stood against the wall, you could in Nazi Germany.

As noted above, the main similarity was total Statism but that does not make them synonymous by any stretch though alot in the US whose concept of history has been shaped by TV and Hollywood seem to think so and its now in fashion amongs repubs and a few other groups to claim that NS was far left. I dont know what the tax system was like under Stalin, but as a point of reality the highest individual tax rate under Hitler was roughly 15%, considerably less socialist than the US today.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:48 | 2401172 tmosley
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Incorrect.  Party members could and can accumulate wealth in Communist societies, and are the equivilent of the party members who were placed at the head of corporations (or the corporation heads who became party members).  Anyone who owned a major business but didn't join the Nazi party had their property confiscated and given to a party member.

Yes, they were exactly the same.  We just don't see it that way because the Nazi regime didn't last long enough for them to run out of seed corn and unpopular human flesh to eat.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:57 | 2401202 GeneMarchbanks
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You have an eye for historical analysis and for the subtlety of collectivist movements. Also, you're utterly delusional. That is all.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:11 | 2401395 tmosley
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How am I "delusional"?

I see things differently than you do?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:42 | 2401494 GeneMarchbanks
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How? Can't say I'm not a psychiatrist.

You see nothing. You ignore the nuance of all social movements past and present, cherry-picking facts to create generalizations to suit your world-view. As much is reported on these movements in history, even more is distorted --heavily. None of this can be reduced to a sound bite or covered entirely in a blog post.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 19:46 | 2401990 tmosley
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Funny that you seem to think you are the keeper of reality, when you know so very little.

If you want to discuss history, do so, don't pull this passive aggressive bullshit.  I am open to factual corrections, and with enough factual correction, an ideological correction.  I have arrived at my current ideology by passing across practtcally every other ideology out there, and finding them to either be demonstrably wrong or unworkable.  

If you have a problem with the things I say, say so, don't just wave your hands and say "BAWWWWWW--YOU'RE CRAZY!!!@12!"  That is the sign of an intelectual coward.  

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:41 | 2401309 Lednbrass
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Got some examples of non-Jewish non-Party members having businesses confiscated because they did not belong? It didnt work that way, though someone could lose their business for pissing off the wrong Party official or saying things deemed treasonous by Big Bruder (that certainly did happen) people didnt lose businesses because they did not belong. While membership certainly greased the wheels it did not mean your business would be confiscated if you did not belong.

The entire Prussian nobility military caste would have lost their agricultural enterprises if that had been the case, it simply is not true. You are mistaken.

I see two groups in the US who push hard on the argument that Nazism and Communism are identical despite the huge differences. Interventionist foreign policy repubs and Jewish writers- both of which have their own axes to grind when it comes to that period in history. That argument is incorrect and a distortion beyond the argument that both are collectivist Statist ideologies. That aspect is indeed the same, but thats also where the similarity ends.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:26 | 2401419 tmosley
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Really?  You have never heard from the libertarian community that they are the same?  Never seen a Nolanchart with Hitler and Stalin on it?  Here's a hint, they are in the same corner, not separate ones.

And I am talking about Germany, not the occupied territories.  Nazism didn't have time to be fully implemented in conquered lands, and it was war time.  Within Germany, non-Jewish businesses were most certainly seized: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Restoration_of_the_Professional...

Read that article, and tell me that the numerous practices that were owned by non-Aryans weren't subject to being seized and handed over to party members.  If the non-Aryan owner of a law firm was forced to step down, and ownershit was transferred to the highest ranked Nazi/Aryan in the firm, that is expropriation, and is exactly what I am talking about.  For modern examples of how this works, look to Mugabe's Zimbabwe.  Total collapse.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:29 | 2401433 greyghost
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lednbrass...where is the dimes worth of difference? do i care if the dime buys the communist bullet or would i care if the dime buys the nazi bullet before it enters my head???? do i care if my cow is taken for the collective state of communism or if the nazi party leadership wants me to use my cow for beef when i want to use my cow for milk? but party chief, i don't want to kill my cow for steaks, party chief explains that the country needs beef not milk....as he cocks and set his german lugar on the desk? who owns "my" cow????? state ordered controls are state ordered controls. I WOULDN"T GIVE A "DIME" FOR EITHER ONE!

in all your words there is not one mention of freedom....only degrees of control.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:15 | 2400891 vast-dom
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Yes long-dong it's gonna get real. No reason to vote. The sheeple zombies will rise either way...only unknown variable is time.......ing.........go Pirates!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:27 | 2400919 greyghost
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hitler did that by having the german goverment print its own money..putting people back to work...rebuilding the military...etc. cracks me up to this day about all those teachers telling all the good little toe heads about how expensive world wars are to fight and how we americans paid for our part of world war II by simple growth...think baby boomers. yet had no answer how the germans fought two wars in twenty years and massive hyper inflation in between that gutted their country...hmmm. either world wars aren't expensive or the germans figured out how to do it. cornell university used to have the complete nuremberg trial transcripts online for your reading pleasure. you could read about all the horrendous death camps...execution squads..lamp shade manufacturing..etc. but....the pages pertaining to the trial of the nazi bankers and their system of operation...not so much info. ohh the pages are there....just redacted to death...complete pages blacked out except for words like ...the...it...they...crime...and...making any reading impossible. why is that? why cover up testimony about bankers yet all the gruesome details about death, torture left untouched for minor children to read??????

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:02 | 2401001 BLACK_DOG
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I haven't heard the term "toe heads" in years, thanks!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 20:13 | 2402052 StychoKiller
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"Toe-head" != Tow-head 

One of these has appendages growing on their scalp.  LOL

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:00 | 2401216 tmosley
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World Wars are expensive.  Germany was the strongest industrial power in the world prior to WWI, and remained an industrial superpower until allied carpet bombing in WWII.  There was an enormous amount of capital there, seed corn that was eaten up by the war.  

The US paid for the war with gold confiscation and the partial end of the gold standard.  Though the economy remained free enough that growth continued, until 1971.  After that, the fire went out, and we have been coasting since.  The peak of the parabola was the last decade.  Unless we can relight the engines of industy with the spark of freedom, we will do nothing but continue a slow, Soviet style decline in standards of living, even if the government continues to go crazy with expendatures on military and other worthless things.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 18:36 | 2401785 Terminus C
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Nazi monetary system was based on productivity.  Your factory produced wealth the bank "printed" money to match.  This way you could never have monetary inflation (though you could still have actual inflation - more goods supplied than demanded).

Interestingly... hints to the Nazi monetary system exist in our world such as in the board game "Axis and Allies".  The currency of the game is in "industrial production units".

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 19:49 | 2401993 tmosley
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I beg to differ.  You labored, and the bank printed the money in payment.  The labor was gone, but the paper remained.  

Can't you see that a government printing money to pay a worker is the same as a government confiscating the fruits of that worker's labor, or worse, simply enslaving that worker?  It's a bit more abstract than chains around wrists, but it is the same end result.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:05 | 2402182 BigJim
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The Nazis managed to finance their war the same way we finance ours - by establishing reserve currency status within occupied territories (the US occupies by proxy, rather than directly, obviously). The Nazis confiscated the defeated countries' gold and imposed their own fiat.

Even so, they were running increasingly high inflation, and of course, this accelerated as fewer and fewer countries were forced to take their paper. They had price suppression schemes that led to food shortages.

In short - the Nazi were shit economists.

Here's an interesting article of what happened BEFORE the war...

http://reason.com/archives/1999/08/01/nazi-economics/1

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:00 | 2400993 TBT or not TBT
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Nah, the German people got remotivated, in a period both economic and mental depression/cognitive dissonance, by NATIONALIST DEMAGOGY.   

Economic booms happen when people are MOTIVATED to work.    The U.S. economy boomed in response to pearl harbor thanks to a huge upswell of MOTIVATION to WIN.    Actual working conditions and pay conditions WORSENED.     The nazi trick was to get people motivated DESPITE bad pay, bad conditions, by painting a glorious picture of the future, buidling up the people's pride, giving them clear goals to strive for together.

The same will occur over and over again in Europe today as it falls apart, bringing confusion, dissonance, desperation, and a mob mentality that only needs the crystallisation seed of a leader appealing to the nation's greatness, a great glorious national project, and of course, enemies to be brought to justice/annihalted.     The French Revolution went this way too, and ended in the Napoleonic wars, with giant armies of true patriots marching and dieing for the great national project.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:52 | 2401184 Lednbrass
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Despite bad pay and conditions? Have you ever actually met any Germans who experienced those years here in the real world or do you just watch TV? Ive known quite a few, and your statement that things somehow worsened is simply full of shit and entirely a denial of reality.

The standard of living improved dramtically in those years.  They had work, food, a place to live, and increasing disposable income in the mid to late 30's. Life was better than it had ever been for millions.  They werent "tricked", they saw the reality around them every day- things were far better compared to the civil war after WWI, the French Occupation years, and the Weimar disaster.

They followed Hitler and fought to the bitter end for many reasons, but the improvements in everyday lives were quite real after the mess since 1918.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:28 | 2401439 tmosley
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Life was good in the US in the 90's.  Were Greenspan and Clinton Aryan supermen?  Or just flim-flam men who bid everyone feast on seed corn?  Same thing happened in Nazi Germany, only more of it.  BS "labor money" would have fallen apart just like any and all other forms of fiat.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 18:41 | 2401797 Terminus C
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Labour money is not any more or less BS than any other form of money (gold standard included).  Monetary systems can and will be abused for the short term gain of those who control it.  If handled honestly (impossible imo) any monetary system can work, however, human nature dictates the following: honesty < power

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 19:52 | 2402003 tmosley
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Labor money is even more abstract than assignats, which hyperinflated themselves right into a bloody revolution.

Nazis weren't magical economic gurus, guys.  They were Keynsians that got curbstomped before they finished tying the noose they were to hang themselves with.  If the US was smashed by some foreign enemy in 1999, we would look to that enemy the way the Nazis look to us.  Our economic policies would be just as destructive if that enemy tried to adopt them as they are the the US in the real world.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 17:25 | 2401636 QuietCorday
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This is true.

An old friend of mine's grandparents were German. One of the most awkward things, and the reason why I was the only person ever to meet them (despite being a Slav), was that his grandmother's position on Hitler was "Hitler did great things for Germany".  

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 19:54 | 2402008 tmosley
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Lots of people still think Clinton did a great job in lowering the debt, but the fact is that he did it through self destructive monetary trickery, like sawing off ones own leg to fill their belly.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:22 | 2401079 westerman
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National socialism works. Europe before national socialism was a complete failiure. Italy was properous durung mussolini. There was high growth and the fascist/NS countries modernized quickly. Facism/NS means infrastructure, a stable currency, low unemployment, hope and unity. Communism and capitalism where failed experiments, now it is time to build the system that has delivered results. People are waking up and realising that national socialism is the answer. It is great to see that 8% of Greeks are national socialists. Take away the immigrant vote and it is higher. 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:55 | 2401201 Lednbrass
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For some Europeans maybe, but its completely alien to the Anglo Saxon traedition and mindset.

At bottom its only another road to the same hell- total subservience to the State.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:02 | 2401226 GeneMarchbanks
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Anglo Saxon tradition? You mean the monarchy followed by a secondary reassurance layer of Oligopoly by the Industrialists since their very own revolution?

Alien is a great way to describe the social atomization that pervades in the Western Anglosphere.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:40 | 2401337 Lednbrass
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Whatever its flaws, England the New World nations it spawned still allowed a far greater range of social mobility than anyone else did or does. There is a reason that class warfare doesnt get much traction in the US outside spoiled unversity kids and sheltered academics, too many people know or are related to someone what started with nothing and would up wealthy. Perfect? No- but still better than the rest.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:45 | 2401354 GeneMarchbanks
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Perfect? No- but still better than the rest.

You're fully indoctrinated obviously. You haven't seen the rest just assume that it's true. Social mobility? Please, you're making an ass out of yourself.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:50 | 2401361 Lednbrass
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Yes, that must be it. Of course, indocrination. I mean its not like I worked for a European company for years, was born to a European woman, learned English as a second language and have as much family in Europe as I do in the US or anything.

Idiot.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 19:54 | 2402011 tmosley
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Tell that to the people who lived in fascist Spain under Marco.

Fucking idiot.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:49 | 2400834 FlyoverCountryS...
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Has MSNBC told the American Left what they are supposed to think about all of this, yet?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:56 | 2400979 11b40
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No. They are waiting to hear the FOX spin so they can be sure to push the opposite side. The 2 exist for each other.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:04 | 2401007 TBT or not TBT
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I thought the chain was Soros -> Media Matters / Journolist  ->  PMSNBC/lamestream media

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:08 | 2401020 BattlegroundEur...
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left right paradigm...wake up fool

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:54 | 2401192 Lednbrass
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Left/right is a legitimate political argument, its the party nonsense thats the illusion.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:32 | 2401326 BarryG
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Where did you get educated?

The 'French Commies' were the French Resistance AGAINST the Nazis.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:18 | 2401416 smiler03
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Not initially. Eventually the remaining neutral Communists changed to being the resistance with the launch of Operation Barbarossa in June 1941, invading Russia. 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:42 | 2401330 BarryG
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oh well.

Looks like there are neo-nazi views being expressed all over this site too...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:13 | 2400751 Xibalba
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warum nicht?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:12 | 2400753 He_Who Carried ...
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Bah! Let them thieves and liars have a taste of it and then trebuchet them out of the Euro.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:40 | 2400756 debtor of last ...
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Democracy came back to Greece after 2 years. About time.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:16 | 2400759 Mae Kadoodie
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Zeig-Helios?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:16 | 2400760 holdbuysell
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Time for the TPTB to insert a Deus Ex (Voter) Machina.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:20 | 2400767 CrashisOptimistic
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Yup.  New Democracy won't be able to form a govt.

A new election will be held within 6 weeks.  Widespread arrests will take place just before the revote.

Then New Democracy and PASOK will get their 50.1% in the following election(s).  It will take whatever time is necessary to arrest the required number of people.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:50 | 2400837 FlyoverCountryS...
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"A new election will be held within 6 weeks. Widespread arrests will take place just before the revote."

 

Will this be before, or after, the Greek Military takes over?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:21 | 2400903 Jake88
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The Greek what?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:32 | 2400924 Harbanger
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Isn't New Democracy a Maoist concept based on Bloc of Four Social Classes?  Who needs that?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:17 | 2400761 CrashisOptimistic
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Fancy that.  Goose steppers up to Bernanke's front door.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:18 | 2400764 veyron
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insert obligatory deus ex machina joke here

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:19 | 2400768 Fips_OnTheSpot
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NEIN.NEIN.NEIN.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:01 | 2400859 sof_hannibal
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Nein, nein, nein, nein, nein, nicht! Ich habe die Gerüchte selbst gehört! Soldaten Des Dritten Reichs, die die Welt zu dort dem Knie`s gebracht haben, jetzt pickend und wie Hühner gluckend. Wissen Sie das letzte Gerücht, das sie in veranlassten Delirium ihrer Angst heraufbeschworen haben? Das "Bear Jew."

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:21 | 2400771 batterycharged
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Thanks Goldman for making Jews again the center focus of a new depression.

What will Greek concentration camps look like?

I hope those bonuses were worth it.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:17 | 2400898 agent default
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Well the Jews will be rioting, the SS on strike, the communist party will be demonstrating up and down the camp...

Business as usual.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:41 | 2401341 Id fight Gandhi
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They'll want people to riot for them. Why get their hands dirty?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:20 | 2400772 101 years and c...
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maybe ron paul can form the "fuck the fed" party and win the election here.....

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:38 | 2400814 GovtMediaLiars
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I wish. Far too many people are convinced that there would be no such thing as money or civilization with the Fed. Insanity...but widespread insanity.
I hate to say it but I don't even try anymore. Let them all eat cake I say!
Regards,
Traderush Junkie

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:47 | 2400831 sof_hannibal
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Golden dawn = golden shower

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:14 | 2400890 El Oregonian
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Or even a "Silver Morning"... BTW, its also a great 70's Kenny Rankin album by that name...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:22 | 2400907 Jake88
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Catchy slogan. FTF

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:47 | 2401165 Harbanger
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I counted about 14 different Party's in the Greek election.  The undecided Win.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:20 | 2400773 slaughterer
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"The first indication of the result is expected in exit polls immediately after voting stations close, but it could take many more hours to get the final outcome or even a clear picture under a complex electoral system that gives a 50-seat bonus to the first party." (CNBC)

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:21 | 2400774 blabam
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I like the golden dawn logo... reminds me of something.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:25 | 2400792 Strike Back
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Subtle, eh?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:29 | 2400801 CuttingEdge
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Maybe they are related to "Asian Dawn" from Die Hard...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:50 | 2400838 Acorn10012
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I'm a fan of the He Who Carried the Sun logo.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:22 | 2400775 Grey-Ghost
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Neo Nazis and Communists come together to rescue Greece from the Financial Crime Cartel's fascism? Now I've seen it all.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:46 | 2400826 bugs_
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National SOCIALISTS and Global Socialists do have a lot in common.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:44 | 2401348 Lednbrass
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Feel free to elaborate and offer some philospohical similarity beyond "ZOMG both use teh SOCIALIST".

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:32 | 2401456 tmosley
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Both use thugs to take everything from anyone they don't like?  Both redistribute resources into the pockets of the politically connected in the name of the people?  Both policies end up utterly devestating the nations that are subjected to their perversion, whether it is Soviet Russia or Fascist Spain?  

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 03:41 | 2402674 AnAnonymous
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Neo Nazis and Communists come together to rescue Greece from the Financial Crime Cartel's fascism? Now I've seen it all.
_______________________________________________

No. No US citizens want to rescue US citizen nations from US citizenism.

The State is central to US citizenism. The State is what built US citizen nations.

What is happening now is that the level of resources around the world is no longer enough to sustain US citizen middle class in their entitlements.

The extorted and the farmed of the world no longer yield enough.

As long as they did, discordia in US citizen nations were kept low as the larger and larger inflow of inputs toward US citizen nations was enough to bribe US citizens into silent and reduce the pressure around the control of the state apparatus.

With the current situation, US citizen groups are coalescing in order to fight over the state apparatus.

Well known behaviour associated to the expansion stage known as saturation.

US citizen cultural items illustrate that in large number: a gang prepares a heist,the amount of heist is previewed as being enough to satisfy each of the gang members' wants. The heist is proven not to be as lucrative as expected, it is time for doublecrossing, to know who is going to have the same share of the loot as planned, at the exclusion of the others. Thousands of stories like that. US citizens culturally are well aware of what is going on.

Double crossing.
All these US citizen groups are fighting for the control of the state apparatus which will determine which US citizen groups are going to loot the other groups and be kept in their US citizen entitlements.

None of them want to end US citizenism. All of them want to be the beneficiaries of US citizen economics. For that, they need to control the State, a primary cause of the US citizen success.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 05:17 | 2402720 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Blah blah blah.

Just more propagandist doublespeak, strawsmen, and Confusianism from our favorite pointy-eared devil.

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:21 | 2400776 Elorant
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Sounds like EU stock markets tomorrow will go under.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:34 | 2400806 PontifexMaximus
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No, only algo business as usual

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:25 | 2401422 smiler03
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and PMs will seismically adjust by +/- 0.5%.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:22 | 2400777 Great Depressio...
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INSANE RESULTS! Watching Greek news live and they are saying "the memorandum is toast"

Syriza to win second place?! Stunning

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:23 | 2400778 Dick Darlington
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Hearing Goldman Puppet Govt packing into Concorde, ready to be dropped down to Athens and claim victory.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:25 | 2400794 CuttingEdge
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Is that to replace the existing Goldman Sachs government led by Papademos?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:28 | 2400800 Dick Darlington
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Methink they'll just send reinforcements. 300 seats to be filled.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:22 | 2400779 CuttingEdge
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It's a shame the largest polling party in Greece automatically gets 50 bonus seats in a 300 seat parliament...they may have invented democracy but it sure as hell doesn't exist there anymore.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:21 | 2401072 Withdrawn Sanction
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Ironically, the original form of Greek democracy was election by lot.  Saves a lot of time, money, and video tape (assuming the lots are fairly drawn).  They should go back to it....so should we.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:30 | 2401442 smiler03
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@ cuttingedge

"It's a shame the largest polling party in Greece automatically gets 50 bonus seats in a 300 seat parliament...they may have invented democracy but it sure as hell doesn't exist there anymore."

It is much more complicated than you suggest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Greece#Electoral_law

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:40 | 2401147 GeneMarchbanks
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Doesn't exist anywhere, actually, except history. It makes brief little appearances from time to time like Iceland 2008, but was only due to a crisis and the small population.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:01 | 2401225 Oracle of Kypseli
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Let's not forget that the original Greek democracy also allowed citizens to own slaves. (Those who attacked Athens and were captured during wars, were sold as slaves)

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:22 | 2400780 vote_libertaria...
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ummm...ok....so does that mean the Fed is going to print money and give it to Syrizia and they REJECT it???

 

orrrr  the Fed gives money to pirates????

 

Oh well...I'm sure it will be FIXED and BETTER THAN EXPECTED by tomorrow morning.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:22 | 2400782 Cassandra Syndrome
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I wonder what the Greek Neo-Nazi's perspective of Germany is?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:23 | 2400784 rodocostarica
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Yeah and those crazy Paulbots here in the USA taking over the majority of delegates today in Maine and Nevada. What the hell is the world coming to?

Now us crazy dope smokin Paulbots have what looks like 4 solid states towards the five needed to get the good doctor's name into nomination at GOP national convention. GO RON GO!!

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:27 | 2400918 Jake88
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A vote against Ron Paul is a vote for the global facsist bankster plutocracy CFR.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:24 | 2400786 Son of Loki
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Two new parties seem take the lead:

#1....the HDB Party (Hang da Bankers Party); and

#2 the MFS Party (Mo' Free Stuff Party).

It's gonna get sticky there...unless they manually count those hanging chads.....

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:40 | 2400818 sof_hannibal
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The markets didnt already have that priced in... matrix will show all sorts of glitches nxt week, until they plug us back in...?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:26 | 2400793 max2205
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Bullish

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:29 | 2400921 Jake88
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JBTFD

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:28 | 2400798 l1b3rty
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Silver and Gold should have a good day tomorrow morning

http://silvervigilante.com

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:38 | 2400813 sof_hannibal
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Now things are getting kinky

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:16 | 2400895 junkyardjack
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More people sewing it into their clothing

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:34 | 2401112 PhattyBuoy
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We are all "mungerized" now ...

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:27 | 2400799 denny69
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Better give them a chance, at least. The previous rulers didn't do too well. Come up with a viable alternative and there won't be a need for extremes; but it is an extreme situation now, right now.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:32 | 2400805 orangegeek
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It's always interesting when Nazi and far right are said to be the same.  Nazi is short for NATIONAL SOCIALIST.

 

Yet another example of how locusts/socialists alter meaning to further their bankrupt ideology.  They did the same with Liberal (derived from Liberty).

 

The real Liberals are now referred to as Libertarians and Liberals today are.....socialists.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:36 | 2400811 Lost Wages
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Everyone is so confused, no one knows wtf they are.

Exhibit A: Conservative Christians who love Atheist Ayn Rand and believe Jesus was a Capitalist.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:59 | 2400991 GeneMarchbanks
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To even things out a bit... I'm pretty sure Jesus was a huge proponent of private property. I dare anyone to prove contrary?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:23 | 2401081 Withdrawn Sanction
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If a man steals your coat, give him your cloak also...

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:33 | 2401111 GeneMarchbanks
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Touche. That was easy, huh?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:45 | 2401351 Id fight Gandhi
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Seriously fuck ayn rand. I still don't get the appeal.

The ONLY time Jesus got angry was with the money changers in the temple. That says a lot.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:17 | 2401277 Lednbrass
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Yes it was the name - but its also worth noting that in practice it wasnt all that socialist. The last of the true Socialist element in the party that hadnt already fled went down in the Night of the Long Knives (Gregor Strasser and his circle).

Dont get too hung up on labels, we have the Democratic and Republican parties in the US, neither of which have much interest in either democracy or a republic. Hitler was trying to steal the thunder and membership of the left at a time when Communists were quite powerful in Germany, just because a poltical party calls itself something does not necessarily mean much.  German NS was sort of a third way, not Anglo Saxon capitalist and not Communist. A well known quote of his on the subject was "Let the fact that they have food to eat be their Socialism"- hardly the comment of someone committed to Socialist ideology.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:34 | 2400807 Watson
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How long before Greece gets a military government?

Watson

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 12:44 | 2400812 sof_hannibal
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72 hrs. To 96 max.... martial law...

Will be the only way to get greece back inline... or greece is first casualty... dracmas bitches

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 13:31 | 2400925 Jake88
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Interesting thought.  Could it be we are watching our own future in Greece?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 14:03 | 2401005 PartysOver
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Oh hell yes!!!!!!

I have my exit plan.  Do you?

 

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:41 | 2401488 smiler03
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Without going into the nuances of it, there will more than likely be another election in about six weeks, then possibly repeating the cycle several times until they get a majority Government. The Troika might well try and interfere with the process too but maybe that would be the trigger for a Military Takeover.

It aint over 'til it's over.

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