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First Results Are In - Live Tracker Of Florida GOP Primary

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The first numbers in the Florida GOP Primary have started trickling in with the polls still open, and while as already noted DieBold did 'leak' the final results of the election previously, those who either care what the outcome of tonight's event is, or are masochists, or both, are welcome to follow the latest developments below.

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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:28 | 2114872 economics1996
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A lot of old farts will vote for Romney because he promised them a moterize wheelchair.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:30 | 2114880 Evil Bugeyes
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Romunists ...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:38 | 2114902 Alex Kintner
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Romulans win. And Newt is a Klingon half-breed but so what.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:42 | 2114917 UP Forester
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I thought Newt was a Tribble.

And you know the troubles with Tribbles....

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:48 | 2114933 Alex Kintner
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Ha. I think Newt ate ALL of the Tribbles. Hacked up a beaut of a fur ball too.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:52 | 2114946 Janice
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I voted for Ron Paul. Yes, it as a wasted vote, but it was the only enlightened choice.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:59 | 2114970's picture

I don't understand the concept of the "wasted vote." It's not a lottery where you get a prize for picking the winner. You're just supposed to say who you want in office.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:26 | 2115054 CaptainObvious
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It was a wasted vote in a sense because Florida is a winner-take-all state and Paul skipped campaigning in Florida. Paul was never going to win Florida because he wants to close the borders and the Hispanic vote is very strong in Florida, so he was wise to not waste his campaign money in Florida's disparate TV markets.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:31 | 2115076 krispkritter
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It's also a closed Primary so you can't vote if you aren't registered Republican, thus the Independent vote is missing entirely.  The big margin for Romney is terrifying though...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:26 | 2115405 trav7777
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All I know is RP got crushed.  Candidacy over, just like I said after the catastrophe in Iowa

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:01 | 2115476 erg
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Who is your choice in this by the way? Let me guess.

None of the above.

It's hopeless. The last one out turn off the lights please. We get it ok.

This Pavlovian response to RP is annoying.

Why don't you just pull out your lighter and burn the whole world down already. Get it over with for fuck sakes.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:13 | 2115492 erg
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Before you begin, you do realize that pointless ad hominems only hurt your cause.

That lesson alone seems to be really lost to the vast bulk of people.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:10 | 2115626 dwdollar
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All I know is... anyone who votes is a dumb-ass because they are obviously too fucking stupid to realize the vote is rigged. I pray the Chinese will someday use Americans as meat products. At least then some use will come of them.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 03:58 | 2115707 AldousHuxley
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why eat stinky Americans when you can use them as consumer slaves to transfer wealth power to the Central Kingdom?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:33 | 2115505 akak
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It is a sign of a sad, lonely, pathetic, miserable and twisted mind to seek negative attention, instigate pointless arguments and willfully antagonize others to no constructive purpose, particularly to the extent to which Bob Moriarty, er, "Trav" has done all three in this forum.  And that's not even bringing up his gross and consistent dishonesty (e.g., his repeated claims that I was "pumping" silver here last year, when I have NEVER, even tangentially, done any such thing; or his lies that tmosley was screaming "BUY BUY BUY" during silver's price runup early last year, when he was merely cautioning silver holders to stand pat on their positions; or his absurd assertions, with no basis in fact, that ANYBODY who held silver at the end of last year was automatically a "bagholder" who had essentially lost their ENTIRE savings in silver merely due to its end of the year, and temporary, price decline --- and, illogically, regardless of when or at what price they had purchased it in the first place.)

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:39 | 2115523 erg
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I've noticed his mind for more time than I wished. Full of chasms. A nihilist with a white cane.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:18 | 2115566 Vic Vinegar
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Great comment akak.  This sentence is particularily true:

It is a sign of a sad, lonely, pathetic, miserable and twisted mind to seek negative attention, instigate pointless arguments and willfully antagonize others to no constructive purpose, particularly to the extent to which Bob Moriarty, er, "Trav" has done all three in this forum. 

I don't think trav is Bob Moriarty, and I don't really care.  But your comment begs the questions: what does trav actually believe in?  What makes him get out of bed in the morning?  When was the last time he cried?  Has he ever been in love?

These questions may be not serious enough for some of you, but I'd rather ruminate on them than think about Florida voters making their "choice".  LOL.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:50 | 2115601 akak
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Vic, your questions above are not unserious or irrelevant in any way at all --- quite the contrary, in fact, and I appreciate them.

I know that there have been times when I have been in heated debates or arguments online, both here and elsewhere, after which I have reread my comments and thought to myself "Boy, this might really give readers the impression that I am just an angry and hostile guy", which is not much the case at all.  And I will be the first to admit that I am no saint, and have sunk into outright dickishness on occasion here.  On the other hand, I like to think that I have likewise shared some very serious, gentle, heartfelt thoughts with others here as well.  But with Trav and certain others, I get nothing but bitterness, rage and unfocused hostility, which I find sad and, in the truest sense of the word, pathetic (i.e., invoking pathos). 

I've got no great desire to delve into the personal or private lives of others in this forum, or in any other, but I cannot help but pity somebody whose posts seem so consistently motivated by animosity, antagonism and spite, while never demonstrating any sense of kindness, compassion, reflection, spirituality or fellowship.  Trav is a wounded soul, no doubt, and although it can be sometimes hard to feel much sympathy for such people while being metaphorically (and unjustly) flogged by them, we would probably all do well to keep in mind that some lash out at others more in pain than in malevolence.


Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:16 | 2115633 Vic Vinegar
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Tnx for the reply.

a) Do you ever have a perverse fascination with people?  I do when it comes to Eric Cartman, Dominic Chu and trav7777.  I would adopt any of them if it were possible.

b) Keep commenting here akak.  ZH needs legit voices like yours. 

Best regards,


Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:30 | 2115643 UGrev
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The "status quo", "safety-blanked" voters are doing that just nicely enough already. Bunch of fucking pussies don't have the BALLS.. to vote for Ron Paul.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 05:38 | 2115747 Karl von Bahnhof
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...just like I said after the catastrophe in Iowa

it is catastrophe, but for US...

o-bomb/hitlary 2012


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:29 | 2115409 tarsubil
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The old people are determined to have all their savings, pensions, investments, and social security made worthless. Some might say this is all poetic justice.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:35 | 2115429 TruthInSunshine
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#Romney <3 Diebold

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:32 | 2115080 Michael
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Moving on to Plan B; Complete and total economic collapse of the USA and the world. That should solve most of our problems for us.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:19 | 2115501 caconhma
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Will Ron Paul be elected into the White House in 2012? The answer is no.


Even if Ron Paul will get the votes necessary to win, two things will happen:

·      Either the election results will be fraudulently changed or

·      Pon Paul will be assassinated


Ron Paul is a storm petrel. He is an omen to the ruling world banking oligarchy and their mercenaries that, after almost 200 years of their criminal world domination, their empire is coming to the end.


A vote for Ron Paul is a strong message that the real change is about to take place.


Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:59 | 2115547 wandstrasse
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Americans can be damn proud that something like the RP movement even exists. There is none such in Germany, and most probably not in entire Europe. Of course there are a few public voices of sanity here, too. But it is nothing compared to RP and his followers. I know, the RP crowd is actually too small for real political impact... but you have a name, an organisation etc. We do not. When you talk about the monetary system in Germany NOBODY listens. In the US, obviously at least a few listen... Be proud that you brought RP up as far as you did.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 03:22 | 2115676 Deo vindice
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Britain does have Nigel Farage, and though he is no Ron Paul, he most certainly stands out from the crowd of faceless globalists in Europe, many of whom can't put two coherent thoughts together in an interesting way when they speak.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:36 | 2115086 Dead Canary
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No, no, no! We must support Dr. Paul at every opportunity to try and force the Lame Stream Media to acknowledge him as a real contender. Vote early. Vote often.

Ron Paul 2012

P.S.   Bernanke is a Ferengi

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:35 | 2115090's picture

That was a savvy move on the part of the Paul campaign but it still doesn't mean that Paul voters wasted their votes. If anything, it's the person who voted for a candidate he doesn't like because he didn't think that the candidate he did like would win who has wasted his vote.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:41 | 2115112 Michael
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I'm definitely wasting my vote in November writing in Ron Paul or voting for Obama just to spite the MSM choice.

The Ron Paul Girl in this video explains it all;

Ron Paul backer: "You would never hear of a 'former' Ron Paul supporter"
Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:22 | 2115189 Sam Clemons
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Hot, smart and eloquent.  Thanks for sharing.

They mention the support of Ron Paul by the less than 30 crowd.  It seems like a lot of the current older generations want to keep getting their dole outs by borrowing from our generation and the unborn.

There needs to be a revisit clause on laws.  Although the concept of finding wisdom from a mass of people is questionable to begin with, it must be recognized that we didn't vote for the loser congressmen/presidents that allowed the Federal Reserve, started Social Security or Medicare, or got the government involved in marriage and made pot illegal. Thanks a lot older generations having the living standard of two or three lifetimes and passing us the bill!

Not the deficit spending is ever really "right," does anyone else get the feeling that rapidly growing new nations can greatly benefit from borrowing, but old nations, not so much?  There is a time and place for everything.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 10:25 | 2116105 Kobe Beef
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I'm with you Sam Clemons. The metastasizing of the federal government in size, spending and borrowing over the last 70 years is completely unsustainable. It is the biggest bubble of them all. It is the silent deadly heart of all the Boomer Swarm bubbles we have witnessed wreaking havoc across the globe, from equities to real estate to  education to health care to welfare to warfare. No Bridge too far, no project too extravagant that it could not be enacted today and force-financed onto the future.

The Silent & Baby Boom generations really believe in "Salvation through Federal Intervention." It is their State Religion. I suppose it is their rebellion against the milquetoast Protestantism of their parents.

Ours is not to reason why they do it, because deficit spending is their modus operandi, and they will continue racking up the national credit card until they bankrupt this country entirely or enslave future generations to international bankers forever. For example, Boomers George Bush & Barack Obama are putting two of the longest-lasting, most expensive wars ever ON CREDIT. They see nothing wrong with this. It's the Entitlement Generation Mentality. "But I was against Banker Bailouts, or the War on Terror," some Boomers will say. But they would be Pro-Entitlement Deficits when it came to medicare schedule D, Cash for Bastards, or any other litany of federal future-debt-enslavement efforts. It is rare ineed to find a Boomer who doesn't insist on some Stealing from the Children to sustain their lifestyles..

It's time to take grandma's car keys away. Young people must vote Ron Paul, as he is the only candidate proposing limiting & rolling back spending, borrowing, and entitlements.

When that doesn't work, I propose our generation migrate to States' Rights, hard currency and a hard 10th Amendment. Some States will fail. Some will prosper. I admire your effort to enact some Escape Clause into federal law, but I find it hard to imagine such an effort could be succesful in a Washington completely devoted to Patronage & Peony to the People.

Sincerely Yours,

Kobe Beef

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:10 | 2117938 blunderdog
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For example, Boomers George Bush & Barack Obama are putting two of the longest-lasting, most expensive wars ever ON CREDIT.

Er...Obama moved the funding of the wars in Iraq and Afghanist on-budget.  That's a major part of why the "budget deficit" became completely insane the moment as he took office.  (The other major expense is Medicare D which was still going into effect as late as '06.)

Dubya was financing them through supplemental spending bills.

I suppose you can say some given spending is "on credit" because the government's running a deficit, but then, since 1980, it's ALWAYS BEEN RUNNING a deficit, so I'm not sure that's worth pointing out.  One could just as correctly (and misleadingly) say that the wars are being paid for with actual real cash money, and Social Security transfers are all being done on credit.

Minor point, but if you write something as well-reasoned as that, it's worth getting right.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:30 | 2115247 RiverRoad
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Wouldn't it be great if only the people who really, really, really, really, really wanted Obama voted for him and all he came up with was 2 votes?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:08 | 2115629 jeff montanye
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that i will vote for romney if he is nominated doesn't make me a former ron paul supporter.  it does make me a former obama supporter who does not believe there is any way he deserves reelection.  ron paul (or gary johnson ,,,) '12....

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:01 | 2115342 fuu
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The good Doctor pulling in 115484 votes compared to 62887 in 2008. Beating expectations all over the place.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:50 | 2115134 Poor Grogman
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Great stuff CA

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:04 | 2114987 Urban Roman
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All the apparent votes for Paul were hanging chads, and had to be thrown out.

Never mind that they don't use chads any more.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:25 | 2115053's picture

Florida election coverage from Revolution PAC:

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:29 | 2115068 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Janice

+ 1     NOT a wasted vote!


I voted for Ron Paul as well (bitchez).  I am sorely disappointed that it looks like he will only get some 6% - 7% of the vote.  The Republicans will need him to win.  Romney should be courting Dr. Paul now and getting his ideas and counsel.  Will he?  I doubt it.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:00 | 2115168 nmewn
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He will or the GOP dies this year.

Newt as a Tea Party guy? has a weird sense of humor or is the craven political hack I've always suspected.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:02 | 2115347 fuu
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Not that those two things are mutually exclusive.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:41 | 2115439 Assetman
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Tea Party = NeoCon Takeover Commission


Wed, 02/01/2012 - 08:53 | 2115853 Bobbyrib
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According to CNN or Fox News, most of the Tea Party vote went to Newt. Do you think it was MSM lies?


The Tea Party was hijacked by Neo-Cons.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:14 | 2115372 Goldtoothchimp09
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Ron Paul's best demographic is the 29 and under vote.  only 5% of today's voters in Florida were 29 and under!  And, yes, independents couldn't vote either!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:54 | 2114951 UP Forester
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Hopefully he's not a Gremlin.  Eating all those Tribbles after midnight, and a little water, there'd be big-headed Neo-Con warmongers all over in no time....

Shit, guess it already happened.  Time to bust out the bright lights....

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:31 | 2115078 Praetor
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Tribbles or Gremlins won't attack Iran. Romulans will.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:16 | 2115361 akak
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No, it will be the Neoklingons, who are actually just targs in tribbles' clothing.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:30 | 2114884 camaro68ss
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Romney is a RINO. A vote for romney is a vote for a new Obama, A vote for Obama is a vote for bush

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:13 | 2114898 economics1996
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Obama is being fired by Soro’s because he is a fuck up.  Romney will kick the fascist machine into high gear and start incarcerating the masses, and he will go to war for Israel.  The Zionist win, the people lose.  

All America has become is a slave to Israel and the Zionist.  Just remember when these yids get in power they love to kill white people.  Remember the Holodomor.



Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:41 | 2115440 General Decline
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Not to mention that whole blood libel thing...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:45 | 2114922 Al Gorerhythm
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A vote for either Newt or Mitt is a vote to maintain the Social Security money flow. A vote for Paul, scares the living shit out of the folk who voted themselves a pension till death.

Give me some sugar, daddy.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:01 | 2114979 lolmao500
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What's funny is that all these old fools won't get a damn cent or they will be destroyed by inflation.

I won't even mention what their kids are gonna go throught.

Fools shall be fools and they shall bring us all down with them.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:07 | 2115025 economics1996
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The old farts could care less about their children or inflation.  All they want is another paycheck and doctor visit before they die.  And all you ZHers need to stop blaming the Baby Boom generation, it was the GI and Silent Generation that fucked things up with FDR and Social Security.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:16 | 2115028 economics1996
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In Germany in the 20s the old farts did starve to death.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:29 | 2115064 centerline
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Unless the world leaders can "all at once" transport us to some new place of economy behavior and understanding, the promises made cannot be kept.  Either deflationary default or inflationary default is going to wipe out some generation or another.  I wager the baby boomers are in the most precarious place.  If only they could get thier head out of thier collective asses.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:13 | 2115200 economics1996
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The baby boomers will suffer the same fate as the Germans in the 1920s.


When Germany collapsed into hyper inflation in 1923 Countess Judith Listowel wrote:

“My relations and friends were too stupid. They didn’t understand what inflation meant. They didn’t rush to get rid of their money (that was what the Jews and Germans did). All my relations thought it would stop the next week – and they went on thinking so.

They woke up late. They started selling their valuables because they couldn’t buy food – the china from the mantelpiece, the furniture, the silver. That made them think – it made them think when the price of a set of old silver spoons went up from 20,000 to 40,000 crowns in a matter of a week or two. And if you had to sell a valuable writing desk for money which was worth only half as much a week later, of course there was ill – feeling.

It was resented when Jews bought these things. The Jewish women would turn up at parties or at the dansants when we were all broke, wearing the silver fox furs – three at a time for ostentation – and diamonds which they bought from our relations for a song – or what, when they saw them again, had become a song. My relations didn’t know the value of anything. They were stupid. Our solicitors were no better. My mother’s banker manager gave her appalling advice – he didn’t know what he was talking about either.

Ukrainian famine victims. Not in American history books.

Anti-Semitism had been negligible before inflation. Although Bela Kun’s revolution had been mainly run by the Jews, the White Terror had largely purged political resentment. The Jews had been badly treated in Hungry since the 1860’s, and were not received socially for many years. Nine out of ten bore grudges (like George Soros today over the destruction of his beloved fascist Germany?), and when the opportunity of impressing the arrogant gentiles arrived at last, who was to blame them for taking it? When they made a success of inflation, they were hated. When they were ostentatious about it, they were hated even more. It may have been stupid of them, and of course the wiser Jews, especially the older ones, were greatly upset, and remonstrated with the younger, because they foresaw the antagonism their behavior would create.”



Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:28 | 2115583 walküre
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So why exactly are the Jews again running all the printing presses in the world? Kinda stupid because if they didn't learn from history, they're bound to make the same mistakes. But alas, they always come out on top. Must be that book with fables and myths that put gentiles into submission for centuries.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 09:16 | 2115888 economics1996
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For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:02 | 2114983's picture

The funny thing is that Ron's budget and economic plans are just about the only thing that can save Social Security and the value of the currency in which benefits are paid.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:11 | 2115357 DaveyJones
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Yes but Ron was rude enough to suggest that corporations are not people, that imperialism is too expenisve, and that laws apply to everyone. Bastard.  

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:07 | 2114999 juangrande
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That would be the " Greatest Generation" correct? They who sat idly by whilst our great leaders (cough,cough... Reagan) accelerated our path down the road to "serfdumb".

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:52 | 2114944 RiverRoad
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Re camaro68ss:

A vote for Romney is a vote for Goldman Sachs who happens to manage all his money.  Romney will be the "sit in" in the oval office for Goldman.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:59 | 2114971 Chuck Walla
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Romney is a RINO. A vote for romney is a vote for a new Obama, A vote for Obama is a vote for bush


Sadly, I can find no fault in what you say. For completeness, you need to add Dole and McCain, but solid anyway.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:13 | 2115017 CH1
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A vote for romney is......

A vote for a politician is a vote for enslavement.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:20 | 2115040 RichyRoo
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Dont blame me, I voted for Kodos

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:28 | 2115062 CaptainObvious
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Well I voted for Kang, my bad.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:53 | 2115318 toomanyfakecons...
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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:06 | 2115350 akak
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That would be bad stategery on the part of the GOP. 
Only an evildoer would give such advice.


"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice ... um ... er ... we won't be fooled again."

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:41 | 2114913 Atomizer
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They'll appear in droves on voting day. 


Hoveround Electric Wheelchairs Commercial - Go Go Go Original


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:42 | 2114915 HedgeAccordingly
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This should cheer everyone up -

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:33 | 2115082 DoChenRollingBearing
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Thank you!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:23 | 2115047 centerline
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Don't laugh. I live in Florida. The old fucks down here fall into the same basic demographic...

1. Don't really give a shit - just want what is promised to them at any cost.
2. Brainwashed into thinking the failure of the American dream is because of the "damn young-uns" without any understanding whatsoever.
3. Still think there is a difference between political parties and continue to flip-flop to whatever turd or douchebag promises them that the "they" matter most.

Reality is that they were fortunate enough to live during the "expansionary phase" of the great industrial-age debt super-cycle. Normalcy bias convinces them that all will be well because it always has worked out before.

So, as expected with more people who are dependent and/or brainwashed than those who are not (ht to CHS), the US will get the leaders it deserves going forward.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:39 | 2115105 akak
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There's no sheep like an old sheep.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:53 | 2115315 toomanyfakecons...
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That demographic has spread to all 57 states...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:49 | 2115457 Assetman
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The results of that exit poll were just down right depressing.

Well over 70% of our registered voting public in Florida are in the hypno-sheeple state.

It wasn't that much different in South Carolina, either.

God help us.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:08 | 2115190 Gringo Viejo
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Obama? Romney? Pick your socialist. BLOW ME!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 05:41 | 2115732 BlackholeDivestment
BlackholeDivestment's picture no no 96, that's ''monetized'' wheelchairs. 

...could be wrong about that too, it might be  ''vaporized'' wheelchairs. 

  Awe, must need a new hearing aid, but my company dropped the coverage when Rosemary's Baby Care Passed.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:28 | 2114873 bankonzhongguo
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That is why I don't live in Florida.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:13 | 2115018 Nothing To See Here
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Florida voter : i want obama out so im gonna vote for a gop guy who'll do just about the same thing. Now to my soaps and fox news.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:29 | 2114875 spiral_eyes
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First analyst to say it's "over for Paul" buys the drinks.

They forget that if Paul supporters write-in Paul en masse, the Republican nominee loses! 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:32 | 2114887 nmewn
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Paul was on the ballot here. I would know.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:40 | 2114908 Clay Hill
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Felt good to make that selection too.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:46 | 2114928 nmewn
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Yes it did Clay.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:55 | 2114957 YBNguy
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Paul intentionally did not strive for FL. Its a waste as its winner take all and was clearly going to R.Money... RP has been in Maine and generating a great position (and their caucuses are already going on). Tactics BITCHEZ!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:02 | 2114982 nmewn
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Thats correct.

And we used to have 100 delegates instead of 50. The GOP imposed a penalty on Floridian republican voters (in essence) for moving up our primary this year.

Fucking carpetbaggers.

But it is what it is...for now.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:35 | 2115091 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ron Paul voter Bearing is going to up-arrow everyone in the above subthread.

Romney would be SMART to listen to Ron Paul and give him a good time to address the Convention.  He would be smart to at least try win us Ron Paul voters over.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:21 | 2115228 wisefool
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I am sure it has been mentioned here. But there are historical examples in VPs on american general election tickets that were NOT the sole perrogative of the front runner or the party bosses.

In the earlier debates, they did the sadie hawkins thing for each candidate to pick the VP.

What if Paul has enough delegates to DEMAND the VP spot? And the pubs can faustianly or machivellianly accept it? That would be something new for the people to be talking about, and maybe even give the Romney-Paul ticket a win? I am Ron Paul supporter. so please dont anyone consider this sacrilidge. It might be the best way to get sound money and tax reform starting in 2012.

If people complained, there is ample evidence to refute the front runners perrogative. I mean seriously, look at the recent VP candidates. Buffoons all.

  • Biden
  • Palin
  • Edwards
  • Cheney


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:33 | 2115260 Kipper und Wipp...
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speaking of Palin, her movie-of-the-week is coming out, Julianne Moore looks like she nails it (in b4 comments about nailing Julianne Moore) by the looks of this preview:

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:44 | 2115283 VisualCSharp
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Caricatures of caricatures. Exciting.


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:46 | 2115290 Kipper und Wipp...
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While by no means a fan I actually find Sarah Palin to be an interesting subject for a character study...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:48 | 2115300 nmewn
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Try geography while you're at it ;-)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:46 | 2115291 nmewn
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You do realize you can see Russia from Alaska right?

Diomedes, history rhymes in its cunning ;-)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:01 | 2115312 akak
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Barely, from just the right point, on a rare Bering Sea clear day (except from Little Diomede Island, which is geographically as much a part of Alaska as Key West is a part of Florida).  But not really from Wasilla.

(You can, however, see a whole bunch of meth kitchens from her house.)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:54 | 2115465 nmewn
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2.5 miles is still 2.5 miles and horizon is still three. Standing on a hill you can actually see further.

And I'm pretty sure that was Tina Fey that was saying Russia could be seen from her back yard, I never knew Tina had a place in Wasilla, but her virginty is well renowned ;-)

Meth houses...could be...look for the missing

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:33 | 2115084 a growing concern
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Stupidly, however, I did hear some RP ads on the radio from his super PAC. They shoulda followed his lead and focused on the places where he can actually pick up delegates.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:15 | 2115024 Tortfeasor
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Best thing I did all day was vote for Ron Paul

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:36 | 2115098 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1  Me too.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:40 | 2114909 a growing concern
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I think he's talking about the general election.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:51 | 2114941 nmewn
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If its tight between the GOP selection and O'Barry...stripping votes away from anyone running against O'Barry hands O'Barry the Presidency for another four years.

At the end of it all, I'm ABO.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:58 | 2114962 UP Forester
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Gee, shooting yourself in the Left foot or the Right foot doesn't sound like a good plan to me.

Fuck it, I'll vote Gary Johnson if RP is RIP'ed by the press or "Lone Gunman."

I could not in good conscience vote for more enslavement.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:13 | 2115016 nmewn
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The only thing that matters is getting the current, unqualified, B-movie Hollywood production, half witted, narcissistic, hack golfer, Chicago crony capitalist, teleprompter reading, doofus out.

He's an embarrassment to every free thinking responsible person on the entire planet.

And don't even get me started on his very first "major decision"...Joe

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:18 | 2115031 RichyRoo
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So he can be replaced by another garchy puppet?

I dont understand how anyone can say that Rommney will be better than Obama, they will be essentially the same! The only difference will be the control narrative.

Looks like the control narrative is switching from Climate Terror/ Protecting Jobs to Islamic Terror / Free Markets again. prepare for TSA patdowns on subways and ident chips, to keep you safe. Oh and more bailouts and crony capitalism of course.


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:29 | 2115065 nmewn
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You can always exercise your right to not vote.

Knock yourself out ;-)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:31 | 2115075 a growing concern
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Exactly right. The narrative changes so that the Sean Hannity listeners will calm down for four years, and then it will be back to a liberal narrative so that the OWS crowd doesn't get too rowdy. Nothing actually changes, though. People who really think there's a definable difference between Dubya and Obama need to have their head checked. And Romney was pressed in that same exact mold as well.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:25 | 2115640 jeff montanye
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all true but still and all obama should reap no reward for his despicable performance.  defeat him.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:30 | 2115070 Clay Hill
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Wish I could agree.
Yes, BO is that bad. So are his friends.

If four years of economic pain, and erosion of civic freedoms are not enough to open the American people's eyes, then they need another four years of pain IMO.

I will never vote against a candidate again, I did that in '08.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:15 | 2115214 Kipper und Wipp...
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Did you notice the article last week(?) where Biden admitted that he was not in favor of the op to whack Osama? Seems to me that they may be lining up to replace Biden with Hilary or someone else, to try to shake things up for Obongo come the general election. This is an idea that has been tossed around in Dem circles for some time.

And by the way, for those shouting "Anyone but Obama," please enlighten me as to on what substantive policy the Mormofascist kleptocrat Romney is preferable to Obama. There is none. As much as I'd like to see Obama's smug pompous face off my television, Romney is worse. And for those who would say that his Mormonism ought not to be an issue, either research Mormonism some more or hie off to kolob (google it.)

And lots more information on this dangerous cult on that webpage, culled from forum posts by people, mostly former members, who would know.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:36 | 2115649 jeff montanye
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reasons for electing romney:  puts dems in opposition (where they are relatively more useful); punishes obama who made bush's crimes bipartisan and upped the ante (assassination of u.s. citizens ex battlefield); substitutes silver spoon "aristocrat"/vulture crony capitalist for looks black pseudo populist so better chance for sheeple to see the reality; romney really is a wishy washy flip flopper so may get more whistleblowers, fed audits, etc.; christians hate him so will help fracture fundy wing of republican party; must alternate party control to indicate disgust for ruling elite.  no it's not much but what did you expect?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:29 | 2114877 Alex Kintner
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I guarantee that the Wall Street puppet will win.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:32 | 2114888 economics1996
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Wall Street always wins.  It must be fucking nice to be 2% of a nation’s population and be able to fuck the other 98% in the ass whenever you want.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:22 | 2115046 frosty zoom
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Hast du etwas Zeit für mich
Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich
Von 99 Luftballons
Auf ihrem Weg zum Horizont
Denkst du vielleicht g'rad an mich
Dann singe ich ein Lied für dich
Von 99 Luftballons
Und dass so was von so was kommt


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:50 | 2115307 toomanyfakecons...
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Wall Street sock puppet

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:30 | 2114882 No One
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 Can Romney just ask Obama to be his running mate, and Obama fires Biden and ask Romney to be his running mate? 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:32 | 2114889 Parabolic
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Just in case you missed it: This is a MUST watch documentary. MAJOR props to Bev Harris and her crew for really sticking their lives and necks out on the line to find the truth behind these machines. This was featured on HBO--It's called Hacking Democracy. After watching it, I don't even know what to say or where to begin...but really confirms my initial gut reaction about the South Carolina primaries...!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:35 | 2114897 Parabolic
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Push the Paul button on the deducts one RP vote and adds a Mitten

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:45 | 2114923 Alex Kintner
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 Great show. I watched it when it was on HBO. Really exposed these electronic voting machine companies.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 09:13 | 2115880 Parabolic
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Hacking Democracy is a 2006 documentary film by producer Robert Carrillo Cohen and producer / directors Russell Michaels and Simon Ardizzone, shown on HBO. Filmed over three years it documents American citizens investigating anomalies and irregularities with 'e-voting' (electronic voting) systems that occurred during America's 2000 and 2004 elections, especially in Volusia County, Florida. The film investigates the flawed integrity of electronic voting machines, particularly those made by Diebold Election Systems, and the film culminates dramatically in the on-camera hacking of the in-use / working Diebold election system in Leon County, Florida.

In 2007 Hacking Democracy was nominated for an Emmy award for Outstanding Investigative Journalism.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:43 | 2115118 krispkritter
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Watched this today, thanks for the link.  All that hocus-pocus in FL was just proof that those people 'believe' in the system so much that they're willing to do anything to see that it 'works'. Disgusting...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:17 | 2115219 ozziindaus
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Thnaks for the link. Here's a solution. When you vote, you should maintain a paper receipt with a unique serial number. The voting stations should then post every fuckin vote online with the corresponding serial number just so you can check accuracy. Now why is that so hard?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:48 | 2115301 RiverRoad
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Yeah, like a lottery ticket.....why not?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:24 | 2115401 ozziindaus
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because maybe the establishment doesn't want someone like RP in!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:29 | 2115410 RiverRoad
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You got that right.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:30 | 2115245 Kipper und Wipp...
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I just watched this. I had been aware of the issues with Diebold but the docu really does a good job. It is a little weak on the technical aspects but the point stands, actually, the points stand even more if you know a little bit about computer security.

This is really no joke at all.

Watch this video.

And, no, I don't believe that there is a grand conspiracy where some small cabal of people (at least via electronic voting) pick the nominee ... just not how it goes down (there are OTHER ways in which a small cabal picks the candidates, though) ... but in terms of allowing fraud on a local level ... the possibilities are endless. And in some places it hurts Democrats (Florida?), in some places it hurts Republicans (Chicago?) ... the decisions about the machines are made by fairly opaque bureaucratic processes again AT A LOCAL LEVEL, which is where most of the fraud & opportunity for fraud is. Nonetheless, it casts severe question on *ALL* electoral outcomes particularly in so-called "battleground states" etc. where it is easy to imagine national players in one party or another getting involved on the local level to tip the balances, so to speak.

Again, watch it.

P.S. when was this originally on HBO btw?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:23 | 2115395 twotraps
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Awesome, thanks for the link.  pathetic.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:34 | 2114895 bankrun
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No sheeple vote for Paul even though they want to because "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate" "he is not a viable candidate." (courtesy MSM)

Funny thing, neither was Gangrene until the MSM stopped saying that...

Well, sheeple, if you vote what you believe and turn off the fucking TV, you may finally get what you want, not what you deserve.

Romney will win however, it has already be written (funded) by Go(l)d(man).

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:36 | 2114900 Cheesy Bastard
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Great.  Our choice in November is gonna be between a guy named Mitt, and a catcher.



Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:47 | 2114911 HamyWanger
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I'm glad that my fellow Americans finally saw the light and relegated Ron Paul to the dustbins of history.

This freak was a menace, a ticking bomb, for himself and for society. It puzzles how he was even able to post his candidature. His place is in a sanitarium, surrounded by therapists, not in a serious political arena like a U.S. presidential race. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:47 | 2114931 UP Forester
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You mean your fellow Americans that'll be totally fucked when, not if, the currency collapses, and they realize about three days later that maybe they should have educated themselves on the situation instead of listening to talking heads 24/7?

Or the ones that are intentionally voting for further enslavement by the Corporate-Fascist Oligarchs because "it's the cool thing to do?"

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:13 | 2115003 HamyWanger
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Some day, go for a walk. Unseal the heavy steel doors of your retrofitted doom bunker, pop the intellectual bubble you live in, and talk to real people -- I mean, people of flesh and blood, not some 13-year old libertarian asshat on an Internet forum or virtual lizards in the new crap Bethesda Softworks came up with. 

You will discover an incredible world, populated by hard-working, smart, educated, faithful and civilized Americans. None of these citizens, as unlikely and strange it may seem, is preoccupied by things like "bank runs", "COMEX paper", "libertarianism", "gold standard", "State bankruptcies", or the "evil Zionistas". 

In fact, they tend to be perfectly happy with the world they live in --- notwithstanding a few details, of course. But globally, they love this system: universal democracy, a humane Welfare-oriented government, an inflationist monetary policy, a mixed economy, an incredible personal freedom compared to the rest of the world, and a standard of living that never stopped to go up and up since the 1950s. 

That's why they constantly vote for an Ivy League-educated GOP or Democrat candidate. It's not because of rigged elections. It's because they are happy. 

Once you have understood that, and understood that no government in history has ruled without the consent of the majority of its subjects, this world that sounds so scary and full of conspiracies to you may appear a bit clearer and nicer. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:29 | 2115027 akak
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With your head that far up your ass, how do you manage to kiss so many sociopaths' asses --- and all at the same time?


PS: Nobody takes you seriously, "Hamy", nor do I.  I knew the real HarryWanger, I tangled with HarryWanger, and you, sir, are no HarryWanger.  But that is still not going to stop me from automatically junking every one of your posts without exception.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:44 | 2115120 nmewn
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And a hat tip to Judy Woodruff & Brokaw for teeing it up for Bentson.

Third times the charm ;-)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:00 | 2115169 Poor Grogman
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incredible personal freedom compared to the rest of the world

Haven't travelled much eh Hamy?

Nevermind maybe they will eventually deport you, again...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:19 | 2115223 UP Forester
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My favorite "travel" was to Bosnia, a rotation in 2002.

It was amazing how well they were doing 10 years after the 50 year reign of Tito was over.

But, I guess going back to an almost purely agrarian economy after a half-century of centrally-planned economy is a little rough on a society.


And a few million landmines scattered around doesn't make for safe walks on a moonlit night.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:47 | 2115292 toomanyfakecons...
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The Balkans is a safer, more inviting place than Camden...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:23 | 2115049 Dave Thomas
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Hammy, that was a good one. My meter reading is registering a solid Gallagher on that one, the needle is tweaking into the Sandra Burnhardt part of the scale. Definately way past Interior Semiotics this time. Try blurring the lines a little, too much black and white doesn't make it go down so well.


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:25 | 2115052 a growing concern
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Meh. I prefer MDB. He comes across as a little more sincere. Keep practicing, though. You'll get there.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:27 | 2115061 whthewrld
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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:37 | 2115099 a growing concern
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Have you been burninating the countryside? Burninating the peasants?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:34 | 2115087 CaptainObvious
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They're only happy because they are clueless.  They are more concerned with the SuperBowl and the latest iCrap than they are with liberty and a sound economy.  If they unplugged from their tech and educated themselves they would be scared.

I'm no conspiracy theorist...I am a realist.  And the reality is that we're all fucked if we continue on the present trajectory.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:49 | 2115132 The Old Man
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Normalcy bias has taken over the world you live in. You just proved it!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:43 | 2115282 toomanyfakecons...
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We need look no farther than places like Camden, NJ or New Bedford, MA to see the U-turn our standard of living has taken...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:51 | 2114942 Sathington Willougby
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"I don't always troll, but when I do, I sound like a fatuous ass." - HamyWanger

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:05 | 2114996 NotApplicable
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He's been marginalized by M$B, and is trying to play catch up.

Like gun-fighters, there's always a new kid lookin for a spot. Take as much as even a day off...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:18 | 2115030 akak
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"Stay thirsty (for freedom), my friends."

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:19 | 2115035 rodocostarica
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fuck off hammy ass. RP aint done. He will win either Minnesota or Nevada and maybe more. Assholes like you are the ones who will be in the dustbin.



Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:51 | 2115665 Tyranny is Love
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RP's results in the primary will provide an interesting indicator regarding the American voters opinion on sound money/liberty etc versus the status quo.


The results will be broken down by District, or maybe even further. It would be very helpful to know by neighborhood or even better by street what proportion of the population were willing to take a stand on these issues, (by voting).

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:20 | 2115038 frosty zoom
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you forgot to mention hitler.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:45 | 2115287 toomanyfakecons...
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Serious political arena? You mean a sock puppet political arena...

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