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First Results Are In - Live Tracker Of Florida GOP Primary

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The first numbers in the Florida GOP Primary have started trickling in with the polls still open, and while as already noted DieBold did 'leak' the final results of the election previously, those who either care what the outcome of tonight's event is, or are masochists, or both, are welcome to follow the latest developments below.

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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Kipper und Wipp...
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I'm new here, but I can already spot the trolls.

You put a remarkable amount of effort in, though.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:40 | Link to Comment ozziindaus
Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment Tegrat
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Seriously, do people here really think that there's some banker(s) who's arranged to change the votes of the citizens? This place is full of nutz. Friggin anyone on the ticket's better than Obama by miles....

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:22 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Lol. Just remember that when Romney bombs Iran, gives sweet handouts to his Wall Street buddies, and starts detaining US citizens and sending them to Saudi Arabia after an attack in the US by "radical Islamic extremists".

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:11 | Link to Comment akak
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Never in my life have I, and never will I, vote for the lesser of two weasels.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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My sentiments exactly...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:00 | Link to Comment Kipper und Wipp...
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I repeat what I asked above--what substantive advantage do you suppose that Romney has over Obama?

Santorum is (literally) a bad joke ...

Gingrich at least has a track record of getting shit done in Washington and comes up with an original idea or two ... bought & paid for of course but he does have an independent streak and that is something to be respected.

Ron Paul of course beats anyone by a mile who's run in decades except for his own bad self.

But Romney, dude, seriously? Romney?

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:49 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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vote for romney for his weaknesses and against obama for his "strengths" (endless war, tbtf, citizen imprisonment/assassination without trial, whistle blower torture, perversion of reform candidacy, massive epic lying, hoop jumping for israel).  alternate political control to show dissatisfaction.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Zola
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haha 70 pct of the electorate is over 50. Old people brains have become useless. It is amazing to see the difference between these old fools and the under 30 massively pro Ron Paul. Shameful. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:06 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Thanks for knocking old people. Ron Paul is 76. Is he useless?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:13 | Link to Comment akak
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Ron Paul is, sadly, just the exception that proves the rule.

Most people in the USA are sheep, but the level of sheepishness only rises in proportion to age --- exponentially, too, from all appearances.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Tegrat
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"Old people brains have become useless."

And your average 18-22 year old brain is superior? I'm not that old but rarely see a dumb 50 year old. As a landlord of > 20 years to a college crowd I consider the brain useless until about 25.

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:56 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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As long as that sack of shit Gingrich is out, I'm happy.

Romney is the same as Obama, but Gingrich is just pure evil.

And as always, Ron Paul ain't getting what he should be getting in terms of votes... election fraud + people being stupid...

Ron Paul won't make it...

Time to work on my bunker because let's face it, these nuts are gonna put us into civil war or world war 3 down the line.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment Mr_Wonderful
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Maximum brain weight is at 20. From then it´s downhill and at 70 the brain has typically lost up to 15% of its weight. When you consider that people tend to get promoted to the higher and more powerful position the more braindead they get, you understand better the mess we´re in.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Yeah, but brain weight isn't a function of intelligence or wisdom, sure the synapes don't fire as fast and such. But a solid catalouge of "OW IT HURTS DONT DO THAT" kinda makes up for the difference.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:41 | Link to Comment Spacemoose
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i'm just as smart in my old age.  i'm just not as smart at the same speed.  also, old folks have more personal experience data points with which to draw trend lines.  (and the trend is ugly).

oh and i will vote RP when my turn at the polls comes.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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Old people better wake-up and vote for the old guy. Romney will take retiree's to the cleaners along with the rest of the country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jVUQuJDEs04

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment Puffnstuff
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I voted for Ron Paul as well.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:58 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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The fucking Bullshit I say. WTF . Ron Paul should and must be number 1.
Fuck the Greedy Ole Pigs and Dumbos . Enough of this crap

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:58 | Link to Comment blabam
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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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What is this?  To me it looks like two people kissing (?)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Chump
Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Sathington Willougby
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Meanwhile, in Maine, Ron Paul stands to gain more delegates than Sanitarium and Gangreche will in Florida.  

Ron Paul already won.  The two clowns failed to get on ballots.  Those aren't serious candidates my friends.  They aren't even fit to change depends in Florida.

Count the delegates when it's all over and you get a brokered convention.  Put Ron Paul on the ballot or you'll get write-ins and the GOP suffers a loss of about 15 million fresh faces under 40.

Unelectable, those are strong words coming from a servant.  Now get back to your debts slave.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:09 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Today I signed up for Ron Paul's Pennsylvania Signature Campaign. We need to get signatures for Paul delegates so there's a full slate come election day. Deadline for signatures in mid-February.

PA election is in late April and is winner take all. Closed primary, you must be registered Republican to vote for Paul.

 

https://ronpaul2012.wufoo.com/forms/become-part-of-the-ron-paul-signatur...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment Kipper und Wipp...
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Paul, Santorum & Gingrich will all get the same number of delegates. 0. FLorida is a winner take all state.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:12 | Link to Comment Tegrat
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Lol you stated a fact and got -1. Seriously, some luzres at ZH can't face reality and probably dont have the capacity to push a chad thru the paper.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 20:59 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Look at the trick Newt pulled today in Florida...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/newt-gingrich-robocall-mitt-rom...

Gingrich robocall is claiming Romney forced Holocaust survivors to eat non-kosher food


Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:06 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Could you imagine if Gingrich had gone negative?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:07 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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Rick Santorum - Killing Scientists is a "Wonderful Thing"

This guy scares me and he gets 13% WTF

 


 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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In a sane world, Santorum wouldn't even be in charge of the organization of a picnic, much less running for president and getting 13% of the vote.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:03 | Link to Comment PLove
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Why is the GOP so determined to pick a loser?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment RiverRoad
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Most likely because GOP party heads already know (or think they know) via private polls that this is a "throw-away" election for them just like McCain-Palin was a "throw-away".  If the party elite thought they really had a chance at the presidency, there'd be a whole different field of candidates out there.  Just watch 2016.  But Goldman's going for the gold ring here and Romney's their man. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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My theory is that they don't want to win. They are just as happy hanging this mess around Obummer. Which pisses me off even more. As much as I can't stand Obummer , I can't stand a coward's act like that even more.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 04:53 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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Why is the GOP so determined to pick a loser?

Maybe they are least smart enough to realize they don't want to be the ones holding the bag when the 16 Trillion $(declared) debt bomb detonates.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:25 | Link to Comment razorthin
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Fuck this shit.  I am finally going independent.  It will give me plenty of time to woo the Democratic support I need to win.  And well, if I don't win - at least plastic man won't either ;

After all if its not me, it might as well be the keynesian coxxukker you know.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The GOP in Florida is no brighter than the GOP in S. Carolina.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:06 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Fed official owned shares of bailed out firms
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/31/news/economy/fed_financial_disclosure/in...
Choke this bastard with IPADS

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Reese Bobby
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A Mormon?  Really Florida?  Magic Underwear?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:18 | Link to Comment whthewrld
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Low Blow Dude! Do you know how many Mormons are for Ron Paul - Mormons are for the Constitution - Magic underware and all

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:53 | Link to Comment Reese Bobby
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I can't wait for Paul's landslide victory in Utah.  Very exciting!

Still, I'll decline bowing down to the World Council of Churches.  You know dude, eternity and all.  It is never too late.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:10 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Listening to NPR's exit polls on the way home and man it's scary what's out there.  Heard a bunch of people voting for Romnewtny and their only reason was their ability to beat Obama. Disappointing to say the least. Only bright spot was the guy who called in and said he voted for Romney "...because he has a huge penis! No really he has a huge pen..."...ROFL  (PS. I voted for Dr. Paul)

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:16 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Baba Booey still survives.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:18 | Link to Comment frosty zoom
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people only voted for oblahma because he wasn't wush...

 

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Zola
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Greatest generation is 88y old and above. There are not that many of them left. 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:21 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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You right. Now the ``old people`` are the spoiled generation, the one that was born in the 50s. They are the ones who fought in Vietnam. The ones who elected Nixon.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:25 | Link to Comment frosty zoom
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james brown was the last great republican...

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:27 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Hardest working man in show business.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Turgid_Member
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And nobody could back-hand their women as well as he could.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment RiverRoad
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Just have to share this with the good folks at ZH:

           Went to vote in the FL primary today.  They call out your name as you enter the room and you then enter a "private desk" to fill out your ballot consisting of a single sheet of paper on which you have to fill in a space between two large, opposite facing arrows next to a candidate's name to indicate your vote.  You then insert your ballot face up in a machine (similar to a fax machine) which happens to have a person standing right next to it who happens to stare down at your ballot as you feed it to the machine observing exactly how you voted.  Damnest ballot I've ever cast in my life.  Cast it for Ron Paul though.  So I still have my self-respect; can't say as much for the gal at the voting machine.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment rodocostarica
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Yeah and Adelsons big money for the baby eater does not do the trick. Gingrich loses the jew rich counties.

Good luck all you blue haired dumb fucks. RP could have helped you but you are just going to have to suck it in now.

 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:30 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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As I wandered out
On the streets of Miami
I said to meinself
This is some fancy town

I called up mein partner
And said, "Hello, Sammy
Go pack up your satchel
And mosey on down"

I got me a bunk
In the old Roney Plaza
With breakfast and dinner
Included of course

I caught 40 winks
On mein private piazza
Then I rented a pinto
From Hertz Rent-a-Horse

He rented a pinto from Hertz Rent-a-Horse

My partner flew down
On a non-scheduled airline
You never did see
Such a pale-looking man

I recognized him
From his receding hairline
He recognized me
From mein beautiful tan

Twas then that I heard
Fighting words from mein partner
He said, "Marvin, the Roney is no place to stay

I'm going to the Fontainebleau
Partner, it's mod'ner
And I'll charge to the firm 60 dollars a day"

He'll charge to the firm 60 dollars a day

I said to him, "Paleface,
You hanker for trouble
With the company checkbook
You quick on the draw"

He smiled and said, "Stranger,
For me that goes double
'Cause west of the Fontainebleau
I am the law"

Next morning
The whole Lincoln road was deserted
And somewhere a hi-fi was playing a tune

'Cause everyone knew
Someone's gonna be murdered
In a duel in the sun
On the stroke of high noon

A duel in the sun at the stroke of high noon

I took careful aim
With mein trusty revolver
The clock in the Fontainebleau
Struck 12 o'clock

I shot and Sam crumbled
Just like a piece halvah
And that's what they called
A bad day at Black Rock

They came with a posse
And took mein sixgun away
The crowd was too angry
To leave me in jail

The sheriff said, "Outlaw
I'm gon' let you run away
But don't ever be seen
South of Ft. Lauderdale"

So now I can never go back to Miami
And New York is so cold
That a person could die
I'd be better off dead
Like mein late partner Sammy
'Cause he's in that big Fontainebleau in the sky

'Cause he's in that big Fontainebleau in the sky!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The only good that comes from this is that as Dr. Paul picks up delegates my state might actually come into play this year.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:54 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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That's my hope too Dr. Engali.  My state is so far back in the primary schedule that it usually doesn't matter who I vote for because the nomination has already been decided.  I would like my vote to actually mean something this year.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:52 | Link to Comment blindman
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Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Tuesday, January 31, 2012 -- 8:00 PM EST
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Romney Wins Florida Primary, Regaining Momentum

Mitt Romney has won the Florida primary after aggressively beating back a challenge from
Newt Gingrich and regaining momentum on his relentless march toward the Republican
presidential nomination.
[ Interviews with voters as they exited the polls in Florida allow The New York Times to
project that Mr. Romney will win the state by a wide margin over Mr. Gingrich, who will
come in second. ] Ron Paul and Rick Santorum will finish the night behind the two leaders.
The campaign now shifts immediately to Nevada, which will hold its caucuses on Saturday.
Mr. Gingrich has vowed to continue his battle against a man he calls “a Massachusetts
moderate.” And Mr. Santorum and Mr. Paul have already left Florida to begin campaigning
in the upcoming states.
Read More:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/results/live/2012-01-31?emc=na
.
the inappropriate use of language here is revealing and does not reflect well
on the n.y.times. it is pretty obvious they are paid shills
with a god complex and no integrity, they make that plane.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:55 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Well Romney got great hair, so he deserved lots of votes.

/you know some (a lot, mainly women) people voted for him because he looked nice

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:01 | Link to Comment akak
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Ever notice how political pandering kicked into high gear, along with statism in the USA in general, once women were given the right to vote?  Bad mistake.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:23 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Hmmmm.... you might be on to something

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:37 | Link to Comment Vic Vinegar
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We don't get the Zeitgiest link from you tonight?  What happened to your passion?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:06 | Link to Comment blindman
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The Century Of The Self-Full Length Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPzGUsYyKM
.
it wasn't the voting but the smoking campaign by
e.b. where the elites confirmed they could control
the behavior, consumption and production of a people.
since then the elites have treated the populations
increasingly like lab rats because it is a science, profitable
and they can. they learned to define your frame for you,
to use those around you to define you, then they control
your language and imagery. done. no exit. ?
.
you must be dedicated to liberation to even begin to see
a way.
.
Are we All so fast Asleep?
January 30, 2012
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/are-we-all-so-fast-asleep/

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:18 | Link to Comment zerohedgeJUNKIE
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And in the doom and gloom future is Mitt the Ripper sittin in Washington and when s%^t hits the fan in the brittle financial system we have right now massive inflation or worse hyperinflation. He has a nice hair that people can depend on, because masses know better that a Doctor, Economist and a Consistent voter for balance the budget and sound money who is Ron Paul seems to be not quite enough,

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 21:57 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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Yeah, the words "relentless march" made the bias pretty clear.  There have only been four primaries/caucuses thus far, and Mittens won two of them.  Doesn't sound like a "relentless march" quite yet. 

I look on the bright side though.  When I run out of FRNs to wipe my ass with, I've got a big stack of NYTimes to pick up the slack.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:15 | Link to Comment blindman
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that was the phrase, "relentless". just about there
i'm thinking blow it out your ass. and the lead line
" romney wins.." , he didn't win. they "project"
that he will win. they don't see any difference between
what they think and what is or will be based on little
to nothing other than their conviction that if they say it
repeatedly it will be so and if they are paid to say it
they can make it happen.
also that part i put in brackets. based on some interviews
they can command the placement of the candidates. they will
say their survey techniques are scientific and therefore
accurately predictive? i say they are practicing mind control
for "money" and the overall result is they dumb down their
readership and help turn them into intellectually neutered
sheep who will go to slaughter upon electing the butcher.
it happens every four years in this place.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment SILVERGEDDON
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All of them. Repubnicants. Dumbocraps. Religious leaders. Fanatics. Power hungry dollar junkies. Same shit, different toilet. Doesn't matter. They are all Klingoons from Uranus. Gather them all from around the world, all control freaks, politicians, bureaucrats, etc. Put them on a desert island out in the Pacific. See if any of the Cold War atomic bombs are still working with the island as ground zero. Problem solved, now it is time to re - create Eden, the Garden of Paradise. Heaven on Earth. Peace and Good Will to all Mankind.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:08 | Link to Comment zerohedgeJUNKIE
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Although RP didn't make it in Florida. A lot of solid RP supporters are there. If not only for Big Bank Support from Goldman and Corporate Friend of Mitt the Ripper. Ron Paul has a chance but seems to many that many are disenfranchise at the voting system by having a winner take all system (independents and the young voters who are undecided don't have a chance or say) I guess the winnding candidate at FLORIDA is the best candidate money can buy. RP vote is never wasted it will only grow in velocity. He's concentrating is Maine and Now he is in Colorado check the Vid. Ron Paul 2012 ! Liberty, Peace, Sound Money and Freedom.

At Colorado

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CVleBq8PW6g

Grass Root Message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-mSxsDAZOU8

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:07 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Ron Paul should ask the veterans who support him to march on Washington DC. Who will protect DC? Congress has a 8% approval rating and most of these are sheeple. They won't do squat.

Time to restore the constitution.

Elections and protests won't do it.

You think George Washington kicked the red coats out by protesting? Ha!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:21 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Veterans marching on Washington? Tried that in '32 and they were shot and torched...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_march

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:26 | Link to Comment blindman
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washington had the support of the local
elites and the locals. things have changed.
today the foreign enemy has the support of the
local elites and many of the locals. no?
how did they do it? that would be the purpose
of banking; it is the money system as it intersects,
modulates, integrates human interactions, exchanges of
energy and social status.
" you're gonna need a bigger boat." chief ( jaws )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gciFoEbOA8

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Here is what I find simultaneously alarming and hilarious:

The race has boiled down to:

One guy who practices a religion that dictates he wear "magic underwear" and he is promised to be "king of his own planet" after death. (Romney)

Another guy believes that we can build a working space colony on the moon, populate it with 15.000 Americans (within 8 years mind you) and declare it our 51st State and he's also in favor of the death penalty for marijuana possession. (Newt)

And yet another guy wants to outlaw birth control and believes that a woman should view a pregnancy which is the product of rape as "a gift from god". (Santorum)

Yet Ron Paul is the "crazy" one because he wants to end the wars, abolish the Fed and IRS and legalize pot?

Seriously...what the fuck is wrong with this country? Are people really that fucking stupid?

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Liberals think that Ron Paul want to give states the power to ban being gay.

Seriously. The liberals (and probably the ``conservatives``) have bought the lies of the medias.

You can't have free elections if you don't have free medias.

Free elections? NOT YOURS!

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment Baleful Runes 4 U
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"Liberals think that Ron Paul want to give states the power to ban being gay."- lolmao500

if by 'being gay' you mean the actual practice of sodomy, then you are entirely wrong

"Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment 'right to privacy.' Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states' rights—rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas." -Ron Paul, 2003

All you geniuses who think Paul is 'really' about personal freedoms are misguided, at the least.

Voting is for losers anyway. Really. People need to grow up and get beyond the illusion that voting could ever in a million years "fix" things as they are now developing.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:44 | Link to Comment GernB
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I'd have to hear your definition of 'really' about perfonal freedom. As far as I could tell he'd be defined by many on both side as radically in favor of personal freedom, to the point where he'd have very little government interfention.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:01 | Link to Comment Baleful Runes 4 U
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What is unclear? Although Paul, I imagine, would not personally vote for a ban on personal sexual behavior , he makes it crystal clear that it is (in his view) well within the constitutional rights of the states to do so. 

"There are, however, states' rights—rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards" 

Well, the idea that your neighbors could vote to bar you from sexual behavior with another adult would not jibe with any definition of personal freedom I would come up with. Do tell me how that is not government interfention (sic)

This is all academic anyway. Your vote does not fucking matter. Get it through your heads people. You are thinking like naive little children.

 

 

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 11:13 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Listen you dumbass. Doesn't matter what states do, THEY CAN'T VIOLATES PEOPLE'S RIGHTS. Bill of rights. States rights don't overthrow that.

So STFU already.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:27 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Doesn't matter what states do, THEY CAN'T VIOLATES PEOPLE'S RIGHTS.

Right.  Because the Feds will oversee the states when it comes to test in the Supreme Court, which is very careful to prevent violations of the Bill of Rights.  The FBI or Secret Service or whoever will parachute in and protect your rights.

(Bwah ha ha ha!)

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Baleful Runes 4 U
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Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:26 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Not stupid... just too domesticated... and things are about to get awfully primitive.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:44 | Link to Comment blindman
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i didn't know about the under garment thing, the
space stations, the death penalty for pot or
the gift from god comment. interesting and thank you!
.
but ending wars, what? has that guy lost his mind?
how will we finance the psychopaths? see, you have to
think about these things, think it all the way through
my friend. there is a madness to their method.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:24 | Link to Comment Westcoastliberal
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Sorry to say but that's about it, if you believe the MSM.  The gene pool is VERY shallow. Yu'all come back now, ya heer.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 04:47 | Link to Comment psychobilly
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and he's also in favor of the death penalty for marijuana possession. (Newt) 


You’re right.  I had to look that one up.

"That was a sign we were alive and in graduate school in that era,"

-gingrich to New York Magazine on being a pothead 

Too funny.  gingrich and santorum are barking mad.  Liberty, according to santorum, is defined as the freedom to do what the government tells you.  You can't make this stuff up.  A gingrich or a santorum is there to spook the more sentient of the herd into voting for someone who is merely corrupt and evil.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment Bloodstock
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Never give up! RON PAUL - 2012 - RESTORE AMERICA NOW

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:35 | Link to Comment junkyardjack
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Ron Paul is just getting sad right about now.  Time to call it

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:33 | Link to Comment walküre
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Right. Time to declare a 3rd party candidate and really FUCK the establishment and most of all, FUCK the GOP and Romney.

Either way. Obama is getting the 2nd term. GOP made sure of that.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 08:14 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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Agreed... split the vote and FUCK the GOP and Romney.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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They sure are putting on a good show for us. Making it look like old Mitt can stand up to Obama because he beat back a " strong" primary challenger with Newt. All the while the one message (Dr. Paul )that they don't want the people to hear gets silenced with all the political theater.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:00 | Link to Comment twotraps
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Is anyone interested in the fact that Mitts great ancestors were lobbying congresss to go easy on polygamy?  Anyone else notice the uptick in Mormon advertising on the web??   It will be the single greatest cult confirmation/endorsement ever, a religious coup pretty much.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:15 | Link to Comment RiverRoad
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The Fed wouldn't rig elections now the way they do the markets ......would they???? 

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:25 | Link to Comment twotraps
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Doubt it, why bother, they are sitting pretty and don't need to dirty themselves with things involving the little people.............just have the next guy come over and kiss the ring when the election circus is over.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:31 | Link to Comment walküre
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So let me get this straight.

Americans will face the choice between a man who as a vulture capitalist has single handedly destroyed more businesses and jobs in the USA than any other presidential candidate before him or the incumbent who made lots of promises, kept a few, has lousy approval numbers and is villified as a communist community organizer or worse by conservatives?

Thank you, I go for the incumbent.

Romney is ALL that went wrong with America over the last few decades. He's the epidemy of Wall Street excesses and greed.

A vote FOR Romney is a vote FOR Wall Street and a vote against Main Street. Romney stands for CORPORATE America where CORPORATIONS win, win, win and people get thrown under the bus all day and all night long.

If Romney were to win the elections, the country is one important step closer to revolution.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Uchtdorf
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Saul Alinsky = Obama = End of freedom.

I'm no Romney man. I worked for Ron Paul in his 1976 special election and have supported ever since, but to equate Romney to Obama is not logical.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:50 | Link to Comment walküre
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I followed the '08 elections and the fear mongering about Obama being this and Obama being that. Hype and b.s.

In the end he's not any of that or a bag of chips. Whatever policies his administration is putting forward are the policies that the lobbyists who paid for his electoral win are asking them for. It is America after all.

Romney is just adding insult to injury now. It's already pretty obvious that "We The People" are all pretty irrelevant to the elite. They need to rub it in. You thought the corporate assault on the American people was bad now? Just wait and see what a guy like Romney could do.

Romney is the personifcation of a corporate psychopath.

Tue, 01/31/2012 - 23:39 | Link to Comment GernB
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Do I have to be in Florida to get my Moterized chair? Where do I vote for Romney.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 00:35 | Link to Comment TheObsoleteMan
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Dr.paul did the right thing when he decided to forgo spending any time in Florida beyond the debate appearance. He will do allot better out west, where many of the next primaries are to be held. The problem with Florida is that about 75% of the population recieve some sort of gubmint check, either from social security, veterans benefits, welfare, etc. Aside from California and maybe Arizona, Florida is full of status quo dependants. When Dr. Paul talks about things like personal responsibility, liberty and small gubmint, it scares the shit out of them. Sad thing is that many know the whole system can't continue on like this, yet they vote to protect it every time. Sad isn't the word. All of these grandparents down here talk so glowingly about their grandkids, and just love them up when they come down from up north for a visit, don't want to admit they are complicit in destroying their grandkids future by perpetuating the current system. When you try and talk to them about it, they get just short of violent:"God damnit, I paid all of my working life into this thing, now I want my money back!" Is the usual response. Then i tell them their contributions were spent years ago on other things, and the social security "trust fund" is empty of any thing besides Treasury Bonds {IOUs}. Money is being borrowed to pay out their benefits, and guess who is going to get stuck with paying it all back? THEIR GRANDCHILDREN, THATS WHO. Yeah, granny REALLY loves her babies allright. Selfish liars. Their fault was that they trusted politicans with their money to run a retirement fund. Guess how that is working out.......

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:39 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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Money is being borrowed to pay out their benefits, and guess who is going to get stuck with paying it all back? THEIR GRANDCHILDREN, THATS WHO.

Nope, the financial system will collapse and cease to exist well before then.  The debt will simply disappear along with the financial system holding it.  USD and every USD-based asset will be worthless.  Toilet paper in every sense.

But the American economy will go down with it. That's the bad part.

What comes out the other side is anyone's guess, but lots of people won't live to see it, including me possibly, I might not live to see it.

That's not to say it's a long way off.  It'll probably happen in 5 years or so, maybe sooner.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:03 | Link to Comment TheObsoleteMan
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Alien-IQ; Once you understand mass psychology, you will understand. The jewish elites pioneered the science of Social Psychology. They understand us better than we do ourselves. The country is suffering from a combination of illnesses, Stockholm Syndrome is not the least of them. We are what we are today due to conditioning and programing. It takes allot of effort to break free from our unseen chains, and sadly most americans are either not up to it, or would'nt, even if they could see it. it is going to take COMPLETE COLLAPSE and total loss of our freedoms before most people even begin to get a clue as to what has been done to them {all with their compliance and permission}.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:29 | Link to Comment unemployable
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You're just jealous you're not Jewish Bob.   Like Einstein, Freud, Marx, Disraeli, and Wilhelm Reich (who conceived "mass psychology" for his seminal 1932 Book "The Mass Psychology of Fascism" which made it to the Nazi's #1 list of Top Ten Books For Burning for over 200 weeks)

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:19 | Link to Comment Ura Bonehead
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So Romney has 87 delegates and needs 1,444???!!!! OMG!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME???  SOMEONE JUST GO AHEAD AND SHOOT ME!!!! THIS NEVER-ENDING DRAMA IS LIKE WATCHING ENDLESS RE-RUNS OF THE BACHELORETTE!!!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 08:10 | Link to Comment toomanyfakecons...
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I agree it's painful to watch. It's all about the rigged race and not the issues.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:19 | Link to Comment unemployable
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The only candidate who isn't a Ken Doll & why "Americans don't Support Ron Paul":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzItH-ZTPgA&feature=related

 

How to stop Voter Fraud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WSCyyAkKnk

 

The assination of Ron Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjuh2c9i_A0&feature=related

 

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 01:32 | Link to Comment knicks3005
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America's Basement and their people can go fuck themselves. 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 02:01 | Link to Comment psychobilly
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Seems to me the political system is irredeemable.

What if you could arrange your life and affairs so that it doesn't matter what a bunch of little men and women in DC think or say or do? Ask not what you can do within the current political system - ask what you can do apart from the political system to offload more of the predator/parasite load of the system from your shoulders, to the shoulders of all the red team vs. blue team enabler idiots who support the system.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 05:14 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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...Florida, where Manatee (said with a British accent) is code for the Governor has a date. Lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZP6IUUrvgY 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 06:33 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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Maybe some need this reminder...

 

Representative Dr. Ron Paul speech on the floor of the House of Representatives July 10, 2003

 

"NeoConned"  (neoconned = zionized - IMO of course) 51 minutes

http://youtu.be/n7zwWqMPqkU

 

some @youtube claim this video was 'edited'

Here's the transcript: http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=266&Item...

 

an excerpt from the transcript:

 

Neo-conservatism has been around for decades and, strangely, has connections to past generations as far back as Machiavelli. Modern-day neo-conservatism was introduced to us in the 1960s. It entails both a detailed strategy as well as a philosophy of government. The ideas of Teddy Roosevelt, and certainly Woodrow Wilson, were quite similar to many of the views of present-day neocons. Neocon spokesman Max Boot brags that what he advocates is “hard Wilsonianism.” In many ways, there’s nothing “neo” about their views, and certainly nothing conservative. Yet they have been able to co-opt the conservative movement by advertising themselves as a new or modern form of conservatism.

More recently, the modern-day neocons have come from the far left, a group historically identified as former Trotskyites. Liberal, Christopher Hitchens, has recently officially joined the neocons, and it has been reported that he has already been to the White House as an ad hoc consultant. Many neocons now in positions of influence in Washington can trace their status back to Professor Leo Strauss of the University of Chicago. One of Strauss’ books was Thoughts on Machiavelli. This book was not a condemnation of Machiavelli’s philosophy. Paul Wolfowitz actually got his PhD under Strauss. Others closely associated with these views are Richard Perle, Eliot Abrams, Robert Kagan, and William Kristol. All are key players in designing our new strategy of preemptive war. Others include: Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute; former CIA Director James Woolsey; Bill Bennett of Book of Virtues fame; Frank Gaffney; Dick Cheney; and Donald Rumsfeld. There are just too many to mention who are philosophically or politically connected to the neocon philosophy in some varying degree.

The godfather of modern-day neo-conservatism is considered to be Irving Kristol, father of Bill Kristol, who set the stage in 1983 with his publication Reflections of a Neoconservative. In this book, Kristol also defends the traditional liberal position on welfare.

More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

 

  1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.

  2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.

  3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.

  4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hardball politics is a moral necessity.

  5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.

  6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.

  7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.

  8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.

  9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.

  10.  They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill advised.

  11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.

  12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.

  13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable.  Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.

  14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

  15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)

  16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.

  17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

 

 

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 07:58 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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Just as in that above youtube video speech of Ron Paul almost 9 years ago now, Dr. Paul today remains pretty much a lone voice in the wilderness.

That video has 1,588 views. Pathetic.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 08:21 | Link to Comment my puppy for prez
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Dude, thanks for this!  Awesome.  I will print this out and also send it far and wide.  Never knew the connection to Strauss.

Kudos for a great post.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:57 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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You're welcome. I figured it might be a worthwhile reminder since we are about to be neoconned again(2012 election, Iran, Syria, etc....). This neo-'conservative' philosophy exists in both political parties(and in both the 'right' and the 'left' )as Dr. Paul mentioned in his speech:

 

"Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who’s really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?" -Dr. Ron Paul

 

Here's another youtube link to the same Dr. Paul speech with better video and sound quality...also has a link to the transcript right in the video info section:

Dr. Ron Paul Neo-CONNED - July 10, 2003

http://youtu.be/OSY296oTHyw

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment ManOfBliss
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All votes are wasted votes. You're participating in a flawed system that has guaranteed your personal destruction.

A vote for ANY politician is a vote for suicide.

The single most obvious clue that you're a mind controlled slave is that you still believe that your opinion matters politically.

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