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First Spanish Bailouts Conditions Revealed: Pension Freeze, Retirement Age Hike

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As we reported first thing this morning, Spain, while happy to receive the effect of plunging bond yields, most certainly does not want the cause - requesting the inevitable sovereign bailout. To paraphrase Italy's undersecretary of finance, Gianfranco Polillo: "There won’t be any nation that voluntarily, with a preemptive move, even if rationally justified, would go to an international body and say -- ‘I give up my national sovereignty." He is spot on. However, the one thing that will force countries to request a bailout is the inevitable outcome of soaring budget deficits: i.e., running out of cash (as calculated here previously, an event Spain has to certainly look forward to all else equal). Which simply means that sooner or later Mariano Rajoy will have to throw in the towel and push the red button, knowing full well it most certainly means the end of his administration, and very likely substantial social and political unrest for a country which already has 25% unemployment, all just to preserve the ability to fund its deficits, instead of biting the bullet and slashing public spending (and funding needs), which too would cause social unrest - hence no way out. But why would a bailout request result in unrest? Reuters finally brings us the details of what the Spanish bailout would entail, and they are not pretty: "Spain is considering freezing pensions and speeding up a planned rise in the retirement age as it races to cut spending and meet conditions of an expected international sovereign aid package, sources with knowledge of the matter said...The accelerated raising of the retirement age to 67 from 65, currently scheduled to take place over 15 years, is a done deal, the sources said. The elimination of an inflation-linked annual pension hike is still being considered."

More from Reuters:

The new pensions steps, which could be announced as soon as next week along with the 2013 budget, would send a strong signal to investors that Spain is serious about implementing structural reforms it has delayed because of the political cost.


Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, who was forced earlier this year to break campaign pledges such as not raising taxes, has repeatedly said he would not touch pensions, but he has few options left to trim the budget after drastic cost cuts.


He toned down his language last week and said it would be "the last thing" he would do. On Tuesday, Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said the government was not implementing any cut on the pensions "for the time being".


Sources with knowledge of the government's thinking said Rajoy's comments were a sign that his stance was shifting.


"He just said that he would not cut the pensions. But did you hear anything else? We both know that there are several ways of cutting. One is to simply leave them steady against inflation," said one of the sources.


A second source said the acceleration in the change in the retirement age was backed by the government while a third source, who discussed the issue with senior Spanish officials, said a freeze was expected.


"Not increasing them is also an adjustment," the third source said.




"There is no way around it. You have to cut the link with inflation and freeze the pensions next year," said Jose Carlos Diez, chief economist at Intermoney brokerage in Madrid.


"And to me, that would be just a start... The pensions, the unemployment benefits and the borrowing costs are eating up all the efforts on the spending side so you need to act in those areas," he added.


Both removing the inflation adjustment and accelerating the retirement age increase are long-standing European Union demands and any bond-buying programme to help Spain finance its debt would insist on this, senior euro zone sources said.


Countries which were previously rescued, such as Greece, Ireland and Portugal all had to pass steep cuts on pensions.


In Greece, the cuts ranged from 20 percent to 40 percent, while new pensioners had a 10 percent pay cut in Ireland and Portugal scrapped the Christmas and summer extra payments.

Key word: "that's just the start" - meaning it's all downhill from here, as true austerity, long delayed, is finally implemented (on Germany's dime of course).

First cue Spanish official denials it will do no such thing (a la Rajoy saying Spanish banks will not get a bailout two weeks before they, well, were bailed out). Then cue riots.

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Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:03 | 2817378 LongSoupLine
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A Greece cut-n-paste production.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:07 | 2817391 Oh regional Indian
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Actually it's Greece x 10 or more.

Spain held the lazy part of the EU together in it's Hey day. Like Hey, life's good eh?

It's fall will be that much harder and more painful and the ripple effects much greater. 

Basically, good times based on cheap-shit money are over.

Thank god, even though tough times ahead.


Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:17 | 2817425 YuropeanImbecille
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Love it! Let the goyim work until their death!





Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:18 | 2817427 GetZeeGold
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We surrender.....and here's our conditions.


Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:22 | 2817435 Desert Irish
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You missed first post!!! what happened piss break?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:07 | 2817645 TwoShortPlanks
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Colostomy Bag change.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:33 | 2817778 GetZeeGold
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I sense some disapproval.


On behalf of the 53%...allow me to apologize.


Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:19 | 2817429 YuropeanImbecille
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Here are the lyrics for those who are about to go out on the streets:



Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:30 | 2817465 LongSoupLine
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Actually it's Greece x 10 or more

ori, the result may be 10x, however the "production", (i.e. - solution template),  I refer to remains the same.  Why?...because it's not about the country...it's about the banks.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:03 | 2817380 Vincent Vega
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Coming to America.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:03 | 2817381 Debtonation
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Catalonia will secede and Spain will default.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:09 | 2817400 AUD
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Isn't that more or less what happened in Spain in the 1930's, plus a civil war?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:06 | 2817386 Dr. Engali
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Let's see ..in Spain you can retire at 67.. in Germany at 69.....and in France at 62.....in Greece at 58.     Looks like Greece wins.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:07 | 2817394 HelluvaEngineer
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...and we won't get to retire at all.  #winning

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:12 | 2817410 kito
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quite the opposite......when the unemployment rate hits zero based on BLS math, everyone will be retired!!!!!..................

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:18 | 2817424 dwdollar
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Depends on what your definition of retire is.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:27 | 2817448 Anglo Hondo
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I'm retarded, have been for 12 years.  No gettin up early and driving to work, just a stroll to the bar.

Life is good ;-)


Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:36 | 2817482 Satan
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Is there anything funnier than drunk retards?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:10 | 2817669 TwoShortPlanks
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There are times when the 'Full Retard' clause should be ignored.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:39 | 2817500 Just Ice
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Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:08 | 2817652 downrodeo
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'"Not increasing them is also an adjustment," the third source said.'

Paraphrasing: Leaving them unadjusted is also an adjustment.


"We've got to get governement out of governement" - (stolen from an old rocky and bullwinkle cartoon).


Wow, we have really crossed the lexicon, i mean comicon, i mean mastadon, i mean, i mean.... damn, my brain doesn't work right in this universe. i seem to have found myself in backwards land :/

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:08 | 2817653 downrodeo
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'"Not increasing them is also an adjustment," the third source said.'

Paraphrasing: Leaving them unadjusted is also an adjustment.


"We've got to get governement out of governement" - (stolen from an old rocky and bullwinkle cartoon).


Wow, we have really crossed the lexicon, i mean comicon, i mean mastadon, i mean, i mean.... damn, my brain doesn't work right in this universe. i seem to have found myself in backwards land :/

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:24 | 2817440 caimen garou
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that should be by november,right!

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:49 | 2817548 Eally Ucked
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Better check your facts before posting stupid data.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:25 | 2817748 Eally Ucked
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It may rise in Greece to 75 or 105 shortly but for now normal retirement age in Greece is 65 and in Germany is 67.  

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:05 | 2817388 Desert Irish
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Domino theory bitchez...

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:05 | 2817389 reload
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All your pensions are belong to us.


Anybody expecting or relying on state handed out pensions is deluded / heading for dissapointment.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:23 | 2817439 machineh
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'Heading for euthanasia' -- fixed it for you.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:13 | 2817690 TwoShortPlanks
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At least the euthanasia have a lower unemployment rate than the euthaneurope.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:08 | 2817390 LawsofPhysics
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So, no jobs for the youth then.  Yeah, this will end well.  Bullish on companies that sell riot gear.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:38 | 2817496 petolo
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...and build prisons and rent out robo-cops, guards. Oops forgot barbed wire. Long on razor wire, surveilance cameras.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:07 | 2817393 PaperBear
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The holders of Spanish bonds are going to be saved by sacrificing the Spanish people, do I understand the bailout conditions correctly ?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:08 | 2817397 LawsofPhysics
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If you have faith in paper promises, then yes.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:07 | 2817395 darkpool2
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The cuts and freezes and deferrals arent really that big a deal....just the gutless politicians who refuse to bite any bullets. However, what it will do to the economy, via consumer sentiment, spending patterns and savings ratios is another matter. No way out ....thats a given. But, they choose one voluntarily, or have the markets force one on them. Whats it going to be boy ? !!!

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:09 | 2817399 g3h
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Is it a coincidence that Rajoy is called Mariano, together with two other Mario from Italy?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:40 | 2817404 Element
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OK! That's more like it! That Greece archetype has arrived. The outcome will of course be nothing like a gigantic version of Greece though.  There's is no bailout that's that big, that can be sustained that loooong ... just ask Finland.  It will get worse, and sooner than in Greece.  We are about to see the hidden debt multiply, just as with Greece, and the scale of the bailout needed will keep pushing higher. 

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:11 | 2817405 Dr. Engali
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A nice big war should take care of all the problems. We lost around 70 million people in WWII I'm sure they can get that number up to a couple billion in the next war. That should leave plenty of room for growth.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:26 | 2817445 machineh
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New Boomer recruitment campaign: 'Senior Soldiers'

Hey, you, get offa my lawn! *KABOOM*

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:27 | 2817450 timbo_em
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The Spaniards are not considering that option. In order to save some money they plan to send their only aircraft carrier in early retirement. Apart from the french nulcear arsenal the eurozone has no firepower.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:52 | 2817557 Element
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If you mean the Juan Carlos LHD, I'm pretty sure Australia would buy a third one.  Two for ops and one for training and refitting.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:38 | 2817406 Mercury
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"There won’t be any nation that voluntarily, with a preemptive move, even if rationally justified, would go to an international body and say -- ‘I give up my national sovereignty." He is spot on.

Well, individual leaders and bureaucrats might be so tempted and maybe that's all it would take.

Certainly there are many among such people who believe very strongly in the primacy of European or even “world” government and think nationhood itself is passé.

Just exactly what is still constrained by democratic or constitutional approval in the average EU country these days?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:11 | 2817408 PaperBear
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Any Spaniards foolish enough or desperate enough to have become dependent on government are now learning they were had.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:12 | 2817412 orangedrinkandchips
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PENSIONS.....the heart of it all.....the endless pensions grow exponentially.

PENSIONS are the main driver in higher education costs.....


not feasible. period.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:46 | 2817843 jerry_theking_lawler
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actually, in a sound money economy, pensions would be viable.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:47 | 2817851 i love cholas
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I'm sure Zirp has nothing to do with Pensions unable to meet their % targets.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 10:59 | 2817916 spanish inquisition
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Pensions are a point in time reference where 2 parties sit down and agree to a future retirement plan based on specific metrics that everyone agrees is sustainable. What happens? The Fed is unable to steal a couple of pennies a day because of inflation overrides, so pensions are generally insulated from the process you and I experience every day. They are time capsules of what was suppose to be and they tell you how much the Fed and Government has stolen from you over the last few decades. I find it hard to get pissed off at pensions and unions for financial planning, they are getting screwed just like everyone else and an easy mark for the Fed and Government to say "Don't look at us!"

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:14 | 2817417 intric8
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Out with the old order, in with the new!

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:15 | 2817419 Dareconomics
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Durden is right. Whatever Rajoy says, Spain will have to request a bailout. I think by the end of the year:


Fri, 09/21/2012 - 11:50 | 2818135 Element
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Good stuff.  Either boomberg and Co aren't running the numbers, or they aren't reporting what they find.  I'm going for the former.  One thing's for sure though, the politicians and ECB know and are pretending it's not really happening.

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