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For The First Time Ever, Most Americans Don't Believe Their Congressional Rep Deserves Reelection

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Following years of destroying this country and acting as a spineless proxy only for Wall Street, Congress is facing a historic event: for the first time a majority of Americans are demanding a clean out of the House. The full poll indicating that yet another bloodbath is coming during the next election season can be found here, but here is CNN's commentary. "Only 41 percent of people questioned say the lawmaker in their district in the U.S. House of Representatives deserves to be re-elected - the first time ever in CNN polling that that figure has dropped below 50 percent. Forty-nine percent say their representative doesn't deserve to be re-elected in 2012. And with ten percent unsure, it's the first time that a majority has indicated that they would boot their representative out of office if they had the chance today." Time for a radical overhaul of the utterly criminal and corrupt American political system, preferably replacing it with one that will return democracy back to the system?

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"That 41 percent, in the polling world, is an amazing figure. Throughout the past two decades, in good times and bad, Americans have always liked their own member of Congress despite abysmal ratings for Congress in general," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Now anti-incumbent sentiment is so strong that most Americans are no longer willing to give their own representative the benefit of the doubt.  If that holds up, it could be an early warning of an electorate that is angrier than any time in living memory."

 

As for all members of Congress, the poll indicates only a quarter of the public says most members of Congress deserve to be re-elected.

 

A lot of that anger seems directed toward the GOP.  According to the survey, favorable views of the Republican party dropped eight points over the past month, to 33 percent. Fifty-nine percent say they have an unfavorable view of the Republican party, an all-time high dating back to 1992 when the question was first asked.

 

The poll indicates that views of the Democratic party, by contrast, have remained fairly steady, with 47 percent saying they have a favorable view of the Democrats and an equal amount saying they hold an unfavorable view.

 

"The Democratic party, which had a favorable rating just a couple of points higher than the GOP in July, now has a 14-point advantage over the Republican party," adds Holland.

Our advice to career politicians: do not be an incumbent in the next few years. The same goes for presidents.

 

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Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:34 | 1546567 Id fight Gandhi
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I don't blame them. They bungled the debt ceiling talks, don't know shit.

But voters will still vote them in.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:43 | 1546637 BaBaBouy
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GOLD Just Hit new high, 1800 next stop ....?.....

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:39 | 1547005 wanklord
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It is time for Barry to govern by decree while invoking NSPD 51: suspend the Constitution, declare Martial Law, confiscate all types of guns -either by peaceful or coercive means- and place under strict quarantine those who may try to revolt (FEMA camps have been designed for such purpose).

Besides that, it is good to remind the audiences that Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue.The sooner the US economy collapses the better, so these brutes will finally learn NOT to live beyond their means.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:12 | 1547167 ManufacturedOpinion
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And don't forget about all those electronic voting machines either.  We the sheeple will never really know just WHOM we voted for now, will we?

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The only thing the USA manufactures these days is YOUR OPINION !!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:16 | 1547188 whstlblwr
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Yes pointless to vote, you should not vote. *wink* *wink*

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:53 | 1547828 MassDecep
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http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

You have to see it, to believe it!!!

They may give us some of the elections, but, you can bet your wife's sweet ass, they take the major ones. That explains Marxist Obummer.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 19:31 | 1549041 Cathartes Aura
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and Shrub.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 19:43 | 1552462 rwe2late
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 Obama is not a "Marxist".

He does not nationalize the mega-corporations, but caters to them.

He is a fascist, a corporatist, aligned with global corporations, the MIC, and financial racketeers against the lower and middle classes.

Despite any palliative handouts downward, the flood of wealth is upward to an elite few.

Confusion about language leads to confusion about the problems. The solution is not to be found by "freeing" corporations from the imagined grip of imagined "Marxists". 

Nor is it to be found by allying with the corporations and the elite against the “handouts” to the lower classes. Those “handouts” upon inspection, turn out to be backdoor largesse for mega corporations and the rich. Health care primarily operates to subsidize big pharma and the insurance industry. Social Security has been a source of revenue for wars and bailouts. Only now when no surplus exists does default on the ‘borrowed funds’ become the popularized option.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 05:59 | 1553562 YHC-FTSE
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+10

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:07 | 1547054 Sudden Debt
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Well... the metal strip in a 100$ bill weights about 0,126 gramms....

it's made out of nickle....

Nickle costs about 9.5 dollar per kilo....

so you can make about 7936 strips out of 1 kilo....

so 7936 x 9,5 = 75.392$ in 100 dollar bills for 1 kilo of nickle....

1800/9,5 = about 189 kilo's of nickle are worth 1 ounce of gold....

so 189 x 75.392$ = 14.249.088$ for 1 ounce of gold

BUT!!!! I'm pretty sure the cotton/paper pulp is also worth something SO YOU BETTER ROUND IT DOWN TO 14 MILLION FOR 1 OUNCE A GOLD.

 

Anybody else have a math question?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:10 | 1546866 glenlloyd
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go long guillotines?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:14 | 1546888 cossack55
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No shit. Screw letting the criminal swine lay around on "retirement" for the rest of their stinkin' lives, beheading is a wonderful motivator.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:29 | 1546955 Sudden Debt
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SO TRUE!!!

FIRE THEM  AND LET THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS TAKE OVER!!

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:43 | 1547024 trav7777
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yeah, wake me up when they actually vote these bums out

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:34 | 1547503 andybev01
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Enjoy your nap Mr. Van Winkle.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:50 | 1547063 fonestar
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Yeah vote "Tea Party" because they are reaaaal libertarians (republicans hmf hmf).

 

Hey I got a new slogan for the Teabaggers here:

"DON'T READ ON ME"

Ya' know you could have a little coiled snake eating the US Constitution too!  Ya' know cause if you READ on them you will find a bunch of stooges financed by Palin, Beck, Murdoch, etc... And ya' know I'm sure during the next election all these Teabaggers are DEFINITELY going to vote for the Libertarian canidates and not Republican canidates.  What a joke!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:57 | 1547100 whstlblwr
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Polls, I wonder where caller list come from. Random sampling? Widespread move to discredit Tea Party across media, will use polls too.

Anyone from Tea Party read this, need to talk of US dollar. Most Americans don't know they not doing better when stock market high if dollar down. They don't make connection. You need to connect for them. Talk of dollar, show it collapse. Talk all time of dollar and even poor man who get welfare understand.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:09 | 1547157 fonestar
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Americans wouldn't know a real grass-roots movement if it came up and bitch-slapped them anymore.  Look at the Russian anarchists of 1905.  Now there was some real idealists, fighting real tyranny and going to the gallows for it.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:13 | 1547171 whstlblwr
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Yes understand your biggest fear is we make change from within system. You prefer gallows.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:16 | 1547185 fonestar
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Two party tyranny solved within a tyrannical two party system?  Me thinks not...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:50 | 1547334 Rick64
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Americans wouldn't know a real grass-roots movement if it came up and bitch-slapped them anymore.

 If there ever was a true grass roots movement how long would it take before it was corrupted by the behind the scene powers? They will either use it to promote their agenda after of course they tell you everything you want to hear or label it communist, terrorists, socialist, unpatriotic, ect... if they can't compromise it.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:49 | 1547811 V10
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Yup. Of all those Tea Partiers reps elected to take a hard stance on government finances, about 2/3rds were sweet-talked or brow-beaten into falling in line with the 'debt = wealth' crowd.

"When will people learn? Democracy. Doesn't. Work." - Homer Simpson

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:16 | 1547187 YHC-FTSE
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+1

Thanks. Funniest slogan I've read all week. 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:33 | 1546573 bam_son
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baahhh baahhh...?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:50 | 1546722 Azannoth
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Who cares what the Ahmerikans think, the Congress went to consult with their REAL constituents

http://dont-tread-on.me/aipac-sends-81-neocon-congressmen-to-israel/

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:35 | 1547515 Cathartes Aura
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amrkns don't think, they watch. . . TV, iShit screens, sports 'n' porn, more TV.

when it comes to their nationstate, they're content to kick the reality can down the road by "voting" every two years - the time in between is too full of watching.

good link, nice to see amrkn congress-cretins are attending Beck's Big Rally.

War soon.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:34 | 1546577 sabra1
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oBLAHma doesn't have to go through congress to cancel all future elections! he will be, the imperial leader! 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:34 | 1546578 Whatta
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Tea Party to party in 2012?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:34 | 1546579 Greater Fool
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Translated: Deliver all the pork you can to prospective employers before you're voted out of office.

I love representative government.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:45 | 1546652 Motley Fool
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Spot on Fool. :P

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:19 | 1547203 Drag Racer
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so far look at who will 'represent' you on the super 'gag' congress

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/six-republicans-named-to-super-committe...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:35 | 1546581 mrdenis
Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:39 | 1546610 Howard_Beale
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Then look at banzai7's post on the top. Very symbiotic.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:45 | 1546660 Bob
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That was a great Banzai post!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:00 | 1546791 DaveyJones
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yes, great images today, especially the first

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:04 | 1546817 Cow
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I think Obama is going to take Ratigan's advice and get money out of politics.

As soon as he gets back from his $35k/plate fundraiser in Chicago

http://www.mogulite.com/obama-birthday-fundraiser/

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/obama-fundraising-2012-dnc_n_89...

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:11 | 1546872 glenlloyd
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that's not a cow, it's a steer

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:22 | 1546930 Cow
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are you sure?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:29 | 1546951 pods
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Somehow I see a Funny Farm joke coming up.

Ummm, Lamb fries.

pods

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:30 | 1547252 caerus
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what's going on, andy...? you're sinking into a pit of self-pity, defeatism, and alcohol... and you're enjoying it!

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:58 | 1547110 homme
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First comment. I usually lurk but wanted to say thank you for that link. I'm passing it on to everyone I know.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:35 | 1546585 Dr. Engali
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Unfortunatly 90% will be voted back in.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:31 | 1546965 Gene Parmesan
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DC needs an enema. Nationwide recall votes would be a start.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:57 | 1547098 rwe2late
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agreed

Nor does it much matter even when incumbents are voted out.

So long as 95% of the voters remain loyal to either the red team or the blue team, TPTB wins.

Only 5% of the voters realize the red and the blue are owned by the same.

The only difference is the color of the jersey, for PR effect. 

You may select the dealer, but the house still wins.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:54 | 1547589 Cathartes Aura
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what percentage are actually aware that it is the whole system, not the "human" parts, but the WHOLE structure that is rotten to the core, such that no "voting" will ever fix this?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:35 | 1546586 hedgeless_horseman
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Vote newbies in 2012!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:31 | 1546963 DCFusor
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I've been pushing that line for quite awhile now.  Doesn't matter if you hate the new guy's views worse than the last - reality shows he won't be any different anyway.  It's going to take 1-2 more times of tossing incumbents for the new guys to "get the cluebat" that we didn't vote them in - we voted the other losers OUT.  The first time, the newbies think they have a mandate....wishful thinking, but....

Soapbox didn't work.  Ballot box not working yet.  Ammo box, ready.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:56 | 1547096 11b40
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Actually, though I thought this could NEVER work when I first learned about it via the below email, there may be a better way.

For all of you who have been chellenging others to put up or shut up - to actually start doing something more than ranting on message boeards - perhaps this deserves a few minutes of your time.

And while I am of 2 minds about Thomas Friedman, here iu the link referenced in the email.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24friedman.html

Subject: Fw: Welcome to Americans Elect!

Thomas Friedman wrote an article in the paper today about a viable 3rd party that is geared toward Independent voters across the US.  If you can get a copy, please read it.  The basics of the article explained how a new party is forming on the internet that will reflect voters who are fed up with the crooks in both parties we have now.  The party will nominate candidates in all 50 states and even participate in debates this coming year.

I'm sure you ether think this is a joke or a scam or a pipe dream.  I don't.  Out of curiosity and/or disgust with what we have now, read the article and then visit the web site.  Who knows, you may end up being on the inside track of something good.

ben z


Welcome to Americans Elect!

Dear Ben,

Thanks for joining Americans Elect. Your participation will make history by helping put a directly-nominated ticket on the ballot for the first time ever.
The real impact of Americans Elect is up to you. You will decide the issues that matter.
You will choose candidates that match your views. And ultimately, you will nominate your choice for President & VP in 2012.

 

As one of the first delegates to join, you've earned the "George" badge. Going forward, you'll be getting more badges as you continue to shape the debate, connect with other delegates and discover candidates.

 

Start defining the issues:

Help put your choice on the ballot in 2012:

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For more information, email info@AmericansElect.org or write to the address below:
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Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:35 | 1546589 Critical Path
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Awakening from a slumber?  I sure as hell hope so

The only alternative is an all out clean sweep, no more voting for the lesser of two evils.  Just clean fucking house.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:36 | 1546590 Iriestx
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" it's the first time that a majority has indicated that they would boot their representative out of office if they had the chance today"

 

And yet, when push comes to shove, they'll vote for them anyway.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:36 | 1546593 Milton Waddams
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Replace it with the A.I. from SimCity.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:36 | 1546596 Winston Smith 2009
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""Only 41 percent of people questioned say the lawmaker in their district in the U.S. House of Representatives deserves to be re-elected"

Which means that 41% of the people are still completely delusional and continue to buy into the Dem vs. Rep BS.  So, we're just as screwed as we ever were.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:13 | 1547168 karzai_luver
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Isn't 41% of elig voters about the normal turnout?

 

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:37 | 1546599 machineh
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Re-election, hell!

My KongressKlown deserves INDICTMENT on capital charges.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:47 | 1546673 Bob
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Long on guillotines!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:37 | 1546600 yipcarl
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Well I for 1 am SURE, the next people in line are the solution.  Who gives a fuck it's rigged.  Revolution!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:43 | 1547028 Abitdodgie
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England has got it right lets go out and smash shit up

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:38 | 1546604 doomandbloom
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Coffee Party...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:39 | 1546616 Id fight Gandhi
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Coffee Achievers didn't last long in the 80s

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:08 | 1546845 Jason_1sandal
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I read spmewhere that the American Revolution was borne in the colonial coffee houses. The colonists stopped drinking tea and switched to coffee. The poor british didn't know what hit them, they prefered tea to coffee. Coffee amped colonist kicked their asses lol

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:58 | 1547598 Cathartes Aura
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now they empty cans of Red Bull & play CoD - game over.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:40 | 1547294 LFMayor
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Good call.  And how bad was Heart sucking hind tit that those poor bitches had to sell out and do the sounds for it?  Used to see that ad when watching Night Tracks circa '83

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:38 | 1546608 Debtless
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What percentage believe our lawmakers should be strung up?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:39 | 1546609 pods
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When are they going to poll those who've realized the futility of the system and have now opted out, refusing to tacitly support a corrupt system?

pods

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:10 | 1546839 NotApplicable
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They don't count those responses. Those type of people are the scary, lunatic fringe.

Recently I was walking downtown to get my lunch when I was ambushed by a pair of local TV 'reporters' who were looking for lefty reactions to the newly lowered age for concealed carry. Their question was phrased, "how do you feel about young people being allowed to carry concealed weapons on the streets of our city?" My reply? "I don't have any problem with that."

They looked dumbfounded, and quickly went looking for another, more 'reasonable' person to ask. I came back by a few minutes later to see them (now with the camera out) interviewing woman so animated, her hands were flying about the whole time.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:35 | 1546989 pods
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Yeah, the "pre-interview" interview.  

Another good answer would be "Why not, they already are carrying them, why not make it legal."

I got my eye on a cute Hello Kitty Glock for my baby girl.  She would love it! 

:)

pods

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:36 | 1547001 tip e. canoe
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this is why i wonder whether 'opting out' is the best solution.   look at Haiti for example.   ~25% participation rate and they got a guy running the joint who became famous for acting like a drag queen on top of Mardi Gras floats.

maybe it's better to 'participate' but do it in a way that exposes the farce for what it is.   this is why i thought voting for Zappa was so genius, but then, no one knows Zappa anymore, so it wouldn't have the desired effect.

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:15 | 1547173 karzai_luver
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fail they got the US approved clown show.

They KNOW voting won't matter we taught them well.

 

 

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:07 | 1547378 tip e. canoe
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of course they did, that's precisely the point.   not knockin the intelligence of the Haitian people, on the contrary, i choose to believe they're a hell of a lot smarter than what most give them credit for.

just making the case that partial complacency has the opposite effect of its desired intention.   if you're gonna opt-out, there's only one to way to do it, all the way.   but if you choose to engage, you gotta engage, but have the courage to set your own terms, not the limited ones that are being offered for you.

let me ask you this: what would make a more powerful statement?   60 million people not voting or 60 million people voting for someone like say (for shits & giggles), Mr. Burns from the Simpsons?

(btw, never said i was pass or fail, just bringing a topic up for discussion.   that's why they call it collective intelligence.)

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:12 | 1547646 Cathartes Aura
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I think we've passed the surrealist response to the "structure" and moved straight to (personal) anarchy - for those paying any attention, that is.

this doesn't mean going out & burning shops on the high street/mall - it means absenting self from their systems, as you say "all the way" - and doing it in a way that allows for less despair, less anger, both are undermining e-motions, preventing self-awareness of the fundamentals, and ways to maintain personal integrity.

but I do like the Zappa-vote - it's just that to do this requires a mental state of flippancy, for the lulz as it were - few are there, most are still stuck in their reactive modes.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:53 | 1547834 Antipodeus
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I thought Hoover was dead!? ;)

 

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:40 | 1546617 machineh
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It's August 10th -- do you know where your KongressKlown is?

Eighty-one (81) of them are in ... wait for it ... ISRAEL.

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?ID=232876&R=R1

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:41 | 1546625 Id fight Gandhi
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Of course because they pretty much run the USA.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:45 | 1546653 pods
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You just cannot make this shit up.

pods

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:45 | 1546656 Id fight Gandhi
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Btw why the fuck does a US congressional representative need to go to Israel for?

Most on the trip are freshman...great that's what we need.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:49 | 1546699 Buckaroo Banzai
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Of course Freshmen need to go, they have to learn who their REAL masters are.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:50 | 1546707 pods
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They were sent by an education foundation.  Hmmm.

What do they have to learn?

Wonder if they will get paddled?

"Thank you Sir may I have another!"

pods

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:03 | 1547133 11b40
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Yes, and most of the Freshmen are Tea Party panderers.

All clueless and on the dole.

Problem is, under current system, you can't get nominated for anything without selling out first to some special interest group with deep enough pockets and/or organizational skills to give you an initial boost.  So, all we have is status quo crooks to select from.

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:15 | 1547660 Cathartes Aura
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supporting Beck's Israel rally!!  such a show of loyalty & intelligence!!

keep on votin'

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:56 | 1546751 karzai_luver
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They are over there to have the party convention.

 

They are doing the "political youth camp" deal with their true party leader.

The Beebee. He has to hide from his own populace and yet gets stand ovations here.

One would think the same outrage voiced at the previous camper episode would be voiced over this. Not so?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

 

Perhaps we need to trade them Obama for BeeBee for the 2012 election.

 

May as well make it official for a change.

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:06 | 1547630 optimator
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I'm happy they're on an AIPAC sposored trip to Israel.  What upsets me is they will be coming  back. 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:45 | 1546619 Mercury
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Time for a radical overhaul of the utterly criminal and corrupt American political system, preferably replacing it with one that will return democracy back to the system?

Democracy all by itself is a neutral, amoral mechanism.  Democracy is at least partly to blame for the mess we're in.  The Constitution is the single-most important principal our system needs to return to....especially if one considers the Fed to be un- or extra-constitutional.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:48 | 1546679 karzai_luver
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95% will be back .

 

Many will "run" unopposed.

 

The sheep are about to find that only the idiot and/or totally immoral will "serve" such a "population" as this.

 

The same 30-40% of the red/blue drooling serfs will show to vote for their local pig.

 

hoo ha.

 

I mean Susie said he/she was such a nice person he/she really relates to us.

 

Of course when the idiots look for someone to "have a beer with" they will look for an idiot or one who plays one in real life.

 

Luv and respect ya all.

The idiot one-liners come from RESEARCH on you idiots. They then play back the lines that "struck a chord" with the serfs.

 

hahahaha

 

GIGO.

 

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:14 | 1547172 Abitdodgie
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If this meltdown continues there will NOT be a 2012 election , just lots of dead people 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:42 | 1546629 Chump
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And?  Wake me up when a third party does ANYTHING in American politics other than divide votes.  That Bawney Fwank and Cunty Pelosi continue to get re-elected tells you all you need to know about American politics.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:07 | 1547152 11b40
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Yo! Chump!  WAke up and follow this link.

www.AmericansElect.org

and this one


Make Way for the Radical Center

 

www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sunday/24friedman.html
Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:18 | 1547197 karzai_luver
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BWWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

Only roadkill lives in the center , fool.

 

If you are on the center of a bunch of soiled children do you then elect one of them to lead you to the potty?

 

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:38 | 1547284 11b40
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Governed from the right, then governed from the left.  How is that working out for us?

And just what are your ideas?  Other than posting worthless shit on the Internet, that is.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:43 | 1547304 LFMayor
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Poppin your bubble man, but we're not being led from the left or the right alternatively, haven't been for a long time.  Two heads, same damn snake.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:21 | 1547448 11b40
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Not popping my bubble.  I am very well aware that both parties are just 2 cheeks of the same arse, whichis why I am so willing to try something different. 

It may be pissing in the wind, but, hey, gotta' piss in some direction anyway.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:26 | 1547605 Matte_Black
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left/right is anachronistic. we are being herded by rentiers. we are led by our bias, fear, and illusions.

everything you see is a lie.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:42 | 1546632 outamyeffinway
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Still a high number. You could vote them all out and still nothing would change. The positions themselves require you to be corruptible and if you're not going in you will be.

The corruption is much higher up. People need to change the way they live, NOT who they vote for. Until this is realized NOTHING will change.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:58 | 1547373 the left behinds
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precisely.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:48 | 1546644 bob_dabolina
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Jamie Dimon just refused to comment on Federal Reserve monetary policy on CNBC just moments ago, only stating "they have a lot of smart economists" 

Check the class A shareholders District 2 (New York): 

http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/listdirectors/

Funny how he is pumping and reinforcing the banking structure huh? Banks are great guys, Dimon just said they opened a bunch of checking accounts in California....the credit card business is amazing

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:48 | 1546688 pods
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Pretty scary bob that a guy from Puerto Rico is on the New York list.  Makes me think of the whole IRS checks go to an account in PR argument.

pods

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:27 | 1546945 tip e. canoe
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PR definitely has its uses to the Empire, despite the continual rumblings from the pesky natives.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:20 | 1547211 Abitdodgie
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The IRS is a regestered corperation in puerto rico , as is your corperation , we all are 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:47 | 1546671 RiskAverseAlertBlog
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The defining issue for me is whether rep co-sponsorss HR 1489 -- Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 (Glass-Steagall). Right now, 32 co-sponsors, mostly Ds but several Rs, too.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:11 | 1547162 11b40
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Right on Glas-Stegall

Plus, change options rules to only allow trading in oil futures by those who can take physical delivery.  Those 2 little things could dramatically change the entire country/economy.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:47 | 1546672 LoneStarHog
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Yup!...and...Dr. Ron Paul is not running for his seat in Congress...He knows just how corrupt that branch is and he is concentrating on the presidency...If he loses the presidency, he knows that it is all over ... and...hopefully...he will lead Texas into secession and become The President of The Republic of Texas! ...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:25 | 1546938 machineh
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In secessionist households, the Texas flag is flown at half mast on December 29th.

That's the tragic day in 1845 when Texas sacrificed its hard-won sovereignty, and sold its birthright to the murderous yankee regime in Washington DC.

Time to check out of Abe Lincoln's bankrupt roach motel for good!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:43 | 1547023 Capitalist10
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People in a lot more states than Texas are ready for a divorce.  How about splitting off NY, NJ, CA, IL, and MI?  The rest of us will take our chances and start over.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:05 | 1547385 the left behinds
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don't forget the people's republic of portland, or.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:25 | 1547699 Cathartes Aura
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Cascadia

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:20 | 1547210 karzai_luver
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Yep , let the fool yanks have their union for the idiot sheep.

fuk em

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:48 | 1546689 Johnny Lawrence
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I'll believe when I see it.  Americans are retards.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:52 | 1546727 Bob
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It's way too late--they should have listened to the people who have given up voting.  Too bad it was never more than push shit as far as possible while getting reelected for the tools of TPTB. 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:49 | 1546697 Jena
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Nick Gillespie of reason.com posits that most legislators are good for one term before they get contaminated by the lobbyists and the overall corruption of the system.  If you find a good candidate who supports the issue most important to you, vote for them despite the party.  Then be prepared to replace them each term.  It doesn't make any more sense to stick with a legislator who is failing you than it does a stock, right?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:15 | 1547182 11b40
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Nick Gillespie is wrong.  Most sold out before they even got started - otherwise, they would never have even been nominated, let alone elected.  About the only exceptions would be those who can (and do) self-finance.  Even then, the personality type attracted to higher political office today is wrong for governing in the interests of the people.

www.AmericansElect.org

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:38 | 1547757 Cathartes Aura
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the idea of "voting" with its parties & primaries & conventions & debates & pamphlets & bumperstickers & money bombs & the whole CIRCUS. . .

. . . just takes up too much brain space - either kill the meme and free up your time for self-preservation, or participate in the slow death spiral - pick one, because you can't do both.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:50 | 1546709 Mad Max
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And what to make of this poll indicating that only 17% of US likely voters believe that the federal government has the consent of the governed?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:57 | 1546776 glenlloyd
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I had always wondered about that, seems someone out there is figuring it out.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:03 | 1546806 karzai_luver
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no mystery to that.

 

The wonder is that there are 17% that are so stupid.

 

Everyone will SAY they don't consent and the gvt doesn't have their consent for one reason or another.

 

Useless for if it were true then the gvt would be taken down now.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:52 | 1546724 theprofromdover
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Well all you have to do is join the (whatever) party en mass, outvote and throw out the local committee, and select a new candidate. Works everywhere else in the world.

(The peeple, united, can never be defeeeted)

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:08 | 1546851 pods
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Think you forgot the sarcasm tag.

pods

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:19 | 1546917 karzai_luver
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the KOOLaid is STRONG in some of them.

 

They feel not think but feel there must be a ONE to save them.

 

Just another weak serf begging for a savior.

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:55 | 1546760 corndog
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Vote third party! Vote for anybody but the usual two

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:17 | 1547190 11b40
Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:56 | 1546765 trainrobbery
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TERM LIMITS BITCHEZS!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:25 | 1547231 thedrickster
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Under the current system term limits would be counter productive, turning over effective control of an out of control government to eeoc protected lifer bureucrats in the executive branch. The congress is bad enough but weaken it any further relative to the Executive and hell csar-dom.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 11:56 | 1546767 Diogenes
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If they only last one term they will have to graft and steal all the faster, and suck up so they get a plum job from industry or in the bureaucracy. Otherwise how  can they keep up their pimp lifestyle and how will all their pimp friends remember what big pimps they are.

No I expect they will just go on rigging the voting machines as usual.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:43 | 1547774 Cathartes Aura
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"As you know we have a lot of partisan differences in our Congress today, but there is real value and centrality on the policies of the United States towards Israel and there is little if any partisan difference in the Congress on the issue of Israel," Peres's office quoted Hoyer as saying.

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer was speaking during a visit to Israeli President Shimon Peres at the head of a delegation of 26 Democratic lawmakers.

ah yes, keep voting for your REPRESENTATIVES folks.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:02 | 1546802 Darth Hayek
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News flash:  Never mind the system, our biggest problem is that the electorate itself has become corrupted!  52% don't have any tax liability but suck away at the public teat!  Do you seriously think the system will be changed by people voted into office by those dependent upon it?

Talk all you want about shadowy cabals, we have met the enemy and they is us...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:04 | 1546810 Mediocritas
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So when the next elections roll around, the people who get elected will be those who the voters hate the least. Doesn't mean the elected will be any good. But of course, the incompetent morons who get elected will grow big fat heads and assume that voters WANTED them, that they have a mandate to govern, and they'll proceed to bluster about and fuck everything up even worse than before.

Just like they always do.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:17 | 1546909 Jumbotron
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Sorry... I call bullshit on the American Sheeple.  They will BAAHHH...BAHHHH...and maybe do something on the margin.  Or BAHHH....BAHHH...and go wholesale apeshit and kick all the bastards out.

And then let's say it becomes a Tea Party Congress and a Tea Party President and a Tea Party Judiciary.

Then we will have instant global depression as it becomes apparent that the whole 40 year illusion was built on government spending and government sponsored, through the Federal Reserve, debt. 

Not to mention that the RDA percentage of rat shit in our hot dogs goes back to levels that was seen before Teddy Roosevelt, that children go back to labor camps so we can compete with Chinese kids, not to mention what other innovations the banking class cooks up since the Tea PArty will rape away all regulation concerning everything, not to mention not one banker or financier will ever have to worry about going to jail.....wait....that's happening now under Obama and Eric Holder....sorry my bad.

Or the American Sheeple will BAAAHHH.....BAAHHHHH as they will not understand or be prepared for what will happen to the country when their Tea PArty rips the band-aid off the whole gangrenous pile of rotten flesh.  It may be needed....is needed...but the sheep will recoil in horror and BAHHHHH....BAHHHHH for someone again like Obama.

Here's what will happen....

"Meet the new boss.....same as the old boss."   The Who

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 17:19 | 1548488 honestann
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This is why the term "beyond the point of no return" was coined.

What that means, however, is that no return is possible in any mere tweak of the existing system.  It does not mean a return to prosperity cannot happen with a total break from the current system - a discontinuity or "phase change".

It is pretty funny too, because the mess happened in a basically continuous way.  The predators in government and large corporations (and newly formed) central bank just slowly but surely started breaking laws (constitution), and every time nobody got arrested and hung for treason, they just upped the ante modestly.  Over time, they turned [a fair degree of] liberty, justice, individualism into statism, immunity for the powerful and rich, and elitism under the guise of collectivism.  As they say, "inch by inch a cinch.

Yet the discontinuity we need is to mostly return to the same place the USSA started from... something like the early or mid 1800s, except with better legitimate protection against poisoning (pollution), which pretty much everyone agrees with anyway.  No, that most certainly does not include taxes on carbon dioxide AKA plant food.

Sure there will be a massive depression.  ??? WHO CARES ???  After all, it will NOT be productive people without a job, it will be the very slime who were willing to sit in some government office building for decades and screw the rest of us over - violate our rights in spades.  They deserve to be hung or caged, but they would have a choice to go find a productive job, or start a productive business of their own.  What's the problem with that?  Answer:  None.  Up theirs!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:21 | 1546928 honestann
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There is exactly one person in congress who deserves to be re-elected, and he isn't running for re-election [to congress].

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:47 | 1547798 Cathartes Aura
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after how many decades in office?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:24 | 1546937 gkm
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So Americans will elect those who are least known to be, but still are, backed by Wall Street and the banksters specifically?  How do you think that's going to work out?  The ones that get voted in will be the ones with the least experience and the most indentured to their Wall Street overlords to pay them back for their support.  If you think the last while has been a one way street of wealth, just put some neophites in there.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:19 | 1547201 11b40
Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:29 | 1547248 thedrickster
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Prohibit federally controlled broadcast sprectrum from being used in federal election campaigns and repeal the 17th amendment.

Elections get real cheap, the lowest common denominator is disinfranchised via ignorance and the neophytes become less indebted to wall street donors.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:29 | 1546953 raki_d
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10K hats anyone ?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:41 | 1547014 pods
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Hands down the BEST AVATAR EVER!

I tried to squish the damn thing!

pods

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:44 | 1547034 JuicedGamma
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One of my LCD flat screens has a dead one of you stuck in it.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:03 | 1547615 raki_d
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Na.. just acting dead
Play some porno.. you'd c her dance
believe me..im telling u being 1 of those..

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 15:03 | 1547616 raki_d
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Na.. just acting dead
Play some porno.. you'd c her dance
believe me..im telling u being 1 of those..

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:17 | 1547425 the left behinds
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perfect avatar  lol

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:31 | 1546969 sunnydays
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Every single one of them are corrupt.  They are all just playing their part in a play that they were assigned.  There is no difference in reality between the left or right, just part of the game to keep people divided.  Seems people are waking up to that.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:40 | 1547013 nah
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was writing my congressman/senator in earnest in the hopes of restoring what i see as a duct tape political/economic order destroying ownership and assumed responsibility.

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but the retards vote for anything providing no vision

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OBAMA 2012

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:43 | 1547022 bk1037
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I'll believe this if and when it actually ever happens. Americans tend to talk bravado on a poll like this, yet keep voting the same people back to office. The politicial parties both know this too. Name recognition still rules to the casual American voter, which outnumber the impassioned members of the public. I would love if the next election proved otherwise. But let's face it, Congress should have been tossed long ago. If the GOP nominates the right individual and a 3rd party candidate doesn't emerge, Obama is out as well with 9% unemployment (and should be thrown out, with that high of a metric).

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:45 | 1547041 SonnySkyy
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Interesting the way the American voter holds the politician responsible when something he votes for fails or has negative consequences. Yet, the same American voter take absolutely zero responsibility when someone he votes for fails.

Fuck you, American voter. And fuck you pollsters, for gathering the opinions of these narcissistic, distracted half-wits as if they mean a fucking thing.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:47 | 1547051 Everybodys All ...
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These same people voted Obama in overwhelmingly...so I'm not real confident of there choices.

The problem has always been that most people think their congressman is great but everyone else's is the problem. How in heck can you explain keeping Pelosi, Reid, Frank, etc. Term limits is the only solution.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:47 | 1547053 franzpick
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Our reps deserve much worse that losing reelection:  I hope they retire to the presumed riot-anarchy-proof safety of their doomstead islands, to wake up some morning to a flotilla of automatic-armed Somali pirates preparing to land for an unscheduled resupply stop.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:58 | 1547105 KowPie
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This article is pretty ironic to me. I just received the following from a co-worker today. I've included my response to her. Maybe headway is being made on wringing out the hopium from the veigns of the american public. Who knows. I apologize in advance for the LENGTH:

 

EMAIL RECEIVED TODAY:

Subject: Congerssional Reform Act of 2011

I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, sending it to you in hopes you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I will fight for, and I hope you all read it all the way through. You will be glad you did.

The 26th amendment(granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only three months and eight days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971...before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.

Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven took one year or less to become the law of the land...all because of public pressure.

I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

In five days, most people in The United States of America will have this message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

 

Congressional Reform Act of 2011

1. Term Limits.

12 years only, one of the possible options below..

A. Two Six-year Senate terms

B. Six Two-year House terms

C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms

2. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security System immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people.

4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void, effective with passage of this amendment.

The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work. If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.

THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!! If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete.

You are one of my 20+. Please keep it going. I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise."

 

REPLY BY ME:

More than happy to send it along. After which I'm going to mail a few more snowballs to hell marked return to sender. I'm still waiting on the other ones I mailed to get back. I figure that this country will get that amendment through the house and senate about the same time I start getting snowballs back from hell. The odds are about the same for both. I will send this out, not being negative, just realistic. To wit, a tale to illustrate:

 

If you put a huge bucket of slop in front of 535 pigs (435 large pigs and 100 huge pigs) and allow them to eat whatever they want they will. When you are running out of slop and tell them they must voluntarily stop eating they will not. Then you refill the slop bucket. They continue to eat. This goes on for years. Soon the pigs tell you what type of slop you will put in the bucket, how much, how often, how you will do it and on top of that they make you put thousands of smaller buckets of slop in another field (of their choosing) so when they leave the big bucket they have their own private smaller bucket to feed from until they die. You, of course, have to maintain this bucket (to their preference) as well.

 

When all of these piggys have finally gotten to the point that they are consuming all of the available slop in every bucket in the country you must start filling their buckets with your food (and borrow slop from countries around the world) to keep their slop buckets full. This is all done on the promise that one day these pigs will provide you with the finest bacon and pork ever to touch human lips. You salivate over this thought and continue to fill their buckets. Eventually you figure out that the buckets keep getting filled, the pigs keep eating but the closest you ever came to that fine bacon and those delectable pork chops is a preservative laden McRib sandwich out of a dumpster after McD's closes.

 

When this realization hits you plead with the pigs to step away from the trough, start to work to improve their fields and provide you some of what they promised in the first place. You also plead with all of the retired pigs to give up all of their personal buckets of slop at the same time. After doing this for quite a while (maybe a lifetime) you realize that pigs will be pigs and until they no longer have access to any slop bucket of any kind they will continue to be pigs. They will NEVER, EVER give up those slop buckets voluntarily. You have to take them away from the pigs. Or, eventually the world will stop loaning you slop when they realize there is no possibility of ever being reimbursed for the slop they gave you, much less future slop.

 

There are currently 713 retired members of C0Ngress (the HOuSE and the US senate) collecting an annual pension average payout (total) of $31,000,000. This does not include benefits, perks, special protection details, etc. This is just base pension salary payment every year for retired pigs up through 2006 (excluding the retired pigs for the last 5 years due to the fact that the current pigs make obtaining any accurate data newer than 2006 as easy as threading a ships anchor rope through a needle. Good luck with voluntary change. You'll get better results taking a hit off of the next campaign H0PIUM pipe filled with a bowl of CHANGIUM... ignite it with a flame from the CAMPAIGNIUM FIRE. It was ignited the day after it was extinguished on Jan 21st, 2009 even though (former conventional etiquette stated) it's not supposed to be re-lit until 6 months prior to the next round of Prepared Rough Extreme Super Impressive Daily Especially Nasty Tiptop Inventive Absolutely Laughable Everyone Loves E-ticket Circus Time Invitations Once Noodnik Sucker!

 

How's that for a rant?

 

P.S. Call me if you have trouble connecting the dots!

 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:09 | 1547144 docj
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Bah - the overwhelming majority of Idol America has no idea the actual choice this country faces if it actually wishes to live within it's means

1) a low-tax, low-service more-or-less entrepreneurial TANSTAAFL nation (in other words, match expenditures to what we're willing to pay in taxes), or

2) a high-tax, social-safety-hammock western-European-style welfare state (match the taxes to what we demand in services)

And even those who are aware of this choice will still opt for Choice 3...

3) a gimme all the services I demand when I demand them but don't you dare ever take a penny out of my taxes ponziconomy

So shocking, a small band of political misfits (the Tea Party Freshmen - at least the couple dozen who voted against the debt target bill) point-out the presence of this unfortunate choice and actually try to push Idol America to do something about it and what does Idol America do? Tells them they want more pudding.

We've bought and paid-for this coming collapse several times over - at this point I just assume give the keys back over to SanFran Nan and The Teleprompter next year so at least we'll hit the wall with some velocity rather than skidding into it, that way we die instantly in a fireball rather than lingering for a couple of agonizing days or weeks in hospital before gasping our last.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 13:07 | 1547151 Winston Smith 2009
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"they got a guy running the joint who became famous for acting like a drag queen on top of Mardi Gras floats"

Yeah, we only want conservative, mainstream thieves.

When the system is broken, you get screwed no matter who you are allowed to vote for.  Might as well be someone with flare.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 14:03 | 1547384 tip e. canoe
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well, he's definitely has more flare than Wyclef, that's for sure.

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