Fitch: EFSF And France Joined At The AAA Downgrade Hip

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Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:33 | 1997032 Gandalf6900
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Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:33 | 1997033 Ghordius
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Still FrAAAnce? 50% chance of downgrade in a year or two only? Ze horror, ze horror!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:42 | 1997040 Ethics Gradient
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More like a 50% chance of downgrade on Friday night.

For a very merry Christmas!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 08:01 | 1997062 Ghordius
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really nice handle, by the way, from the Culture novels ship names? Or an interesting statement?

yes, I would not be surprised if Fitch would turn back on the "one or two years" by Friday, it's not as if they have a reputation to lose!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:35 | 1997035 Gunga
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 I just need the financial house of cards to hold together for like 3 more weeks. That'll give me time to close out my 401k,IRA etc and roll it into a nice little farm I have picked out.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 09:35 | 1997208 Iconoclast
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Then Mosanto will come knocking...or the farm will be confiscated.. ;-)

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:46 | 1997041 Tense INDIAN
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fitch ...plz SHUT UP...I have huge LONG position

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:46 | 1997042 Dick Darlington
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But downgrades, esp if multinotch accompanied with neg outlook, are bullish in the zEuro-la la land.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:49 | 1997044 Socrate
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Ah, nous sommes tous foutus. La France sans son tripple AAA c'est comme Paris sans sa Tour Eiffel.

Oh, we are all fscked up. France without its tripple AAA is like Paris without Eiffel tower. </sarc>

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:49 | 1997046 distopiandreamboy
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That explains why the futures are up

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:54 | 1997053 vxpatel
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futures are up because we live in such a wonderful society.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 08:42 | 1997118 Chaffinch
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Futures are up because the choco ration has gone up again...

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 08:10 | 1997078 wandstrasse
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Isn't Fitch owned by French?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 08:11 | 1997079 Dick Darlington
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Italy Industrial Orders s.a.   (MoM) -1,6%

Italy Industrial Orders n.s.a. (YoY) -4,8%

To sum up, all is well.


Tue, 12/20/2011 - 08:15 | 1997084 wandstrasse
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BREAKING! Rating agencies threaten to downgrade Germany because they might lose WW2... Further warn to downgrade the Roman Empire etc etc...

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 08:39 | 1997110 disabledvet
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It is not Spain or even Italy in my view but France that represents "ground zero" if this financial weapon of mass destruction goes off. It's hard to leave aside the haughty arrogance in the midst of a generalized systemic collapse of their banks followed by a surge in the polls for the Socialists. France represents both the beginning and the end for the EU...but not necessarily for the euro. Indeed I could forsee a euro area that forces France to go back to a (massively) devalued franc while Germany, Spain and Italy find a way to tough it out with the euro.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:36 | 2000056 MiddleageThinni...
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You know after watching the markets for a number of years and especially the last couple of years it just makes me think humans as a group are a pack of fools and certainly not the evolved beings we like to read about in literature.  Even though the markets are up to me it just continues to errode my sense of belief in governments in general but confirms why they don't pay attention to the public except once every 4 years where we choose one of two preselected candidates.  I'm surprized they had enough self control to kept the market pump to under 3%.  They are probably trying to change the technical charts so as to tell even the dimmest of technicians that it is all clear to buy everything and everyone.
I suppose this is the real reason for today's ramp session in the market?

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