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FOMC Minutes Indicate No Shift In Fed's Views, Even As Many Members See More Easing Likely Warranted

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The thoughts of the FOMC from a mere three weeks ago - before a 30bps rise in 10Y yields (40bps in 30Y), 5% rise in the NASDAQ, 8.5% rise in AAPL, and 85bps compression in Spanish bond spreads - are out. It appears little has changed in their muddle-through, always at-the-ready, wish-it-were-better view of the world. Via Bloomberg,


Translation: "Many on FOMC want the S&P at all time highs without actually doing any QE, ever, because that will mean the Fed is officially out of bullets"

Pre: 10Y 1.738, ES 1406.5, Gold 1637, Oil 96.6, EUR 1.2472
Post: 10Y 1.735 unch, ES 1411.5 +5, Gold 1647 +10, Oil 97.05 +.45, EUR 1.2515 +43

On inflation expectations:

Most members continued to anticipate that, with longer-term inflation expectations stable and the existing slack in resource utilization being taken up very gradually, inflation would run over the medium term at a rate at or below the Committee’s objective of 2 percent. In contrast, one member thought that the economy may be operating near its current potential and, thus, that maintaining the Committee’s current highly accommodative policy stance well into 2014 would pose upside risks to the inflation outlook.

Thank you Lacker.

The key section from the minutes that is briefly pushing stocks higher:

Many members expected that at the end of 2014, the unemployment rate would still be well above their es-timates of its longer-term normal rate and that inflation would be at or below the Committee’s longer-run objective of 2 percent. A number of them indicated that additional accommodation could help foster a more rapid improvement in labor market conditions in an environment in which price pressures were likely to be subdued. Many members judged that additional monetary accommodation would likely be warranted fairly soon unless incoming information pointed to a sub-stantial and sustainable strengthening in the pace of the economic recovery. Several members noted the bene-fits of accumulating further information that could help clarify the contours of the outlook for economic activity and inflation as well as the need for further policy action. One member judged that additional accommodation would likely not be effective in improving the economic outlook and viewed the potential costs associated with such action as unacceptably high. At the conclusion of the discussion, members agreed that they would closely monitor economic and financial devel-opments and carefully weigh the potential benefits and costs of various tools in assessing

On what form the future QE may be - first LSAP

One of the policy options discussed was an extension of the period over which the Committee expected to maintain its target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to ¼ percent. It was noted that such an extension might be particularly effective if done in conjunction with a statement indicating that a highly accommodative stance of monetary policy was likely to be maintained even as the recovery progressed. Participants also exchanged views on the likely benefits and costs of a new large-scale asset purchase program. Many participants expected that such a program could provide additional support for the economic recovery both by putting downward pressure on longer-term interest rates and by contributing to easier financial conditions more broadly. In addition, some partici-pants noted that a new program might boost business and consumer confidence and reinforce the Committee’s commitment to making sustained progress toward its mandated objectives. Participants also discussed the merits of purchases of Treasury securities relative to agency MBS. However, others questioned the possible efficacy of such a program under present circumstances, and a couple suggested that the effects on economic activity might be transitory....Several worried that additional purchases might alter the process of normalizing the Federal Re-serve’s balance sheet when the time came to begin re-moving accommodation. A few participants were con-cerned that an extended period of accommodation or an additional large-scale asset purchase program could increase the risks to financial stability or lead to a rise in longer-term inflation expectations.

Then IOER rate cut:

Some participants commented on other possible tools for adding policy accommodation, including a reduc-tion in the interest rate paid on required and excess reserve balances. While a couple of participants favored such a reduction, several others raised concerns about possible adverse effects on money markets. It was noted that the ECB’s recent cut in its deposit rate to zero provided an opportunity to learn more about the possible consequences for market functioning of such a move. In light of the Bank of England’s Fund-ing for Lending Scheme, a couple of participants ex-pressed interest in exploring possible programs aimed at encouraging bank lending to households and firms, although the importance of institutional differences between the two countries was noted.

On the phrasing of the statement:

With respect to the statement to be released following the meeting, members agreed that it should acknowledge the deceleration in economic activity, the small gains in employment, and the slowing in inflation reflected in the economic data over the intermeeting period. Because most saw no significant changes in the medium-run outlook, they agreed to continue to indi-cate that the Committee anticipates a very gradual pickup in economic activity over time and a slow de-cline in unemployment, with inflation at or below the rate that it judges most consistent with its dual man-date. Many members expressed support for extending the Committee’s forward guidance, but they agreed to defer a decision on this matter until the September meeting in order to consider such an adjustment in the context of updates to participants’ individual economic projections and the Committee’s further consideration of its policy options....Consistent with the concerns expressed by many members about the slow pace of the economic recovery, the downside risks to economic growth, and the consider-able slack in resource utilization, the Committee decid-ed that the statement should conclude by indicating that it will provide additional accommodation as need-ed to promote a stronger economic recovery and sus-tained improvement in labor market conditions in a context of price stability.

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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:05 | 2728086 Precious
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Time for war and the mother of all pussy riots.  Unilateral or joint attack by Israel and US against Iran, leading to cyber counterstrikes by Russian and Chinese hackers that bring US financial markets to a standstill.  Plan for that Ben.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:07 | 2728102 ParkAveFlasher
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"mother of all pussy riots" ... nice

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:29 | 2728182 TruthInSunshine
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The Bernank (speaking for the collective borg): 

"We're going to do QE3 or maybe not! We mean it this time! Doubt that pledge to your own detriment!"


{Bernank pulls out a cap gun as a demonstrative aid and pops off a few caps into the air}



C'mon, Bernank. QE3 bitch!  Let's see that big $5.00 for a gallon of 87 octane!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:44 | 2728262 Stoploss
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Don't forget the additional drop in house prices too!

The question i have for the FED would be that, since they are using velocity of money to keep " inflation tame " ( it is lower than the level in 1933 ), while food and energy continue to rise, what exactly do they expect to happen when the velocity of money reaches zero??

The FED is the sole reason there is no velocity of money, due to the obvious unescapeable fact they have ordered banks NOT TO LEND, to specifically keep their inflation target artificially low, to allow them to use this endless bullshit game of we're ready if need be.

Further velocity supression will be required in less than thirty day's.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:59 | 2728323 Spastica Rex
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I mentioned this the other day -

I'm poor and rent where I live is way higher than a mortgage, so I got one from a local credit union.

I asked the loan officer if the mortgage would ever be sold to another party, he said, "Oh, no, never!"

30 days later I got a letter in the mail saying that Fannie Mae now owns my loan.

Local credit union has cash, American tax payer holdes note for my crumbling 1957 rambler.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:56 | 2728520 LMAOLORI
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"Stoploss The FED is the sole reason there is no velocity of money, due to the obvious unescapeable fact they have ordered banks NOT TO LEND, to specifically keep their inflation target artificially low, to allow them to use this endless bullshit game of we're ready if need be.

Further velocity supression will be required in less than thirty day's."


Exactly just in time to save obama it's a two fer if they had done it in August with Republicans complaining they wouldn't have an excuse other then politics for when they do it in September. 

Congressional Republican's to Bernanke: Do less, not more


Judging from recent economic commentary, there are plenty of economists who think the Federal Reserve needs to do much, much more to juice the U.S. economy. Scott SumnerPaul Krugman, and the Economist have all lambasted Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke on this front.

But in Congress, this view seems curiously absent. On Thursday morning, Bernanke testifiedbefore the U.S. Congress Joint Economic Committee. Republicans at the hearing were quick to criticize the Fed chairman over recent reports that the central bank might contemplate more “quantitative easing” — the so-called QE3 — to jump-start the stalling recovery. Very few Democrats, however, offered any sort of counterbalance. At the moment, most of the political pressure on Bernanke is to do lessstimulus, not to do more.

“I wish you would take QE3 off the table,” said Texas Rep. Kevin Brady, the ranking Republican on the committee. “I wish you would look the markets in the eye and say that the Fed has done too much.” Similarly, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) complained to Bernanke that many of the stimulative measures the Federal Reserve has taken “are giving us a false sense of security.”

But what about Democrats? The ranking Democrat on the committee, Sen. Bob Casey, merely inquired, in a neutral tone, whether the Federal Reserve was planning to take further action. Bernanke simply replied that the Fed was still contemplating the matter, and a lot depended on whether “there will be enough growth going forward to make material progress on the unemployment rate.” (Fed officials meet on June 19 to discuss their next steps.)

Indeed, the harshest grilling that Bernanke got on the Democratic side was from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), who was more interested in criticizing the Federal Reserve for various conflicts of interest — the fact that, for instance, Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan, still sits on the board of the New York Fed. About the only liberal encouragement Bernanke received was from Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), who said, “I believe that the Fed should use any tool in its arsenal to provide support to our fragile economy.”

As far as the money market argument....

"Some participants commented on other possible tools for adding policy accommodation, including a reduc-tion in the interest rate paid on required and excess reserve balances. While a couple of participants favored such a reduction, several others raised concerns about possible adverse effects on money markets."

Alan Blinder crushes that argument

"The Fed has steadfastly opposed this idea for years. Why? One objection is true but silly: Lowering the IOER might not be a very powerful instrument. No kidding. Are there a lot of powerful instruments sitting around unused? 

The other objection is that making the IOER zero or negative would push other money-market rates even closer to zero than they are now, thereby hurting money-market funds and otherwise impeding the functioning of money markets. My answer two years ago was that we have more important things to worry about. My answer today is that it has mostly happened anyway: U.S. money-market rates are negligible

It is noteworthy that the European Central Bank just jumped ahead of the Fed by cutting the rate it pays on bank deposits to zero—and European money markets did not die. Denmark's National Bank went even further, dropping its deposit rate to minus 20 basis points. Yet the Little Mermaid still sits in Copenhagen harbor.

The Fed's hostility toward lowering the interest on excess reserves is almost self-contradictory. When Mr. Bernanke lists the weapons the Fed plans to use when the time comes to tighten monetary policy, he always gives raising the IOER a prominent role. His reasoning is straightforward and sound: If the Fed makes holding reserves more attractive, banks will hold more of them. Why doesn't the same reasoning apply in the other direction?"

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:04 | 2728720 Muppet of the U...
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I must say I disagree.  If the Fed truly is not Qe'ing the market, then they have successfully used QE.  Think about it, if they haven't been expanding the money supply for QE, but their leading promises of QE are forcing the market higher, then the plan actually worked marvelously. Above and beyond this, this also means they can keep bond yields remarkably low, and we can see these days where bonds explode higher and the market also moves higher, thereby negating the correlation between the two.  At the same time, the increasing market forces the dollar down and establishes Euro strength.


Now while none of this fixes Europe in a long term sense, it still establishes the U.S. in a position of strength.  The real question that remains, what eventual impact will exploding PM values have on the value of fiat currencies like the U.S. dollar. 


More importantly, what happens to the value of the dollar, if the U.S. isn't able to uphold the Petro-Dollar Accord?  Will it require the U.S. to go to war with China and Russia in order to enforce Opec's compliance?  This to me, is the greatest threat to the dollar.  Forget everything else, the dollar hinges on the success to intimidate the Opec nations to obey the Petro-dollar accord.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:32 | 2728185 BLOTTO
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Dear Tyler and fellow ZH'rs...


What are the chances right before...'they'...hit the Q...E...3 button...

'Someone' -

BAM! - hits the false flag button?

Who needs QE3 when a massive war is happenning in the ME/NA region and abroad?

A possibility?


These pyschopaths are highly intelligent and have tricks up their sleeve(s) that we havent even covered yet - as smart as we ZH'rs are...they are smarter...and have more money...and more resources...and more connections, etc...


Stay tuned...and 'in tune'

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:42 | 2728256 MachoMan
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I'm not sure it's fair to say they're smarter, as that implies capacity...  however, there is certainly an information gap that is punitively exploited, which has the same effect.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:05 | 2728356 Wm the Shrubber
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Their biggest advantage is a complete lack of conscience and single-minded focus on maintaining power, wealth and position for the status quo.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:48 | 2728513 MachoMan
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Of course, it's their greatest weakness as well...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:20 | 2729259 poor fella
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If this occured, spending would hit the shitter (real more badder than it already has) as people watch the embedded 'reporters' covering the US's new empire building project. Say hello to my little Great Depression III.

That's why Bush Jr. Inc. pleaded with people to continue to be as shallow as normal and get out there and 'buy buy buy'.


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:28 | 2728183 Silver Bug
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If the market goes down enough, then the easing will come. QE to infinity is assured.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:04 | 2728087 Racer
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Same old, same old, waffle, lie, waffle, lie, scratch head, waffle, lie, lie, lie...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:11 | 2728129 Nothing To See Here
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Risk onff

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:32 | 2728200 TruthInSunshine
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Scizophrenic, broken, Bernank'd markets.



Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:05 | 2728088 transaccountin
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but but but steve lies-man i suck a fatty says we are this close to qe3.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:19 | 2728136 Quinvarius
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We'd need a time machine to get back to QE3.

QE1, QE2, QE lite (QE3), Twist (QE4), Twist 2 (QE5).

And until Steve Liesman personally sucks my fatty, I will never believe anything but pie goes into that hole.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:17 | 2728139 Cognitive Dissonance
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To a fiat crack addict >this close< is good enough for a Placebo Effect high.


Was that as good for you as it was for me?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:30 | 2728197 Dr. Richard Head
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Ever huff on toner?  It feels like I'm walking on sunshine.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:36 | 2728218 PiratePawpaw
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It depends on what your definition of "this" is.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:05 | 2728091 Jason T
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manufacturing has been falling since the end ofWW2

easing soon means keep them rates down at any cost.. 

soon as them rates go up, game over.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:06 | 2728094 pazmaker
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and the EUR/USD clears 1,25!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:06 | 2728095 ParkAveFlasher
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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:06 | 2728097 Robot Traders Mom
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What's the difference between ignorance and indifference?


I don't know and I don't care.


-FOMC Joke Around 2012

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:07 | 2728098 FL_Conservative
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The bullshit continues as the EUR/USD takes some viagra.  There will be NO QE3 until BOTH the economy and the equity market are in the tank!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:09 | 2728117 alien-IQ
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They don't have to ever do QE...they could just claim to be willing to and that seems to move the markets plenty.

this has gone far past being pathetic.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:05 | 2728355 Spastica Rex
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Why not just create trading algorithms that never really sell?

Oh, wait...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:07 | 2728099 alien-IQ
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I guess that explains the massive volume buying /ES.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:07 | 2728100 HaroldWang
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No reason for QE3 with markets up near highs. Just talking about it runs it up so no reason to ever implement it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:07 | 2728101 HelluvaEngineer
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Marketwatch apparently reporting discussions regarding QE3, of course in the context that it's a lock-up.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:07 | 2728103 PatBateman
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bubbles bubbles, everywhere

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:07 | 2728106 BeetleBailey
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Some douche on CNBC just took credit for the word "hopium"....

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:10 | 2728123 HaroldWang
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Doesn't matter. You're probably one of the ten people watching CNBC today that actually saw that.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:28 | 2728184 Meesohaawnee
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you mean to tell me someone actually listens to CNBS??

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:19 | 2728148 Yen Cross
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      The guys name is Brian Sullivan, and he's a fucking sock puppet!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:07 | 2728107 kaa1016
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There goes the Leisman spin on CNBS about QE3 coming in September. These people have a god complex thinking that they have the ability to wave a QE wand improve the economy and we all live happily ever after. It's only a matter of time before this house of cards comes tubbling down.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:08 | 2728111 Hype Alert
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When rates go up, they have to print.  Now, what's the interest payment on that debt at higher rates?

It's a problem. 


We need to start looking at stock charts from Zimbabwe again.  I wonder if the algo's are programmed for those patterns?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:24 | 2728619 HappyCamper
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The interest rate is whatever the Fed wants it to be.  They ARE the market.  ZIRP is just another way to monetize the debt.

And yes, the comparison to Zimbabwe is accurate.


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:08 | 2728113 El
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Well, well, well...what have we here.

“Those wondering why the Department of Justice has refused to go after Jon Corzine for the vaporization of $1.6 billion in MF Global client funds need look no further than the documents uncovered by the Government Accountability Institute that reveal that the now-defunct MF Global was a client of Attorney General Eric Holder and Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer’s former law firm, Covington & Burling.”

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:25 | 2728172 Pareto
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Corzine and Holder should have done to them what Howard Stern did to Horse last night on AGT.  fuckers.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:08 | 2728114 Peter K
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SNB needed some help getting their 1.2500a filled:)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:09 | 2728119 slaughterer
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Short the pops.  

Doubt will creep in fast here.  

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:31 | 2728198 fonzannoon
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one of the rare days when ben speaks and gold pops a boner. odd.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:09 | 2728121 reader2010
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Keep increasing the global marginal tax rate! Go Bernan!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:10 | 2728125 magpie
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This morning i said -1,5 % on the S&P, now i say -1,2lol

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:11 | 2728127 Yen Cross
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 The Fed report will have a couple of hours (1/2 life) , then I'll short the hell out of it! This doesn't even qualify as a tape bomb.

Gas and food costs will go balistic, if the Fed. prints more. Steve Liesman needs to get a bungalow with Mario Draghi, so they can sit around the fire and pump each other up...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:30 | 2728193 edb5s
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Try 20-30 minutes (1/2 life)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:39 | 2728242 TruthInSunshine
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Scientific method for measuring FOMC jawboning half-life:


The time it takes Steve LIESman to ingest 2 quarts of Ben & Jerry's Chunky Monkey.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:38 | 2728233 BeetleBailey
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STUPID action in FX....I mean...crazy YenCross.....what's your take on it?


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:10 | 2728128 Auburn
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Gold didn't react as if a major infux of cash was a couple weeks away.  I'll continue to load up regardless.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:11 | 2728130 Quinvarius
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Alex, I'll take "things I wish I didn't say just before bailing out JPM from a bad trade for 280 billion dollars".

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:13 | 2728133 surf0766
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12 minute half life?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:14 | 2728134 zrussell
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No QE3,4,5,6,7,8??


But, I've already priced it in to my Netflix movie queue!!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:13 | 2728135 ThunderingTurd
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The game is up.  An increase in food stuffs and energy would absolutely crush the world at these levels.  There will be no more easing until 2013 and the market will adjust to headlines like "Japan's EU exports down 25% YoY".  A move lower in global growth is coming.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:17 | 2728146 dcb
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this must have caused the 14:00 rally. we see all too aoften w=b een wondering what it was abot, ande the nearest I can figure is they stay within the hourly bollenger bands. but that would not be time dependent. Not sure why the volume surge at 14:00 isn't a matter to be investigated, but heck, who knows

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:46 | 2728507 ZeroAvatar
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This explains the front-running pop in silver the last 3 days.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:20 | 2728154 Meesohaawnee
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yaaawwn... translation .. well steal more from grannie to give to our criminal buddies  if we need. many more favored.. Translation. many more got thier bribe check..... there not gonna do it!! MOMMY MAKE THIS STOP!!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:21 | 2728158 Sandy15
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They are discussing it, but they will not push for it until they crash the market and people are begging for it.  Right now, the S&P is at a double top.  They have to crash it so sheeples will beg Benny for more printing.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:21 | 2728161 Peter K
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If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

Hopium in all it's glory:(

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:22 | 2728163 ekm
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When is everybody going to understand that the current Fed members are just ORDER TAKERS from Congress and WH?

Can't you see that QE1 and QE2 happened when the Dems had House, Senate and WH? Can't anybody notice that since the Republicans won the house, nothing happened?

There's no power in the Fed any longer. They are just advisors, that's it.

For any move the Rep House and the Dem WH must agree. If no agreement, nothing happens. PERIOD

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:24 | 2728167 alien-IQ
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Looks like the euphoria has already worn off.

That had a half-life of what?...15 minutes? if that...

time to construct the next rumor before the 4pm bell.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:25 | 2728169 slaughterer
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The next rumor is Greece leaving the EURO next month. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:27 | 2728178 fonzannoon
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no more qe. the data the next few months will be better than expected. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:33 | 2728208 alien-IQ
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considering everybody expects the data to suck, better than expected should be fairly easy to manipulate...errr...I mean...accomplish.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:35 | 2728215 fonzannoon
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yup. looks like the message today that qe is coming successfully propped up the market. mission accomplished.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:24 | 2728170 bnbdnb
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Biggest move = OIL.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:26 | 2728173 slaughterer
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The Fed's inflations expectations ignores all the astronomic price rises in softs.  Amazing.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:13 | 2728388 ThunderingTurd
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+10.  Crazy ignorant.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:27 | 2728175 Tinky
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Off topic, what what's the story with the sharp gold pop that just occurred?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:36 | 2728220 fonzannoon
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tinky it's not off topic. the fed just said qe is coming. next months better than expected nfp will change that though.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:46 | 2728267 Tinky
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Thanks. I obviously wasn't paying attention.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:27 | 2728177 surf0766
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Stocks pare losses on pent up housing demand for more QE by aliens.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:27 | 2728181 RobinHood73
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we are officialy in the ninth inning. keep stimulus efforts alive without actually doing anything. The reality is there cannot be QE ,simply  by virtue of agricultural products alone. Recall the rice crisis and global food revolutions that boxed the fed last round, are very much still a factor, given the drought we are confronting. The fed is in a box 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:29 | 2728187 Peter K
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Hurry up and get your EURO's, just in front of Drahgi's supply:)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:29 | 2728188 Nobody For President
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the Committee decid-ed that the statement should conclude by indicating that it will provide additional accommodation as need-ed to promote a stronger economic recovery and sus-tained improvement in labor market conditions in a context of price stability.


The Committee also decided to endorse God, apple pie, and motherhood.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:30 | 2728192 uncle_vito
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Any easing will not be until after elections.  Lots can happen between then and now.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:30 | 2728194 alien-IQ
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The Bernanke effect: USD off the cliff, Oil soaring.

Thanks dickhead!!!!!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:32 | 2728199 vote_libertaria...
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So we've had our 15 minute wobble that over ran the bots.  Now volume has dropped to zero and the bots have the stocks exactly where they were at 1:59.


What's the problem....luuuuuuv the bots.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:32 | 2728205 Meesohaawnee
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please please robin hood. I refuse to call it stimulus. I call it the raping and pillaging of granny. its anything but stimulus to anyone other than wall street. if they just called it "we fuck you over one more time" i can live with the honesty

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:33 | 2728210 SmoothCoolSmoke
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What was that good for......20  Dow points?   LMAO.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:33 | 2728212 mewenz
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as tyler and others have mentioned, Fed has apparently decided on it's own to add a 3rd mandate, as if they were doing so well with the 2 they have, targeting the level of the Russell 2000.

So, I guess instead of capital allocation being determined via market forces and the strengths and weaknesses of products, services, ideas etc., it is better left to Ben Bernanke and the folks at Russell investments to determine where capital should be allocated in America.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:34 | 2728213 Flaming Ferrari
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If you didn't buy the dip before the minutes, there may still be time. Just do it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:35 | 2728216 rubearish10
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The YEN!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:36 | 2728223 Flaming Ferrari
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If you didn't buy the dip before the minutes, there may still be time. Just do it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:38 | 2728229 Peter K
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Why is Bernanke doing QE bad for the USD but Drahgi doing QE good for the EURO?  Supply/Demand, don't need no stinking Supply/Demand:)


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:38 | 2728230 Bastiat009
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Massive euro rally. Can the Fed save the euro? All of a sudden, Greece, Spain and Italy are far more wealthier ... Europeans love Bernanke. He bails out European banks and make everything cheaper there too. 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:39 | 2728243 Flaming Ferrari
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Positioning. Specs very short EUR and very long USD.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:45 | 2728270 khakuda
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I guess Bernanke doesn't see that the S&P is up 14%, twice the long term average this year already and that oil is pushing $100.  He needs to raise the prices of everything some more to help us all.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:51 | 2728290 yogibear
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It's print to infinity,printathon, trash the US dollar. The US dollar gonna be devalued another 50%.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:52 | 2728299 BrigstockBoy
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Bernanke = Draghi. Same script.

We'll do whatever it takes to preserve the dollar. And believe me, it will be enough...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:07 | 2728369 Peter K
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You mean "crush the dollar".

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:53 | 2728303 Flaming Ferrari
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USD 50% lower then the US can start selling the Chinese stuff they don't need on credit! Of course no one will be taking any foreign holidays but people will have jobs.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:03 | 2728344 poldark
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New York taxi driver mentions QE3 and the Dow moves up sharply

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:03 | 2728347 Mr_Wonderful
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The FED is already leveraged 60-1 against its own capital and therefore can´t really do jackshift as has been evidenced in its latest shuffling around of its portfolio from short to long. There is a huge pump ongoing and the dump after Jackson Hole will be severe.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:32 | 2728458 Shelby Moore III
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The FOMC has telegraphed its next move, but the market did not read the minutes carefully yet. The market will read this carefully over the next hours and days.

Many members want "monetary accomodation" soon and only one dissented:

Many members judged that additional monetary accommodation would likely be warranted fairly soon...

One member judged that additional accommodation would likely not be effective...

Extending promise to keep interest rates low was the most agreeable:

It was noted that such an extension might be particularly effective...

Anything beyond that raised the objections of more than one member:

However, others questioned the possible efficacy of such a program...

And these minutes were from before all the risk-on assets rallied in August, housing was up, and the food inflation rocket became more evident. Thus the FOMC has less justification to act now, than then.

Thus the most accomodation we will get on Sept 13, is an extension of jawboning about interest rates. The market will then realize the global contraction will get no injection of money until at least after the elections. Risk-on assets should sell off when the market makes this realization. Even if this selloff begins before Sept. 13, then next FOMC meeting can not go further than lengthening guidance, unless the selloff is severe enough. So in either case, it is time to move to a short position.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:21 | 2728560 Shelby Moore III
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As I expected, the NY Times explains the FOMC minutes do not support a QE3 by Sept 13:


But the latest economic weakening – when once again the recovery lost momentum – has raised investor speculation that the Fed might take yet more measures to support the economy.


Many market participants are betting on a massive new round of bond-buying — called “quantitative easing” by central bankers and colloquially known as “QE3,” since the Fed has launched two prior efforts.


But some Federal Reserve officials have expressed hesitancy about whether such measures would work. The so-called hawks on the committee – those more concerned with the specter of rising inflation – have also argued that the Fed should abstain.


Some economic data has come in better than expected recently. Most important, there are signs of a nascent housing recovery, with home prices and sales volumes picking up and builders more confident in breaking ground. Although the unemployment rate did not fall in July, hiring picked up.

Ben Bernanke's Jackson Hole speech could be a letdown

Allen Sinai, chief global economist for Decision Economics and a Jackson Hole attendee for the past 20 years, said people "will be disappointed" if they think Bernanke will signal that the Fed is ready to launch a third round of quantitative easing or QE3.

"I don't think he's going to say anything new," added Catherine Mann, a finance professor at Brandeis University and former Fed economist who has attended the meeting twice.

Wall Street has high expectations for Bernanke to make a bold statement about future policy.

After all, Bernanke used his 2010 Jackson Hole speech to hint at QE2. Many are hoping the Fed will soon launch a third round of asset purchases to further boost the economy, and as a side effect, juice the stock market.

But here's the problem: The latest batch of economic reports have muddled the picture for the economy and could make it more difficult for the Fed to justify any major change in policy.

While an aggressive statement, it’s not clear whether a spate of economic releases since that meeting — showing a 163,000 expansion in nonfarm payrolls in July and a pickup in retail sales, among other statistics — has changed anyone’s mind.

The president of the Atlanta Fed, Dennis Lockhart, said Tuesday there was a risk in using monetary policy “too aggressively” to counter problems that need to be fixed on a fiscal level. Lockhart is considered to be a swing voter between the doves pushing more action and the hawks wanting the Fed to step off the gas.

Analysts said the Fed’s annual gathering in Jackson Hole, Wyo., and a speech there by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, will be closely eyed.

“Bernanke’s Jackson Hole speech is the next stop on the Fed accommodation bandwagon,” said Vincent Reinhart of Morgan Stanley.


More detailed analysis:

Key point is that a swing member changed his stance since last meeting:

Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart said yesterday the committee faces a risk of easing too much while trying to energize a “disappointing” three-year-old recovery. In contrast, he said last month that weak economic data increased the odds he would back more Fed purchases of bonds known as quantitative easing to cut borrowing costs.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:38 | 2728474 Lore
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They keep prattling about "recovery." It has been 4 years without real evidence of "recovery."  Can these people be any more GLIB?


Wed, 08/22/2012 - 16:02 | 2728561 Spastica Rex
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There's been a recovery for everyone!

That matters.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:15 | 2728748 frugartarian
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the fed cant run out of bullets unitl hyperinflation =(

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:15 | 2728749 frugartarian
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the fed cant run out of bullets unitl hyperinflation =(

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 18:50 | 2728941 Ted Baker
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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 20:06 | 2729046 chump666
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The Fed are out of control.

China WILL NOT let this oil price rally over 100. 

Get ready for rare (factual) bad data out of China

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:41 | 2729291 ekm
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I'm impressed. Totally correct looking at the just released data.

Though China does buy oil at $115, Brent.

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