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FOMC Minutes: "More Bond Buying May Be Necessary"

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Some of the key headlines from the just released FOMC minutes via Bloomberg, which however don't show anything out of the ordinary:

  • A FEW FED OFFICIALS SAID MORE BOND BUYING MAY BECOME NECESSARY. So (1-Few) did not see it as necessary
  • FOMC PARTICIPANTS SAW `GRADUAL’ IMPROVEMENT IN LABOR MARKET
  • FOMC OFFICIALS SAW `MODERATE’ IMPROVEMENT IN HOUSEHOLD SPENDING
  • FOMC PARTICIPANTS SAW `DEPRESSED’ HOUSING SECTOR
  • FOMC OFFICIALS SAID GLOBAL FINANCIAL STRAINS POSED BIG RISKS
  • FOMC PARTICIPANTS FORECAST INFLATION WOULD REMAIN `SUBDUED’
  • SOME FED OFFICIALS FAVORED QE IF INFLATION FALLS, GROWTH SLOWS

Some interesting observations on the Fed's outlook on the balance sheet:

Most participants indicated that they expected that the normalization of the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet should occur in a way consistent with the principles agreed on at the June 2011 meeting of the FOMC, with the timing of adjustments dependent on the expected date of the first policy tightening. A few participants judged that, given their current assessments of the economic  outlook, appropriate policy would include additional asset purchases in 2012, and one assumed an early ending of the maturity  extension program.

And some more:

The Committee also stated that it is prepared to adjust the size and composition of its securities holdings as appropriate to promote a stronger economic recovery in a context of price stability. A few members observed that, in their judgment, current and prospective economic conditions—including elevated unemployment and inflation at or below the Committee’s objective—could warrant the initiation of additional securities purchases before long. Other members indicated that such policy action could become necessary if the economy lost momentum or if inflation seemed likely to remain below its mandate-consistent rate of 2 percent over the medium run.

Lacker's comment:

In contrast, one member judged that maintaining the current degree of policy accommodation beyond the near term would likely be inappropriate; that member anticipated that a preemptive tightening of monetary policy would be necessary before the end of 2014 to keep inflation close to 2 percent

And here is why the Fed, unlike the market, thinks the economy is not growing (unlike the NASDAPPLE):

A number of factors suggested that the pace of the expansion would continue to be restrained. Although some indicators of activity in the housing sector improved slightly at the end of 2011, new homebuilding and sales remained at depressed levels, house prices were still falling, and mortgage credit remained tight. Households’ real disposable income rose only modestly through late 2011. In addition, federal spending contracted toward year-end, and the restraining effects of fiscal consolidation appeared likely to be greater this year than anticipated at the time of the November projections. Participants also read the information on economic activity abroad, particularly in Europe, as pointing to weaker demand for U.S. exports in coming quarters than had seemed likely when they prepared their forecasts in November.

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Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Conman
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What? No ZIRP4EVA till 2014? QE3 is a fantasy? Say it aint so uncle Benny! Learn from Greece and expel the dissenters!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment true brain
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someone explain to me how bond purchases will stimulate the economy. any taker any geniuses out there.

bond purchase = inflation= increase commodities= decrease purchashing power of sheeple= decrease gdp= increased unemployment= more government handouts= more bond purchases. (circle to hell is complete.)

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Conman
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Basic Keynesian theory. Dont want to bore everyone here just wiki it.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment devo
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It doesn't. It raises nominal prices of assets, which makes people feel good, and Joe Six Pack doesn't understand inflation (i.e. that his basic goods increase more than his assets) so he thinks he's wealthier. Gold and land are the only good assets, and they will seize land if it gets real bad, so gold wins.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment trav7777
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maybe, just maybe, bitchez

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 17:02 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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WHEN WILL INVESTORS FIGURE OUT THAT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF POSSIBLE QE IS HAVING THE SAME IMPACT AS ACTUAL QE? Like it matters anyway....THEY HAVE NOT STOPPED PRINTING!!!!!!!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Roy T
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FOMC PARTICIPANTS SAW `DEPRESSED’ HOUSING SECTOR

 

What???? We are on the verge on SPRING selling season!!! Everyone buy, buy, buy the homebuilders. Data be damned.  Hasn't the FOMC heard that the HBs are confident???

/snark

 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Conman
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Real as in yes he said it. Not as in he'll fall in line when push comes to shove.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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MUST NOT LET INFLATION FALL FROM ITS CURRENT REAL LEVEL OF ABOUT 9% PER ANNUM IN THE U.S. IF THE GOAL OF DEBASING AMERICAN LIVING STANDARDS BY HALF IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TO KEEP THE BEST BANKING FRIENDS OF THE NEW YORK CITY BRANCH OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE FLUSH WITH FIAT IS TO BE REALIZED.

Allowing Americans an increase in purchasing power during the economic ass reaming session they're experiencing would be tragic.

*Sorry for the all caps above. It was cathartic.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment RSloane
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ITS OKAY. EVENTUALLY YOU WILL COME TO TYPING FUCK IN CAPS IN EVERY POST BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY E THING THAT WILL MAKE YOU FEEL MOMENTARILY BETTER.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment resurger
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FUCK EM' ALL!

TOMORROW THE MARKET'S WILL SURGE 2%, EXPECT EVERYTHING!

THEY HAVE A PLAN TO CRASH SILVER AND GOLD!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment LowProfile
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...Yep, you're right.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:15 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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HATERS GONNA HATE!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment Tom Servo
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U mad bro?

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 02:21 | Link to Comment Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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The ONLY way to keep the global credit based monetary system from imploding is to have prices increase faster than the real economy shrinks as peak oil means growth in real terms is not coming back any time soon.

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

Thu, 02/16/2012 - 14:40 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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This is the real reason The Bernank has to keep the inflation rate high; to offset the drop in real consumption, so that they can avoid talking about what has been economic contraction in real terms for some time now, and certainly far longer than two consecutive quarters.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Did I mention the stock market looks drunk...again?????

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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You're not supposed to sober up and notice.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment Manthong
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real or not real?

NOT REAL inasmuch as they won't announce anything anymore.

But they will buy, swap. twist, bend, fold and mutilate with a "balance sheet" expanded to infinity as that's all they have left. 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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So, why is silver selling off like a scalded dog?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment kito
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because BEN IS NOT ENGAGING IN QE3 ANYTIME SOON!! its the same reason gold wont go much higher from here anytime soon. only promises, promises. learn from bill gross--he just made his second huge mistake relying on the idea that ben is a printing robot..........ben is getting the last laugh right now..............

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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They have been yelling about housing bottoming all day. All week. Homebuilders rabble rabble. Multi family rabble rabble. Sentiment rabble rabble. There will be no QE unless signs of deflation continue to show in housing. Then it's go time.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:07 | Link to Comment kito
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bernanke just admitted recently that housing may not be a safe investment. why would he then pump dollars into unsafe investment?  give it up. its not happening in the mortgage backed arena. and its not happening anywhere for a long time.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Why? Because Bernanke doesn't give two shits about returns, maybe? Because he is the buyer of last resort to keep the ponzi going.

I'll give you credit kito, your analysis is sound from a financial market perspective. Thing is, that market is being dismantled and transferred over to the political realm where ugly things such as insolvency (as well as GAAP-based accounting principles) are wholly moot.

One day though, the ruse will fold, and the CBs and/or their host govs. will be the only ones left standing with any assets. Because if they don't own it already, their agents do. Fekete's articles on ever-falling interest rates and the subsequent transfer/misallocations of capital it causes do an excellent job of describing this effect in detail.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:30 | Link to Comment jimmyjames
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because BEN IS NOT ENGAGING IN QE3 ANYTIME SOON!!

its the same reason gold wont go much higher from here anytime soon.

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i don't know what gold will do in the future-but your post sounds like you think the USA is the world-

What will China or India or the Euros do about gold?

I don't know that either-but i do know that the US population makes up only about 8% of the world gold assets-so i suspect that making a gold price call based on the Fed alone-could have a few at least for you-unseen consequences-

 

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment trav7777
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people realized how stupid silverbugz are and figured they'd take the opposite side of "dumb money"

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Why is silver down?

Thin manipulated market..  asset movements..

Fundamentals won't kick in until a shake out in the wider market.. down with panic and manipulation, then up when Ben changes the BDI by filling the bulk ships up wih loose fill Benjamins.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 17:01 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Harvey Organ called a "banker raid" within the week, BTFD

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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Yeah, so has Turd and a number of others based on quite a few signs.  I'm expecting it, but that particular news didn't seem like the right timing to me.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Wolferl
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USA. USA USA. (Read: QE3.QE3.QE3). Rofl.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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What, where did that long WWIII post go?  Same as it ever was.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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Let them buy everything they can because it may end shortly and USA won't look so good anymore in comparison with Europe. Let the recovery roll!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:15 | Link to Comment YesWeKahn
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"FOMC PARTICIPANTS FORECAST INFLATION WOULD REMAIN `SUBDUED’ "

Right, personal computer prices drop every year. People buy one of those every day.

Rent doesn't go up.

Food is free through food stamps

Gas is free because people ride bikes.

Awesome job, Bernanke.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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'Inflation remains subdued'...WELL at least for those who somehow dont ever have to buy anything like food, clothes, utilities, or gas.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Those don't count. They trade badly in the bond markets.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:18 | Link to Comment mktsrmanipulated
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infaltion in check...what are you fucking kidding me....how much is gas, food oh thats right they done count staples.....fucking gallon of milk doesnt count tell that to families....wtf

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment AL_SWEARENGEN
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This announcement explains why Silver got knee capped this afternoon.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:18 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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No big shocker there that more artificial inflation must be pushed in to support artificial inflation.  Leave it to the Fed to deny they laws of physics and logic in one statement.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:19 | Link to Comment mktsrmanipulated
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remember the only true way out of debt is to inflate out of it

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Vincent Vega
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"More bond buying may be necessary". Bwahaaaaaaaa...there's a phucking suprise. Does this mean that foreign investors aren't going to step in and sop up the 90% of issuance the Fed has been buying? Gargantuan cluster phuck. Vaporize the Fed.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:19 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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More bond buying? So I take it they've retired Operation Twist with immediate effect. Or does bond buying not count in newspeak when it's targeted at a specific maturity?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:19 | Link to Comment kito
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ha ha!! more bond buying may be necessary......cue the pavlovs response. all those on hopium thinking qe3 is coming can dream. now that ben has debunked the rumor of mortgage backed bond buying (essentially ruining bill gross) by admitting housing is a shitty investment, i wonder what rumor comes next.......  

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Conman
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Careful with that, i can see some bad GDP prints coming that allows this dream to become reality. Almosts sounds like a setup to me.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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The only thing that's subdued about inflation is my dick because I can't afford V anymore

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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The Fed can overpower any and all selling by:

 

- China

- Japan

- Russia

- U.K.

- Taiwan

All they have to do is to hit the "Monetize Now!" button on the computer at the NY Fed.

Result?

Instantaneous buying of U.S. Treasuries, and the mo-mo funds follow in their footsteps.

How easy is that?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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Yep, and all historical occasions of doing exactly this has always ended well (*).

(*) I might be fibbing here.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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To be fair, I don't think Robo is an advocate in this case.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 17:32 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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I don't think so either. I've seen some entirely level-headed posts by him. But all his statements like these essentially come down to pennies & steamroller.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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More bond MONETIZATION is DEFINITELY needed as we cant do anything else here at the FOMC except buy everything in sight daily with more imaginary money.

There, fixed it.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment StockHut
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The announcement of QE3 should be a national holiday, so we can all go spend our fiat before its worthless.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment STP
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Typical Fed posturing; "Well if we see growth slow (like, what fucking growth?) then we'll throw more money at it to 'stimulate' the economy (and we all know what past QE's have accomplished...zero, nothing, nada, zilch.  Unless your a TBTF institution, then you can just hang on to that money and make money off the money).

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment oldman
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I am surprised by arrogance in how obvious the control, not 'intervention', of the gold market has been over the last four days. In terms of two currencies, USD and CHF, this market has been owned by the machines and there is not even the slightest concern about who sees it or knows it.

It seems to this oldman that TPTB are so terrified that they are in a complete panic---think they won't use weapons against the masses? I have never seen anything like this and yet I feel like we are very close to the capitulation and self-destruction of TPTB-----I never thought this would happen during my lifetime, but-----------------------

This is no joke---not only can the fear and its panic be smelled in the air, but the hand that is being played out of control also seems to be out in the open.

It will not be pretty        om

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yep, looks that way to me too. They dont have a damn thing under control its now hour to hour all-out damage control and panic. Makes me wonder if their ;big plan' is not in utter tatters behind the curtain? There is NO POINT to any of this! Sure, they can keep the dead-empty markets up, and 'looking ok' to the average dope who doesnt know shit....but what does THAT get them? Nothing! Theres no POINT to it!

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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What gold market? You mean the Crimex?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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Bennie needs a little extra for his boss's election spending... you know for job security an all that.

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:07 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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So with them now monetizing every stock and bond that moves, they sense that 'inlfation may DROP'? And THEN 'more QE may be 'justified'? OMFG What are these people, escaped mental patients?

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment oldman
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Sheep,

Yes.

Except they are on the outside and we are on the inside----------for now

Virtual Reality 101

But virtual reality doesn't hold up well when it hits the street----and I think we are about to see just this encounter.

Think about how easy anything is when you do it in your head as opposed to how it functions when put into practice. I see it all of the time here in South America, but we just laugh and go back to the drawing board----we are not crazy simply human.

These dudes are so rigid of mind that their capacity for dealing with the 'unplugged' completely immobilizes them: remember Cairo when for days Hilary would say one thing and Obama would say something different? This is much bigger than Cairo---it's everything they hold dear-----I just don't want to be in the same room with them when they meet the street, while they are holding the guns.

These fuckers are completely mad----good post, dude and thanks    om

Wed, 02/15/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment jimmyjames
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A few members observed that, in their judgment, current and prospective economic conditions—including elevated unemployment and inflation at or below the Committee’s objective—could warrant the initiation of additional securities purchases before long. Other members indicated that such policy action could become necessary if the economy lost momentum or if inflation seemed likely to remain below its mandate-consistent rate of 2 percent over the medium run.

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Translation-

If prices keep trying to fall because the peasents are too cash strapped to chase them higher-we'll buy securities and free up some liquidity so our investment banks can speculate with the Fed (taxpayer funded) asset purchases in the stock futures markets-

 

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