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Is The Foreclosure Settlement A Shadow Bailout For Broke California

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Just over a week ago we highlighted the desperate plight of cash-strapped California. With a $3.3bn short-term 'hole', they were looking for cash-management solutions under every rock and hard place they could find. Today we hear that California joins the Obama bank foreclosure settlement enabling $18bn of bank-funded cash (implicitly via Federal Reserve/Government coffers) can flow to the left coast. Los Angeles alone will receive $4bn which while eventually wending its way down to the consumer (to be spent and implicitly spurring further economic activity or perhaps more likely to pay down other debt in this balance sheet recessionary environment), as Bloomberg asks, "Why should a taxpayer in Houston or Wichita bail out irresponsible California homeowners, banks and the state’s public employees’ retirement fund?" To add to California's 'aid', BofA has become the first bank to sign up for the 'Keep your Home' program where Federal dollars are given to banks to encourage them to reduce mortgage balances on struggling (over-levered and perhaps once greedy) California homeowners. Certainly it is a happy coincidence that perhaps a short-term cash crisis could be band-aided in the Golden State by this well-timed joining of California to the settlement.


Taxpayers Prop Up California House of Cards: Steven Greenhut
By Steven Greenhut - Feb 9, 2012

Why should a taxpayer in Houston or Wichita bail out irresponsible California homeowners, banks and the state’s public employees’ retirement fund?

Yet that’s exactly what the Obama administration is looking to do in its latest effort to shore up a housing market that continues to sag as large percentages of Americans remain underwater in their mortgages.

The administration is pleased that California’s attorney general is now on board with the president’s multibillion-dollar bank settlement after securing tougher measures to benefit individual homeowners.

More good California-based news for President Barack Obama: Bank of America Corp. has become the first large mortgage provider in the Golden State to take part in a federally funded “Keep Your Home” program that would pay banks to reduce the balances that struggling California homeowners owe them.

Unfortunately, the federal mortgage-relief plan and the California foreclosure-aid fund are based on the same deep misunderstanding about the cause of the housing bust that led to many of the problems in the first place -- problems that were particularly pronounced in California because some policies here were worse than elsewhere. Greedy unregulated banks acted like drug pushers by enticing people to take on more debt than they could afford, the Obama administration thinking goes. This view is deeply flawed.

Houses as Casinos

The main debate among states was whether to provide more aid to individual homeowners or to provide greater latitude for states to sue these banks. There’s little discussion in the current negotiations about the role that government lending and land-use policies played in this mess or recollection about how the situation actually unfolded.

After the bubble burst, I recall asking a friend where all the money went as million-dollar tract houses lost half their value. He laughed, and pointed to his new RV -- a reminder of how prevalent it was for Californians to view their quickly appreciating houses as piggy banks. No doubt, predatory lenders engaged in fraudulent practices during the price run-up, but there’s much more to this story than that storyline.

Within months of moving from Ohio to Southern California in 1998, I noticed that home prices were rising rapidly and buyers were getting frenzied. We got out of our lease early, fearful that we would be relegated to permanent-renter status, and bought an aging $200,000 tract house. Within five years, homes like ours were selling for about $650,000.

It seemed as if everyone was refinancing, doing cash-outs, remodeling their places, buying new cars and taking Hawaiian vacations. Water-cooler conversations at work often revolved around discussions of “You’ll never guess what my house is worth.” After the crash, the same people have turned into victims, who apparently had no idea what they were doing and were preyed upon by banks.

Virtually every aspect of the lending process is governed by federal rules, so it’s nonsensical to argue that the banks were unregulated. Our political leaders seem to be forgetting, also, that it was direct government policy to arm-twist banks into giving out loans to unqualified buyers. The Community Reinvestment Act scored banks based on the number of loans they provided to low-income people.

Blame Federal Policy

As John McClaughry wrote in Reason magazine in December, “By 1995 the CRA had become a powerful tool in the hands of ACORN and allied activist organizations,” referring to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. “Unless a bank could silence their protests by making (and passing on to Fannie Mae) the demanded amount of subprime loans, it faced serious difficulties in obtaining regulatory approval for branching, merging, and other corporate decisions.”

This stemmed from an ideology, supported in Republican as well as Democratic circles, that viewed homeownership as the key to a prosperous life. In pricey California, lenders -- and governments, which often offered residents down-payment assistance and low-interest loans -- got ever more creative so that they could help buyers afford median home prices that soared above $600,000 in many urban markets.

Everyone was in on the game. California wants a tougher settlement, the New York Times reported, to help the California Public Employees’ Retirement System recoup some of its losses. Calpers was on the leading edge of this nonsense, as it used borrowed money to build what later became the most upside-down community in the nation -- Mountain House, California, across the Altamont Pass in the Central Valley, where Bay Area residents priced out of their region could afford a home, provided they could tolerate the grinding commute.

If one looks at prices in most places in the Midwest and South during the inflating housing bubble, one will find increased prices and small spikes, but nothing like what happened in California.

California has some of the most extreme land-use controls in the nation. When demand increased, in less-regulated housing markets, builders were able to construct houses in a reasonable amount of time. In California’s coastal communities, it can take years to gain the government approvals necessary to build a new subdivision, so the market couldn’t respond. As a result, the stock of existing homes soared in price and builders went into the hinterlands to build new subdivisions for commuters. This is bad policy on any number of economic and environmental levels.

Jobs Come First

I don’t hear anyone proposing any policy fixes for that problem. Instead, we get proposals to help homeowners refinance their mortgages even though they have no equity in their homes, something that might save them a little money each month, but won’t do anything to solve the real problem of owning a home that is worth less than the mortgage.

The Obama administration has argued that the economy won’t revive until the home market is fixed, but the opposite is true. I own two rental houses in the Central Valley, purchased for about 25 percent of their prices at the height of the market. They receive rents that are about double the total cost of the monthly payments, yet there is an abundance of homes like this available. People aren’t buying them because they don’t have jobs and because the government rules now make it too tough to get the credit to purchase them.

Instead of bailing out bad behavior from banks and consumers, it’s time for policy makers to let the market work -- in lending, land use and economic policy. In discussing the Obama mortgage proposal, USA Today opined this week that the Republican Party’s challenge is “to come up with an alternative that goes beyond simply saying no.” But saying no is exactly what the nation needs now, especially if yes means another bailout for imprudent Californians.


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Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:48 | 2143170 Gromit
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Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:06 | 2143263 Silver Bug
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ONCE again David Berman over at the Globe and Mail is up to his old tricks again. Hating on Gold and basically calling Gold investors gamblers.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:25 | 2143354 Fukushima Sam
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This country is fucked.  Crony capitalism and preferential government handouts now ensure that there is no level playing field for businesses.  The lack of fairly applied rule of law creates major uncertainty in any economic endeavor. The Feds are creating a business environment that is not navigable.

Innovation and entrepreneurial activity will flee the country, with what remains of capital close behind.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:36 | 2143394 Archon7
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Re: capital fleeing the country... I tried to explain this to someone who would charitably be described as liberal, and they honestly, sincerely could not understand how capital could flee the country without the government somehow "getting their share" in the process.  They were adamant that the government has a tax structure in place that would capture capital either as it's fleeing, or after it's fled since the Feds can tax people even if they're not living here or doing business here.  This belief startled me a bit, since this was an "educated" person who whines about how jobs are lost by outsourcing offshore, so it didn't make much sense to me that they simply couldn't wrap their mind around the fact that capital follows the jobs.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:46 | 2143427 Xkwisetly Paneful
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CALPERS and the rest are still using 8% actuarial assumptions for year over year growth.

Despite being adult aged supposedly professional money managers pointing the fingers at everyone besides themselves as evidenced by the lawsuits et al-who will they point to for still using ridiculous assumptions in their models?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:06 | 2143508 Archon7
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8% growth?   Hahahaha...  I was about to say they learned it from the Feds, but even the Feds aren't that optimistic.  8% means they took a double-dose of the blue pill.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:09 | 2143521 smb12321
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It's not sexy but the CALPERS mess is a huge story,. Like most funds, it was foolishly set up with expectations of 7-8% annual return (7.75%).    CALPERS website states they have "averaged" 7.5% over 20 years including 7.9% in 2011.  yet the LA Times reports that in 2011 they earned 1.1%  Cal Watch reports that of 2/3/12, CALPERS was $56 billion short of where it should be.  Obviously the zero interest rate for eternity does not bode well for those with fixed assets.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 18:50 | 2171706 DachsieLady
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Just for a few more laughs...

Texas Teacher Retirement System also assumes an 8% growth rate in the fund.  They reprort in November of 2010 that "the fund is expected to remain solvent until 2072".

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:45 | 2143844 Common_Cents22
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I wonder how many private airplane charters are hauling out cash, diamonds and gold out of the country.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:25 | 2143963 Gromit
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No capital controls so long as more comes in than goes out.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:51 | 2143440 Ruffcut
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Fuck Cali, they are all things amerika, with hollywood shit like "biggest loser". Nothing like watching two fucking hours of people that can't handle or deal with "their" fat asses.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:03 | 2143181 LawsofPhysics
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Already pointed out by several, so yes.  I wonder how those states that are hurting, yet providing power to californians feel about all this?  Would be cool to see Arizona/Nevada shut the fucking power down.  Where's their bailout?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:04 | 2143244 earleflorida
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they're not the 8th largest economy in the world

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:17 | 2143305 LawsofPhysics
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And what is California's Debt again?  LOL, here let me fix that for you "they're not the 8th largest ponzi in the world"-fixed.

Supply lines can really be a bitch in the real world, but more to the point, one insolvent entity bailing out another, yeah, I am sure that will end well.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:33 | 2143380 JLee2027
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Apparently it can continue in new and creative ways for years like it has been.


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:52 | 2143859 Rainman
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Never knew a single liberal who wanted to understand math...never ! They understand taxes though.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 21:59 | 2144388 earleflorida
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if it's any consolation  - i meant they're the 8th largest econ in world 

naught "NOT"

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:22 | 2143341 stocktivity
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My wife and I did without for many decades, Paid off our mortgage on time every month, put 2 kids through college (ok with some loans on their part but we still struggled) and what do we get???? #%&* politicians in this country!!!! This idiot will get re-elected since republicans are offering no competition. My grandparents and parents generation has to be rolling over in their grave what this country has turned into. They worked so hard to make this country the greatest in the world. Sickening what's happened with Obama, Timmy, and Benny!!!!!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:44 | 2144021 ilovefreedom
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They're rolling around in their social security and pensions.

Both are a myth from a time long ago that my generation will never get.

SS will go negative for the first time this year, anywhere from $50 - 250B (depending on unrealistic employment #s and unrealistic trust ROI #s)---- No big deal.

Your kid's kid's will still be paying for your parent's SS.  

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:10 | 2143524 lunaticfringe
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You people still comment as though your opinion matters. The government doesn't give a fuck what you think. They simply do as they wish. Once you understand that, everything will be fine.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:00 | 2143882 eatthebanksters
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California has 55 electoral votes!  If Obama ends up behind in the polls, don't be surprised to see him start literally handing out cash to buy more votes...whenthe population figures out what he's doing, it's going to backfire (like any deal betweenthe EU and Greece)...when he bribes one group the other losers will stick their handsout an say,"Where's mine asshole."

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:50 | 2143182 Burr's 2nd Shot
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Shadow bailouts are the ones that occur right in front of your eyes, correct?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:06 | 2143265 Troll Magnet
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yeah, but no one notices because they're all watching TV.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:24 | 2143349 dontgoforit
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no one notices because they feel completely disconnected and ineffectual, kinda like a bad dog with no balls...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:24 | 2143351 dontgoforit
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no one notices because they feel completely disconnected and ineffectual, kinda like a bad dog with no balls...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:05 | 2143898 eatthebanksters
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Actually they are playing on their ipads purchased with government assistance while eating cheetos and ice cream bought with food stamps while waiting for a phone call on their government paid for cell phones while sitting in their Section 8 rent subsidized apartment waiting for the cable guy to fix their cable TV which they get at below market cost because they are out of a job. Yes really!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:53 | 2143183 GeneMarchbanks
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A little QE for votes exchange never hurt anyone. The next shot will have to come from Shalom as MBS mopping is long overdue.

BTW why no mention of this?

Fed moves in lockstep with BoE see overlay.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:50 | 2143185 maxmad
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Let Cali go down!!!!!!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:07 | 2143269 Troll Magnet
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i live in cali and i agree!  fuck this welfare state!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:16 | 2143311 xela2200
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Let it go down? Is there any other option in the long run?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:36 | 2143812 Troll Magnet
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debt or earthquake.  one will bite california before the other.  shit.  that reminds me.  i need to switch jobs and move OUT of this fucking hell hole.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:11 | 2143529 Sequitur
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I live in California. You know what? FUCK California. Sick of these mother fucking knownothings who spent $750k on overpriced stucco boxes, and now these dopes have the temerity to complain about debt and being underwater on shit property.

If you live in another state and hate California because of this bullshit bailout -- believe me, there are many in California who are with you.

Only a matter of time before this bullshit state needs to once again issue IOUs to businesses and taxpayers because California is bankrupt and can't add the asset and liability sides of the ledger.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:27 | 2143590 Jena
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Count me in.  It's the only way to stop the madness.  (Oh yeah, I live in Ca, too.)

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:46 | 2143845 kalasend
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I live in CA and I'd say to those who bought houses that they weren't meant to able to afford: may God fuck you all

There's no victim here, only whiners who just can't let go of the good years and think house price appreciation is an entitlement. Let them go down. Let them learn what it means to enter the market.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 22:20 | 2144424 Rearranging Dec...
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Also live in Cali am sick of the bs. Balancing a budget is simple math not multi variable calculus.

Saw a fox news investigation that made me so mad last night. Some woman had filed 132 claims for hit and run and Medi-cal idiots paid out 250k in claims and then she somehow used the invoices to get her supplementary insurance to pay her 90k in total.

The odds of having 2 hit and runs is tiny. The odds that someone is hit and run 132 times in a couple of years is nil. F-ing morons in Medi-cal couldn't figure it out in the first 25 claims in a row.?

Couldn't find a video posted online. Will share if I find it soon. Will make your blood boil at the level of waste fraud and government incompetence.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:51 | 2143189 Stoploss
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Guess who the largest shareholder of face book want's to be?  By all means, GO ALL IN!!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:16 | 2143548 smb12321
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But who did you expect to be initial shareholders - Ma & Pa Kettle from Backwoods, KY.  Large firms get an advantage because they provide the seed money and help for start-up businesses.  The concern can always choose to repay the money but almost all agree to either a share of the profits or first dibs on shares.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:52 | 2143190 ghostfaceinvestah
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I have to disagree with you on this, TD, most of that cash will never be seen by anyone.  It is almost all "soft credits" - i.e. if the servicer reduces the interest rate on a mortgage from 7% to 4%, the lost interest will be counted against the deal.

Of course, as you pointed out, the borrower WAS paying nothing, so this will actually take money out of pockets.

Plus house prices will decline which will put even more borrowers into distress.

The short term money may help California, but the medium term consequences (i.e. consequences that will become evident by this summer) will definitely not help California or any other state.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:21 | 2143331 Hansel
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Seconded, the hard cash component of the settlement earmarked for states is $3.5 billion, and that is to be split by all states.

The remaining $3.5 billion of the $5 billion payment will go to state and federal governments to be used to repay public funds lost as a result of servicer misconduct and to fund housing counselors, legal aid and other similar public programs determined by the state attorneys general. 

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:54 | 2143197 YesWeKahn
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Don't question too much, you would a terrorist.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:16 | 2143314 Silver Dreamer
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I hate to break it to you, but posting on here makes you one by default.  The government can call us terrorists, but history will have us remembered as patriots instead.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:23 | 2143348 LFMayor
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Get out and buy some gats if you don't have any yet.  Join us. 

We are Legion. 

We are Mighty.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:17 | 2143552 stirners_ghost
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What a stupid ideal.

Call a patriot what he really is: a pretentious ultranationalist. If you think that label connotes libertarian values, you have been seriously mindfucked along with the rest of the plebes.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:55 | 2143199 acompletedouche
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Cali could easily issue debt if they wanted to.With yields so low they are still not issuing anything to speak of.If they were in serious trouble they would be issing a crapload right now.

Zero sledge is running out of topics.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:57 | 2143213 GeneMarchbanks
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You're acompletedouche. Kudos.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:03 | 2143237 acompletedouche
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Yes I am,I try my best

I hope the bears are going to be right about something soon.Let's face it,they have been wrong about everything else so far.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:06 | 2143266 slewie the pi-rat
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after 13+ weeks and 7 posts, we had hoped you would be doing a bit better, frankly

i guess even the most misguided shithetforbrained moron will stand out a porch for 3 days, too, eh? 

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:10 | 2143286 tarsubil
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Ha, he down voted you and up voted himself. Take that!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:13 | 2143298 slewie the pi-rat
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well, maybe there's hope, then!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:24 | 2143352 LFMayor
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LOL at least he knows how to fight dirty and cook the books, too!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:31 | 2143603 Jena
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His former position was CFO at Diamond Foods?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:59 | 2143218 Buckaroo Banzai
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California can try to issue all the debt it wants, but who is stupid enough to buy it?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:15 | 2143309 LawsofPhysics
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The Fed.  Been a "one world" economy for quite some time really.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:27 | 2143362 dontgoforit
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the greeks!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:00 | 2143227 Eisenhorn
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Who would buy the debt??  Seriously, who?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:07 | 2143270 tarsubil
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MF Global.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:10 | 2143912 eatthebanksters
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but only with other people's money...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:24 | 2143291 slewie the pi-rat
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here is guy who has a dozen posts in 6 weeks!

he sure sounds like he's gonna be a big asset here, too, doesn't he?

State of California Debt Clock

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:32 | 2143379 Eisenhorn
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What does post count have to do with anything? 

And would YOU buy California debt?

If you are wondering, the sane answer is no.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:03 | 2143696 slewie the pi-rat
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A:  posting tends to indicate that people are following the dialogues, here, and are (more) involved with some of the thought and even critical thinking

or, you can just ask a buncha questions and pretend they're either too tough for you, or that you "already" know the answer, so you can go "rhetorical" at will? 


here:  two more questions!  and one "sane" answer, too! 

but now, you are, for some reason, addressing me, so i'll play along and pretend to answer these troll-like 'questions', ok?

1) already answered

2) no, i wouldn't buy CA debt;  but IF you understand what this means:  but i wouldn't buy tampons, either then perhaps you can undertand that altho nothing is for everyone, there is over $361 Bil of CA debt outstanding, and "somebody" owns every fuking penny of it.  trust me

3) some may even be "sane", too!  who knows?  but, these IOU-contracts are "interest bearing" and people DO buy them.  i could ask you, but i'll save time and just tell you:  that isn't my fault!  i didn't do that! 

  • b4 you try to take me on about a fact, again, please look at what you first "wrote" 
  • and now consider that you appear to be wondering if i understand that you are "sane" or wondering if i'm wondering, or...something
  • so, i need to ask you:  are you at some level aware, yet, that you may not be?  (sane)
  • if yer mom hasn't got dinner ready, yet, take a minute to also consider that some buyers might also go for "return" with these (+ a credit default swap?), b/c w/the 10-year Treasury paying 2%, maybe cali has a few things going for it besides sunshine and radioactivity...
Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:36 | 2143393 JLee2027
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1 in 9.5 in California on food stamps.

That's good. The coming riot crowd grows bigger every day.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:06 | 2143709 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, J_Lee!

thank you for actually looking at the link! 

that grabbed me a little, too!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:39 | 2143827 Troll Magnet
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the coming riot crowd?  dude, all it takes is for the lakers or the raiders to win and believe me, all the cockroaches will crawl out of their shithole and burn some shit down.  that's just how we roll here in southern california.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:58 | 2143877 slewie the pi-rat
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if you want to talk about the coming riot crowd, try replying to J_Lee, but thanks for all the intel about the cockroaches!


Fri, 02/10/2012 - 01:51 | 2144872 Big Slick
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"The coming riot crowd grows bigger every day."

As the frmr. governor would say:  "All dey want is food for God's sake."


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:25 | 2143353 derek_vineyard
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munis are on a tear......including cal and ill

why?  kool aid consumption has doubled

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:56 | 2143205 CvlDobd
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Anyone know a good lender? I want to leverage up on PCK.

Can't lose.

Sarc off/

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:59 | 2143219 Archon7
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The notion that California will use the money to pay down the debt is amusing, although I suppose if by "debt" you also include their unfunded liabilities like pensions and social programs, then yes, it will be used to "pay the debt".  California can no more control their spending than a child with a sweet tooth can control his candy consumption.   They will see this a short-term reprieve from their fiscal obligations, not as an opportunity to fix things.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:10 | 2143285 earleflorida
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give gov. brown some time,... the man is brilliant, and, a realist!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:42 | 2143417 Archon7
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HAHAhaha...  you're referring to "Governor Moonbeam" as a realist?  You just made my morning, thanks for that.


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:42 | 2143836 Troll Magnet
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yeah, that corrupt fucker who passed on creating a state bank because wall street served us so well!  

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:13 | 2143922 eatthebanksters
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Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:38 | 2143620 Jena
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Oh hell no, they plan to plough it into teachers, public safety and prison salaries and pensions.

There's a columnist at the Sacramento Bee who has been covering the Capitol forever, it seems.  I don't know how the man does it but if I were him I'd be dead drunk most of the time.  I've been reading him for about 15 years, first when I lived in Sacramento, later via a local paper and the Internet.  His name is Dan Walters and here's his latest column:

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 15:59 | 2143222 Eisenhorn
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Unrelated, but I am curious.....who or what is ABC Media, LTD?


"Copyright ©2009-2012 Media, LTD."

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:13 | 2143275 Temporis
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Good question... I never noticed that before.

When did ABC Media become affiliated with ZeroHedge?


This must be recent... Last internet archive capture does not show the link...

July 23rd 2011


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:09 | 2143281 tarsubil
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Looks like they are a marketing firm in London.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:20 | 2143317 Gief Gold Plox
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Registar entry "This site is currently being updates" is the only message on that address.

Domain Name..........
Creation Date........ 2002-08-15
Registration Date.... 2002-08-15
Expiry Date.......... 2012-08-15
Organisation Name.... ABC Media
Organisation Address. PO Box 61359
Organisation Address. Sunnyvale
Organisation Address. 94088
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. US

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:32 | 2143355 Gief Gold Plox
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More from

ABC Media Ltd P.O.

Box 814 Sofia, Sofia 1000 BG

Domain name: ZEROHEDGE.COM


Seems to be Tyler's company.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:35 | 2143389 Eisenhorn
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lol did someone really -1 me for asking who ABC Media is?  That's funny.

Probably that slewie reject who wants to buy cal munis.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:32 | 2143804 slewie the pi-rat
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no, i didn't junk you at all, but have actually tried to communicate w/ you

you seem to not understand much of anything except how to ask "innocent questions" which many here would find quite "numbskull"

for example, if i wondered who ABC media is, i would try to find out, myself, and so would many here, altho as we see, some also think that you have (finally) asked a "good" question

not me, tho! 

people can see what you're doing, here

it's not complex and you're way less clever than others who have flamed out horribly, trying the same bullshit

as i tried to say, already, if you spend some more time and effort here, you might do better and undertand the dynamics a bit more


  • Who would buy the debt??  Seriously, who? and
  • What does post count have to do with anything? 
  • And would YOU buy California debt? and
  • Unrelated, but I am curious.....who or what is ABC Media, LTD? and
  • lol did someone really -1 me for asking who ABC Media is?

if you choose to ignore what i'm trying to say to you, i won't be surprised

but, if you just wanna have a day of fun on zH by posting this non-stop drivel here on: Is The Foreclosure Settlement A Shadow Bailout For Broke California  that's sure up 2u! 

you might be surprized at how much people here know about mental health, trolls, and people who can't think straight, but...probaly not, tho... 

sad, but true...

i don't think channeling ori is gonna do too much at this point, either, btw..., but it is very interesting behavior to many who enjoy this site, i would think...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:10 | 2143430 cramers_tears
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ABC Media, LTD is the Registrant for   Wikileaks has got nothin' on Zerohedge.  Hosting in Switzerland, Registrant in Bulgaria.  You'll need the cooperation of the "Informationsdienst des Bundes", "Darzhavna Sigurnost" and KGB to get close to TD and the ZH Boys.  Domain Information About:   Domain:   Our Estimate Value: $783,242 USD and makes $1,108 USD a day   Estimate Visits Per Day: 347,123 visualize this number!   Hosting Location: in Switzerland   Website IP:   Website Organization: OrtCloud GmbH Website ISP: Nine Internet Solutions AG    Alexa Rank: #1,976 visit alexa   Google Pagerank:   6   GEO Location Of Server:   Switzerland  Whois Report  Registrant: ABC Media Ltd    P.O. Box 814    Sofia, Sofia 1000    BG   Domain name: ZEROHEDGE.COM   Administrative & Technical Contact:   Hristozov, Georgi   P.O. Box 814   Sofia, Sofia 1000   BG   +359 2 8651213    Registrar of Record: easyDNS Technologies, Inc.    Record last updated on 26-Aug-2011.    Record expires on 11-Jan-2017.    Record created on 11-Jan-2009.    Domain servers in listed order:    DNS1.EASYDNS.COM   DNS4.EASYDNS.INFO    DNS2.EASYDNS.NET   DNS3.EASYDNS.ORG    Domain status: clientTransferProhibited clientUpdateProhibited

The ferry Oryahovo- Beckett, crossing the Danube, is one of the main transport corridors from Bulgaria to Romania. This is the most direct route from Sofia to Râmnicu Vâlcea, Romania, Ukraine and other countries.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:00 | 2143224 pragmatic hobo
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silli me ... I thought FB IPO was scam to bailout CA.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:02 | 2143231 earleflorida
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guess what? WF [Wachovia] will join BAC and then there will be two, making for a competitive market. next will come others jumping in - it's a long overdue catalyst that can't get worse but only better


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:02 | 2143235 bankonzhongguo
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Look for Kamala Harris (CA-AG) to be standing side by side with Obama and Holder on this year's Christmas card.

Another corporate slag doing G_d's work.

Maybe she can now go work for the Fed in "consumer protection."



Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:02 | 2143238 slewie the pi-rat
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wait till we build a new "bulletTrain" which will be almost as fast as driving!


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:20 | 2143328 rosiescenario
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..we'll be using Chinese know how and equipment for it....

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:41 | 2143627 Jena
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You have a desire to rapidly travel from Bakersfield to Fresno?  Or the reverse?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:53 | 2143856 slewie the pi-rat
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L0L!!!  no! 

i didn't vote for it!

i'll ride my bike!

but guvernatorMoonbean is now claiming this is the answer to JOBS in california!  have you not heard?  the entire state economy and the future of cali now depend on this styooopid fuking train!

wtf, if tyler is right and the tribute keeps flowing from Dem2Dem, maybe it is better than building more prisons and training more screws

'hi-speed' rail along the fault lines between SF and Tijuana!  yeah!  that's the ticket!

CA's very own version of the bigDigTM

i could do the ad campaign:  5X as expensive as flying or driving, with none of the advantages!

just kidding.  you could get off in bakersfield or freno!  without a parachute, of course...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:12 | 2143920 Jena
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Since everything is backward here, I think you could do a full ad campaign with that name and it'd succeed, Slewie.  (Few here would know to what you're referring.)


The Bold is stuck and it won't come off, dammit... Does this post make me look emphatic?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:28 | 2143977 eatthebanksters
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it becomes you   ;-)

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:32 | 2143986 Jena
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Why, thank you, very kind of you to say. 


I just realized, when I said "here", I didn't mean ZH.  I meant California.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:09 | 2143277 Dermasolarapate...
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Money supply expanding exponentially now to fund this Bailout.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:17 | 2143316 earleflorida
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ya know,... 2013 isn't that far off, and when the fed begins to tighten --- presto, you'll see the deficit shrink and america's balance sheet get a whole-lot-healthier --- just think about it


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:09 | 2143278 Archon7
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Here's a recent study on how government land-use policy drives up real estate prices, in support of the author's argument...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:13 | 2143295 Silver Dreamer
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I'm confident that electoral votes had nothing to do with this decision.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:16 | 2143308 vs an army all alone
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Always sunny in CA!


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:41 | 2143312 Zero Govt
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Is The Foreclosure Settlement A Shadow Bailout For Broke California

Well someone's gotta bailout the Progressives (suicide socialist suckers).. it's only the 2nd time they've bankrupted CA (and America in general)

Tiny Tim said it (Euro-crumble) couldn't possibly happen in the Land of Apple Pie, even though any 9 year old with a crayon on the back of an envelope can work out the debt levels are easily on par State-by-State to the Eurozones crumbling Commies

The United States of Zombies very similar to the United Zombies of Europe

just don't mention Iceland ...perish the thought someone, anyone in the West, has a sound idea

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:17 | 2143315 Bunga Bunga
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4 bln translates into 8 million iPaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaads, L.A. alone.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:18 | 2143324 SemperFord
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What's crazy is that even this author keeps blaming the homeowners, dude, the majority of those that took out over their head loans have been foreclosed on. One thing he is right on is jobs and that's why foreclosures or squatters are still there because even those that bought homes they could afford have taken pay cuts or have los their job.

I don't think this mess will be fixed until there is a collapse but Greece just won't collapse and it's been years so we might have decades to go!!!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:22 | 2143329 Dasa Slooofoot
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"Why should a taxpayer in Houston or Wichita bail out irresponsible California homeowners, banks and the state’s public employees’ retirement fund?"


Doesn't the robo-signing settlement hit investors of MBSs (in a transfer to the banks) hard, i.e. CALPERS? 

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:39 | 2143369 Zero Govt
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same debate in Europe (er, well Germany to be precise) ...why should the productive bailout the losers? Who agreed to socialism when socialism is a patent failure throughout history

like the European 'Union' is under stress the 'United' States of America is about to crack apart too (see the least delusional/indebted US States ramping up designs for their own currencies)

Can you hear the Divison Bell ?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:21 | 2143333 Jean
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Which Federal court gets to review this and who has standing to appeal?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:23 | 2143347 vs an army all alone
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Prob the one in NY. The one with the 99% conviction rate!



Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:26 | 2143359 Jean
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Since the swaps were basically tax fraud, why isn't this under the tax court's purview?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:26 | 2143360 Jean
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Since the swaps were basically tax fraud, why isn't this under the tax court's purview?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:27 | 2143363 Seasmoke
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of course it is.......What can BROWN do for you ?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:27 | 2143365 tahoebumsmith
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California owes Wall St. about $ 18 billion dollars from the past 3 budget deficits... That's right, about 18 BILLION they got from Morgan Stanley, Goldmen Sachs and all the other FED funded Cronies. Everytime John Chiang comes out of his office crying poor, they send him a check to shut him up. The great USA can't have their largest GDP contributor going up in smoke now can they. Fact of the matter is California is the 7th largest economy in the world and if they default, this would show the true state of the rest of the Nation. So instead of taking the bull by the horns and trimming the unrealistic entitlement fat in California, they continue to kick the can and bury themselves into debt and sell themselves to the devil. This is what free money gets you, borrowed time and a bigger problem down the road when it's payback time. California is now owned, their GDP continues to plummet at a time when their spending is increasing due to promises made decades ago. More and more businesses and families are packing up and leaving the State which will only throw accelerant on the fire as the revenue will continue to decrease at the time more money is needed to payback these debts. California is toast, forget about Greece, they are just chump change. I see it collapsing around me everyday, even a blindman can smell it in the air. Everybody with the same story, what they use to have and now most don't even have two dimes to rub together... I'm not going to burn in hell with the devil, the tent stakes are pulled up and I'm out of here before I start sounding like the rest of the pre-fabricated wanna-bes in this engineered society of serfs...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:36 | 2143996 eatthebanksters
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tahoebumsmith, I applaud you...very well said.  Your name implies that you are retired in Tahoe...smith = job, bum = no job or ass, tahoe = tahoe....the long and short it implies you are sitting on your ass in tahoe...but your writings show that you are not a jobless tard but in fact an educated person and since living in Tahoe is expensive (I know, I lived there for 10 years) I figured you to be retired.  North shore, west shore, Incline or south maybe Truckee.  Or am I completely wrong.   Just curious...

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:36 | 2143395 Joebloinvestor
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The settlement also comes with no admission of miss deeds or activities.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:38 | 2143398 SimpleandConfused
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Every time you read a story about some country or some state going broke, just try and recall this event.

It is never different.  There will be no failures.  The problem is money and there is never "not" money.

This is no where close to ending.  Same thing and different day.  CA will be fine and if we can all learn the new order, we will be fine.  Never pay a debt owed a bank.  Never live within your means, always aquire on credit.

Life will be good and it will be supported on the backs of those ignorant enough to continue to produce in excess of their consumption.  I used to think those were good people but BHO has taught me what he taught those communities he organized.

Those people are chumps.  Use them up and throw them away.  They seem to enjoy it.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:41 | 2143414 PicassoInActions
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so far i see people here are screaming - Let Geece down, Let france down, Let cali down, let NY down, let everything down.

i wonder where are all the readers are from? some redneck states that voted for That religious freake Santorum?

Damn, does any71 really thinks that if cali will go down other states (including redneck or biblebelt states) won't get effected?



Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:55 | 2143462 Eisenhorn
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Of course the other states will hurt. But for alot of people it is now about making the folks who got us here suffer.  For many, who have lost so much, they want some justice....and by justice I mean vengeance.

Many are willing to suffer to get that, and the fall from 35K/year and an underwater mortgage hurts alot less than the fall from a 5th Avenue apartment.

Rationality is the first victim.

No pain, No gain.


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:04 | 2143499 PicassoInActions
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"Many are willing to suffer to get that"

yeah right, on the paper, the moment the shit hit the wall it will be all different.

WHile i am pist at those who made wrong moves i realize that till we stabilize them we are fucked, like it or not.

Houses around me are going left and right into the shithole and unless they are stabilized my house that i am still paying will go into the toillete too.


We gotta do what we gotta do, regardless of the morals. Morals are crooked politicians. For us reality is the morality.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:41 | 2143629 Eisenhorn
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Not saying you are right or wrong.

In fact, I think right and wrong have been "Officially" sidelined.....pun intended.

We are entering the irrational period wherein the wounded beast lashes out in anger and fear at those who wounded it.

The question is, can they subdue it before it kills them?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:37 | 2144001 eatthebanksters
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Picasso, are you the one withthe Ipad and the cheeos I wrote about earlier?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:58 | 2143470 LFMayor
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dumbass, who do you think is going to win when we play Rednex vs. Metrosekshuls? 

Of course us rednecks are cheering for it.  Its a fucking rigged game, it's not worth playing.

I predict that if you're a lard ass, we'll make soap and candles out of you.  But if you're one of those scrawny 120lb vegan types, we'll just make a Planet of the Apes-esque lawn ornament to help keep starlings out of the strawberry patch.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:09 | 2143520 PicassoInActions
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"Of course us rednecks are cheering for it"

that's the only thing you can do. live in your imaginary illusion as much as you want but at the end reality will settle down.

Viva Jesus, at least one normal jew who never worked. 

Good thing he managed to sell his lsd illusions to others , so we can easily control and manipulate them.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:53 | 2143662 LFMayor
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you want some reality?  this next sunday, about 10:00, walk into the nearest Cuban Catholic church down there and let some of that same shit run out of your mouth and down your chin.

Or roll your Prius up to the north end of the state and give some stump speeches on how you hate rednecks.  Trailer parks would be a good starting venue I think.

we can put a "darwin fish" bumper sticker on your fucking vent for you later that day.


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:41 | 2144014 eatthebanksters
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Intersting Picasso...your early posts indicated you were a liberal and there is nothing wrong with having an opposing viewpoint.  You have shown yourself to be prone to emotional outbursts which indiates anger within.  And now, by attacking Jews, you have shown your true colors.  You are a bigot and bigots deserve no creedance or time...go away while you still can.  BTW, I am a Christian, I am not a redneck and I am not a bigot.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:18 | 2143557 NotApplicable
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Do you really think these states can be held up? Are you from one of those libtard states that elects moon-beam freaks?

Unless scarcity has been effectively outlawed, I don't see any political solutions doing anything other than making it all worse tomorrow. That you'd make the argument without actually making an argument does well to demonstrate the impossibility of your task.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:29 | 2143595 PicassoInActions
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i am from south florida

it's already bad enough here.

But the last thing we need is a complete crash. No1 will be safe, even those who manage to hide few bullions under their mattresses.


Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:42 | 2143416 Lost Wages
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So now we're going to talk about imprudent Californians the way Europe talks about those shifty Greeks? Whatever. *yawn*

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:52 | 2143448 Gold N Glocks
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I live Kalifornia and think this whole thing sucks!  Screw the banks.  Screw the bailouts.  Let this damn State fail already.  About the only way I know to finally clear out some of the deadwood so we can do what needs doing.  Get rid of the Kenyan Black lovers, wetbacks and all the other parasites.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 16:58 | 2143473 Dr.Vannostrand
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And that is coming from a California half wetback.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:18 | 2143559 FEARTHESHARK

So, how are things in Bakersfield?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:45 | 2144020 eatthebanksters
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GNG, all is good except for the bigotry.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 21:43 | 2144346 Gold N Glocks
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Change the offending remarks to read Obama drones, illegal aliens and militant members of public employee unions.



Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:16 | 2143550 FEARTHESHARK

"Why should a taxpayer in Houston or Wichita bail out irresponsible California homeowners, banks and the state’s public employees’ retirement fund?"

Hey, as a Californian, I'd be more than happy to forego this "bail out" just as soon as Californians stop subsidizing all the backwater red states by paying far more in Federal taxes than what we get back.  Oh, and by producing the people and minds that supply the rest of you with all your television shows, movies, music, and iPods....

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:36 | 2143617 PicassoInActions
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+1, totaly agree.

Most of biblebelt states don't produce a shit and gave away all their jobs to china and now leaving on welfare . There are only few handfull states in US that keeps the economy going and cali with all their problems are the one of them. Still 8th economy in the world, regardless how its interpret.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:52 | 2143668 LFMayor
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yeah, corn and soybeans, beef cattle and hogs all grow like weeds in south florida.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:33 | 2143805 PicassoInActions
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weed is good in SF, and while we don't produce much except illegal immigrants we have the weather... 

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 22:34 | 2144452 RSloane
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Did we forget to say thank you for 'Dancing With the Stars'?

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 17:33 | 2143608 Dkizzle49855
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I currently reside in this shit hole of a state and I'm one of the dumb MF'ers who has been prudent and didn't buy a overpriced house, RV, ATV's etc, paid my bills on time and this is what I get for it.  I swear one day my head is going to fucking explode from all the crime, fraud and corruption I read about on a daily basis at ZH.  ARGH!!!!

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 19:01 | 2143887 kalasend
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I hear you. Risked a divorce but insisted not to buy. Thought our turn couldn't be away for long. And then it's bailout after bailout. Like I said, there's never been victims. All those retards had their time of life when house prices went through the roof. You can literally see it: brand new European imports on the roads, 60"+ in Best-Buys, Fry's, giant ass shiny grills at Home Depot.....every-fucking-body knows where everybody else's money come from. What the fuck did these stressed home owners feel in those years?

And people like me sounded like idiot, if not ridiculed in the face. Fuck this shit. If there's a day of grand reckoning for this state, or country I wish I'm still alive that day. Fucking wrong. Just fucking wrong

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:50 | 2143855 Common_Cents22
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Wow this really smells.

Robo signing claims are $2000 per homeowner.  (getting banks out of massive liability)

Homeowner cannot apply for help, the bank has to find YOU. ( who thought of that one?) 

they state the fund will be granted to states to do whatever. (funneling money to CA)

Again, its about government and big bank crony control.

the homeowner gets screwed.


this isn't anything different than the tobacco settlement.  Government gets billions, lawyers get billions.  Taxpayer gets nothing but higher cigarette prices.    Government is the mafia.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 18:59 | 2143879 PoliticalRefuge...
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 As you can tell by my screen name altho now living in Arizona nearly ten years now I still consider myself a political refugee from decades working behind the fruit curtain.

  I grew up there in the 60's and it was really a garden of eden until the nineties... then all hell broke loose..

 The recall of Gray Davis was supposed to usher in a new era of responsibility but what we got was eight years of regulatory laden incompetence the likes never before seen in America, now I wonder what shoe is left that will drop and finally put the bitch out of it's misery... sadly my pension will become collateral damage in the shake up that is sure to come... not if.. when.

 Living here means at least I will not have to put up with the stench of liberalism- nor pay my electric bill either I suppose once I get that letter from John Chiang telling me.. " no tickee- no washee" haha..

 Hey.. the problem is not the people, it's how the tail of Gangland and FagCity (soon to have a bullet train connecting them) wags the dog and thereby runs the state, Californians once you get away from the liberal blight has pretty responsible and conservative people for the most part... statist inspired gerrymandering has truly wrought hell on earth.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 20:33 | 2144151 Westcoastliberal
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I for one Californian, am stunned that this deal actually has gone down with CA & NY as participants.  At this moment I'm very disappointed in Kamala Harris in not looking out for our interests.  Being a non-judicial state, the Banksters easily duped the courts into the theft of literally tens of thousands of homes they had no legal standing to foreclose upon.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 22:13 | 2144398 dolph9
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California is filled with Mexicans and Asians who exist in a sort of underground economy and don't pay as much taxes as they should.  Not to mention the braindead SWPLs and Jews who invite their own destruction by "tolerance" and electing people who transfer all of their money to blacks in the Southern states and the dying industrial cities in the Midwest.

The whole thing is a fucking disaster.  Can't say that I blame the Mexicans or Asians.  Do any of you have confidence in this country?  If you don't have confidence, public investment and trust goes down, for good reason.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 01:00 | 2144805 boogerbently
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All $4B in Ca went directly to the "re-elct Obama" organizers for fair distribution.

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