Foreigners Dump $74 Billion In Treasurys In 6 Consecutive Weeks: Biggest Sequential Outflow In History

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:17 | 1771453 CClarity
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Uh-oh.  What if the black swan is not the well telegraphed EU crisis.

What if it's Asia.  Where China's growth is slowing (imports and exports less already) and then BANG - flooding in Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines which are less able to afford natural disasters (or man-made ones) than Japan, and very dependent on their wagon being hitched to China's growth machine.  Just sayin . . . 

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:20 | 1771462 tim73
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Real floods in Asia cause liquidity crisis in the US and EU. That is poetic.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:32 | 1771508 CClarity
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Nice connect!

Ala "Let them eat rice CAKE" even though rice crop is being wiped out.  Who will rally?  India? Russia short on grains. Japan can't help.  Australia? Maybe.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:59 | 1771604 Threeggg
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"Let them eat plastic rice CAKE"


There..............fixed it for're welcome

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:44 | 1771902 DCFusor
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A black swan, by definition, isn't well telegraphed, it's what you never thought could happen.  No matter how bad Yurp gets, we know where it's going - so it can't be a black swan, just a really nasty normal swan.

Whether your other senario is the one, I couldn't say.  Possible.  It's prudent to plan for the unexpected.

It's mostly whiney losers who say things like "well, can't pay the rent because the car unexpectedly broke down, or the kid got sick".  Shit happens, all the time, and to everyone.  It's calling yourself stupid to say you don't know that and didn't plan for a little bit of shit to happen.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:32 | 1772404 Prometheus418
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As usual, you're mostly right, DC- 

I'm only replying to remind you not to harden your heart entirely.  While it's easy to sit up on the top of a hill and cast down your judgement, it's important to remember that breaking the bias you have been imbued with since birth is not something that most people can do- and even those of us that do it are left with remnants.

Some things just can't be planned for, and I suspect you know this.  That is where compassion, rather than a fist, is called for.  If we forget that, there isn't anything worth fighting for.  I spend a lot of my time these days extending a friendly hand to those whose past behavior is objectively repugnant to me, in the hopes that they have seen the errors of their ways.   Sometimes that charity clamps down on me until teeth hit bone, but the times when it wakes up another soul makes those missteps worthwhile.

One good lieutenant is worth taking a beating from a whole pack of wolves for- it's worth nothing to live alone on a mountain of gold, and you know that.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 08:12 | 1772872 Snidley Whipsnae
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No good deed goes unpunished...

that is an old saw and a comment on human nature... just the way life usually turns out.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 08:34 | 1772923 Smiddywesson
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A black swan, by definition, isn't well telegraphed, it's what you never thought could happen.  No matter how bad Yurp gets, we know where it's going - so it can't be a black swan, just a really nasty normal swan.

No.  That's just theory.  Taleb himself admits that in practice there are always winners who saw it coming.   China dumping treasuries, gold rocketing to the moon, and the failure of the USD are black swans to most, and yet these events will not come as a surprise to anyone on this site.

You also might want to consider from your lofty perch that a lot of people who you call "whiny losers" are really victims of a society that educated them on the life of Harriet Tubman rather than provide them with any education on finance and money.  That goes for their parents too.  This society has done everything to impoverish them and despite working hard with two incomes a lot of people are living on the edge of survival.  Did they create inflation?  Did they bust the housing market?  Did they create the tax system, or the banking fees, or the hidden taxes on their cell phones?  How about health care, you know, the primary cause of bankruptcy? 

Putting moral labels on people for being unable to wisely handle money is like laughing at a little kid because he can't ride a bike.  Most people can't handle money wisely.  That's the way it is, that's the way it always has been.  People who do so think they are smarter or better than most, and maybe they are, but they should also consider that this moral labeling of the poor is a tool used by TPTB to coax useful idiots into supporting TPTB.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:21 | 1771464 donsluck
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Who is Jesus?

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:37 | 1771532 SemperFord
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Mexicans call him Chuy

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:33 | 1771715 Janice
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Jesus was the Jew who supported the Biblical teaching that the love of money is the root of all evil. If you consider this concept on a very deep level, I have found that it holds true for virtually every offense except crimes against persons, such as, rape. All other social injustices can be condensed to the love of money. Sorry folks, just a rant.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:45 | 1771763 kito
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So that's why gold is down as of now

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:55 | 1771784 ffart
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I thought it was the love of money for money's sake. 

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:00 | 1772167 delacroix
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the love of other peoples money

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 01:04 | 1772491 Bananamerican
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stomach-money-power-Power over another man's stomach...

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:07 | 1772047 Ahmeexnal
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money is the root of all evil

Francisco D'Anconia was wise in advising anyone who cared to learn from him to run away from fools like you.


Money is only a tool. It's POWER what's at the root.  And when money goes to zero, like it will in a few days time...power comes from the barrel of a gun.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:51 | 1772147 Dingleberry
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You're the fool. Big pharma doesn't push useless drugs for power. They do it for money. Lawyers don't oversharge their clients for power. They do it for money. Politicians don't take bribes for power. They do it for money. That's why when they leave governemnt they get money-making jobs afterwards. Pimps don't beat their whores for power. They do it for money. Lloyd, jamie, et al don't lie, cheat and steal from each other and everyone else for power. They do it for money. Money equals power, but power doesn't always equal money. EVERYONE WANTS MONEY....just like God said they would.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:54 | 1772309 Phil Free
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Nay, is the same, for the money is traded for power.  More money = more power.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:15 | 1772368 Raymond Reason
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Jesus, who many of us believe is God, speaks in truths alone, and men have spent centuries uncovering the layers of truth embedded in his every utterance.  The "root of evil" being one.  Money, real money, in other words gold, silver, non-perishable or at least long-lasting commodities are a store of value, and this is where the evil starts.  Hunter-gatherers entered the agrarian age and had something to save, protect, guard, insure, loan, transport, tax, and on it goes.  Money is a Pandora's box.  

Not saying Jesus was against money or civilization...He readily acknowledged the world is, by design an evil place.     

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:44 | 1772439 AustriAnnie
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Money, arising in a world of scarce resources, as a way of working for/storing/and obtaining those resources voluntarily through exchange.

The other option being by force.

When force is used to obtain money or control money, it is not money that is evil.  It is the fact that force is being used to control (here's where the power comes in) resources.

The world is evil because resources are scarce.  The world would be all rainbows and unicorns if money were not necessary to signal the value of resources because resources were abundant and unlimited.  However, resources are not.  Prices signal the subjective valuations of individuals and therefore control allocation of resources.  If someone steals your food, food is not evil.  The person who stole it is.  If someone steals that with which you buy food, money, then money is not evil.  Money is just a substitute for resources.  Resources are not evil.  Evil actions arise when goods are stolen.  It is the thief who is evil.

Money is the power that signals value in a market.  If not for money, pure force would be the way resources are obtained.  Which is more evil, then?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 01:10 | 1772505 Bananamerican
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Jesus...readily acknowledged the world is, by design an evil place.

"love" of money, deceit, vanity, the 7 deadlies...all of it used to gain advantage in this world, this transitory Life which passes away...

A Christian was warned (before "Prosperity Evangelism" anyway) to "Keep your eyes on the Prize"...

"I am but a Stranger Here. Heaven is my home"

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:38 | 1772422 Prometheus418
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Power never comes from a barrel of a gun.

Power is what makes those whose lives are expendible to the powerful pick up those guns.  Power comes from the mind, and it's ability to influence others.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:01 | 1772040 Ahmeexnal
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Hey-Zeus == Choo Choo (from Top Cat).

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:52 | 1771586 Schmuck Raker
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What did he know?

When did he know it?!

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:36 | 1771724 DosZap
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Well he's either your Hispanic cook, or gardener, or your only ticket out of this world.

Take your choice.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:08 | 1772059 Ahmeexnal
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he should offer more virgins in the afterlife than the other dude

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:56 | 1772314 Phil Free
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My gardener? (Ok, 'landscaping guy'.)

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:12 | 1771430 jdelano
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Just so some other jackass doesn't get the chance to say it,


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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:58 | 1771597 jdelano
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Tee hee! That brings the count up to SIX idiots who were just dying to say it. So many of you abjectly uncreative herd-following ass hats, completely incapable of generating even so much as a single original thought--there you go zh, I've just discovered a fail-safe contrarian indicator : )

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:12 | 1771433 achmachat
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that is a lot of billions.
Wonder what it would look like in cash.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 20:45 | 1771903 SystemsGuy
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Imagine a twinkie. Now imagine a twinkie ten miles long, growing at the rate of 1 cubic mile every thirty days or so. T'is truly an enormous amount of oil-based cream filling.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 21:26 | 1771988 CrimsonAvenger
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I have GOT to remember not to come here when I've got the munchies.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 22:53 | 1772154 seek
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He got to me. I happened to be stopping by the store after reading this, and I indeed acquired the lucious, golden spongecakes.

Got to enjoy them before they're no longer available and the remaining stock is eaten by post-financial-apocalypse zombies.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 23:59 | 1772320 Phil Free
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Cue Carl Sagan from 'Cosmos', as he gestures at a star-filled night sky -- "..billy-ons and billy-ons.."

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 01:14 | 1772516 Bananamerican
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that was 1980 man...

"TRILL-ions of ephemeral bank notes Der-ifting through the interstellar gases"

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:12 | 1771434 Xibalba
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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:13 | 1771437 jdelano
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Too late

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 21:38 | 1772005 lano1106
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IMO, it could be bearish for equities. If the massive bond selloff is problematic for the US TPTB then they could create a beautifull flash crash in equities to shit scare investors back into the US T-bond safe heaven.


Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:54 | 1772471 Calmyourself
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umm, who are these investors and why are they so stupid?

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:12 | 1771436 I think I need ...
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Bond run bitchez

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:14 | 1771439 RobotTrader
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Then who is buying these Uncle Gorilla notes hand over fist, driving yields on the long end of the curve down to 50-year lows?

Must be Uncle Gorilla himself.

Don't they call that "cannibalisim"??


Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:29 | 1771497 nope-1004
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No, the correct name is Ponzinomics.  Liar Ben is head of the department.


Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:01 | 1772323 Phil Free
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Ponzinomics -- That's a good one.. Will have to remember.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 18:36 | 1771526 SheepDog-One
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Gee Robo maybe its like Ive been telling you for months replying to your wild-eyed posts about how great bonds are....when youre getting new credit cards to pay on your other maxed out ones, youre fucked.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 21:25 | 1771984 dark pools of soros
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not really..   he who spends the most wins,  not he who pays the most back -   eventually one oz of gold will pay off all your debts so why do you NOT want to spend as much fiat credit as possible??

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:02 | 1772327 Phil Free
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He who dies with the most toys wins.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 19:05 | 1771623 spinone
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Once the fed starts buying treasuries, it will have to buy them all.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 21:09 | 1771962 Peterpaul
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It is Ouroboros, chomping on his own tail...

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 00:05 | 1772334 Phil Free
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Also spelled -- Uroborus.  Add an E -- EUroborus?   ..... Co-incidence, or more?  You be the judge. 


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