Foreigners Dump Record Amount Of US Treasurys In Past Month

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Fri, 12/30/2011 - 08:35 | 2021226 Irelevant
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Fri, 12/30/2011 - 09:40 | 2021327 kaiten
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More like: QE3, bitchez!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 09:57 | 2021355 LawsofPhysics
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Wake the fuck up, QE has never stopped.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:02 | 2021365 kridkrid
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Bingo.  QE1 and QE2 are a lot like TARP.  It's the red herring about which people can focus their attention while the real work takes place.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:23 | 2021417 SheepDog-One
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Theyre done with 'QE', now they just have the spigot flowing full force all the time, UNLIMITED FED Euro swap line, therefore it HAS to be the same to Wall St and the banks. 

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:25 | 2021421 Snidley Whipsnae
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Right you are SD1... and the sheeple are told 'Use This Paper Or Else'!!!

Happy New Year

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:46 | 2021470 DaveyJones
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fools, it's obviously an act of terrorism

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 11:04 | 2021518 ratso
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Could it just be more repatriation of euros and profit taking??

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 12:11 | 2021710 VegasRage
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I can't help but think that the nearly $250 trillion in derivatives markets on the OCC's books are the new stealth QE instruments. 

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:51 | 2021482 Hugh_Jorgan
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The problem is that full blast is providing less effect than the measured flows of 12 months ago. The can moves less and less with each successive kick.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 11:16 | 2021567 mick_richfield
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Things fall apart

The center cannot hold.

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 12:09 | 2021704 Seize Mars
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Things fall apart

The center cannot hold.

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

Yeats - well done.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:49 | 2021731 hannah
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fall apart things do

hold The center cannot

upon the world Mere anarchy loosed


Fri, 12/30/2011 - 12:17 | 2021725 dizzyfingers
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Not anarchy: cartelism.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:30 | 2021422 philipat
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And MASSIVE QE from ECB also. So why is Gold down? More manipulation like the sudden miraculous huge increase in Oil reserves at a time when US prop ahead of the Iran war was pushing up oil prices and which was, inconvenient? In the case of Gold, it would, of course, also be inconvenient should China stop buying Green in favour of the shiney stuff?

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:32 | 2021433 Hansel
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Part of gold's smash has to be John Paulson liquidating some of his funds for redemption requests.  He's down >50% this year -- not in his gold fund, but I don't think some investors will care which of his funds are up or down.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 12:34 | 2021751 VegasRage
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That part of the puzzle is easy, the paper metals SLV, GLD, and the CME have been trading 500:1 paper to the physical. These markets trade more in a month than is physically produced in an entire year. There are huge short positions by JPM and HSBC out there plus when the Commex doesn't like the price they raise margin requirements kicking people out of their contracts.


It's no surprise they picked the slowest part of the year to attack the price again, I think EUR and liquidation of paper positions is causing this drop. But there is already a detachment between melt price and physical price, SLV which is supposed to truly reflect melt price of silver per ounce is trading significantly below silvers actual melt price. As of this writing SLV price is 27.53 and the actual melt price of silver is 28.33.

If SLV represents the actual physical metal, how is that possible? 


Fri, 12/30/2011 - 19:12 | 2022782 fnord88
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Having never bought paper I'm not sure how it works, but I know I havn't been able to buy physical over the holdidays. What better time to make gold look weak, than when nobody is actually able to buy any?

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:38 | 2021963 topshelfstuff
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You two [ Kirdkrid & LawsOfPhysics ] said it perfectly


""""Wake the fuck up, QE has never stopped....""""


"""It's the red herring about which people can focus their attention while the real work takes place.""""


Its like the way a Magician is trained and works on stage. Its all about getting the People to look at one hand, while its the other hand making the Move. Though its right there in front of the audience, it works, its human nature, a natural reaction that they know about and the one they are exploiting.


Still, to this day, with the assistance of the MSMedia that hasn't allowed any follow-up, we learned that some $16 TRILLION was Secretly dispersed starting in late 2008, while the People [audience] were all focused on the $700-$800 BILLION that Paulson was waving in one hand.


That was like 20 QE's or TARP's done, while 1 was in the hand everyone was looking at.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 11:46 | 2021641 Kaiser Sousa
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"Wake the fuck up, QE has never stopped...."

sho' you right!!!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 12:27 | 2021746 Triple A
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so does that mean QE doesn't cause inflation unless QE was formally announced, also does it mean that instead of having gold and silver skyrocket it goes down even. Simply because they are not announcing it. If thats the case why would they ever announce it?

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 15:00 | 2022157 xela2200
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That is why you are seeing so much volatility in the Precious Metal market. The proof will be in the next few months. I see it as the battle between market and The powers That Be. Volatility is the lighting and thunder. I suspect that next year will see the mother of all volatility for PM.

Just look at gold and silver this year. I think they gave me an ulcer.

And about inflation --> Just go to the supermarket. Trust me it is NOT 3% or 4%.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:50 | 2022121 xela2200
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I agree.

Lets see:

1- Foreigners Dumping treasuries - Interest rate up pressure

2 - National Debt increasing rapidly - interest rates up pressure

So we have selling combined with more issuance for government. How in heavens can interest rates be near zero? If not monetizing  the debt then I don't know what else it could be. Some wonder why the bond vigilantes haven't shown. Maybe, it is because they know the FED will squash them like bugs. The FED has no issues with monetizing the debt and they have signal the markets accordingly.

What I am having a hard time understanding why the strength of the Dollar? I know Euros are flocking to the dollar for safety, but why not hard assets (land, commodities, etc). All they seem to know how to do is buy each others' useless debt.


Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:06 | 2021379 Oh regional Indian
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That last line really says it all. It hardly matters anymore, it's blatantly rigged.

Treat this as a carefully scripted drama. If you don't have the text, no way you can plan and play. Winnings are fool's luck for most winners not in.

Who did the dumping? It should be open, common knowledge, not coming out in some report months after the fact.

Enjoy the last days of 2011 fellow ZHers. Next year is for reals!!!




Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:53 | 2021492 disabledvet
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The Tylers speak with forked tongue here and they know it. How about offering up an explanation instead of leaving it to The Commentariat? "What?" you say? And "give everyone the answer you already know?" Well wouldn't that spoil the New Years! Obviously the answer must be once the USA is downgraded the commercial banks are forced to buy what Robot Trader called perfectly "Uncle Gorilla Paper." Sure...angry sovereigns like "the country formerly known as China" have ordered the deployment of "the sell at the high so we can buy at the higher" weapon. That is their prerogative. I would not recommend that approach however.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 11:32 | 2021605 gatorengineer
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one of the worst stories ever on ZH.........  Eurobanks needed capital, selling Tbills no surprise.....  with LTRO watch for foreign ownership to soar as its an easy euroshort play.....  

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 12:40 | 2021779 LongBallsShortBrains
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I think the news in this story is that the gorilla paper was being sold in record amounts and still going up or, at least, not dropping, implying that the invisible hand is buying.

My take anyway

Happy new years to all the hedgies. What a great site!!!!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:48 | 2021984 gangland
Fri, 12/30/2011 - 08:38 | 2021228 tim73
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Are T-bonds biodegradable matter? Is it safe to wipe your behind with it? No rash? How about using one as a diaper for baby?

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 08:47 | 2021247 Snidley Whipsnae
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Perhaps they are edible?

If so, the Brits need them since "Burglaries in the UK have doubled in 2011, doubled from the previous year. Theft of cattle and sheep has increased 2.7 times between 2010 and 2011. These are just are just small indications before anything has started to happen. People are poor, people are hungry.

This is just an early indication of what will happen in the next few years. People will have no money, people will be hungry, and therefore they will fight to get money, they will fight to get food. Sadly, we will have, in most countries, in European as well as the US, we will have serious social unrest. How far that will go is impossible to tell, but I am concerned.”$3,000_-_$5,000_in_2012.html


Fri, 12/30/2011 - 08:50 | 2021255 Ghordius
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"Theft of cattle and sheep has increased 2.7 times"

Borderers! Reavers! Quick, deploy the regiments to the Scottish Border!

ok, ok, bad taste, my excuses

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 08:55 | 2021257 Snidley Whipsnae
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Haggis bitchez... can't find a brand on a plate of steaming haggis!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 09:09 | 2021283 Ghordius
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haggis? the original recipy for CDO's?

Re: "we will have serious social unrest" - please remember that on this site we hear a lot of non-UK-Europe being hoplessly "socialist" - this includes social spending so that people do not get hungry and start to steal cattle and sheep - something the typical urban poor is not really equipped to do...

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 09:14 | 2021290 Snidley Whipsnae
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"urban poor", motivated by hunger, can accomplish a hell of a lot more than most would believe.

Nothing like a lack of fish and chips to get folks off their asses.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 09:23 | 2021304 Ghordius
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still not convinced - you need some capital (skills and means) to go out of the city, find sheep, kill them, eat them

cattle is even worse - you might love filet mignon but butchery needs space and equipment, you can't roast a calf like a marshmellow on your camp fire

much easier for the real poor to keep on their couches and waiting for what Brits call "the dole"

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 09:28 | 2021314 Snidley Whipsnae
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England = nation of shopkeepers.

How many butcher shops do you reckon are in GB?

How many people in France knew how to make a guillotine?

Hunger = The Motivator

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 11:14 | 2021564 YBNguy
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Holomodor, BITCHEZ!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 14:57 | 2022142 Loose Caboose
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Holodomor - looked it up.  I had no idea. There are large holes in my education, obviously.  That's what I love about ZH - I learn something new every day.  1932-33 isn't that long ago.  Just incredible.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 12:44 | 2021800 LongBallsShortBrains
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......How many people in France knew how to make a guillotine?

Very good point!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 13:24 | 2021934 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...and a sharp edge as well.


Fri, 12/30/2011 - 15:04 | 2022165 xela2200
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You can get a mean machete in Mexico.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 15:51 | 2022276 Cathartes Aura
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Britain is also a nation of street markets, and "wot fell off t'lorry" often gets traded hand-to-hand - and once those "themed" pubs get a reality make-over, there will be whispered trades at the bar as well. . .

creative survival. . .

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:53 | 2021493 DaveyJones
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when the chips are down

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 09:27 | 2021313 Urban Redneck
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The last time I was driving thrugh DC at night I came across more deer than I usually see on my back porch in the back woods of Appalachia.  When the deer disappear from DC despite its government sponsored full employment and ban on firearms- then chaos will soon finally reach the Capitol.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:57 | 2021499 ExpendableOne
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Crossbow and flashlights!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 11:12 | 2021552 YBNguy
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I hated DC and NOVA, Im so glad I moved an hour south. Talk about resistence to integrate and rampant illegals loitering outside the 7-11 (under the 'no loitering' signs that got me and my friends removed many times when I was younger, yet does not seem to apply to the aliens...). One block was all spanish (mexican) apts. with their own shopping centers all in Spanish, next was the Middle-eastern section with similar communities and stores in only Arabic, then the Koreans, followed by the Vietnamese, you get the picture...

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 11:57 | 2021668 swani
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That's why NOVA has such good food. 

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:59 | 2021503 disabledvet
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France will vote Socialism/Statism in the New Year...and it will be the smartest thing they have done since putting...was it Fouchet? charge during WW I. And trust me when I tell you: you have not heard the last of Dominque Strauss Kahn. Ideally he'd be the EU's Defense Minister.

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:19 | 2021408 Potemkin Villag...
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Haggis.... Now that's some good shit there!

Fri, 12/30/2011 - 10:31 | 2021430 Snidley Whipsnae
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PV... Not on every site can one read about the effects of haggis on the economy of a soverign! Be thankful you have ZH... if only for entertainment... but we know it's much more.

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