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As if we didn't have enough to worry about...
As if we didn't have enough to worry about...
WE don't have anything to worry about.
neither do THEY.
unless by "they" you are referring the Palestinian women and children, inconveniently occupying what is left of Palestinian land following waves of illegal colonization...
Not exactly. By THEY I mean Isr.ael. Not the few Palestinians left out there.
I have a question: What do we Americans have to gain from our alliance with Israel?
They test weapons for us, and give us good data on how a well-armed and disciplined military can maintain control over a much larger urban population.
[Obama's Voice] Oh, good! Carry on.
probably not much. its possible that israels nuclear arsenal has kept iran and the arab states at bay, but much more probable its the billions of u.s. dollars that has kept the peace.
Just spent the last 10 minutes reading though all the vile, right-wing bigotry in the comments section here - lots and lots of super-pigs online tonight.
It appears this place is far more infested with right-wing varmints than I originally estimated......got a lot of work ahead of me.
Jack Van Impe, is that you?
hahaha. That show was a riot.
10 mins to read around 10 posts. Seems to confirm you're a pretty slow mind lol. But for a change, you might give an argument to discredit the people you dislike so much... in 30 min or so, we are not in a hurry, take your time !
What we gain? Israel is much better than we are at spying on Islamic terrorists, which we should all agree is a good skill to have. They also probably have some insights into dealing directly with Islamic terrorists which we should probably listen to. I'm sure there's more.
Why an ally? Our cultural ties are much stronger: The US (the Christian portion in general) shares with Israel in ignoring pages upon pages of life destroying garbage in the Old Testament (e.g. much of Leviticus, Deuteronomy) while Christians ignore much of the same type garbage in the New Testament. We all hold on to the good stuff from these old texts, which is a good thing. This wasn't always the case throughout the last 2,000 years...
Anyway, in contrast, Islam still recognizes as legitimate religion much of the barbarism you can easily find by opening almost any page of the koran. Get a copy of read the jaw-dropping hatred for yourself. This "culture" is still a few hundred years behind us. And we should do all we can to avoid being victimized by their growing pains (e.g. ally with Israel).
The Israelis blew up the United State's most sophisticated surveillance ship, the USS Liberty, in 1967. Thirty four American sailors were killed and over a hundred were injured.
Israel is hardly an American ally.
HEY CROCKETT, IS IT JUST ME, OR DID THE ZH FIGHT CLUB TURN INTO THE ULTIMATE DEATH MATCH ON THIS POST. MAN, I HAVENT SEEN THIS MUCH FIGHTING SINCE DESERT STORM...WELL, GOTTA GO...
X. The Middle East threads bring out the most junking and and shreaking around. I suggest you revert back to thinking from your ex-emplyers and do the below before entering a Middle East thread. You must be properly prepared!
1) Bring your AR with at least 4 loaded clips, as well as you 9 mm w/ same
2) High tolerance to being junked
3) Body armor optional but recommended
4) A love of battle is highly recommended
5) Be careful of chumbawamba! The Bearing was sliced to pieces by him once!
LOL, you rock, bro,
incoming green. HA,HA,HA,
Wouldn't a Galil would be more fitting? :p Anyway, AR's have a greater tendency to jam up under these circumstances....
Dunno, man. Just woke up and the fur was flying. I've got a little different frame of reference though -- worst fighting I've seen since the big fist fight with Robbie Love at the bus stop in 8th grade (circa 1978).
KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN, BRO. AND KEEP YOUR ASS LOWER THEN YOUR HEAD....
fuck you asshole!
Or maybe USA should dump Israel on the curb, wish em well and say you're on your own.
We never had issues with the middle east until they got in bed with Israel.
Oh, they have oil? So what, that's all they have in the desert and need to sell it to buy anything else.
WWII they weren't on our side and haven't really changed their thinking...I've lived and travelled through all of those Gulf States (except Iran, not Arabs anyway)...the number of times I've heard "Hitler was right" from them after a few drinks...Hill & Knowlton have a lot to answer for.
Christians see Jezus as the son of god, Muslims see Jezus as a prohet, Jews deny Jezus.
Who's culture is closer toghether based on religion...
The Koran is based on Judaism and Christianity and is a religion of peace/violence as much as Judaism or Christianity.
It all comes down to the individual - as always - and there will always be haters and bridge-builders.
Who are you?
PS Jews and Muslims lived in peace for over a 1000 of years. Why? Common religional base. And? Jews can charge interest on loans, Muslims cannot. Symbiotic economic relationship broken by UK/US after WW2.
All the folks who might be behind on their real history need to take a good hard look at this artice, see the embedded video:
Now perhaps you can begin to understand how the myth of Israel was created and has been kept alive.
Most people here seem to be shooting from the hip or being simply dramatic about an issue they have no idea about except what they were "taught" to believe.
Sure, Israel the nation-state is an abomination. But them poor israelis? Just more dumb sheep. Mostly shipped over from around the world after due indoctrination.
Know your history to understand your present.
i'm assuming you are an american (unfortunately) unless you are a native american you must be an illegal colonist
two wrongs equals....?
two wrongs make you a hypocrite. if you are going to criticize colonization, find out where your people came from, and go back.
if you are going to sit here and bitch about imperialism and blah blah blah while you do the same, shut the fuck up.
you have probs with israel, fine, just don't spew this tripe like you give a fuck about indigenous people.
Breach Of Covenant
I've been saying that backing socialism is a breach for a long time, but do 70% of 'em agree with me? NOOOOO.
Shorter Rodent: I'm sucking Rick Perry's dick as hard as I can!
It's fascism not socialism.
Where do I go? My fathers side came on the Mayflower and well, my mothers side was already here.
You'll be in a FEMA camp sooner or later because it's not where you're from it's which class you belong to and if you're not a Kleptocrat...well get used to cold cement floors.
People have problems with Israel mainly BECAUSE of Israel's treatment of the indigenous people.
The American whites' treatment of the native Americans was appalling, but is not analogous with the situation in Palestine because the latter occurred during living memory. There has to be some kind of statute of limitations on these grievances. Otherwise... why would the Jews have a claim to Israel at all? They took the land from the Canaanites, after all.
Colonization, has gone on since man came into being.
Britain, Spain, etc,etc,etc, Europeans, all settled sparse new lands..............
You need to take off the blinders, and look around.
The Israelites took the land fromn Cannanites because GOD told them to do so.
It's a personal choice to believe, or disbelieve that, or any other story,religion.
It is what it is, we can't change it, and last I checked way back when, whoever was the victor got the spoils.
Only We beleieve in destroying ourselves in misadventures in this century claiming we want Democracy for all.(when we really are enslaving the entire planet).
When we do not even have the same freedoms we were guaranteed over 235yrs ago, and lose more daily.
Yet we are EXPECTED to believe WE are the GOOD GUY's.(when I say We, you know who I mean).
Whatever anyone thinks about Israel, Israel's central commitment to an ethnocratic majority-Jewish state is very expensive, and means they tax the wages and lives of the Israeli people.
Just like American foreign policy, all these walls, wars and ethnic cleansing will bankrupt them.
Who gives a shit about a fascist scumbag country like Isreal?
The 700 club? The entire tele-evangelist nation. Joe Biden. Anyone who's ALLOWED to work in government military or law enforcement without getting a dump truck of shit on his head.
So what is this site for? Bankers, the US elite as US citizens call them have won and they are taking their due.
No more blame laid on bankers, the elite or anyone who is currently winning and getting the spoils.
No, I am kidding. US citizens nature is eternal and it wont be long before I catch you whining against people who are currently winning the game.
US citizens can not self limit, they have no control, they are failing at governing themselves so lets have some fun.
doing god's work!
Go back far enough and no one is indigenous. Or, are you talking about the group of people that happen to occupy a certain territory (usually having ran off the prior inhabitants by force) at a specific point in time? Under your argument we are all either indigenous, or should 'shut the fuck up' and 'go back'. Native Americans are gonna have a hard time getting back to Asia...
PS....maybe the 'indigenous' should have fought harder?
One can only agree that whoever wins is the winner. How sordid to watch the winners' wives and pool boys hand back the spoils via the voting booth, desiring poverty and enslavement by the revanchists, if only they could be free of their guilt, which guilt they only feel because they have so much f'g time to sit around ruiminating while they eat on someone else's dime. How California. How NYC. What a cheap (in the moment) thrill at such an inevitably high price. Yes, being invaded and overwhelmed isn't pleasant. However, if the invaded were not at each other's throats and completely lacking in solidarity, it never would have happened, whether in regard to the US indian tribes or arab tribes. Has it changed? No. And now, in the US, the shoe is on the other foot, the worm has turned. The corporate guys like the cheap labor. The non-corporate guys are either asleep or hoping that somehow their civil service pension will pan out. Wars are fought for land and for political hegemony in that land, and they are usually bloody and expensive. I suppose the lesson is that the winners heirs tend to get soft, and tend to ignore history and think that softness will lead them to a guilt-free prosperity, trading guilty for bitter oppression. Makes me laugh, actually. Get soft, get poor. Give people various forms of tenure in the civil service and universities? They'll begin to ignore realpolitik and start advocating and voting to impoversh their own people, oblivious to the effects of their actions, acting purely on "ethical" grounds, which usually translates as acting blindly in some other group's interest merely to make themselves, in their ruminations, more comfortable.
it means "nonwhite people." White people are always invaders and nonwhites are always noble peace loving indigenous peoples.
Son, I am really sorry for smoking all that crack while pregnant with you. Please accept my apologies.
Go back far enough and no one is indigenous.
Go back far enough on what? based on what?
That US citizens are not indigenous to the Americas is well documentated and an unarguable fact in a non US citizenish framework.
Please provide evidences that Euskadi is not peopled by descendents of indigenous people. Gonna get a laughter on that.
US citizens are funny people.
Is that you, Mo? Ron?
Personally, I was born here.
That alone makes me INDIGENOUS, by definition, right?
WTF U talking 'bout, Willis?
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