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Fourth Largest Gun Maker In US Is Out Of Guns

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In a somewhat sad and shocking slap of reality to the face of our 'recovery' and 'freedom-based-debt-holdings', today's press-release-of-the-day (since we still haven't heard from BATS) goes to Sturm, Ruger (the 4th largest gun-maker in the US) who after receiving orders for over one million units in Q1 has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.


Forget PCLN, CRM, NFLX, here's where the real action is!

RGR is up a whopping 571% from Nov 07 while the S&P 500 is down 3%...


Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. Reports Strong First Quarter Bookings

March 21, 2012

Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR), announced today that for the first quarter 2012, the Company has received orders for more than one million units. Therefore, the Company has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.


Chief Executive Officer Michael O. Fifer made the following comments:


The Company's Retailer Programs that were offered from January 1, 2012 through February 29, 2012 were very successful and generated significant orders from retailers to independent wholesale distributors for Ruger firearms.


Year-to-date, the independent wholesale distributors placed orders with the Company for more than one million Ruger firearms.

Despite the Company's continuing successful efforts to increase production rates, the incoming order rate exceeds our capacity to rapidly fulfill these orders. Consequently, the Company has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.

The Company expects to resume the normal acceptance of orders by the end of May 2012.

The Company will announce its results and file its Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the first quarter of 2012 on Tuesday, May 1, 2012, after the close of the stock market.


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Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:35 | 2285119 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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Precious metals bitchez!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:40 | 2285139 slaughterer
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The ZH message is getting through, obviously.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:48 | 2285160 Sudden Debt
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If i could buy some over here I would to.
I've always been against guns my whole life, but like things are heading these last few years, it can't heart to own some.

The most fucked up thing is that we make some of the finest guns in the world and we can't even buy them!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:52 | 2285195 q99x2
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Gatlin Gun like projectile launchers geared down from the drive train of any car - enough to stop an army.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:54 | 2285205 Jendrzejczyk
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Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:31 | 2285529 ExpendableOne
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You NEEEEEd one of these.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:06 | 2285611 CompassionateFascist
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1st Tuesday in November. Then: 60 days to Fort Sumter. Invest in lead.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:21 | 2285735 economics9698
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I got a 380 LCP with a laser that is a great concealed carry.  If you buy one make sure you run 200 rounds through it.  The first 50 rounds were a pain in the ass.  Jammed every 5th round.  After break in it seems to be working fine.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:41 | 2285756 smiler03
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Just downvote me now, don't bother reading on....

For every bullet you fire, another is also fired.

Worst shot dies.

50:50 your gold dies with you.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:12 | 2285806 Papasmurf
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What was your point?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 05:13 | 2286219 economics9698
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I bet the Yids in the Warsaw Ghetto wish they had a few firearms.  Most firearms will be used to protect property and life.  In a worst case scenario like the Warsaw ghetto firearms can kill a few bad guys.  If every Yid in the ghetto had a 9mm they could have made a dent in the NAZI war machine before they died.  That’s the difference between first world people and third world people, we prefer the other bastard die first, or at least take a few down first. 

Imagine if every Yid in the Warsaw ghetto had a 9mm…and had a set of balls...history would be different.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 06:05 | 2286234 onthesquare
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I will see your 9mm and raise you 1 surface to air missal launcher; Like the ones the Syrians are using.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 09:50 | 2286398 bigkahuna
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approximately 1:55 in is the reason the guns are flying off the shelf.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 14:13 | 2286831 zhandax
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"Over 1 million people attended Obama's inauguration, and only 14 missed work".  He did get a majority of the votes.  We have arrived at the moment Tytler warned.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:01 | 2286089 Oh regional Indian
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Smiler, you cannot argue with boys and their toys.

Guns...sure, the Iraqi Republican guards crawled out of their holes in abject surrender, but range-trained anarchists will take on the DHS/FEMA/Blackwater goons.

Or born on the 4th of J type vets will.... work with fat white patsies to save their lives from big gubberment. 

Dream on. I've done 12 military years.... range and reality are about as far apart as your elbow and your asshole, the two do not meet.

Our mind is our greatest weapon, not our hands. And especially not our trigger fingers.


This is fire-power run amock. Watch it and weep, gunners.


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 04:05 | 2286176 AnAnonymous
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Guns...sure, the Iraqi Republican guards crawled out of their holes in abject surrender, but range-trained anarchists will take on the DHS/FEMA/Blackwater goons.

Or born on the 4th of J type vets will.... work with fat white patsies to save their lives from big gubberment.

Trouble is that US citizens are duplicitous. They invent all kinds of stories to hide their motives.

Going against the government has never been the goal of gun ownership.

Thieves are thieves and will always retain a twisted sense of property.

Only a few will go against the government institutions of force. The rest will go on what US citizens do the best: looting, ethnical cleansing etc...

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 05:24 | 2286222 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Trouble is that US citizens are duplicitous. They invent all kinds of stories to hide their motives.

If Chinese citizenism made sense, that would be a story...

Thieves are thieves and will always retain a twisted sense of property.

Self indiction is a big thing in Chinese citizenism.


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 05:29 | 2286224 ffart
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Man, I don't even know... The goal of private gun ownership is to confiscate private property? And the goal of state gun ownership is...? Did you forget to take your brain medicine or something?

"Hey I got my CPL. I guess the logical next step is to go embark on an expansionary quest to subjugate all oil producing states."

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 07:40 | 2286273 AnAnonymous
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Your question simply illustrates that there is no difference between public and private in US citizenism.

Guns are designed with an intent, the wielder being private or public does not change one thing.

That private, public thing was something largely hyped by US citizenism to divert.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:10 | 2286295 sessinpo
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Your question simply illustrates that there is no difference between public and private in US citizenism.

Guns are designed with an intent, the wielder being private or public does not change one thing.

That private, public thing was something largely hyped by US citizenism to divert.



I take your comment to its logical conclusion. You are controlled no matter what you do. Thus your posts and any subsequent one was forced. You had no choice.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:33 | 2286314 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Your question simply illustrates that there is no difference between public and private in US citizenism.

Great Wall of China? Does it ring a bell?

Guns are designed with an intent, the wielder being private or public does not change one thing.

Ah, you can trust Chinese citizenism citizens to maintain their nature because Chinese citizenism citizen nature is eternal. As to dealing with predators, well, predators will be seen through the scope of Chinese citizenism which leads to quite a distorted self perception.

That private, public thing was something largely hyped by US citizenism to divert.

It would be very surprising indeed if Chinese citizenism citizens lost their nature.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 02:00 | 2287950 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Starting with Afghanistan.

All hail the evil petro dollar!


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 10:49 | 2288268 mjcOH1
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"Trouble is that US citizens are duplicitous. They invent all kinds of stories to hide their motives.

Going against the government has never been the goal of gun ownership."


The founders and authors of the US Constitution made clear that the role of private gun ownership was to prevent tyranny in government.  Ex.

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster  in `An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))

" disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." (Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29.)

"The Constitution shall never be prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975)..)

"The great object is that every man be armed" and "everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386)


In short, the framers of the US Constitution hoped that by guaranteeing the individual right to gun ownership we would live free ..... as opposed to being ground under tank tracks in Tiennenman Square, locked up in prison factories to produce do-dadds for foreign export, or forced off our land if the local Party official decided that it needed redistributing (to himself).

Butt....if that works for you go for it.   Enjoy your chains.   Save your bullshit and re-invention of the historical intent of the founders for someplace else though. 

We have the historical documentation.  We didn't burn it in the Cultural Revolution.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 09:14 | 2286362 kk1532003
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"I've done 12 military years.... range and reality are about as far apart as your elbow and your asshole"


Yup...just about the same amount of distance exists between the guy in the rear with the gear and a combat troop.  Which one were you cowboy?


What I get sick of is hearing over and over about how a determined insurgency can never win against the mighty forces of a professional army/government..


If the SHTF in this country, how many of our current and former military would take up arms AGAINST tyranny?  Of course they can never win right?


Listen to the utterances of history:

"Those poorly trained American farmers can never stand against the might of the British Empire"

"Those French peasants can nver stand against the might of Imperial France"

"Good God, those ignornat Russian peasants can never hold against the might of the Czar"

"Those slant eyed little Vietnamese can never stand against the might of the US"

"Those starving superstitious Afgans will never last against the might of the British...or Soviets...or soon the be Americans"

At a certain point in an insurgency missles and tanks don't work.  You have to kick down doors.  And to do that you need to have balls the size of coconuts and be determined.  Hired guns rairly go the distance...


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 09:47 | 2286393 Oh regional Indian
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Save me your attitude, read below and also understand that you have bought the lie that you "won" that particular war and also the lie that you are a "Citizen" of a country.

You are a resource of a corporation, playinng in the corporation's sand-box.

We all are for that matter, but clearly US is in the cross hairs.

And last, but not least, everyone here is speaking defensively. So, reactively. In a war-zone, the pro-active, attacking force has a built-in advantage. 

It's okay though, nurse that cold blue-steel. To each his own.


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:02 | 2286515 sun tzu
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coming from an indian that's laughable

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:40 | 2286580 Oh regional Indian
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Anything coming from a guy who has a chippendale avaatar and calls himself sun tzu is beyond anything.

Ridiculous. You sir, are a first class confused clown in my eyes.

Fuck off.


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:05 | 2287196 sun tzu
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go worship your cows and bath in holy shit water

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 09:33 | 2286374 DanDaley
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Better to have a gun and not need it, than to need it and not have it, mind or no mind.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 09:43 | 2286386 Oh regional Indian
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I have nice air-pistols that I use to train my eye/hand co-ordination, accuracy of projection, strength.

 But killer guns? They make you a 'tiger" in your mind. And the adrenaline of a real situation? hmmmmm, you're going to attempt BlackHawk down in Podunk Illinois with your individual or collective armory? Dream on. There is always a bigger gun around.

And what I'm actually speaking of is how much assymetric weaponry the PTB have at their disposal.

that will need an asymmetric mind to overcome. 


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:22 | 2286440 Max Hunter
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There is no doubt we are in a war for the mind. Words and ideas will forge much of the future.  I will still have guns.. Just in case I need them..

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:25 | 2286443 Central Bankster
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fucking pussy.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:04 | 2286517 sun tzu
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It doesn't matter how many guns they have. How many people are willing to kill or die for the bankers?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 12:02 | 2286625 DaveyJones
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and more important, how many bankers are willing to die for the bankers?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:16 | 2286546 DanDaley
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I'll grant you one thing: just because you have firearms, doesn't mean you're "armed".  Being really "armed" means that you have thought it through, you know what is important in life, and that you may very well suffer and die.  This brings in your faith in God, the Constitution, and therefore your resolve to defend your rights and fight for what is important.  In times of trouble, many will falter and be found wanting (like Hooker in the Civil War), yet many who now seem weak and irresolute will rise to the occasion.  Like Patton said, "Pressure makes diamonds."

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 19:30 | 2287390 CompassionateFascist
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What's all this? Joe Hooker did his best. He was just leaning against the wrong marble column when a Confederate cannon shell hit it.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 20:06 | 2287444 DanDaley
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Sure he did his best, but got defeated while doing so by more audacious commanders -Lee and Jackson.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:53 | 2286791 Freddie
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We saw your air pistols on TV when that small group of Al Qeada terrorists caused chaos is a major Indian city, killed dozens, tried to burn down a hotel, etc etc.

This is not a insult towards Indian cops and the army.  A lot of brave Indian cops and soldiers were getting shot at.  The problem is you had cops with revolvers and old bolt action Enfield rifles against AK-47.  I remember one cop hiding with his Enfield as the drugged up Islamic was spraying AK-47 fire.   If this city insurgency had happen in Texas - you would have had probably 1,000 armed citizens all over the terrorists.  

I do not support how American cops have been turned into paramilitaries.  I prefer armed and responsible citizens.  The best model is probably the Swiss.

Do not under estimate private gun owners.  Many of them are very good shots and the practice often.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 19:15 | 2289298 Matte_Black
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It seems to me that someone should point out that Mr. Ori was simply pointing out that should the shtf, our greatest strength will be our way of thinking, if we think rightly about this conflict, rather than our way of arming ourselves.

He rightly points out that the military/LEA can field awesome firepower. He also points out that it requires a different kind of thinking to overcome that type of advantage.

History proves him correct, imo. Asymmetrical warfighting is a winner in the modern era. It works. It also requires asymmetrical thinking to be successful.

Think different.

Vietnam bitchez.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:21 | 2286984 Lednbrass
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There are myriad problems with your argument here, not the least of which is that you simply do not realize the massive divide in the US military itself or the nation as a whole.  It is not homgenous by any stretch, there are massive differences in region, culture, and ethnicity.  The military now and particularly its actual trigger pullers are overwhelmingly from the south and west, it is extremely lopsided in terms of where actual combat soldiers come from. 

You are foolish in the first place for going on about a nation you know little about outside of media and doubly stupid for not realizing that the US military is not in any way, shape, or form representative of the overall population. The overall population in the country is urban and increasingly multiethnic, the fighting military is small town or rural and overwhelmingly white.  An all volunteer military has led to the urbanites not joining, and if they do they tend to join for training and become technicians or adminstrators.  The boys from outside New England and the Left coast join to learn to fight, and the current and former miltary in this country is extremely tilted in this regard.

If things get ugly those guys arent going to fight their own any more then they did in 1861 and the midwewstern small town and farmboys that gave the government its real strength in those years arent going to support it again. Realize that our financial and government establishments come from exactly the opposite of the areas our fighting troops come from- if and when push really comes to shove the true power really is not in New England, DC, and California.  Political and financial power- yes. Real gun barrel power- no, very little.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 04:04 | 2288038 vato poco
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"Our mind is our greatest weapon, not our hands."

Uh-huh. Say, how'd that attitude - and those "weapons" - work out for you boys when the Pakis with teeny-tiny brains, but *lots* of guns came calling in Mumbai a while back? I'll skip any mention of the legions of unarmed cops, because even if they'd had weapons, they'd have done just what our cops routinely do: run and hide like little bitches. So let's concentrate on all the innocent, unarmed people the brave warriors of jihad picked off like fish in a barrel.

Think their last thoughts might have been along the lines of, "Golly, sure wish I had me one of them 'toys' the psuedointellectuals are always telling us we don't need."? Or "Sure wish we had us some range-trained anarchists right about now!"?



Sun, 03/25/2012 - 21:48 | 2289652 spooncutter
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ori, if you're going to continue doomsaying circlejerking hurry up and finish yourself off over your $55 silver monster boxes

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:02 | 2286410 bernorange
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So you are saying it's better to let the other shot fired be the only shot fired?  I don't think so.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:50 | 2286496 Oh regional Indian
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Bern, did you see Neo training with Guns to fight the Matrix in the Matrix?

That trilogy was a loaded tell. Go watch it again, all the gun-slingers here. It might save your life.

They can put a thought in your head for heaven's sake. From 500 meters. You think the Branch Dravidian's were underprepared? 


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:05 | 2286520 sun tzu
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Can they handle 100,000 Branch Davidian compounds at the same time?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:44 | 2286588 Oh regional Indian
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Don't even kid yourself that this divided (deeply) nation will produce 100,000 David Koreshes. that is what it take to pull together a Branch Davidian Sect/cult/strong-hold.

The armory does not the army make. 


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 16:33 | 2287022 LasVegasDave
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There already are 100,000 david koreshes armed and ready.

Now come and be led by your nose ring

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:10 | 2287206 sun tzu
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All it takes is a few people with guns. No compound needed. How many stormtroopers are willing to die for the bankers? People are willing to die for their family and country, not for money. 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:04 | 2285767 Frankie Carbone
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I too have a .380 LCP. The 380 though is a little underpowered but the benefits of ease of carry and concealment are often worth it for me though (Carry option #2 is a Ruger SP101 357 Mag, 2 3/4" barrel with FULL LOAD Federal 125gr JHP 357B's. - Trust me, it's a monster to handle and takes LOTS of practice). 

May I offer a little advice: Feed your 380 a diet of these.

These Buffalo Bore 380 JHP's are the hottest 380ACP's on the market, and yes, the LCP can handle them (not all 380's can). 

This will turn that little cap gun into a real firecracker. It's your life at stake bro. Don't get cheap ass with the ammo. Try them. I think you'll be impressed. BTW. Buffalo Bore ammo, all of it, is top notch and kick ass. 

Put it this way. I've put hundreds of rounds into my pistols and it's my carry round. I trust my life with this stuff. It's HOT as hell. 

From their website. (YES, this IS from the actual company website. I did not make this up. I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF half way through it. The owner, so it is said, (Tim Sundles) is a no bullshit, Montana man ballistician "regular Joe" who is reportedly a goddamn genius when it comes to ballistics). 

Just read it. It's as informative as it is goddamn funny!


380 Auto +P Ammo - 90 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point (1200fps M.E. 288 ft. lbs. - 20 Round Box

The 380 auto inhabits a valuable and useful place in our society, mostly because of the easily concealable, tiny pistols chambered for it. HOWEVER, because of the very limited size of the cartridge, it is plagued with limited power and therefore most of the existing ammo in 380 auto suffers from not being reliable as a man-stopper. We've studied and played with nearly all of the existing available 380 ammo and find it wanting as a reliable means of self defense, especially against a large, insane, drugged up/pain free, determined attacker.

Here's the problem. The current 380 auto frangible ammo delivers a large amount of surface trauma, but lacks serious penetration. For example, if you shot me or another sane man in the face with modern frangible 380 ammo, it would blow off a big portion of my cheek and send a few teeth down my throat, I would undoubtedly fall to the ground in shock and pain, but I would be very much alive and functional if I could get past the shock and pain as that frangible bullet would have stopped some where inside my face, never making it to my brain. However, if you shot a drugged up maniac in the face with that same frangible 380 ammo and blew half his cheek off, he would keep right on coming because he is insane and is not thinking like you or I. Plus, he is likely pain free and fear free and wont know that half his cheek is missing and if he did know, he would not care. So whatever 380 ammo you shoot him in the face with, had better go through his face and blow his brain stem out the back of his head, because only a CNS (central nervous system) hit with a 380 is going to stop him. Likewise, a torso hit to the sternum needs to penetrate deep enough to blow all the way through his spine in order to shut him down spontaneously. If you fail to shut him down instantly, you and your loved ones are going to have to find a way to survive while you wait for him to bleed out and pass out. The best chance of survival for you and your family is to shut down the attacker instantly. So, we've designed a few 380 auto +P loads to keep you and your loved ones alive under the worst of scenarios.

This 380 Auto+P ammo will better all American made 380 Auto ammo by 150 fps to 200 fps in all bullet weights we make. This is a serious improvement in this typically anemic cartridge. This 380 auto+P ammo is more powerful than the typical 38SPL ammo made by most American ammo makers and you'll get 7 shots of it in a small/flat/light weight 380 versus 5 shots out of a bulkier 38 SPL J frame revolver. Additionally, with the 380 you'll get much faster reloads and the little magazines are flatter than a speed-loader used for a J frame.

Item 27C/20 is a 90gr. Jacketed Hollow Point bullet.  It is traveling over 1,200 fps out of my BDA (Browning Double Action) with its 3.75 inch barrel. We've utilized the very same flash suppressed powders that we've used in our two other 380 auto +P loads. If you like the idea of the extra big hole this expanding load makes in human flesh, we would advise that you load this bullet in your chamber, followed by a magazine full of our non-expanding loads. So, if the first shot does not incapacitate the attacker, your magazine is full of ammo that will, if you can put the bullet in his spine or brain from any angle. Note my "real world" velocities from my personal "real world" pistols.

1. BDA-3.75 inch barrel----1218 fps
2. Walther PPK-3.5 inch barrel-----1200 fps
3. Colt Mustang Pocket Lite-2.75 inch barrel---1123 fps
4. Keltec---1100 fps


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:42 | 2285839 JW n FL
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Federal .380 ACP 90 gr Hydra-Shok JHP: SIM-TEST* w/denim

Hornady Critical Defense .380 ACP 90 gr Ammo Test

Speer Gold Dot .380 ACP 90 gr Ammo Test

AMMO TEST: .380 ACP Remington Golden Saber 102 gr JHP


There are more from in 380 as well as other calibers..

The only other who I would mention is .

You wont go wrong either way.


The 380 verse a 9mm +P?? is a HUGE! DIFFERENCE!!

Same wieght for carry.


Try this instead!! full auto(ish) 12 gauge!


Good Luck!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:49 | 2285861 Frankie Carbone
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JW. Dem's some fine rounds and I personally have at least one box (more like at least 6-10 LOL) of each in my stash. 

Do yourself a favor though. Try those Buffalo Bores. It's nice ammo. Coupla friends at my gun club turned me on to them. When I told my instructor about them, he popped the mag on his 40 xD and showed me a handful of them in his piece. 

Best customer service I have ever experienced, bar none.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:04 | 2285895 economics9698
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That's a good price.  I will try anything.  I use Federal and PCM mostly.  Remington for the shot gun.  Winchester.  Name brand.  I will give the Buffalo’s a try.

I totally agree that with a 380 or any cc you need to have top of the line ammo.  One jam and you are dead.  I am not so concerned that one shot takes someone down.  I was trained to double tap.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:29 | 2285914 Frankie Carbone
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Tis true. I'd rather shoot a perp in the eyeball with a 22 short than try to beat him unconscious with a jammed 45.  Try that Midway site. True story. Last year I bought a new chrony from them (125 bucks) and well, forgot about it. It was standard shipping so I figured I'd see it in 5-7 business days. 

Four days later I get a letter of apology from Midway along with a $35 product voucher. 

They *ghast!*, erred in their shipping dept and shipped it out 24 hours later than expected. THAT is why they sent me the money and the apology. The chrony still arrived within the expected timeframe. 

Had a problem with UPS. Complained to Midway. THEY called UPS and made them call me, and then Midway sent me a voucher for $25. I donated that to their NRA fund. 

I have 100-200 orders with them in my history. Those are the only two hiccups I ever experienced, and look at how they handled them. 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:33 | 2285926 Frankie Carbone
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@econ. Did you read that company review of their ammo? That shit is funny. Truth is, THEY ARE ALL like that.  

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:19 | 2286748 JW n FL
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Frankie Carbone

JW. Dem's some fine rounds and I personally have at least one box (more like at least 6-10 LOL) of each in my stash.

Do yourself a favor though. Try those Buffalo Bores. It's nice ammo. Coupla friends at my gun club turned me on to them. When I told my instructor about them, he popped the mag on his 40 xD and showed me a handful of them in his piece.

Best customer service I have ever experienced, bar none.

Buffalo Bore is a Fav of people who own 10mm that dont have the time to hand load. <--- watching this guy is like talking to your favorite neighbor out on the farm! or maybe even  like an Uncle.. depending on where you come from..

But to the point.. he LOVES Buffalo Bore and uses the ammo in almost everything he shots..

the +P in .380 is not something I had seen before.. but its there.. 1025 fps out of a 2.75 inch barrel is respectable.. DAMN! RESPECTABLE!!

and considering that Buffalo Bore is using Barnes Bullets.. what you are really getting is a custom hand load from a manufacturer..


as far as midway goes.. Love them. never an issue.. ever.. of any kind.. and if I did have and issue I am sure they would be all over it..

the only downside to midway is if you are on their emailing list.. which you can opt out of easily enough.. but some of the deals you DO NOT! want to miss. now that everyone is buying guns the deals are going to be harder to come by.

Good Luck and God Bless You and Yours!

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 09:31 | 2288186 g speed
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I found some Dupont powder laying around and loaded some 44 spl 200 gr j.h.p. with 16grs of IMR 4227 and WLP -- wakes up my hammerless 4in  -shoots like a 44mag-- very nice for close work--   This is an old style +P --don't try this at home kids-- the CUP gets a little high --i stop adding grs when the primers start to push out but then my hammerless is in top condition.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:14 | 2287219 youngman
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The price listed includes shipping....good stuff...changes all the time...they have high quality...and also plinking ammo....

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:53 | 2286019 Element
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Be of good cheer;

demand = green shoots

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:55 | 2286341 duo
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would you go with the 100 gr or 90 gr?  I have an LCP also

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:21 | 2286554 ElvisDog
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It's all about the FPS, baby......

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:54 | 2285207 Sudden Debt
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Sounds cool :)

I even tried to buy a gun on the web in pieces, a barrel here, a trigger here... None of them got shipped. You can't even buy a pin.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:02 | 2285236 Dre4dwolf
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you can always buy a lathe and a press ;) and start manufacturing them, guns don't have that many moving parts.... really its quite simple.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:12 | 2285284 Red Heeler
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What our man needs is a zip gun:

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:24 | 2285503 peekcrackers
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lead & iron the other white meat

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:47 | 2285765 smiler03
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Sudden Debt...

You have totally lost credibility with me. Your boss takes a $120m bonus. You buy gold & silver every month.. blah blah blah...

You live in Belgium, adjacent to the NL and D and F. You can't even find a "pin"? ..

Take a fucking break from your multimillionaires coffee room and step into reality.


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:15 | 2285812 Papasmurf
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That's no gonna have any recoil...


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:11 | 2285279 ffart
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I'm holding out for 3D printing technology to get better, so I can just download a PDF of one of these and send it to my automated machine shop ==>

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:35 | 2285367 Sudden Debt
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That gun looks like a tank without wheels :)

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:48 | 2285403 Dr. Engali
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That's a hell of a gun. Is that a 20 mm? I'll bet it costs a fortune to shoot.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 03:09 | 2286147 RafterManFMJ
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:49 | 2285405 Reptil
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small size crossbow. perfectly legal.

or join a shooting club. keep the gun(s) in their lockers, otherwise the Rijkswacht will have to regular checks on you.

I don't really think they're that concerned with it though. A cheap hunter shotgun with sawn off barrel is quite effective at short range.

I live in the middle of a city so no firearms for me.

My brain is supposed to be my defence.

(not in that way LOL ;-)

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:24 | 2285502 Xibalba
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They make nice toys.  Toys that save your life when threatended by an unarmed Hoodie walking home from the grocer.  

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:10 | 2285620 CompassionateFascist
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Or - provided you're locally networked - when the DHS/ATF comes calling. Tragic about the Hoodie, incidentally. Had the racial terms been reversed, we'd have heard - as usual - not a peep from the Jewish MSM. Cf.: Knoxville Horror.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:15 | 2285626 Svener
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We have a recent glut of right wing fruit cakes. Mostly white middle age men screaming the world is ending. So instead of taking the little blue pill they mistake that guns will solve the problem. They no longer own the world and that is a horrible reality to come to grips with on top of the usual middle age problems.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:32 | 2285653 arby63
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I would shove that little blue pill so far up your ass you would wish you had a Sturm Ruger.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:19 | 2285816 AldousHuxley
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white folks.....



White suburbian women: give us equal opportunity to work just like men and not sit at home.

Black ghetto women: I've been working all my life, I wish I could be a stay at home mother and take care of my children



White suburbian men: world is ending, buy guns, gold, and canned food

Black ghetto men: I want to get away from the street hell full of gangs with guns, gold rims, eating nothing but canned food into a nice white suburb.



Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:58 | 2286025 Raymond Reason
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American coins clever universal truism.

The rest of the world doesn't get it. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 19:59 | 2287426 CompassionateFascist
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Black ghettoes are Hell...because Blacks live there. Proof: as soon as they relocate to a White Suburb, White Suburb deteriorates into Black Ghetto. Cf.: Detroit. Same reason Mexico is such a pesthole: Mexicans. Or Wall St.: Jew (and other) banksters. Just think of it as human bio-diversity. We all should celebrate diversity.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:59 | 2285697 GeezerGeek
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It's easy to make nonsensical comments when one has a completely empty mind. Zimmerman, the shooter, is not a white middle age man, as you seem to imply. He is in his late 20s and is Hispanic. Or so I read. Crawl back under your rock.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:05 | 2285794 smiler03
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Junk before reading.

He's probably white, over 16, killed before and shoots you before you even know he is there.

Ever consider that?

Of course not. You're on hopium!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:20 | 2285819 AldousHuxley
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most people who killed a human being before have deep regrets because they come to understand that it was pawn killing another pawn



Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:14 | 2286105 socalat_Kruger's
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over here even police don't carry guns. u can get a hunting rifle with the right background check but nothing else. a murder makes the front page. i'm pretty cool with that, take ur 2nd ammendment freedom and shove it. it wont protect you from the state tyranny anyway.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:12 | 2287213 sun tzu
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all those police in norway without guns and 90 people massacred. take your police state and shove it up your ass

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:11 | 2286532 sun tzu
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You're wrong on all counts lib moron twat. Look up his picture and you will see he's hispanic. Dark hair, skin and eyes. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:53 | 2286792 DosZap
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sun tzu

You're wrong on all counts lib moron twat. Look up his picture and you will see he's hispanic. Dark hair, skin and eyes

Yes he is hispanic, and has family members that are Black.

Sound like a racist?,only the two there know what went down.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:13 | 2287216 sun tzu
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there is also one witness, which is why he wasn't arrested. they saw the innocent angel pummeling zimmerman on the ground

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 09:06 | 2286355 Don Diego
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exactly, Zimmerman is a dago despite his german name

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:15 | 2287221 sun tzu
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dago is italian. zimmerman is latino you moron. try the looking up the facts instead of the repeating the lamestream media idiocy. take a look at his picture and come back and tell us that he's white

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 21:04 | 2287572 10mm
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Im half Italian half Indian,Im from the Woppa aho Tribe.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:08 | 2285795 Ima anal sphincter
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Actually guns WILL solve the problem.

Try as they may.......guns will never be outlawed in this country. Maybe those wimp states in the northeast and la-la-land will have them banned, but not in the heartland. It is from the heartland that the move to "expel" the traitors will start.

You sound like a pussy. When the call is made, I'm sure you won't answer.

I'm a middle aged white man. I own guns. Come for them and they'll be in use.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:09 | 2285800 smiler03
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Appropriate name, can I call you asshole for short?

The bad guys are armed too and they are more skilled and ruthless than you. They may not take your gold but they will take your life, and probably your wife.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:37 | 2285852 Frankie Carbone
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You don't know WTF you are talking about. They are not more skilled. Most middle-aged white men, such as myself, are in a nice enough income earning position, and at an age of responsibility where we both seek out training, take advantage of it, and last of all practice a LOT. I don't mean just shooting at bullseye rings. 

I'm confident that my training is superior to some dumb fuck high school dropout. First, I never learned bad shooting habits. Second, I put 10,000 rounds a year down range. Third, I know what mucle memory is, what the meaning of "reptilian brain response" to imminent danger is, and I am mature enough to take those aspects very seriously. Fourth, I actively work to hone my skills, never being satisfied with my present level of competence. 

Ohh, don't confuse ruthlessness with determination. My determination, and training, will make me a foe that your ruthless scumbag may very well wish he never tangled with. 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:51 | 2285874 UP Forester
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Don't bother with the Asshat.  Just another pot-stirring shill paid to rile you up.

Just remember, there are a lot of vets in the country, and more rural than city, that know the who, what, where, when, why and how of defensive set-ups.  There are some whacked-out, fucked-up culls that make it in, but for the most part they're stand-up folks.  Link up with some, because it's hard to beat the training that was done for a living and made second nature.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 04:13 | 2286182 AnAnonymous
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First, I never learned bad shooting habits. Second, I put 10,000 rounds a year down range. Third, I know what mucle memory is, what the meaning of "reptilian brain response" to imminent danger is, and I am mature enough to take those aspects very seriously. Fourth, I actively work to hone my skills, never being satisfied with my present level of competence.


In US citizen economics, just like standing armies, guns are capital. Primary uses of capital determines the best return on capital.

Guns are designed with an intent and the intent is certainly not yours which includes using guns for their primary intent.

No matter how bad others might be, they put their guns to use and generate revenues with them, reinvest part of it tor buy and better their armament while you divert revenues to build up an arsenal which is never been put to use to serve its primary intent.

Mind you, if it had to happen, your targets will seldom be the guys you claim to be, there would be the usual suspects thanks to ganging consensus and gunless people.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:13 | 2285899 Ima anal sphincter
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May I call you "dumb-ass"? 100 million+ true Americans. 50K shitheads. Pretty fine odds to me

I don't practice as much as Mr Carbone, but I'll still take 100 shit-shots vs 5 experts. Unless of course it's Rambo. I bet you want to be just like Rambo. Don't you little man? Run along and play now. Bye

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:33 | 2285925 palmereldritch
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"The bad guys are armed too and they are more skilled and ruthless than you. They may not take your gold but they will take your life, and probably your wife."

I'm pretty sure it was those guys that the Founding Fathers had in mind when they devised the Second Amendment to provide the opportunity for citizens to defend  life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from tyranny, in all forms.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 10:19 | 2288239 Sauk Leader
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I feel sorry for all of you. All this gun talk and not one mention of the best reason for owning one, duck hunting. Most people who own guns in America use them to kill food. It is just as important to know how to clean and store deer meat than it is to kill it. It will be an interesting site to see when "stupid" rural folk are the only ones who can ride it out when TSHTF

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:16 | 2285977 Dread Nought
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I am a middle aged white man, live in the west, born in Lousiana. Got my first 22 when I was 6, always thought of a gun as just another tool.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:51 | 2286016 Lednbrass
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As do the majority of white men outside the northeast and west coast who started going to the range in elementary school. Its the pussy urban "white boys" from those areas who think bangers are scary and skilled with weapons. If it came down to it, who is gonna win- the guy who has been shooting since he was a child or the hood rat who has never been on a range and thinks a handgun is a real weapon?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:23 | 2286441 Ima anal sphincter
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Very nice....+100 for that one.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 14:10 | 2286827 Freddie
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In the 1950s and maybe even early 1960s, New York City high schools had target shooting teams with .22.  I think kids on the team could carry their rifle to school. It was normal and everyone was more responsible then.  No everyone is a victim or is not responsible.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:28 | 2286119 ironsky
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The bad guys can't even get their asses out of bed before noon. They are impossible to discipline and will probably kill each other before they get around to you. They'll also be busy stealing food from their own communities when truckers can not or will not deliver food to the cities. What's with all this homoerotic glorification of a mob which outside the cities will easily be destroyed in detail. They only function at all because directly or indirectly, they are wards of the state. They are destructive pathogens. Away from the major cities they will disappear without a trace. Their only hope of continued existence is that the fascist state prevails.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 04:15 | 2286183 AnAnonymous
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AH, the bad guys will be exclusively gangers.

Well, the US military in case of economic collapse will also miss a few pay checks.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:14 | 2286541 sun tzu
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Will they turn on their family and kill their parents for food? 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:07 | 2286152 RafterManFMJ
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The bad guys are armed too and they are more skilled and ruthless than you. They may not take your gold but they will take your life, and probably your wife.


I frankly hate the riduclous use of the term 'bad guys' in any use, anytime.  You even hear the President or the SeCDef using it - like they are speaking to a group of retards.  You hear and read it all the time - 'gotta keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys.' Just creeps me out; like our 'leaders' assume they are talking to retarded children.

Also, hate the use of the phrase 'War on..' as in war on drugs, war on poverty, etc.  It just might be we haven't won a war since '45 because we no longer know what the fuck we are talking about, as the phrase is overused and applied to things that are not wars.  Come to think of it, we also lost the war on drugs, the war on poverty...

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 04:43 | 2286205 Gringo Viejo
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Smiler: I'm an old man, not middle aged. I assure you, you've no idea of how ruthless a man approaching "expectancy" can be if that which he loves is threatened. Disclosure: I love America.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:24 | 2286307 Trimbeaux
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If your not ready to give your life for freedom, including the death of your loved ones, you are all ready a slave.

That is what it comes down too, whether you are willing to die for your freedom more than anything else in this world.

Otherwise we are all cowards if we submit to tyranny and accept our servitude to these mercenaries and fascists.

The skilled, ruthless, soulless tyrant will lose if we are willing to lay down our lives for freedom, it might take a long time

and many killed, but they will lose.


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:16 | 2286548 sun tzu
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TPTB need to remember what happened to the French royalty and Czar Nicholas and his entire family. If TSHTF it won't be the bleeding heart liberals and sociologists in charge. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:06 | 2286726 DosZap
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The bad guys are armed too and they are more skilled and ruthless than you

Yep, more skilled???.........doubtful in tons of cases,ruthless??, wanna see folks go Full Mode Rambo on some ass  DARE to come after their family.


Sun, 03/25/2012 - 10:01 | 2288216 Sauk Leader
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Bad guys do not know how to shoot. That's why they hit children

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:28 | 2286113 socalat_Kruger's
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eugenics take on guns - poor people killing poor people has some darwinian logic to it, they do breed faster so maybe guns help slow them down a bit eh?



some friendly advice/propaganda from the russkies


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:41 | 2286777 JW n FL
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if you bounce the Russkies Propaganda off of the Home Grown Propaganda off of the Zionists Propaganda and then look at how they all fit together to promote movement in a singular direction.. you may not be happy with what you see,,

The Muslims are a Tool of the Government of the Untied States.


and the Zionists.. Push the Muslims.. whether it be in Palestine or in Iran.. thru funding other Terrorists.

All so America can FEAR! the Terrorists.. and thusly providing the energy needed to tear down the Rights of ALL! Americans!

The Propaganda of the Russkies..

The Russians want the Middle East to go up in Flames!

The Russians are the 2nd Largest Oil Producers in the World!

and with the Middle East being shaded with a Dimona Provided Mushroom Cloud (that was NOT! IAEA Approved, EVER!) the Russians Oil becomes "O" So Much More Valuable!

I would go so far as to say that Russia is then the World Super Power! Because only Russia can feed her own Energy needs for organic growth.

The Natural Resources in Russia are equal too if not beyond that of Canada.

America sold everything except Alaska.. that is ALL WE HAVE LEFT! in any substantial amount.

So.. the Game is NOT! Checkers.. it is Not just Russkie Propaganda.

it is chess. multi-dimensional chess on multiple boards all spinning around the gravitational pull of Petroleum and men’s egos.


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:22 | 2285824 Papasmurf
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We wouldn't want to mistake right wing fruit cakes who earned themselves a living with left wing fruilt loops who think the world owes them a living.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:00 | 2286087 weinerdog43
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That's because reich wingers are really fruits who need a gun to make up for their tiny penis. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:11 | 2286419 Bendromeda Strain
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ZH is edgy > ZH is mainstream > ZH jumps the shark.

The fact that a homosexual feels comfortable exhibiting such projection on a firearms thread shows that the process proceeds apace. Shame, that. However, if it made you feel better to expel that into the ether, then bully for you.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:18 | 2286550 sun tzu
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You limp wrist, limp dick, brainwashed lefturds shut the fuck up and get out the way. Everyone else will take care of business when it comes time.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 14:19 | 2286841 Freddie
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What is sort of interesting about the explosion in gun sales - the populace may be getting a lot more worried and they may also be getting more conservative.  

Remember the Rodney King riots?  If you were in LA and needed a cop - good luck with that.  You had people in LA and surronding areas flooding into gun stores. They had to wait (3 days at the time??) and were freaking out.  They were trying to find anything to defend themsleves.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:54 | 2286788 JW n FL
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That's because reich wingers are really fruits who need a gun to make up for their tiny penis.

I Pray! Every!! Day!!! that you are correct!


let us all pray that guns are never needed to defend ourselves or our freedom from a corrupt government filled with Lobby Whores!


but just because I Hope and Pray that a Hurricane does NOT strike Florida.. doesn’t mean I don’t have a Hurricane Kit.. just in case one does Blow in.


The same can be said for gun ownership.. just because you don’t want bad things to happen to good people.. doesn’t mean you should not be able to stop bad things from happening to good people.


looking the other way while people Suffer is NOT! an option for some people.


some people are a Moral Code that Drives them to help their Fellow Man whenever and where ever possible.. including from less than favorable odds.


So, Let us ALL Pray that you are correct.. in saying that guns are un-needed.


But for those of you who believe in being prepared.. God Bless You! and God Love You!! for being able to provide safety to yourself and others in a time of need!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:18 | 2285633 BackOffice Slut
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or nice toys to rob 2 drunk brits whom stumbled innocently into the wrong neighborhood, and then unload the clip when they beg for their lives and tell you they have no money. See what i did there?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:19 | 2286551 sun tzu
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I didn't see the Rev Al Shitton, Jesse Jackasson, or Broke 0bozo make any public statements when that happened. 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:30 | 2285525 SilverRhino
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You can make a single shot shotgun with a couple of pieces of pipe, a nail and some wood and duct tape. 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:11 | 2285805 smiler03
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And the cartridge? 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:28 | 2285833 smiler03
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or home made, don't forget the charcoal, sulfur, potassium hydroxide, ammonium nitrate and lead.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:36 | 2285931 FeralSerf
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Yep, you would think that people that believe they're going to need firepower after the global collapse would take a few chemistry courses and learn about nitrates and IEDs.

The only real threat to TPTB's military is asymmetrical warfare -- where the other side doesn't "fight fair" by using cheap, homemade nasties against their million $$$ hitech weapons.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:21 | 2285987 UP Forester
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You mean like making ANFO out of chicken shit instead of fertilizer?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 04:18 | 2286188 AnAnonymous
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The only real threat to TPTB's military is asymmetrical warfare --


Threat to the military institution? Made me laugh.

US citizens have not the required mettle to engage such an enemy.

There is no treat to the military institution coming from US citizens.

US citizens stock up guns to perform their usual tricks, which they feel they are prevented from performing by the big bad government.

Mind you, one deep cause of the US war for independence was the adamant King's will to protect the Indians' property rights.

US citizen nature is eternal. The same drive, the same motive to be expected today.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 05:46 | 2286227 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Mind you, one deep cause of the US war for independence was the adamant King's will to protect the Indians' property rights.

Same old song. Chinese citizenism and Chinese citizenism comments.

More creating a strawsman,

More kicking a can.

More inventing all kinds of baseless stories that has very little connection with the most straightforward connection to reality.

More fabled past.

More pretending that Chinese citizenism citizens are interested in humanity well being.

Next will you tell of that the contact with US citizens is what sunk the Easter Islanders? Waooo, that is quite thick.

US citizen nature is eternal. The same drive, the same motive to be expected today.

Non sense, constant denial of facts. Lie over lie. Chinese citizenism citizens can not make sense within Chinese citizenism.


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 06:41 | 2286250 ffart
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Yeah, you're definitely some kind of imbecile. The war was fought because most americans were used to living some kind of anarchistic lifestyle and the King was sending increasing numbers of troops to force them to pay taxes. Noone on either side of the atlantic gave a shit about the indians or anyone else but themselves. Is this what Chinese public school teachers? Thank god most of them who come over here don't register to vote. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 07:44 | 2286275 AnAnonymous
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I doubt that Chinese schools teach that bit of history.

George Washington was eyeing on the indian lands from the start.

Anarchistic lifestyle? In the thirteen colonies back in 1770?

Better not to go at school. Imagination serves enough.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:28 | 2286310 nmewn
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"George Washington was eyeing on the indian lands from the start."

Hah, made me laugh...the clan of Aisin Gioro Citizenism eternal.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:57 | 2286343 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

I doubt that Chinese schools teach that bit of history.

Chinese citizenism schools teach that George Washington was eyeing on the Easter Island lands from the start.

Anarchistic lifestyle? In the thirteen colonies back in 1770?

Made me laugh. Tell us now that Ben Franklin invented time traveling flying rickshaw for George Washington to go back in time to sink the Easter Islanders before 1776, July, 4th. Taking the 13 colonies and to be compared with Easter Island total land, going to settle in these places to bring the light of US citizenism?

Better not to go at school. Imagination serves enough.

Yeah, sure. That is the path to follow steadfastly to glorify Chinese citizenism, to justify blobbing up of PR of C on the behalf of humanity, to hide behind the group of Chinese citizenism in order to dilute their responsibility.

That is what Chinese citizenism citizens do. Facts are only facts when they are acknowledged by Chinese citizenism citizens.


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:21 | 2286426 Bendromeda Strain
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I thought Bonanza glorified Chinese citizenism... much was learned from great philosopher Hop Sing.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:56 | 2286611 ffart
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Imagination serves enough.

Thanks, that will put all your future comments into perspective for me.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 10:17 | 2288237 g speed
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GW got his big start in the French and Indian wars by defending King G,s claim to the new world--He fought the French regulars and Indian tribes that the French bought and used to try to depose the english from the "new lands". The English used Indian tribes and guides and spies as well.  GW made such a splash that the CC offered him the top job in the Cont Army--


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:01 | 2286514 tmosley
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"Hur dur, if you wur born on a particulur patch o land, den you r sum kinda evil munster dat is also supur week, an wud never do wut evry1 else duz in givin duh same circumstances."

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 03:21 | 2286155 RafterManFMJ
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I'm not worried as I saved to DVR that Star Trek episode where Kirk shot that Sleestack looking alien with diamonds from his homemade cannon.  I figure I can easily mimic what he did, and use broken beer bottles instead of gemstones.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:35 | 2285849 JW n FL
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Sudden Debt

I even tried to buy a gun on the web in pieces, a barrel here, a trigger here... None of them got shipped. You can't even buy a pin. <---- Guns in stock..

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:30 | 2285920 FeralSerf
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If you really want one, why don't you take a vacation to Finland this summer?  There's plenty of them there.  You can also buy guns across the border in Russia for export -- fully automatic ones the last time I was there.  Surely you know how to sneak across a border.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 04:05 | 2286177 Martel
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Plenty of guns in Finland, but not available for a random tourist. Not availabe for Finns either, without a gun permit. If you try to buy it from some hunter along the way, he'll probably turn you to the police. Smuggling from Russia? Pick your customs point very, very carefully. Finland is not the easiest one in any sense.

If I really, really wanted a gun in a country with strict gun laws, I'd go the 3D printing way. Not many of the parts need to be milled from steel. Manufacturing a good barrel is difficult, though. A plus side of 3D printing is you can go full-auto. Sten and similar full-auto guns were manufactured already 70 years ago by normal workshop people. Since then, workshop technology has improved and become available for everyone. If you have any metal workshop experience and access to proper tools, you could manufacture a full-auto gun by yourself relatively easily.

Acquiring ammo can be a problem, though.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:55 | 2285378 The Navigator
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re Gatling Guns - here's one that is made from 2 x Ruger 10/22's AND it not illegal, yet.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:29 | 2285836 smiler03
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My neighbors penis is bigger than yours.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:37 | 2286127 MolotovCockhead
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"My neighbors penis is bigger than yours."

Haha....I bet you found the fact out the hard way or did you enjoyed his company so much, you started caressing his dick?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:30 | 2286450 Central Bankster
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More like he found out by sucking it.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 12:25 | 2286671 DosZap
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re Gatling Guns - here's one that is made from 2 x Ruger 10/22's AND it not illegal, yet.


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:55 | 2285209 johnu1978
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I've always been a big fan of the Mini-14. It's a great little rifle!


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Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:57 | 2285216 HelluvaEngineer
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See my note below.  If you plan on shooting past 50 yds, avoid them.  Many of the mags also jam.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:33 | 2285539 ExpendableOne
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Look for the newer ones with the fluted and heavier barrel.  Cheaper than an AR15 and shoots the same ammo.  If you cant' afford one of those, look for a yugo SKS.  Same ammo as an AK and more accurate ($250.00 or less).

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:01 | 2285600 HelluvaEngineer
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Yes. Fluting.  That's the trick.  You might want to Google "that dog won't hunt".

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:13 | 2285625 CompassionateFascist
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I don't favor automatic rifles. Too many bullets/kill. M1A is the acme of weapons for what's coming.

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