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Fourth Largest Gun Maker In US Is Out Of Guns

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In a somewhat sad and shocking slap of reality to the face of our 'recovery' and 'freedom-based-debt-holdings', today's press-release-of-the-day (since we still haven't heard from BATS) goes to Sturm, Ruger (the 4th largest gun-maker in the US) who after receiving orders for over one million units in Q1 has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.


Forget PCLN, CRM, NFLX, here's where the real action is!

RGR is up a whopping 571% from Nov 07 while the S&P 500 is down 3%...


Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. Reports Strong First Quarter Bookings

March 21, 2012

Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR), announced today that for the first quarter 2012, the Company has received orders for more than one million units. Therefore, the Company has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.


Chief Executive Officer Michael O. Fifer made the following comments:


The Company's Retailer Programs that were offered from January 1, 2012 through February 29, 2012 were very successful and generated significant orders from retailers to independent wholesale distributors for Ruger firearms.


Year-to-date, the independent wholesale distributors placed orders with the Company for more than one million Ruger firearms.

Despite the Company's continuing successful efforts to increase production rates, the incoming order rate exceeds our capacity to rapidly fulfill these orders. Consequently, the Company has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.

The Company expects to resume the normal acceptance of orders by the end of May 2012.

The Company will announce its results and file its Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for the first quarter of 2012 on Tuesday, May 1, 2012, after the close of the stock market.


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Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:11 | 2285722 LasVegasDave
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you can still buy romanian AKs for under $500.

1000 rds of cheap russian ammo is under $250 delivered.

add a 75 rd drum and you are nicely outfitted for about the cost of a tube of canadian maples.

Or for the same price you can go saiga 12 gauge.

no need to miss when trayvon comes over your wall with his hoodie friends

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:20 | 2285727 CompassionateFascist
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Yep. Have to admit it. I'm pre-judiced when it comes to critters with names like "Trayvon", "Leshawn", & etc.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:13 | 2285900 mr. mirbach
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What exactly do you have against somebody named after a disease, a body part a food additive or a carpet fiber?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 11:23 | 2286557 sun tzu
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If I had a body part called trayvon, I'd have it surgically removed. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:09 | 2287202 Lednbrass
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Ahh, well at least now I know where the names come from.  I thought it was just pulling two or three random syllables from a hat, putting the accent on the second one and slapping it on a kid.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:22 | 2285823 10mm
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Saiga 12 with a MD Arms 20 rnd Drum Mag,now were cookin with gas.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:35 | 2285748 Arrowhead
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For what's coming, it won't matter what caliber or action, it will be a matter of do you have the balls to pull the trigger. Not to disagree with your choice of iron.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:52 | 2285777 LasVegasDave
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make sure you donate generously when your local DA runs for re-election.

Cash, not SNAP cards.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:30 | 2285827 10mm
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You pull a gun out,you better fuckin use it.If your life is in iminate danger,if your life is threatened by one or more, you defend yourself,period.And you articulate what happened,and it better be right.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:47 | 2285858 Frankie Carbone
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You must be in genuine fear for your life, or at risk of grave bodily harm. That applies to you, or ANYONE else in the immediate vicinity of you (the law allows you to step into the shoes of the victim and act in his defense if you feel that life or limb is at risk for the innocent). 

Other than that, keep the goddamn gun in its holster. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:17 | 2286109 Whats that smell
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?if I give you the stink eye you shoot cause you skeeered?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 06:36 | 2286245 Frankie Carbone
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Quit being obtuse. There is such a thing as a "reasonable person" standard. For example, a case law in Florida involved two neighbors that got into a dispute that turned ugly. The first neighbor started beating the second one with a garden hose. He retaliated by shooting, and killing the first neighbor. It went to a grand jury, then trial, and he was convicted of second degree murder. It was concluded that getting a whipping with a garden hose did not put the person in imminent danger of loss of life or grave bodily harm (the later defined as permanent, debilitating physical injury) and therefore the standard of law required for implementing deadly force was not met. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 03:26 | 2286157 RafterManFMJ
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You pull a gun out,you better fuckin use it.If your life is in iminate danger,if your life is threatened by one or more, you defend yourself,period.And you articulate what happened,and it better be right.

Fail. You do not "articulate" an FIN thing to the cops. Not one FIN thing. You say 'I realize this is a serious incident' and you lawyer up; only an imbecile talks to the cops.

Dont Talk to Police

Watch this video and it just may keep you out of the pokey.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 07:00 | 2286256 Frankie Carbone
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1, KNOW the law when it comes to self defense. 

2. Get Concealed Carry Insurance. You may be justified, but still charged, and you'll need a 100K to defend yourself. 

3. My rule is "if the gun has to come out, then someone - by necesssity - is probably going to die". In other words, if it comes out then someone is getting shot, otherwise it stays concealed.  Even then, it's not that simple. Any self defense shooting is a homicide event.  But since you admit to shooting someone, it's automatically homicide. The question then becomes for the government to ascertain whether it was justifiable. If they suspect it was not, or you have a politically motivated prosecutor, then you're risking a life of ass rape in the hoosegow. TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. The second worst thing to being killed in a crime is being dragged through the court system wondering if your going to the pokey. Is anyone here really looking forward to that situation?

4. Even the most hardened bastard has a mother. And that is going to circulate in the back of your head for the rest of your life. Not fun I would imagine. 

5. Call 911, ask for an ambulance and the police. You should ask for an ambulance. You don't carry a firearm to kill an attacker. You carry it to STOP him from harming  or killing you. If your motive it to kill a criminal then do yourself a favor, leave it at home and get pepper spray instead. I want to be the better man. I want whoever I had to shoot to know that I did not stoop to his level of barbarity, that I will get him help, so that he can be eventually tried and put away so that society won't have to deal with him. I will NOT be his executioner, nor would I ever want to be. To me, that is the mind of a murderer, not a man defending himself. 

6. Then call your attorney. You do have your attorney chosen and on speeddial, right? If not then good luck figuring that one out in the 3-5 minutes you have before the law shows up. 

7. Tell the officers this: "Sir, I was just involved in a very serious situation, and I am sure that you can understand that I need a few moments to pull myself together (and you will). You'll will absolutely have my full cooperation once I have spoken to my attorney." Then shut the fuck up. Your lawyer on the phone would have already told you to shut the fuck up. If the police badger you, tell them that you called your attorney and he told you to shut the fuck up until he is at your side.  

8. Don't touch the crime scene. That is evidence that will exonerate YOU. Why are you messing with it, even accidentally? 

You are not going to be in a good state of mind if - God forbid - you have to by necessity use lethal force. Know the law, and the proper procedures IN ADVANCE. 

Mon, 03/26/2012 - 02:16 | 2290097 mr. mirbach
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If there are no witnesses or surveillance cameras, pick up your brass and briskly leave the scene.

You think some thug(s) that intend(s) you harm is going to hang around and call 911 after they f*ck you up? 


Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:42 | 2286321 10mm
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I agree,you do lawyer up.But you will eventually will have to explain yourself and or articulate the event.And it better be right.Just because you lawyer up,you will have to provide your actions eventually.Some cases will be clear cut,some not.My point was and Carbone said it right,keep that gun in it's holster UNLESS you are under the fear of lossing your life and or serious bodily injury.Your point with police is correct though.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:43 | 2285674 UP Forester
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Hmmm....  Chambered for 5.56, accept .223 just as well, will eat anything, will fire for prolonged periods without cleaning, not prone to jamming with Ruger mags, and wooden butt-stock doubles as a nice club.

But I see you'll stick to a plastic fantastic.  Stick to your black rifle, I had enough of that pain-in-the-ass in the Army.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:03 | 2285704 HelluvaEngineer
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I don't rely on any AR pattern weapons.  By extension, I don't count on any .223 pattern weapons.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:11 | 2285971 Sabibaby
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SGL21 is a good choice but it's 7.62x39

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:58 | 2286024 Axenolith
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It's unhealthy to shoot NATO spec 5.56 in a .223 rifle, the chamber pressures are to high for the .223's and it will fk them up, possibly dramatically after X rounds.  The Mini 14 is OK for it, because it's designed to the NATO SAAMI specifications.

By your moniker, Yer an engineer fer shitsakes, don't you know this stuff?  Unless your a civil... ;-)

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:46 | 2285681 Uncle Remus
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Damn, all the Ruger hate. Tack driver it's not, but when things get ugly, it'll deliver the lead and the dead. I said on here before, a mini-14 will eat just about any ammo I've put through it, Lake City, Eastern Europe and Russian. I can make a 3.5 hard drive useless @ 100yds with iron sites even with these tired eyes. A head is bigger than a hard drive as is center mass. It'll also put food on the table if it had too

I toted an M16 and I hear it has improved since the Mattel days. An M1A and the requisite ammo would be ideal.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:05 | 2285709 HelluvaEngineer
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Also, let's all remember that we're on the same team.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:31 | 2285846 smiler03
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Speak for yourself. What a ridiculous assumption. Psychopaths read this too. Sure they're on your side, never.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 10:31 | 2286452 Central Bankster
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I know whatever side you're on, will be losing.  Pussy.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:22 | 2286752 DosZap
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If you can find one, buy an older used M1A if that is your preference.

SA M1A's are ,and have been made with bad parts for several years, the milsurp parts dried up, and they outsource to anyone.

Way better off w/ a FAL, AR 10, BM .308,etc................

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 12:19 | 2288455 Uncle Remus
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Yeah, Lee Emerson's list is interesting. I do like the punch and range of a .308.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:25 | 2285829 Papasmurf
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There are differences between the older and the newer mini-14 barrels.   Yes, the 30 rd mag jambs.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:28 | 2285343 spentCartridge
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I'd sell some of my gold for an M4, an AA12 and a nice Navy Sig (plus the requisite ammo), if I could and if I hadn't lost it all drinking scotch, smoking grass and playing poker.


The whores didn't get a look in :( and my old boat already has a hole in it. And it ain't moored up anywhere above AOD ...

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:25 | 2285509 Lednbrass
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FN Herstal has a nice manufacturing facility here in South Carolina, we do appreciate it!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:19 | 2285635 Skip
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Sudden Debt may I ask what country you reside in?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:38 | 2285751 JoeSexPack
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Think he mentioned Belgium.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:47 | 2285764 Jendrzejczyk
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Sat, 03/24/2012 - 03:14 | 2286150 Dave Thomas
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Belgium? BELGIUM?! Isn't that where Fabrique National pumps out more death dealing units than have ever lived in Belgium?

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 12:36 | 2286691 ZeroPoint
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Even if you don't like guns, I would suggest buying ammo. The prices are skyrocketing. Ammo has an ROI!!!!



Sat, 03/24/2012 - 14:32 | 2286856 Chuck Walla
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“We don't let them have ideas. Why would we let them have guns?”

 Joseph Stalin 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:46 | 2285166 Pladizow
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So what, the US government will simply lace all ammunition with an additive that renders all ammunition useless after say, 1 year.

Civilian ammo will have a hidden expiration date!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:53 | 2285201 HelluvaEngineer
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Buy corrosive ammunition today.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:56 | 2285213 Jendrzejczyk
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Or load your own.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:58 | 2285217 HelluvaEngineer
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5.45x39 is extremely underrated.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:12 | 2285282 12ToothAssassin
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Just like investing with money, diversify your precious metal investment:



.308 win (7.62 nato)

.223 win (5.56 nato)

.270 win

.338 lapua




.380 auto



38 special




Cant go wrong with a diversification like that


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:23 | 2285322 agent default
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A wide collection of calibers like that in your arsenal is wrong in a way of its own.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:15 | 2285458 12ToothAssassin
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Possibly a healthy dose of disinformation too. Cant be too paranoid y'know. Besides, who ever said that is my arsenal?


You know what they say about 'assume'... It makes an ASS of U and ME.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:47 | 2285571 Canucklehead
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Odds are he/she will always be able to find ammo.  Now if he/she reloads...

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:24 | 2285324 Dr. Engali
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I'm with you on that. Even if you don't have the guns make sure you have the ammo to barter .Unless of course you don't have a gun period ..., you don't want your own ammo shooting you.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:08 | 2285460 12ToothAssassin
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Wise beyond your PhD.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:55 | 2285553 noob
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"..., you don't want your own ammo shooting you."

…all around good advice.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:34 | 2285360 rosiescenario
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What, no 50BMG????? What are you, some sort of nancy boy???

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:43 | 2285388 The Navigator
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LOL - yeah, I was looking for a couple of those in his arsenal.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:11 | 2285720 NoClueSneaker
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... me thinks he hoards the grey tipped ones. ( Or they sunk in the tragical boat accident ).




Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:40 | 2285380 Dugald
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Impressive arsenal, please forgive academic far can you run carrying that lot, and with, I assume, your PM's,,,,,Nah, think you are just a show pony, get a hard on oiling and cleaning do you...pull the odd local shiela with the hord.....don't think I'd want you watching my back sport.

Not being rude, just saying....

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:52 | 2285415 The Navigator
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With 7 family members, it works out to be about 1 rifle (slung) and 1 hand gun (tucked) each, leaving 14 hands for carrying 7 ammo boxes and 7 pelican boxes of gold or silver.

Just sayin....

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:12 | 2285464 12ToothAssassin
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Here is someone not just thinking of themselves. 


Besides if you plan properly, you wont have to carry much because stuff will be stashed here and there. If your looking to lug your guns, ammo and PMs when SHTF then its too late.


Pitching a tent during the clean'n'oil is just a bonus.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:23 | 2285639 WonderDawg
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Could be that the reason for having an arsenal like that is so you don't have to run.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:46 | 2285682 UP Forester
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Arsenal is a made-up politician's word, outside of the English Football.

Sounds more like an average gun rack/safe around here.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:07 | 2285714 nmewn
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"...please forgive academic question...."

I always love these questions ;-)

To return an academic you really trust that you can dial 911 and have the police at your house faster than I can rack a slide?

If so, academics and a gated community is just the right place for you, always pondering the possibilities without ever having to bear the responsiblity of affirmative action, a completely contrived, perfect world of nuance to absolutely no rational purpose.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:45 | 2285941 SgtSchultz
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As they say, when seconds count the police are only minutes away.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:32 | 2285998 UP Forester
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Carry a gun.  A cop will give you a backache.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:57 | 2285427 Amish Hacker
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Just don't put all that ammo in your boat and go for a ride. There seems to be an epidemic of boating accidents among ZH-ers lately, frequently resulting in the irrecoverable loss of precious metals.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:13 | 2285724 NoClueSneaker
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... and Barret ammo ... :-P

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:33 | 2285848 10mm
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Sprinkle in some 10mm,it is in fact making a great comback.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:03 | 2285890 Frankie Carbone
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A fine list indeed. Almost perfect except that you missed two of the top 5 best selling rounds in history: 270 Win, and .30-06. 

308 is a damn damn fine round, but I personally like the 30-06 better because I handload and it gives me more bullet weight options. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:35 | 2286000 UP Forester
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And .30-30 Win.  A lever-action won't raise many eyebrows, and ammo can be found damn near any store that sells sporting goods.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:18 | 2286111 12ToothAssassin
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I included .270 and .30-30


30-06 would be a good add no doubt.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:29 | 2286120 UP Forester
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My bad.  Maths make me bleary-eyed....

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 03:29 | 2288007 12ToothAssassin
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The Winchester Model 1894 is quite underrated. Its relatively tiny and VERY accurate even with plain ol iron sights. Packs an enormous punch to boot. A very handy addition.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:41 | 2285379 General Decline
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Why do you recomend corrosive ammo?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:49 | 2285407 HelluvaEngineer
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It's the primers.  They will outlast you.  Milsurp Russian ammo from 1920 still shoots.  If you ever need them, clean your bolt + barrel with boiling water.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:24 | 2285508 johnQpublic
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carb cleaner my friend

just a can of gummout will do ya

oil it after

quik and dirty just like in theater

1 cav bitchez



Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:33 | 2285537 HelluvaEngineer
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thanks for the tip, brother

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:25 | 2285643 Uncle Remus
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Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:59 | 2286026 LFMayor
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windex works good too for corrosive primers, plus the ammonia is a nice copper solvent.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:01 | 2285957 Tapeworm
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I bought two crates- about 2000 rds. of 8mm (7.92) Mauser blanks about fifteen years ago because they were so cheap, say under four cents per round. The case is bright brass- same as regular rounds, so I bought them for the  primed cases. In a Mauser rifle they make a huge muzzle flash and the report is something else. The stuff is Persian with headstamp dates of 99 and 00. That would be 1899 and 1900 with some at 1898. They are corrosive as hell but I never had a misfire. They make nice giveaways because of the wooden bullet that is the same profile as the real thing. I tell the recipient that they are certified for vampire and zombie control.

 I never did anything with them, but do fire off a magazine every couple of years. Cleaning the rifle is a shove it in the toilet and brush the hell out of it.

 What you say about the old stuff of this type is pretty much true, although I did buy a crate of Belgian 7.92 (8mm) FN stuff from 1947 that has lousy primers.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 12:29 | 2286679 DosZap
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General Decline

Why do you recomend corrosive ammo?

Cheaper,much cheaper, and no big deal............wash the bore with warm soapy water........good as new.

Check out the price differences, for Sov bloc weapons you can get 5x's the rounds for the cost of American.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 12:32 | 2286680 DosZap
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General Decline

Why do you recomend corrosive ammo?

Cheaper,much cheaper, and no big deal............wash the bore with warm soapy water........good as new.

Check out the price differences, for Sov bloc weapons you can get 5x's the rounds for the cost of American.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:20 | 2285493 johnQpublic
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true that 5.45

cheap cheap cheap in sardine cans

in a '74' no hop accurate as fuck out to 300 and booya

i shoot clays w/that stuff all day for the price of 22

ever shoot clays w a semi non shotty ....didna thinkso

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 13:15 | 2286739 DosZap
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in a '74' no hop accurate as fuck out to 300 and booya


What 74?, Krebs? and what brand surplus.............Never heard of 5.45x39 being accurate at all.

This is the only rig I can imagine that might be

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:49 | 2285763 SubjectivObject
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For those who want to get into an imposing, effective, defensive weapon for cheap, the ~70-110 year old Mosin Nagant is a way to go.  It uses the currently fabulously cheap, powerful, and accurate 7.62x54 cartridge.  You can get an MN for ~100$.  Great long range accuracy, and a commanding report, that induces laughter more often than not.

Scroll to about 3/4 down the page:

Find out just why the Mosin is better than the AR or AK:

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:58 | 2285785 Jendrzejczyk
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Just remember to keep the bayonet on, most were sighted in with it attached.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 11:27 | 2286488 Hulk
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loose the bayonet, it makes the barrel "ring" , which reduces accuracy...

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:10 | 2285967 FeralSerf
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And you won't lose much if someone steals it or, like a lot of Russians, throw that club away because you're tired of carrying it. There's a reason the Czar bought so many of those things 100+ years ago -- they were cheap.

Do yourself a favor and spend a little more and buy a modern 7.62x51 like a Winchester Model 70, for example, or if you can't spend that much a Springfield 30-06, probably the best WW1 rifle there was.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:35 | 2285361 Stroke
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Wallmart now sells hollow point  for your 9mm and .38, and fairly priced

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:56 | 2285212 A Nanny Moose
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reloading FTW

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:00 | 2285700 Gamma735
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Most gun orders buy their ammo from China over the internet.  It is cheaper.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:14 | 2286107 BidnessMan
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Good thing I got my cases of 7.62 x 39 Eastern Bloc when I did....

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 12:01 | 2286621 DosZap
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So what, the US government will simply lace all ammunition with an additive that renders all ammunition useless after say, 1 year.

No, they are going to sign the UN small arms treaty, making it illegal to own ANY rifle or handguns that is semi automatic, and looks like a military clone, and then when they do sign it into law, the SHWHTF.

Amercians will not give them up........................get ready for the big one.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:00 | 2285233 seek
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I wish ZH could claim credit, but watching this with my own eyes, what's going on is a redux of Morpheus' speech in the Matrix:

... You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

A lot of the unawakened/sheep/proletariat are at exactly this spot. They know something is very wrong, and they know they're being lied too, even if they don't know what's wrong or what the lies are. But most importantly, they are percieving this as a threat, and they know they have an enemy among them. So they're buying guns, and, keeping with the theme... lots and lots of guns.

If they are ever given a clearly defined target and justification to act -- something I am sure the TPTB are trying to prevent with all their might -- man, is that going to be a show. Just hope if it does happen, it's the right target and a righteous justification.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:03 | 2285440 dwdollar
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No doubt this phenomenon is being watched and analyzed. Operation "Fast and Furious" was nothing more than a ruse to stir up anti-gun rhetoric so we know they are already working on solutions. Thankfully that plan backfired.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:58 | 2285594 fonzannoon
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and then they bought tvix...and now they are just fkin pissed.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:04 | 2285706 Hulk
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SHould be a law that with your first gun purchase, a zh membership is mandatory...

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:26 | 2286058 Tuco Benedicto ...
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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."


--Marcus Tullius Cicero Quote

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 15:21 | 2286917 Freddie
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TV, Hollywood and the media are the matrix.  It is their to make the sheep think everything is okay and Obama is a kind wise man. 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:39 | 2285935 lincolnsteffens
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Don't forget the NRA.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:00 | 2285956 batterycharged
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Actually, the demand is coming from Florida where apprarently it's legal to shoot and kill anyone you want.

Be wary of suspicious friends trying to entice you to Disneyland. Or just buy your own glock.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 09:33 | 2286375 Chump
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Handguns are worthwhile tools, but we're really going to need to buy up as many long rifles as possible.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:28 | 2285516 SilverRhino
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Oddly enough SWHC (Smith and Wesson) is only up 300% from its lows in 2011.


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:41 | 2285554 LasVegasDave
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I had no problem picking up a brand spanking new G26  9MM glock today for $489.

What a country, America!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:30 | 2285645 CompassionateFascist
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Then thank the NRA, Dave, which won all the court cases that made your purchase possible. Of which - like myself - I hope you are dues-paying member. Why, even Mittens has joined..."Life membership" of August 2011.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:45 | 2285676 LasVegasDave
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dues paying member


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:41 | 2285758 A Lunatic
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Where the fuck was the NRA in '34, '68' and 86???? I used to be a blind supporter of them too, that is until I started thinking for myself. The NRA is a Lobbyist organization first and foremost. We already have a second amendment, fuck the NRA.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:49 | 2285869 Gully Foyle
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Hey now if these Cold Steel fat bastards can cut rope and meat swinging a Katana like a fucking baseball bat imigine what skilled hands can accomplish.

Cold steel 357 vs Kukri on slab of meat.

Cold Steel Katana

Cold Steel Chinese war sword

Indian War club


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:36 | 2285120 Seditious Blasphemer
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Hardware Bitchez

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:45 | 2285157 nmewn
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Green Shoots ;-)

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:42 | 2285559 Optimusprime
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That's a LOT of pennies!

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:53 | 2285585 nmewn
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Better to have it and never need it, than to need it and not have it...or worse, can't have it at all ;-)

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 08:54 | 2286339 SWRichmond
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It was green, get it?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:59 | 2285226 Jendrzejczyk
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Lead free ammo?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:01 | 2285439 nmewn
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What would I do with my molds? ;-)

Been a long time since I reloaded. I got the dies, molds, furnace what not and an RCBS Rock Chucker. You can save a lot of money that way if you shoot a bunch and have time...which I did quite a bit in the past. You can make better ammunition than you can buy but the start up costs are pretty high. I know hunters that only use their own never store bought.

Hell, I have no idea if my powders good anymore (Unique, Red Dot etc.) probably be great for Fourth of July by now.

Use it or lose as they

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:28 | 2285515 johnQpublic
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if you are careful and take the time home loads are surely more accurate

better groups

i ,however dont have the patience

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:48 | 2285574 nmewn
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Oh takes time and attention to what you're doing or you can wind up in a real bad situation.

Back when I shot a lot, I was at the range with a GP100 and some of my reloads having a good ole time.

I shot and I didn't see it hit the target. Thinking I just missed it altogether I shot again. Both bullets "rolled" out of the barrel. I hadn't charged one...only a primer in one...and it lodged the first bullet in the barrel...with my second shot pushing both out.

Needless to say with a "weak" gun that could have been a bad scenario or fatal for me. 

I see others have other opinons of Ruger but I can say their revolvers, that one in particular (the GP100) saved me from being a Darwin Award Winner in spite of myself ;-)

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:52 | 2285688 Fedaykinx
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i reloaded quite a bit back in the day, and gave up on it for a while.  a few years ago i bought a nice progressive press and feel like i'm accomplishing something.  also the powder checker helps make sure i don't do what you did.  which i have done before, but caught it whent it happened.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:42 | 2285759 nmewn
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I believe I recall RCBS came out with a "piggyback" for the venerable old RCBS about the time I stopped doing it...though I still have the manuals and equipment.

My error, I'm sure, was a mistake of distraction, which is something I was trying to get across to any novices who might think it's a cool thing to get into...which it definitely is. It involves many disciplines, chemistry, alloys, ballistics, precision, craftsmanship etc. as you know.

Self sufficiency, given availability of components, which leads to other interests.

A simple life experience to share with all as a note of caution for the young who might want to explore & experiment.

Dillon does make a pretty good one from what I understand.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:47 | 2285944 Fedaykinx
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you're definitely right about the dangers of teaching yourself to do something like reloading ammunition, but it can be very rewarding hobby.    the worst thing i ever did was set off a stuck round trying to get it out.  luckily i had enough sense to go outside, but it still scared the bajebus out of me.  btw those dillons are expensive machines but they're probably worth the money if you shoot enough, i bought my used 5-stage hornady for a song and love it.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:19 | 2285908 Cistercian
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When I was a boy I was at the range with my Dad.There was this guy who had shortened a SW 29 to a 2.5 inch snub gun.It was really obnoxiusly loud.One day it went Bang...but the bang was very high pitched.He had made a loading error....21 grains of Bullseye instead of IMR 2400.The top 3 rounds went off at the same time in the cylinder.It blew the barrel though the wall of the range,bent the topstrap incredibly, and blew half the cylinder away.Aside from minor cuts, the shooter was uninjured....and standing there in shock with the ruined gun in his hand.

 You were lucky, and yes, GP-100's are strong as hell.Very nice revolver!

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:58 | 2286084 Fedaykinx
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i've never seen some shit like that, probably a minor miracle he didn't put an eye out or cut some nerves or something.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 16:11 | 2286993 Cistercian
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It was lucky he wasn't was a miracle.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:25 | 2286057 Axenolith
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You can get a noticable reduction in grouping size on commercial ammo if you get a grain scale and separate and group the ammo by weight.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:32 | 2285742 DCFusor
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Lately, I've been getting some real old components when some other reloader dies, and their family doesn't want the stuff.  In general, even really old smokeless still works fine - it might be a tiny bit faster or slower since even the same name sometimes gets reformulated now and then (Unique), but just be careful working up loads off it and its fine.

None of the inherited primers have been non functional, corrosive or not.  I'd bet any failures in loaded ammo are due to it having been wet at some time in its life, which you should be able to see before buying - boxes and brass will show that if it was bad enough.


Fri, 03/23/2012 - 22:06 | 2285790 nmewn
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Now you got my juices flowing ;-)

For the unintiated it should be pointed out we're talking about propellent (smokeless) not explosives. The terms have been bastardized by the MSM so we need stupid clarifications like these.

Thanks for the tip on Unique, I wanted to show my son how it all fits together start to finish...from de-priming, cleaning, sizing, priming, charging, seating and putting it down range. Sounds like a summer lesson.

I inherited some snap caps from an old guy who got me into it that you just prime. Those are fun. You can use them in your favorite revolver inside the house without having to repair the

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:05 | 2286037 Lednbrass
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That process is father-son time in my house, we do one round at a a time start to finish to avoid the sort of thing you mentioned above but its a good way to sit and chat while he learns something useful. Hoping to put together a couple boxes this weekend for his 30-30.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 02:09 | 2286095 Fedaykinx
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i just can't do em one at a time anymore and feel like i wouldn't be better off making a bulk order, but i usually shoot hundreds of rounds a month, mostly pistol lately since that's what i need the most practice with.  i think if i had a kid i'd want him to learn to do it the way you're teaching him for sure.  killed my first deer with my grandad's old winchester, good times.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:02 | 2286030 LFMayor
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about the only thing I've seen that kills primers is WD-40.  That stuff is like kryptonite to ammo.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:48 | 2285177 HelluvaEngineer
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Bill Ruger.  Piece of shit.  Father of the 10rd magazine.  Now dead.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:51 | 2285190 SWRichmond
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Agree.  I own nothing by Ruger and never ever will.  Fuck them.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:20 | 2285310 MsCreant
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I took mine apart and could not put it back together again. Had to take it to a gunsmith. He couldn't do it! Had to take it to a cop's gunsmith. Got rid of it.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:26 | 2285331 chunga
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AK field stripped = 4 parts.

Impossible to reassemble wrongly.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:36 | 2285368 Agent P
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I didn't know they made a Humpty Dumpty model.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:20 | 2285909 Frankie Carbone
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I own five Rugers and take them apart all the time. Tell me, was Johnny Black Label in the picture at the time? ;)

Seriously, what was the issue? 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:00 | 2286028 MsCreant
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Frankie, see below. Never drunk with fire arms. Never. 

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 22:26 | 2287707 Frankie Carbone
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Miss Creant.  That was just good ole' fashioned ball busting. Yeah, you're a girl, but the metaphor still applies. :)

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:58 | 2285953 Calmyourself
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You took apart a Ruger .22 didn't you...  Buy a buckmark, keep your sanity..

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 00:26 | 2285992 Sabibaby
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put 1000 rounds through it before you clean it.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:03 | 2286033 MsCreant
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It was my first fire arm. It is true, I only went to the range twice before I tried to follow the directions and clean it (maybe 500 rounds). At the time, I was told to be diligent and clean it after every time I went to the range. As it was, I had skipped a time.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:04 | 2286023 MsCreant
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It was a .22. Too tight. My brain could track where it all should go according to the schematic, it just wouldn't. I'm a girl, it's true, but I'm not that bad. That the gunsmith at the gun store could not do it either (he had it for months) was very validating.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 14:18 | 2286839 DosZap
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It was a .22. Too tight. My brain could track where it all should go according to the schematic, it just wouldn't. I'm a girl, it's true, but I'm not that bad. That the gunsmith at the gun store could not do it either (he had it for months) was very validating.

I knew exactly what Ruger you gave up on.

#1, a Ruger semi .22LR, has NO NEED to be taken apartfor cleaning until at least a 100,000k rounds............

Clean the barrel, and forget it.

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 22:54 | 2287737 UP Forester
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Could also get a Marlin/Glenfield Model 60, as long as it's older.  The new ones have too many plastic parts.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:33 | 2285535 SilverRhino
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He's a shithead but his revolvers are better than S&W hands down.  

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:21 | 2285910 Frankie Carbone
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There's a reason why I own three Ruger revolvers and only one Smithy. Smith's aren't bad guns, in fact they're pretty good. But the come across as "cheap" when contrasted with a Ruger.  

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 23:33 | 2285923 Cistercian
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I only had one revolver.

 Old Model Super Blackhawk...Skeletonized hammer for better lock time,absolutely minimum cylinder/barrel clearance and an excellent trigger job and target sights.Too bad it was stolen from my car years ago.It was 3/4 of an inch at 50 old school bullseye gun.

 I sure do miss it.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:37 | 2285121 Calmyourself
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Whatever would we need all those for?  Oh thats right, hunting is getting very popular in the U.S.  Brussells bank guy, I think we have you beat..

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:12 | 2285474 e_goldstein
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If the states were smart, they would start issuing Squid Tags.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:38 | 2285131 countryboy42
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And this is why I am a gunsmith. 

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:39 | 2285132 css1971
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Bubble in guns?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:39 | 2285133 dick cheneys ghost
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Life's a Bitch, Then you buy a Gun.............

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 17:30 | 2287128 Ima anal sphincter
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Life's a Bitch....Then you marry one...........


Glock: Tactical Tupperware - I know, but 5000+ rounds, no jam from day one.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:39 | 2285135 Motley Fool
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The other three will have to take up the slack. I wonder how far away from full production capacity they are.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:14 | 2285294 12ToothAssassin
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Kel-Tec (#3) has been at capacity for some time now. Ever try to get a Sub 2000 or a KSG?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:23 | 2285317 Motley Fool
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Nope. Our gun laws are stupid.

But thank you for the information.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:17 | 2285484 12ToothAssassin
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Sub2k and KSG are both Cali legal if done correctly. Little known fact. I can neither confirm nor deny how I know this.

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