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FoxConn Workers Threaten With Mass Suicide If Working Conditions Aren't Fixed
FoxConn, which at last count had well over 1 million workers and rising, appears to have had enough of being the global electronic gadget sweatshop, and as the Telegraph reports, saw its workers threaten with mass suicides unless working conditions are not improved. "Around 150 Chinese workers at Foxconn, the world's largest electronics manufacturer, threatened to commit suicide by leaping from their factory roof in protest at their working conditions. The workers were eventually coaxed down after two days on top of their three-floor plant in Wuhan by Foxconn managers and local Chinese Communist party officials." Does this mean that in the latest Apple prospectus there will be a Risk Factor which says: "Our profit margins may be severely impaired if our contracted work force decides to proceed with mass self-induced genocide." We will find out, but if anyone needed a loud and clear warning that the record profitability of high margin electronics producers is about to go down, this is it.
Needless to say, this is not the first time FoxConn has had close encounters of the suicide kind:
Foxconn, which manufactures gadgets for the likes of Apple, Sony, Nintendo and HP, among many others, has had a grim history of suicides at its factories. A suicide cluster in 2010 saw 18 workers throw themselves from the tops of the company's buildings, with 14 deaths.
In the aftermath of the suicides, Foxconn installed safety nets in some of its factories and hired counsellors to help its workers.
The latest protest began on January 2 after managers decided to move around 600 workers to a new production line, making computer cases for Acer, a Taiwanese computer company.
"We were put to work without any training, and paid piecemeal," said one of the protesting workers, who asked not to be named. "The assembly line ran very fast and after just one morning we all had blisters and the skin on our hand was black. The factory was also really choked with dust and no one could bear it," he said.
What next? Each iPad coming with a disclaimer: "No Chinese workers committed suicide in the creation of this product"?
Several reports from inside Foxconn factories have suggested that while the company is more advanced than many of its competitors, it is run in a "military" fashion that many workers cannot cope with. At Foxconn's flagship plant in Longhua, five per cent of its workers, or 24,000 people, quit every month.
"Because we could not cope, we went on strike," said the worker. "It was not about the money but because we felt we had no options. At first, the managers said anyone who wanted to quit could have one month's pay as compensation, but then they withdrew that offer. So we went to the roof and threatened a mass suicide".
China has "dealt" with the issue:
A spokesman for Foxconn confirmed the protest, and said that the incident was "successfully and peacefully resolved after discussions between the workers, local Foxconn officials and representatives from the local government".
He added that 45 Foxconn employees had chosen to resign and the remainder had returned to work. "The welfare of our employees is our top priority and we are committed to ensuring that all employees are treated fairly," he said.
So all is well - please resume your sweatshop-facilitated iTunes enjoyment.
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Wow
Occupy Rooftop
These Chinese are always so inventive...
This makes Occupy look like a kindergarten recess.
This is sad. I bet they would have been much happier just farming down by the delta and living an agrarian lifestyle.
Employment in the Chinese War machine cant be fun.
Yeah but just think what it'll do for unemployment...
If this happened in the US, the DOW would hit 25,000 just like Robo says, no sweat...
Apple's Production Cost for 1 Ipad: $20
Apple's Taxes paid to US IRS: max 2% of gross revenue
Apple's Cash Holdings: $82+ BILLION
Winners: Apple, Apple share holders/speculators
Losers: US IRS/i.e. US/The People, US consumers, US tax payers and chiefly FOXCONN WORKER-SLAVES.
Love and treasure all the I-stuff, because it is paid with blood, sweat, tears, death and morally speaking, fraud.
China's status as advanced consumer electronics maker for the world plagued by labor issues.
Amerika's status as nutrient dense Twinkie maker, spong cake filled with a creamy foam (that can be used as insulation & also as a fire retardant) center, plagued by financial and economic issues (many of which where Bernank-induced):
Twinkies maker Hostess seeks bankruptcy protection
Will someone PLEASE think of the Twinkies?! :-)
and the ho ho's dude...
I thought they worked at the Xbox plant for Microsoft?
http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16146955
China is the happy joyjoy future for all of us who are not nobility! I can't wait.
The marvelous thing is the stupid, dipshitty "causes" of all the iLemmings, all their "sustainable" bullshit while they chatter away on sweatshop devices and post their trifling lives on the interwebz
Teenagers (and alleged adults) everywhere resent that you are at least implying that few people (or none) really care about their every-5-minute-updates as to their geolocation & activities via Twitter:
@PimplyTweetingTeen-or-RealHouseWiveOfBrooklyn
8:05am: I'm @ the Starbux on 31st & Main
@PimplyTweetingTeen-or-RealHouseWiveOfBrooklyn
8:13am: I ordered a peppermint mocha fracha latte Vende Grande
@PimplyTweetingTeen-or-RealHouseWiveOfBrooklyn
8:25am: I sharted a little
no...people DO care. Or they pretend to care and ostracize those who admit they don't care.
You're an OUTCAST if you don't go along with the "conventional wisdom" and "consensus opinion." That means THOU SHALT love "social media" or "iShit" or ANY trend that the madison avenue semites shove down your throat using their cousin Bernays' manual on how to steer zeitgeist.
Don't you know you're not COOL and HIP and PLUGGED IN if you don't tweeter some banal shit every 6 minutes?
Hell, teen girls are actually killing themselves over this shit.
So when/if 150 or so Federal Reserve and/or JPM "associates" take to the roof will they be coaxed down or "removed".
We Americans help make it happen! We always know how to pick the right leaders for the job...and this is NOT a race thing...
20 dollars to make an ipad is pure made up fiction.
I believe the $20 is the manufacturing cost, part of which will be the pay for the workers.
If assembly was done in the US, It extremely likely the assembly plant would be automated. Right now Chinese labor costs are below US assembly automation. I suspect the if the labor costs rise, production will shift to automated assemble. It would not suprise me that Apple or FoxConn already has plans for automation in the next year or two. In the end the IRS and US Manufacturing workers would still lose.
I bet they will be alot happier farming but poorer. Many do the sacrifice for their families. I am sure many of us can relate. Right now, it would be so nice to leave all this bs behind and turn into a beach bumb in Costa Rica.
Seems to me there are a few people in the Mariner Eccles building already working on that for you...
That's not saying much.
I could have writ, "A walk in the park", but I thought that was redundant.
I was thinking the same thing. We have as many reasons to be pissed, but our lame, fat, stupid population just flips the channel over to Fox Sports and checks their fantasy football scores on the ipads they can't afford. Much has to change from the ground up around here.
Jump you fuckers!
Lighten up Francis.
Were this to happen in AmeriKa, the protestors would be maced/pepper spayed, kicked and drug off to jail by Homeland Security funded Goon Squads decked out to the 9's in the latest Blackwater-approved Riot Gear, interrogated about their possible terrorist affiliations and ties, then sent (courtesy of Sen Levin, McCain, Graham) on an all expense paid vacation to some unnamed internment facility until the end of the War on Terror (whatever that is).
Back to work you Debt Slaves!!
Forgive me the fantasy; In the US we see bank CEO's, Congress Critters, and those most responsible for our financial mess, climb to the top of their glass spires and threaten to throw themselves off unless the taxpayers rally to their cause to increase their salaries and the bailouts. (cue crickets) The sounds of their carcasses hitting the ground is like a 3rd grade class dancing on a room full of bubble wrap...and life is good again...
Poignant, visceral. Dug it.
Happened in 1929. Fucking bailouts. It could have been raining douchebags all over Manhattan!
It NEEDS to rain douchbags in Manhattan, and neighbors giving their pinstripe fag neighbors reconstructive surgery and a "get the fuck out of the neighborhood" kick in the pants.
Sadly, there are none in the 1% with any self-respected decency as they too worship at the altar of greed and money (called fuck your neighbor).
They too shall pass, meaningless wastes of unenlightened with a bankroll and that is all.
unfortunately i did not see RoRo&Co jumping, aka Rockefeller & Rothschild
Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge311sFhC8
You think it's bad now, just wait until the iPhone 5 starts production.....................the masses say "wes gotz to haz the newest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" What's the Intrade over/under on jumps once 5 kicks in gear???
might as well, jump...
Van Halen has your back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlq0lYB3iSM
New Van Halen sucks, IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WfQ-hV3WtA&ob=av2e
Lame, I agree.
JUMP
Oddly enough... A new movie "MAN ON A LEDGE" opens in a few weeks...
Man I need to learn something from these guys. Maybe an exchange program?
It would need to be a very short program it seems...
IDie.
Need a "Jump You Fuckers" song remix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge311sFhC8
I did find a "foxconn suicide song". No idea what it says. Anybody here translate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMV5PuD109Q
Selfish workers..
Not even a thought about the millions of iPod, and iPhone users whose lives they would wreck.
Is this really what our world has come to? clinging desperately to an existence of one tech toy to another at the expense of someone else. human beings need to take a step back and say "WTF are we doing here?"
Blinders on bitchez
Unfortunately consciousness is heading, and is being pushed, in the opposite direction. We can only take responsibility for our own sovereign emotional territory right now, with the hope of bringing change one by one. Stick with it.
even ZH "freethinkers" had an orgy of mourning for Dear Leader Jobs
I didn't.
iDidn't
He was really bright and insightful, but likely not a whole lot more so than a lot of the guys at the Palo Alto Research Center.
He was however more opportunistic, ambitious and tenacious than most of those guys.
seriously
iHope
Is there an app for that?
iDoubt It
iLOL
uJump
I'm sick
"...saw its workers threaten with mass suicides unless working conditions are not improved".
So there you have it. Chinese workers DEMAND worse conditions.
So much for helping the Fair Trade cause! Gotta watch out for those typos....lol.
The welfare of our workers is our top priority ......LMAO.
Bet those 45 workers who choose to resign have now been relocated to a chinese detention center.
Wonder if Mitt Romney is going to fix this situation with his "day one trade war with China" After all, he is the second coming of "hope and change". Something about fool me once seems to fit here....sigh.
"Bet those 45 workers who choose to resign have now been relocated to a chinese detention center."
Or organ donors.
Fuck Mitt sideways with a lunch box. I'm already having the "voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil," argument with friends and family.
"But he's the best we have against Obama! Are you going to vote for Obama??"
There really needs to be a social media campaign of, "If Mitt Romney is the nominee, I will vote for Obama". Ron Paul has the ability to pull something like this off. However, this whole charade of a campaign is only his attempt at leaving something for his neo-con son to run with after he's gone, so there will be no rocking the boat(same reason there will be no third party run).
People still think theyre actually presented with a choice...and it would be 'Better than Obama'...nevermind Mitt Romney is the central bankers wet dream...well people will believe anything. Trained talking monkeys.
I am employing the "Just Say No" approach to the 2012 election. I will not once again vote for the Republicrat/Demublican candidate I hate the least. If 2012 comes down to Obama vs Romney, I will happily vote 3rd party. Hopefully Ron Paul will run 3rd Party. If he doesn't, I'm voting for the best of the rest.
challenge ANY of them to show a substantive difference between Obama and Busch and ask in light of the results, why the fuck they would want to vote for someone OTHER than Obama.
Ask them to write down the differences between these candidates. They won't find any.
I did. The only answer I got was, "Romney promised to repeal Obamacare on Day 1. That's enough for me right there." This from someone who regularly complains that all politicians lie and we need to kick them all out, so on and so forth (not to mention was ignorant about Romneycare in the first place!).
Basically, I need some new friends.
Did you tell him Bama promised to bring the troops home and close Gitmo day 1?
Or just do what I do and mock people like that. Fool me once, shame on....shame on you...fool me...not gonna get fooled again.
Just so you know, much of my schtick here is borne of the fact that people are highly resistant to education. They cling to their absurd faiths. That is what your friends are doing.
It is too frightening to stop clapping or not cry for the deceased Dear Leader or to say "wait a minute, this is bullshit and you all know it," or to admit that the system is a sham and suck it up and take the necessary action to correct the problem.
Just an FYI, unless the constitution has been repealed, a president CANNOT repeal a law. You might want to mention that to your "friend".
But really why let anything like the constitution get in the way of a candidates political narrative.
More than likely ordered to be followed and robbed so they don't have money to get home.
the guy made his money as an asset striper, what do you think will happen when he is pres??
just saying
Revorution
Double wow.
I thought sweatshops only existed in East London.
american workers wish they existed in the us...
Thank god for minimum wage. What ever would the American people do if there were actually jobs available?
working at fox con like facilites. God dont you get? Min wage is a slave wage as it is.
Is no wage better than below minimum wage?
Apparently, because by no wage you really mean 2+ years of unemployement checks.
Nothing will get fixed until people get hungry, and by then it will be too late.
Some still do.
The Alaskan fishing fleet.
I worked there and it is voluntary slavery.
Pay is only so good due to the fact you can not spend it at sea, at least when I was there.
Yes, some boats make out quite well with great catches and pay. Not all do however.
Working there makes all other jobs I have done, including commercial diver, a joke.
HAULBACK! oooh noooooo not again!!
They wouldn't need "safety nets" if they just chained everyone to the floor, walls or anything else that is sufficiently heavy. How about inoperable windows (or no windows) and restricted access to roof areas. Do I have do all the thinking? Ridiculous.
/sarc
They have to allow access to the roof... It's called "climbing the corporate ladder of success"
It's aspirational... LULZ
This is the global economy is it ? Where these workers threaten suicide whereas workers elsewhere are able to change emploer, there must be a lack of other employers. Capitalism's supply/demand for labour is not functioning in China for the ordinary guy it would seem.
Infinate growth has its drawbacks. The need to eliminate labor through automation or reduce costs through lower wages. Have fun storming the castle!
Lesson for American employers: Unless the help threatens mass suicide, you aren't squeezing them enough.
Lesson for American employees: unless you want to end up like the workers at FoxConn, you'll need to "squeeze" something of your own (preferably with a really light pull).
Calming Suicidal workers - there's an ap for that
iJump
i heard that instead of using robotics the workers lay in the wires and do soldering by hand. Yes, HAND-MADE gizmos. They of course suffer from repetitive motion syndrome and nerve damage from solvent fumes.
philosophical question: Are you supporting Chinese workers by buying their crap?
Or would you be supporting Chinese workers by NOT buying their crap?
good question. if you didn't buy the crap they would be out jobs at that company. if you do you are supporting scum who couldn't care about their employees. then the best thing to do is buy a competitor who is more responsible. don't give them your business.
Buy American crap... but make certain it isn't really crap, and that you need it, and you buy it with cash or barter and not credit.
To whom do you turn for instance in cellular technology? Does anyone know of anyone that makes consumer electronics in the USA?
Do they get most of the money from it or not?
Well, where does the profit lie? If you have to decide between the two, that's who you support.
A good question and my answer is neither.
I'm not responsible for any Chinese people. They by and large left agrarian subsistence lives to try to make a better life in the big city. Their situation sucks, to be sure, but I would never purchase a product because I want to support one of the cogs in the assembly line. That's why I donate to the charities of my choice. No one would hire me as a contractor just because I needed the money, right? No, I have to add value in order to reap the benefits in the form of money. I therefore don't buy Chinese-made products because I don't value them, nor do I value what our "free trade" (guffaw guffaw) policies have done to the American economy. It's a simple statement that I can make with what few dollar bills I have.
when I am in the 3rd world, I refuse to buy shit made in china that they sell there.
I am like listen I can buy this shit back home. Fuck china. Clothes made in brazil are of universally better quality than that other crap. You can tell the difference between native clothing and china in a place like Colombia just by touching it.
Where was your computer made Chump? Thought so.
Will the banksters threaten to jump if they don't get QE to infinity?
They'd be better off promising to jump if they do get it.
I don't get it ... they do have choice of quitting right?
What is Chinese for FEMA, ALex
I didn't know empty boxcars have internet connections.
Oh, wait. You're a hobo with an Iphone.
droid actually ...
quiters never win winners never quit. I am sure you as a pragmatic would agree.
If you don't like the working conditions, then quit.
Stop being a BUNCH OF *EMO FAGGOTS*
They quit and they get the gulag, you fucking moron.
I didn't thumb you down, but seriously - why would they get the gulag if they quit? Wouldn't they just return home? Or would they be arrested for disrupting operations?
The countryside has lost a lot of jobs. They have flooded the riverbeds to make dams, and millions have relocated. For many, there is no choice but to move into the city. You probably know this part.
But yes, if they sign up to work, they must work, or else they get jailed for breach of contract and disrupting operations.
Don't forget the giant Ag businesses forming in China, which are super busy 'expropriating' traditionally held lands to mass produce exported foodstuffs to the Walmart masses...when you lose your land you lose everything, and either relocate or starve. Welcome to the new capitalism, same as the old capitalism (circa 1800)
You are spouting ridiculous bullshit without any linked evidence at all. Try reading this report produced by Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehaviour. It is hardly Foxconn friendly. If you read it, which I doubt you will, you will find that you are talking bullshit.
Alternatively you could post some evidence of your ridiculous claim.
http://sacom.hk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/20110924-islave-behind-the-iphone.pdf
AHEM!
There are children present. The Ministry of Truth informs us that only simple reeducation* is in order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai
*an administrative detention for a person who is not a criminal but has committed minor offenses, and is intended to reform offenders into law-abiding citizens
Don't worry...noone is going to crowd your turf, sweet cheeks.
they quit they starve, you fucking moron
Somebody else posting bullshit. If they quit they go home and eat far better than they would if they stayed.
Well, there goes the price of i-crap right through the bloody ceiling!
I was just gifted my first i. A second hand Touch.
Cool as first time owner with stretching and all. Gizmos are made to be adddictive.
ori
Himmler also threatened suicide. But he miscalculated. He forgot that in democratic countries suicide isn't punishable by murder
Not sure what is more shocking, the fact that there are 150 jumpers, or that Foxcon has 1 million "employees."
pods
sent from my ipad
OT: You know we are heading back into recession when this happens http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-11/twinkie-maker-hostess-brands-files-for-bankruptcy-protection-in-manhattan.html
The game really was the same everywhere. Money is cheap, why not finance ________________ (fill in the blank, be you a potential home owner or a CEO). But the CEO's had no risk. JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs puts together the financing, you buy some top line revenue growth, the bought and paid for analysts hail your growth, stock price goes up in the insane asylum called a market. Everything works just fine on the way up... but it all REQUIRES infinate growth. Most people won't understand what's happening when the dominoes start to tumble.
There are well over a billion other people to take their place. Nothing to see here move along.
~sarc~
I think the macro question would be whether you can breed out any desires of autonomy or, alternatively, desires of autonomy sufficiently to cause material action by the desiring person. This may also present an answer, probably at best in part, for anyone wanting to know why faith in the currency lasts so long or how the ponzi hasn't unraveled...
Any sort of faith, really. A relative of mine converted to Mormonism. A bunch of my pious relatives then pile on her over her choice... they read all sorts of literature on just how whacked the whole religion really is (and it is, to be sure). Of course those same relatives have never given a moment's thought to just how whacked their religion is. They don't have the first clue over the canonization process for their "holy book". The remarkable similarities (i.e. outright plagiarism) for the story they believe to stories that predate theirs by thousands of years. The absurdity of "god" feeling he needs to have a son and then planting his seed in a virgin to "save" mankind... only to have said salvation be based on the absolute randomness of your birth to a set of parents willing to indoctrinate you into their religion vs. some other. Fock Faith, in all of its manifestations.
The Stephen F. Roberts e-warrior quote: I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god. When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. Interesting logical vise.
Brilliant. I've never seen the quote, but it will forever be committed to memory. Thanks.
Brilliant indeed
Since neither you, nor I, nor anyone, can prove through experience that a god does not exist, your premise is based as much on faith as theirs is. As we have learned even in this article, absurdity does not preclude a thing from being real. Neither does parsimony alone prove circumstances true or false.
I would love to engage in circular arguments that allow you to justify your faith, but my pretend salvation doesn't rest upon said circle jerk, so I'll pass. But by all means, carry on.
You missed the point. Faith, by definition, cannot be justified. Therefore your strong assertion that there is no god cannot be justified, and is just as obnoxiously based on faith as theirs. The only tenable position is agnosticism.
I don't recall making the assertion that there is no god. I simply mocked your silly religion. Agnosticism is the only tenable position if you are prone to silly circular questions such as "can you prove that god doesn't exist"? We only care about this silly question because silly religion has told us that salvation or damnation hangs in the balance. I feel no need to be agnostic with respect to the flying spaghetti monster, though based on your logic, my agnosticism would be the only tenable position there as well.
Yep, similar to the argument that defeats pascal's wager... so, if I could go to eternal heaven for believing (living?) the dark side of neptune has a theme park where the galaxy's celebrities drop their kids off to get molested by assfucking purple dinosaurs, then my temporary time here on this earth would be well served to dedicate to the faith! Totally reasonable...
First, agnostics don't exist... humans don't have the luxury of academic ambivalence... our feelings tend to get in the way. Neat idea for jacking off in academia though.
Second, nothing until proven something. The thing that you whizzed past in deciding that atheists make some assertion was the whole burden of proof (aside from reasonability). It's neat to try and shift the burden of proof to where it's some equal hurdle, but that doesn't coincide with reality. If god inherently existed in our mind or was readily, directly observable, then atheists would actually be making an assertion... until that day...
You might say, well, by merely inquiring as to the sufficiency of the proof of theists, you're an agnostic... if so, I'll counter with the observation that agnostics are merely too chickenshit to declare a side and by now have developed a rather unusual relationship with the fence post. Agnostics are atheists. You can split hairs all you want. The proof to convert an agnostic to a full blown theist will never come... the side has been chosen. Lube up for the fence post if you want...
(ask yourself whether agnosticism is in response to the atheists' assertion that god doesn't exist or the theists' assertion that he does).
PS, we're all well aware of the leap of faith required for belief in about everything... please spare us... we have to deal in the real world.
What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary.
Steven Hawking
There is no such thing as proof in regards to the celestial, only the triage of reasonability.
That's messed up.
What a fricked up world we live in...........
Vee vill feed you better rations! Now get bak to verk!
This brings to mind the crooning robotic auto worker that was singing a love song to the robot that was replaceing him on the assembly line.
if only steve jobs were still alive
Gimme a break.
They could easily move production to Vietnam or Thailand and get it done even cheaper.
I sincerely doubt that, but what the hell do I know. You're the expert.
They are moving plants to Vietnam, Cambodia, and Malaysia. It's ironic to see cheap labor Asia getting outsourced to cheaper labor Asia. This is happening in Thailand too now that Thai's expect a little more than living in a box (the nerve).
I have seen this first hand. A friend of mine just moved shop to Cambodia from Thailand for better, cheaper labor.
Sorry, but the next move is Africa. Why do you think China has been expanding their influence there?
China's only interest in Africa is to strip it bare while politely helping all the regimes eat each other.
Because they are not "white" Africans seem to trust them more. They let the Africans profit while raping their own territory and the Chinese don't tell them how to run things or what religion to be.
I doubt we'll see too many Chinese factories there...
ITT Robo STILL doesn't know the variables that make for inexpensive products.
Here's a hint: cheap labor is only a minor one.
Others include road, water, electricity, and port infrastructure, a stable government, a non-interventionist government, low tax environment, and a general low regulation environment.
On a side note, the Chinese need to allow labor unions to exist. Don't give them special rights, but they do have the right to assemble as they like. It is natural for an increasingly specialized work force to demand higher wages and better working conditions. They will find that providing those things increases productivity and decreases turnover, allowing for ever greater specialization.
Yep, hazardous waste disposal is way easier in China. Just build a pipe out into the middle of a river.
pods
You used to be able to do that in the US, too.
That is what happens when you don't allow ownership of waterways. There is no owner to defend the water from such actions.
They still do in West Virginia.
http://www.loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=12-P13-00001&segmentID=3
Why would they want unions? The article mentioned remedial measures of the company through hiring counselors for distraught workers... This will help not only isolate these workers, but "re-educate" them (either by changing the way they think and, thus, their feelings or simply making them more comfortable with their meager existences). Collective bargaining is the yin to the employer's yang... to be avoided at all costs (not only does it decrease entrenched power, but eventually overshoots and kills the company).