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Friday Humor: Allowing Women To Drive Leads To Rampant "Prostitution, Pornography, Homosexuality And Divorce"

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And now for the Friday humor which instead of capital markets... we get enough fun there every time we look at the S&P or read any headline out of Europe... focuses on cultural perspectives. Specifically, those originating in Saudi Arabia. As QMI reports "allowing women to drive in Saudi Arabia would cause rampant sex, porn and homosexuality, according to some of the country's scholars." It gets better: "Academics at the country's highest religious council submitted a report to the legislative assembly warning of the dangers of letting women behind the wheel, reports the Daily Telegraph. If the only country in the world that still bans women from driving were to change its rules, there would be "a surge in prostitution, pornography, homosexuality and divorce." Within 10 years of the ban being lifted, the report claimed, there would be "no more virgins" in the country, according to the paper." One then wonders if Britney learned to drive when she was 17. That said, we urge feminists with a penchant for sports cars to stay out of Saudi Arabia, no matter how much they love extracting the viscous substance out of the oil-rich venues: "Currently, women caught driving in the kingdom may be lashed as punishment."

And speaking of Britney, happy 30th to the girl who made being a catholic schoolgirl fun all over again.

h/t Mike


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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:01 | 1939615 Smithovsky
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Friday Humor: Allowing Women To Drive Leads To Rampant "Prostitution, Pornography, Homosexuality And Divorce"

Sounds about right - where's the humor then?  

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:02 | 1939625 achmachat
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you beat me to it

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:03 | 1939631 Smithovsky
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that's what the Saudi wife said to her husband

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:06 | 1939646 Pladizow
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And these are the people that America should engage in peace talks with?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:08 | 1939657 redpill
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Peace talks?  Supposedly they are our "ally" already.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:11 | 1939676 Yamaha
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I take the train - nobody to f..... There..........

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:46 | 1939822 eureka
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US view of Saudis:  Sexy, Suitable friends with benefits. US loves Saudi.

And fuck democracy too - we're a republic.

What logic? USA USA USA wouf wouf wouf

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:12 | 1939919 buyingsterling
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The 'Republican Jewish Coalition' has declined to invite Ron Paul to their nationally televised debate on Dec. 7th. Apparently, Paul is 'misguided' and'extreme'. More here:


You can email the RJC here:

And you can reach their ladies' group here:

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:58 | 1940069 JR
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Buyingsterling – hardly a GOP cheerleader, says the “extreme views” of Ron Paul perhaps were “like how he would stop giving Israel a few billion dollars each year to purchase weapons from the American defense industry.” And this “would be too controversial even within the context of a debate of ideas.”

Says Gawker: The invited contenders “are expected to flesh out a broad range of opinions about Israel, its future and its relationship with the United States.”

This group, like the long list of purchased media organizations such as Fox News and CBS News etc., has its message down pat and can’t take the chance on having the American people be exposed to the real truth that affects their lives, their estates and their families.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:20 | 1940153 rocker
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  Letting Women Drive is a Good Thing.   Sounds like a Fun Time to Me.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:47 | 1940209 PsychicWebbah
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I wonder if car insurance rates in Saudi Arabia are cheaper?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:02 | 1940260 akak
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Well, you can sure as Hell bet that they don't use Progressive!
Besides, Flo don't do burkhas.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:21 | 1940866 CompassionateFascist
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You can also reach their "ladies' group" @

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:16 | 1939930 TruthInSunshine
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I posted something below, but I was probably too verbose.

Asian women should not be allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, the United States, or anywhere, for that matter.

Just sayin'.

<---Absolutely mortified of Asian Female drivers and keep further away from them than suspected drunk drivers (Q: How can you spot an intoxicated Asian Female driver? A:  You can not.)

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:19 | 1939941 akak
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By "Asian", I presume you really mean "Oriental", yes?

Or are you also afraid of Russian, Israeli, Turkish, Arabic, Indian, Pakistani, and Armenian women drivers as well?

Note to the geographically ignorant and the supine panderers to linguistic political correctness: the continent of Asia consists of more than the Orient.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:33 | 1939985 TruthInSunshine
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You're technically correct. By truly accurate and historical terms, Asian could refer to descendants of Genghis Khan driving Toyota Camrys.

But yes, I was referring to the Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai and Cambodian, mainly, women drivers who have seemingly intentionally tried to kill me, rendering me dead, on several occassions.

*This is not intended to go out of my way to insult Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai and Cambodian female drivers, but is a comment based on real life experience/observations.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:45 | 1940010 akak
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I have to agree with you, TIS --- Oriental women drivers, taken as a whole, are ABYSMALLY bad when behind the wheel, and that fact is undeniable.  I have spoken to Anchorage police officers who just roll their eyes when the subject is brought up (as well as having had to dodge their epileptic-like driving habits more times than I can count), and I can attest that they have been the butt of innumerable jokes among (the less politically-correct) residents of Vancouver for many years as well.

I hope you did not take my comments above as an attack on you --- they were not intended as such.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:37 | 1940772 UP Forester
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Anyone ever try driving in Hawaii?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:58 | 1940932 geekgrrl
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Having lived in Seattle for years, I can also attest to the extreme danger of Asian women behind the wheel. My theory (and it's just a theory) is that like language, there is an optimum developmental time window when we learn how to drive most effectively and learn to interact with machines. It's like trying to learn a language when you're in your 30s or 40s, it's much harder. It can be done, yes, but those skills never approach the competence of someone who had a chance to practice and learn at the appropriate age. That is to say, we learn what we are exposed to. No car, no driving skills. It's not rocket science.

On the other end, we all age and become less competent over time no matter how skilled we once were. It doesn't seem right that the state testing requirements are so lax for many old folks who have absolutely no business being on the road, their feeble minds attached to a pedal controlling a hundred horses or two, representing a serious risk to themselves and others. I see WAY more people driving who appear as though their pulse could stop at any moment than I do Asian women. I give them very wide berth and just shake my head at the idiots at DMV handing out the licenses to anyone who can fog a mirror.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:46 | 1940230 Iwanttoknow
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I usually enjoy your posts.Are you being facetitious?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:06 | 1940274 akak
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If you had ever driven in any large or medium-sized city on the US or Canadian west coast, you would know that he/she is not being facetious in the least.

I can only shudder imagining what drivers in Hong Kong or Shanghai are like.  Anybody with any experience?  Or do Oriental women only become bad drivers after crossing the Pacific?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:51 | 1940379 Praetor
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They are bat shit crazy drivers in Australia as well.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:04 | 1940520 i-dog
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One for Trav:

Q: What do you get when you cross a black with an oriental?

A: A car thief that can't drive!


PS. It's not just oriental women that can't drive!!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:42 | 1940783 jeff montanye
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they make the best cars in the world for the money but can't drive them?  the irony.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:34 | 1940894 Real Estate Geek
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+1 from a denizen of SF

How do you blind an Asian?

You put a windshield in front of her!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:40 | 1941070 akak
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Why do you people keep saying "Asian" when you are specifically referring to Orientals?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 05:39 | 1941187 Jendrzejczyk
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It's a PC thing Ak. My employees politely informed me (ok, they laughed and mocked me) that "Oriental" is no longer acceptable/used.


Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:37 | 1944975 akak
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Then I would "politely" inform your employees that they are clueless sheep and geographically ignorant idiots.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:25 | 1940461 jez
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Yep. Behold the behavior of your great ally in the Middle East.

Prediction: Mrs Clinton, normally so eager to flap her mouth about any country doing anything she doesn't like, will be strangely silent about Saudi Arabian police lashing any woman who gets behind the wheel.

There's feminist solidarity for you.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:19 | 1940634 MsCreant
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I hate that I KNOW you are right. Fair weather feminist.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:54 | 1941018 geekgrrl
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I hear what you're saying. But I would go farther and say Hillary is a fair weather human being. I don't think this represents a failure to be a feminist, I think she has lost her soul. One word: Drones. Another word: Torture. Yet another: Rendition. Sanctioned and facilitated through the State Deptartment.

Evil is as evil does. And yes, she will remain silent while Saudi women are denied the right to drive, and if comments in this thread are to be believed, often subjected to rape by their fathers? WTF?

I know this is supposed to be Friday humor, but I'm not feeling so humorous.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:04 | 1941034 MsCreant
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I felt that and did not cast my net broad enough. Great points.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:33 | 1941060 geekgrrl
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You've made many good points on this thread, and inspired me to speak up. Thanks.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:41 | 1941352 Taint Boil
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WTF ..... ZeroHedge allows women to post here?

Bonus Video - very painful to watch

how many women dose it take to park a car ??? Turn up vol

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:34 | 1941515 falak pema
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Geek, I have to say this : your avatar is very seductive. I am constantly in the clouds when I see it. Good choice to give men promise of irrational urges.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:25 | 1941944 Taint Boil
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Good, at least you know your place LOL ......... Just kidding folks

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 17:52 | 1942318 MsCreant
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In that first one, does that pipe go up your ass while she blows you? Or do you attach your implement to the pipe?

I can see where a Taint Boil might develop out of a situation like that.

I too am just kidding. >:D

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:37 | 1940773 Cathartes Aura
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Hillary calls herself many things, do you believe in the other things she says?

she's a well-versed politician, and was a lawyer, & wife to Bill - I'm sure we can all think of more reasons not to believe her words.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:33 | 1940890 knukles
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Hear tell she was an asshole drinking buddy of that bimbo Monica Lewensky, too.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:57 | 1941094 boattrash
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Holy Shit! I never knew. Bill Clinton throat-fucking Monica, Repubs Fucking their Pages, Butt-Pirate Barney Frank shackin' with a Queer prostitute, and Ben Bernanke Ass-Raping us all. Just because those damned Women drivers...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:50 | 1941660 Cathartes Aura
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wouldn't surprise me at all - both are opportunists, both reconised Bill as a useful tool, a slave to his ego (channeled through his pleasure centre).

once folk grow out the notion that all marriages are love-matches, and see that when money is the goal, alliances are formed, it's all business, particularly in politics (which is all about money & power). . . actually, that appears  to be the raison d'Etat - money & power over.

the ultimate goal / excuse for anything / everything.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:12 | 1939683 Desert Irish
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And we invaded Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia because.......

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1939719 CynicLaureate
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...because for now Saudi Arabia will still sell us oil for dollars.  Iraq wanted to sell oil for Euros.



Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:52 | 1939852 Sudden Debt
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I'm beginning to think it had everything to do with virgins...

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:58 | 1939876 Cadavre
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Speaking of virgins ... did you hear the one about Bernie Madiaff asking the prison psychologist if the reason his [Bernie's] cellmate's dick tasted like shit was because his [Bernie's] cellmate is gay?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:12 | 1940286 4horse
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Speaking of which ...

diversion, becoming its own worst perversion___

and, again, BluffHo, earning it the hard way:

Kardashian Spotted Without Any Makeup at All




                                                                                ___actual Fucking HEADLINE Feature: talk about beating. beating. and just beating a dead camel



Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:42 | 1940904 knukles
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Wow ooowow oowwwwwwwwww
Oh, Jesus God that Fucking Hurts.
That's just irresponsible.
S'a fucking cow.

We need more of this to take our minds off of the horrible reality of that which surrounds us day by day, moment by moment, er oh yeah, they're trying that.....

But that still is no excuse for that picture.
Say, maybe there's some legal action.... created great mental anguish.... say $30 millions worth.....

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:01 | 1939881 Cadavre
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If the US, as reported yesterday on FOX is [indeed] a net exporter of oil, why do we buy from the Zoglyarchial Saudi's? Is Rahm still tippie toe dancing with one of the Saudi prince?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 05:45 | 1950222 geekgrrl
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Really? Is that what they're reporting on Fox?


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:24 | 1939963 Desert Irish
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Silly me.... there I was thinking that it was because Saudia Arabia was such a beacon of light for equality, democracy and other values we hold in such high esteem.....meanwhile those Iraqi's just had it coming....

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:17 | 1939700 XenoFrog
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A Saudi girl I was friends with in College explained to me that virtually every girl over there is sexually abused by her father because they can get away with it, and it's easy access in a society that is so repressed.  So sad...

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1939717 MsCreant
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I really hope she is wrong about that. The statement that makes about men (that all men want to fuck their daughters and must be restrained by law and socialization) is terrifying.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:27 | 1939745 XenoFrog
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In an inhuman system, men to inhuman things.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:43 | 1939802 Gully Foyle
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I see nothing but human traits and reactions in the depiction.

Honestly people just don't understand the entire range of human activity. From the sublime to the base.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:42 | 1940360 jm
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If such abuse is commonplace in Saudi society--again, if it is actually true-- then Saudi society is completely degenerate and its own people should wish it gone forever. 


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:07 | 1940417 nmewn
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Chindit could shed some light on it if he shows up on the thread...he lived & worked there for awhile.

My wild ass guess would be its frowned on but tolerated.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:19 | 1940452 jm
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I have real trouble with any man who looks at his daughter as a piece of pussy.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:37 | 1940485 nmewn
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So do I.

If you want to lose your supper Google up Pashtun pedophile...different country though. Pretty sick shit.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:57 | 1940705 ViewfromUnderth...
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I lived and worked in several Gulf states...after Gulf War 1 and the momentary liberalisation of Saudi society (due to the focus of international press) there were honor killings of women who had taken the liberty of driving cars...rape (and murder) of domestic servants was pretty common...three British nurses were thrown to their deaths from upper floor hotel/apartment rooms because they would not come across at parties..."all Western women are prostitutes" was the second most frequent phrase I heard...and the most frequent phrase? "Hitler was right".

These people are our allies.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:24 | 1940746 AllTheWay
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I was recently in Al-Khobar and that ain't no BS.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1939812 OutLookingIn
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Why would we not expect anything less from the "religion of peace"?

View the attached link from the "Religion of Peace Demonstration" then come to your own conclusion.

Base societies breed base, animalistic tendencies.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:49 | 1939832 Gully Foyle
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Blow a fucking Chimp!

No single religion or philosophy or culture has a monopoly on evil and vile practices.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:58 | 1939875 OutLookingIn
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Be careful - your intelligence level is showing!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:03 | 1939886 OutLookingIn
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@Gu Fo

Then you agree that prohibiting females from driving on pain of whipping is an evil and vile practice?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:55 | 1940061 Dugald
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Beats mud wrestling!!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:08 | 1939892 akak
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But some are certainly more open and embracing of evil and vile practices than others.

If you would deny that, remind me when the last religious war launched in the name of the Buddha occurred?  When did African animists ever launch a Jihad against their Muslim or Christian neighbors?  When did Norse pagans ever denounce Christians as "heretics" and burn them at the stake for their religious beliefs?  When did Shintoists ever tear apart Japan in decades of fratricidal, religious-based civil war, as Europeans did in the 17th century on their own continent?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:31 | 1939986 mick_richfield
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But isn't the central message of Buddhism "Every man for himself" ?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:41 | 1940020 akak
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That is perhaps the most cynical interpretation of Buddhism that I have ever encountered.

And even if one wished to torture the central message of Buddhism into that maxim, one would have to add the caveat "but not at the expense of any other".

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:52 | 1940053 mick_richfield
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No, sorry, it's the funniest.

search for "buddhism"


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:26 | 1940163 akak
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I forgot about that movie!  A classic!

"Cahhhh ... Cahhhhh...... Cahhhhhh ......."

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:56 | 1939868 OutLookingIn
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Sorry - try this link;

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:22 | 1940155 prole
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XenoFrog: "In an inhuman system men to inhuman things."

Funny because in the cultures that "do it" it's the womyn who perform the female genital mutilation that they do.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:41 | 1940497 Cathartes Aura
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yes, they do - do you know why?

because otherwise they will not be able to "marry" - the men in those cultures need absolute assurance of "virginity" to the point of the young girls being sewn up until they are given over to their partner - some men even sew the females back up whenever they feel like it, or if they're off on a road trip, etc.

it is a rare female in those cultures who can exist on her own, without leaving their extended families and country of birth.

oh, and excising the clitoris - same deal, the men are convinced a female mustn't have any "pleasure spots" else they'd be tempted to leave their "husbands."

so, it's a male requirement, fulfilled by the older females who see no other option for their girl children.

by the way, same thing with china & footbinding the young girls, which crippled them for life - it was considered the height of sexy for the men to have a "concubine" who could only lay in bed, waiting, festering feet wrapped in tiny silk pods.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:32 | 1939762 Jena
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That doesn't make sense to me.  I don't think that all adult men are sexually attracted to their daughters naturally.  I think it's a subset and repressive cultures enhance the power dynamic and resultant abuse.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1939814 King_of_simpletons
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It's called the Westermarck Effect.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:31 | 1939984 MsCreant
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Agree. Also a culture of entitlement and one that teaches men that women are "objects."

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:26 | 1940162 prole
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As opposed to the Western "culture" of entitlement that teaches women that men are (in addition to evil exploiters molesters sexists etc) -- ahem, that teaches womyn that men are "objects" to be plundered for financial gain in the event of divorce or childbirth event. Lifelong financial gain if you have the right lawyer.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:46 | 1940501 Cathartes Aura
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not a great comparison, as the solution for men is simple - don't marry.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:41 | 1940667 LeZinc
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That, or pre-nup contract.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 05:37 | 1941176 Incubus
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Contemporary western values do not promote such a thing as "marriage."

Besides--social butterfly women are hell to be around for any prolonged amount of time. Ever stop and just listen to them talk?  They sound like hens.  I think about what I'd do if I ever ended up with some gossiping hen, and I realize I'd probably end up in prison for murder.

And they only keep their looks for about two decades before they're just the ugly ass old ball and chain.  Personality matters, a lot--and most of these women have been conditioned to feminist bullshit and think that men need to be walking wallets for them--like they're royalty, or something.

Cheaper in the long run if you don't get into any kind of legal union with 'em.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:06 | 1941690 Cathartes Aura
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you are definitely the type of man I advised to just not marry - one who hates women, loves money, and wants sex.

save your money for a more "honest" sexual interaction, one where you rent a fawning fake smile & naked body for an agreed sum & fixed time limit - both parties know the script, both get what they came for.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:19 | 1940736 prole
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I agree, it's not a great comparison, as the solution for men is simple - go against all your basic instincts, don't have any children, just kill yourself men the solution is simple! Thanx aura, you are a real problem solver!

Guess what- say what you want brainwashed Arab hating Ameriserfs, the Arabs are procreating and reproducing, unlike "us" but we are just so damn superior aren't we??  I now return you to your regular scheduled Saudi-bashing and superior tut-tutting....

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:48 | 1940794 Cathartes Aura
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not a very creative thinker, are you prole.

either marry & get fucked over by the evil womyn or

go against all your basic instincts, don't have any children, just kill yourself men the solution is simple!

no other options eh? either!! or!!

here's a suggestion, decide what it is you desire, and why, then go out into the world and, with honesty, see if anyone is interested.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:41 | 1940903 prole
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I agree I'm not very smart or creative.

And I don't recall saying women are evil, Men are getting slammed on this thread without the slightest defense offered. I was just trying to point out that maybe men aren't absolutely horrific beasts as (evidently everyone else on this thread) totally agrees on? true?? And that women are capable of just as much or more evil than men. Madeline Albrite and Janet Reenu have killed more children than any mass murdering psycho outside of government I can think of.

AND- not getting married and/or not having children is denying oneself the human companionship of a mate and not having progeny is the extermination of the line. If this is done ~by choice~ It is killing yourself.  I think it is either/or, yes.

And thanks for your suggestion, but I already tried that, and nobody was interested. Well that's not exactly true, but it's a long story and we must sleep.....

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:42 | 1941076 MsCreant
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Women are capeable of much evil. I am really sorry you took it as a male bashing party. I adore men. Women can look at men as pocketbooks to raid. They are wrong to do so. I don't (I could not be a partner if I did that, I want a partner not a daddy), but I may have had opportunities to be independant that most women on the globe have not. Dependence is a bitch. Women have too much of it. Men don't get to have enough of it and be thought of as okay. The results are skewed and sad. You guys have to buck up too much when really you need support. I am not full of shit when I say that. When my husband lets me in and see him having a hard time and trusts me with it, I am deeply honored by it. We are so hard on you, and you are so hard on each other, I get what it means if he trusts me.

If Frog's friend was right, the implications are horrifying. I may not have the "why" correct in that post, but I stand by it. 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:37 | 1941757 Cathartes Aura
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okay, all snark aside, lets just look at the institution of marriage, historically and currently. . .

historically, men have taken wives to have as home-makers and to breed with - the "exchange" is the woman is provided for and caretakes the children born - brought forward to "now" what's the exchange?

IF a woman has the means to provide for herself, the idea of marriage doesn't seem such a great one - therefore "love" gets introduced to the social storyline (historically it has not been a priority nor often an option), and THAT's where it gets dishonest and confusing.  Lust is not love, but produces similar hormones, and because of historical storylines (can't have sex without "love" or you're BAD, etc.), people end up lying to get what they want - it's a lot more complicated than this, of course, but the basics is people are not being honest, with themselves or each other, because honesty isn't valued as much as the script is valued - people, male & female, BELIEVE their scripts, and life goes on.

question the lines you've memorised, discard the script, THEN see what happens.

people here talk of taking the red pill all the time - but apparently the "red pill" only applies to money & government?  hahhahhhhhhah

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:40 | 1939788 Gully Foyle
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Heinlein advocated incest. Once birth control came on the scene sex was just sex, nothing more.



Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:33 | 1939992 MsCreant
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His clone daughters wanted to have sex with him. 

What of a daughter that is forced to have sex with her father when she does not want to? If she is under 18 she has no power to say no.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:29 | 1940175 prole
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Sex with the father is still safer than a bath with the mother.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:18 | 1940306 Jendrzejczyk
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I'm lost. Thought this was the humor thread and now I'm depressed and disgusted.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:47 | 1940506 nmewn
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Same to lighter environs...all I want to do is stake people to ant piles when this kind of crap comes up.

Part of being an adult is an inate responsibility for those who are not adults. When they happen to be in your care its an even greater responsibility. When they are your own its destroy everything in your path to get to the son-of-a-bitch that touched them.

People without kids will never understand.

I'm gone.

Tue, 05/15/2012 - 02:16 | 2426038 headless blogger
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It's a gang of trolls that frequent websites that are making an impact. They are probably paid very well to do it.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:16 | 1940858 trav7777
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and when you have your dipshit race equality theories, you see what that leads you to?

We're not filthy fucking arabs over here, ok?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 03:19 | 1941122 MsCreant
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I have posted to you before on the race issue. Sometimes you come back around to talk, some times not. I'll give this an effort and check back.

This one is a cultural issue, not race. The color of the skin and crook of the nose does not dictate that he is going to want to fuck his daughter. I'll give it to you, if this is indeed the culture, then yeah, I don't like it. But that does not mean that all of them are like that and that I should discriminate based on this information (nor even be prejudiced against them). Over generalization is dangerous. 

You say I am full of shit on this but I swear it feels like you are walking wounded regarding the race issue. Your reactivity against blacks and other races is what makes me think this is true. Your reactivity is inside you, not something that is stimulated by others and comes out of you. 

You say some fucked up things about women sometimes. I doubt you are Arab.

You gave some stats over on another thread, but you must be aware of economic differences being corelated to outcomes on IQ scores. Jews scored lower on IQ tests in the early 20th century when they first came to the US and they were poor. When their income went up, their IQ scores went up. African American students in enrichment programs in NY have seen their IQ scores go up in the past several years. Those programs inject serious funding into the schools.

Also, white people write the tests so there is a bias against non-whites performing well.

Asians and Jews have cultural support for education.

I had to hide the fact that I was working on a Ph.D. from some of my family because, wait for it, I was going to school for too long and I needed to get out of school and get married. This is a LOT of my family. My grandmother thought anything past a 2 year degree for a woman was a waste (she had a BS, regretted her time in college).

Culturally, I know for a fact my black students get made fun of for being in college by their black non-college attending counterparts because they are perceived as "trying to be white." Furthermore young black men are not seen as being "real men" when they seek an education AND sometimes will even be labeled "gay" for it. Again, a cultural artifact, not a matter of race. These are formidable forces to move against when you seek to better your circumstances.

The things I perceive you to be attributing to biology are socially constructed.

And what is a race anyway, but a social construction. How can you say one person is black and another not when both are shades of brown? Too much racial mixing thanks to the fine tradition of masters raping slaves for any of these categories to make much sense.

I know you don't give a shit, but I respect your measured point of view on many issues, you bring value here. Otherwise I would not bother to talk to you. 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 05:47 | 1941192 Incubus
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social constructs are my kool-aid. quit dipping, plz



Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:50 | 1941807 Cathartes Aura
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excellent stuff MsC - I particularly like this:

white people write the tests so there is a bias against non-whites performing well.

the lens we view others through includes a myth that "white, western" and even "american" culture is vastly superior and everyone else is a childlike prole.  this is the story of colonialism, justifying murder & theft & slavery.  now that "slavery" is being seen in the "homeland" (not everyone sees their ear tag yet, but many are beginning to), the awareness of the lie can be seen through. . .

but of course, one needs to give up the notion of superiority simply by skin colour - it's just a perspective that benefits the teller, always a person who needs the lie as a boost to justify actions or beliefs.

blah blah, you know this, *nods*

cultural conditioning, everybody has one.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:53 | 1940922 knukles
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Considering they bugger goats, mules, camels and little boys as well, I don't think it has anythiing to do with men generically and the thin veneer of civilization, but rather a cultural deficiency by western standards.

That's in part, BTW, for what stereotypes are meant.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 04:52 | 1941169 ViewfromUnderth...
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As verified by Robert Fisk and the reference to the camel-love he observed was edited out at, I think,  The Grauniad.

Mind you, western fathers and Catholic priests have not covered themselves in glory post war....lot of abuse has come to light.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:28 | 1941504 falak pema
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well, according to Freud ...all men wanted to fukk their mothers. So if you believe in symmetry, just saying...Having said that I think paternal instincts are the same world over. So I'm kidding about the remark that Saudi fathers are different.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:34 | 1941625 Andre
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Freud was living proof the most screwed up people in any room are the psychiatrists.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:30 | 1939751 Stochdoc
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or her brothers.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:52 | 1940512 hackettlad
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Because your Saudi girl knows the condition of virtually every other Saudi girl - seriously get a grip.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:55 | 1940683 LeZinc
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(I didn't -1 you, your argument seems valid if you don't know that kind of society)

Yes, she might know about hundreds of other girls. Women and girls in those societies get together ALL THE TIME (they're not allowed to work for a living). They talk, confide, joke, exchange, shop, party together. They know everything on everybody all the time. They are not isolated home, waiting for their men to come back home, they have a life. Not the greatest life though, and that's why they live in tightly woven community. These women are more psychologicaly balanced on average than their american, "free" counter-parts.

Humour pic, to lighten the admosphere.


Sat, 12/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1941270 mjk0259
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Aren't the sons at higher risk?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:08 | 1939656 HedgeAccordingly
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Speaking of women -

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:09 | 1939665 MsCreant
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New Robot Trader pic.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:22 | 1939722 Comay Mierda
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she looks like a dude

this will mess with your head -

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:47 | 1939827 Gully Foyle
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Comay Mierda

Alan: You ever been to the far east, Michael?
Michael: Well, only Manilla, Hong Kong and Bangkok, like.
Alan: [Interested] Bangkok?
Michael: Aye.
Alan: Erm, so what did you see in Bangkok?
Michael: Oh I saw the Golden Temple, man. Beautiful, it was.
Alan: Yeah, what else?
Michael: Er, well there was the river market, like. All the little boats come up and they’ve got
all the fresh produce on them, and –
Alan: [Walking out the bathroom and interrupting] Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael. Come
on, tell me about the ladyboys.
Michael: Oh, you mean those transsexuals? Aye, I seen them, but, you know, they’re
disgusting I kept away from them.
Alan: Oh God, yeah, yeah. Fascinating creatures, though. Looks like a lady, but really it’s a
man. I don’t find them attractive, it’s just confusing. I don’t suppose you’ve got any army
stories about them?
Michael: I did hear about this corporal, right?

[Alan lies down on the bed, listening to Michael’s story, fascinated.]

Michael: And he’s in the third battalion this lad, but he’s right mean, OK? And he goes out in
Bangkok, right? And all the prostitutes is comin’ up and saying "How much?", and he’s going
"Oh I’m not paying that", right? And then this beautiful lassie comes up –

[While Michael tells his story, Lynn knocks on the door.]

Michael: – she’s gorgeous, man. And she’s half the price of the others. And they’re getting
down to it –

[Lynn enters the room]

Michael: – he puts his hand up her skirt, gets a hold of the old meat and two veg, right?
Thinks, hang on, I’ve paid my money, I’m going to have something, so he flips him over,
and he fu-...

[Michael has just noticed Lynn, standing in the corner of the room.]

Michael: And funnily enough, it lands on its wheels, and it starts first time and they just drive
Alan: Strangest story I’ve ever heard. [Gets up] Oh, hello. Lynn. Oh! I see what you were…
ah, right, yes. Hello, Michael was just telling me an army story about a friend of his who slept
with… a landrover. Lonely nights in the desert.
Michael: That’s all fixed, now, Mr. Partridge. I’ll be on my way.
Alan: Right, OK.
Michael: [To Lynn, on his way out] Morning.
Alan: Just check, that wasn’t the real ending to the story, was it?
Michael: No.
Alan: You were just saying that because Lynn’s here?
Michael: Aye.
Alan: Right, fine.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:03 | 1940527 Tsunami Wave
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That is fucking insane!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1939815 Gully Foyle
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Toronto Sun runs a new Sunshine Girl daily. Why the fuck do so many Canuckettes have their navels pierced?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:20 | 1939956 OutLookingIn
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Probably for the same reason you have a bone in your nose!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:24 | 1939964 Undecided
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cause we like our metals :)

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:56 | 1940702 LeZinc
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:56 | 1940808 Cathartes Aura
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because the paper/photographers are biased towards that look?

few years back it was all "inflatables" for the topless pics - social conditioning, that's the realm of "newspapers" now.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:46 | 1939821 4horse
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Speaking of women-

Arianna, the richest New Muse of all media, is making good on that feminist promise which was {is} this kinder, gentler america . . . where uncouth comments are naturally enough screened by moderators who --when it comes to my own few posts-- first effectively delay their appearance, for hours, and the-back-of-the-bus, sight unseen: or, most recently, as with her very own Adored Report on 18 Ideas of the last year, routinely wipe'em clean while gently and kindly diaper do-doing what such cunts and collaborationists have always done          merely so sweetly just have them                  disappearing

here's an idea, whose time has come, just not to you and your bluffho: Shame
Shame that you, of course together with your buyers, The Big Pimp, sell what you do, your mouths, your media, by sucking citizens down into an oblivious hellhole which is this total A-holery of your AOLery, together, disseminat­­ing this stench of your collusion and moral squalor upon the otherwise good yet ignorant citizens of this their own country. owned. sold. enslaved

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:52 | 1940056 4horse
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In Addition to + that is, -subtracting


Albert, The Apotheosis, as we're told, upon being questioned by an eager as well as impressionable young reporter about how he got all of his, ideas --whether walking. talking to others. working at his desk. writing them down. daydreaming. where where where did he get them all-- to which the einstein ostensibly but modestly-enough answered, "Please. I've only had one or two . . . "

while here, 18  
in just 1year

out of evidently a genius if not gene pool of over 300 of them

but how many thieves . . . of ideas. perhaps not felonious, in the Grand Larceny-like sense of these things, most people to live and die without so much as close to even 1stolen auto, and so left with what's little more than passing opinion

everybody's got one. Opinion, that is. but, however ubiquitous, uninformed or just plain stinking-up-the-place, come to find out that here, HuffPo, IMHO are even little daily and mundane ideas not safe from thieves, aka moderators, screen these comments before they are published, and whose ideas here of what's seen/not seen, obscene, especially on 1specific subject, are somehow exactly the same as, of all things, banking regulators . . .


for example, on deposit, right now while writing this very missive, are two of my own comments still missing . . .


gone. nowhere


and --as has now happened at least 6-7-8times before, who knows. who's counting. yet who can? when they've all just                                     disappeared                                not stolen. of course. exactly. nor censored, actually, being of such little importance-- havalaff: in a comments section! fer-cryin-ot-loud. written to be dismissed, just like the witless riffraff from which it issues, as if itself witness to both our own plural as well as singular insignificance. letters-to-the-editor. hysterical. notify the authorities. please, yer-killin-me. complaint department. ROTFLMFAO! as is now said, wit yer deadletter center. blank statements. bank statements  .  .  .                                 .  .  .  uh oh. like, where-did-it-all-go. REGULATORS! and not to forget even little moderators, might well be suspicious, when missing, what, a few here. billion. several there. trillion. and not so prettily soon you're talkin bout some Real BIG IDEAS


Whose  .  .  .                                                                                                  .  .  .  omitted. missing. unmentionable, specifically, which is what here seems just so yet again all demographically fixed, ff'ed and chimerically hysterical: sentences. after sentences. comments section. after section. except sex. volumes. accumulating, their daily debris. hour after hour. words words words, and their attempt at an Idea                                                                                                        disappearing


los desparaceidos


my 2c's worth. worthless. yet lost

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:12 | 1940297 akak
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Somehow, this all sounds cryptically familiar.

You don't happen to translate consumer manuals for Chinese-made goods into English, do you?


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:03 | 1939629 Boba Fiat
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Agreed.  Compare women of the 21st century with women of the 19th century.  Which are the bigger sluts?  Case closed.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:28 | 1939744 WhiteNight123129
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Assuming you are right, why are they complaining then?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1939813 distopiandreamboy
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We should probably note the decline in prostitution during that period, and also the increase in porn. The increase in porn requires further study.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:55 | 1940065 CrazyCooter
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I have ADHD when I try to study that subject ... interesting ... very interesting ... and then a sudden loss of interest. I will never pass the fucking exam!



Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:04 | 1940939 knukles
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ADHD can make your hands shake, too.
Drool, roll your eyes, moan, giggle 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:06 | 1939648 Teamtc321
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Just think if Robo titties was let loose to drive............. I might have to agree, lol

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:17 | 1939697 Nascent_Variable
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Letting Saudi women drive would certainly cause a huge uptick in accidents.

There's no way they have good peripheral vision while wearing those ninja masks.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:36 | 1939769 Smiddywesson
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Saudi Photo ID:  The picture on the driver's license would be of a hood with just a tiny slit for the eyes.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:34 | 1939758 WhiteNight123129
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Wouldn´t you want to suicide bomb yourself in such a repressive society? Think about it: No porn, no prostitution, no homosexuality and no way to divorce from your nightmarish wife. You can´t really blame the Saudi for being ready to blow themselves up....

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:51 | 1939841 LongBallsShortBrains
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Just try and work things out with the misses. You don't need the porn or the prostitutes..........

Well if the misses is so bad that you got to consider becoming a homo, just get a divorce....

Or blow yourself up ( hint: take her out too )

Then again, maybe it's you?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:28 | 1940171 Joeman34
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Please change your avatar.  I throw-up a little in my mouth everytime I see it.  Thanks from the ZH Community.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:06 | 1940944 knukles
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Yeah, but you can accuse them of adultery and have them beaten to death by the local clergy or some such shit.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1939811 Ruffcut
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LOL, I can't afford my old lady (witch I love, like that "witch") let alone a hot milf.  

Is that why the woman pay more attention to me at the grocery?

Do they take mastercard? That might be priceless.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:49 | 1940912 covert
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arabia already has those problems. virgin nuns drive just fine. capital markets stress people in favor of women driving. capitalism is the strongest drive of human nature and therefore always rules soon enough. when the arabian women start driving, it will be bumper cars all over arabia. that should keep the sharia judges busy. so, what did muhammad say about women driving cars?

even allah can't beat capitalism.


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1939618 TruthInSunshine
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I am not sexist or an ethnicist in any way, shape or form, but I'm also not politically correct by any metric, either.

But I must confess that if I ever see an unveiled Asian female driving towards me on a Saudi Arabian Street in an Indian made Tata Nano, with a Hasidic Jew in the backseat, being pursued by Saudi Police in large Chevrolet Caprice Classics, I won't know WTF to do.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:02 | 1939621 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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This from a country where men hold hands.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:11 | 1939672 MsCreant
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Bush liked it. Kissing too.

Edit: To avoid partisan bullshit, Obama bows to it.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:22 | 1939698 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Bush loves it.

Obama bends over for it.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:02 | 1939622 redpill
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And apparently allowing men to drive leads to rampant misogyny.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:28 | 1939747 flattrader
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Not to mention talk out their ass-hats without looking at any data.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:57 | 1940519 Cathartes Aura
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"What accounts for this disparity?

Some researchers believe the explanation is to be found hormones related to aggessiveness, others put more emphasis on data such as the measurebly greater alcohol use among men while driving."

at least the "Asian females" mentioned above are more rare - virtually every time I get on a freeway, in my rear view mirror I can see the Honda Civic weaving in & out of lanes at high speed, like a video game, till WHOOOOSH!!! the young male zips on by, scoring points in his mind, on his way to his evolutionary destiny. . .

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:03 | 1939628 Cursive
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Replace "women" with "bankers" and i could agree with this.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:39 | 1939785 Clay Hill
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For the full effect substitute " drive in Saudi" with " breathe anywhere".

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:04 | 1939633 Hugh_Jorgan
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I love to ask the politically-correct Liberals what they think of Sharia-driven Islam and then spring a few tidbits like this on them.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:03 | 1940963 knukles
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See, this is living proof that there are indeed mentally deficient people here, definitely in need of serious professional help, junking a comment so erudite and pure in its politically correct application. 


Hugh Jorgan...  That is funny.
Impressively pre pubescent and immature, but really funny.
The joy of adolesence. 


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:04 | 1939637 MsCreant
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"Currently, women caught driving in the kingdom may be lashed as punishment."

"Hit me baybee one more time."

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:09 | 1939667 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Prince writes a close majority of Top 40 songs. 

He must be into BDSM.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:42 | 1939800 Willzyx
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They love crappy washed up American pop music.  I was in the Middle East and remember the hotel playing a steady stream of Brittany, Michael Jackson, and the Backstreet Boys. 

I was talking to a local who loved Ricky Martin songs, even though he might be "a little gay."  I informed him that Ricky Martin is quite gay, and says so himself.  The Arab man said he would break all of his Ricky Martin CD's immediately upon returning home.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:34 | 1939764 blu
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Then I guess they don't have as big an issue with BDSM. Whodathunkit?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:18 | 1940447 misnomer
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After three days home with a husband and two sons sick with the flu, I'd take lashings for getting the heck out of here!  Cause nothing says I'm sick of this freaking place like a driveway full of rubber...

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:04 | 1939640 tekhneek
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Toe exposure is also running rampant. Damn brazen hussies showing off their toes all whore-like. For the love of Allah this shit's ridiculous.

I agree women can't drive, but I don't necessarily think they should be banned from it. Fucking Saudi's. Crazy people.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:36 | 1939768 NuYawkFrankie
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brazen hussies LOL!

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