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FT Report That Greek Bailout Package On The Verge Of Collapse After Surge In Greek Funding Needs Sends Stocks, Euro Plunging From Highs

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Wondering what just caused the market to slump? Take a wild guess. That's right - Greece. Minutes after Greece passed a vote in which it promised to promise to promise to consider collecting 1998-1999 taxes (even as all of its tax collectors are about to go on permanent strike), the FT was breaking news that while the Troika was "bailing out" Greece in the past years, the country was spending itself into an  even greater oblivion. As a result, the terms of the July 21 Second Greek Bailout will most certainly need to be renegotiated, with banks having to take even greater write downs on the bond exchange, and with far more capital having to be injected into the country. The result is the France and the ECB are panicking because as we all know, any additional write downs will expose just how undercapitalized French banks already are (no need to even mention the world's most toxic hedge fund: Trichet et Cie). Should this story pick up traction, look for Europe to open limit down again tomorrow.

From the FT:

A split has opened in the eurozone over the terms of Greece’s second €109bn bail-out with as many as seven of the bloc’s 17 members arguing for private creditors to swallow a bigger writedown on their Greek bond holdings, according to senior European officials.


The divisions have emerged amid mounting concerns that Athens’ funding needs are much bigger than estimated just two months ago. They threaten to unpick a painfully negotiated deal reached with private sector bond holders in July.


While hardliners in Germany and the Netherlands are leading the calls for more losses to be imposed on the private sector, France and the European Central Bank are fiercely resisting any such move. They fear re-opening the bond deal could spark renewed selling of shares in European banks, which have significant holdings of Greek and other peripheral eurozone debt.


Because of the recent economic downturn and Greece’s slow implementation of austerity measures, officials estimate Athens’ funding needs over the next three years have grown beyond the €172bn forecast this summer. The scale of the shortfall will be determined by international lenders over the next few weeks.

So let's get this straight: the funding hole was €109 billion two months ago, and it is €172 billion, an incremental diferential of €63 billion in two months, or €360 billion annualized.

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:28 | 1715905 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Go long rumor-mill.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:34 | 1715938 waylon153
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Dammit!  This rumor mill monkey hammering is hurting my head....

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:42 | 1715980 Popo
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Any second we'll hear the "Tanks in the streets",  financial-blitzkrieg argument.

"You must give up your national sovereignty RIGHT NOW because this is an EMERGENCY!!! THERE IS NO TIME TO DEBATE THIS!"

Let's hope cooler heads prevail -- Let the banker scum immolate themselves.   This is not an emergency for everyone.   Life will go on.




Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:02 | 1716066 TruthInSunshine
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Watch the markets close unchanged or modestly up, with 5 minutes to go, from +3% earlier, all on the basis that the facts are JUST beginning to trump the propaganda.

Just wait until that process of factual realization accelerates, and the propaganda is discounted as soon as it's shat out.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:31 | 1716160 dwdollar
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I thought after the Greek 1 Year went over 100% we'd finally get some truth from the more sensible governments in the EU.  Wow, was I wrong!  They are intent and quite capable of keeping this circus going for longer than anyone suspects.  As we tumble down the rabbit hole, the weird will become normal, and the really weird will become just weird.  On and on...  These are the times which future generations look back upon and ask how the fuck people could have been so stupid.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:36 | 1716179 iDealMeat
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I'm no fan of the hitler era. However, I can certainly understand how the German folks elected him to power, sans internet.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:04 | 1716482 Bicycle Repairman
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Just so we all understand, the Greeks aren't paying.  Make up any programs, rumors, whatever.  The Greeks aren't paying

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:04 | 1716812 franzpick
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And here's a report from a greek local on how greeks are not paying, put here by me because the fed, geithner, and the eu crowd deserve imho a good pasting:

On the ground report from Greece by Manos
September 11, 2011

Today, after two years of screwing and pressing us, most households and businesses have stopped paying. Stopped paying taxes, utility bills, toll fees, or anything else related to the government.

Two hours ago, this same government announced a new property tax (added to the 2 previous ones). This one will be calculated on every and each household, business, cottage, or even a barn for animals. It will be 4 euros per square meter calculated immediately, to be paid by this December the latest.

Which property tax will also not ever be paid: bailing out unpayable debt with more debt, while tax revenues collapse, is an impending disaster hiding in plain sight, and I will not run out of popcorn waiting for the currency danse macabre and the credit, trade and commerce collapse to become unsuppressable headline news.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 06:39 | 1717753 reload
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Apparently the property tax is to be collected via electricity meters - but the electrical unions have said they will refuse to collect it!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:25 | 1716533 Bring the Gold
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So I should go pro? Apologies to Hunter S.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:33 | 1716170 Skid Marks
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.....and nobody is even slightly embarrassed by all the lying. Wouldn't it be refreshing if a reporter, or newspaper editor or any media persona was tarred and feathered and hauled off on a rail for telling lies.  Oh well. Back to the Disney channel.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:20 | 1716340 NotApplicable
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There are no such things as lies in a political world, as it implies something was said. Instead, if you look closely, you'll notice nothing but meaningless phrases which are used to make implications, which are then used within the mind of the listener to create the idea that the speaker actually said something.

But they didn't. It was all imagined.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:17 | 1716845 StychoKiller
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Well, that's a relief!  I thought I was losing my marbles -- turns out it was just typical Political doublespeak! :>D

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:19 | 1717192 Bring the Gold
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Great post NotApplicable.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:09 | 1716071 Kitler
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Yes the ECB will no doubt demand control over the bailed out ban... err.. countries fiscal and social policies. It is essential that the neccessary cuts and privatizations should only be made by those who can best determine value.

Perhaps it is time the Euro experiment should be ended. Kill the Euro and merge it with the US dollar.

Call it the Enduro?


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:33 | 1716164 knukles
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Denominations like the old pound, shilling and pence;

24 Lieses make one Falsetto,
12 Falsettos manke 1 Enduro.
1 Enduro plus one Falsetto is a Ainnal
100 Ainnals is a DSBR (Dis Shit Be Real)
1,000,000 DSBR's has initially been set equal to 1 gram of gold With The Promise to retain full convertibility without predetermined value at any point of time in the future as of yet to be recognized by the to be established (subsequent to formal approval by each and every EU and ECB member as well as Ms. Thaznotreel O'Fuckme of Cheapside, Cornwall) Euro Replacement Ainnal Temporary Blue Ribbon Study and Unlimited Debate Extended Dreary Meeting and Conference Group.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:55 | 1716443 Miles Kendig
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Post of the day

 Everything Is Broken (R. L. Burnside)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:59 | 1716064 beaker
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I have crisis fatigue....

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:21 | 1716143 Debugas
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go to Greece and cool your feet ;)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:36 | 1715947 DoChenRollingBearing
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This has been a very long running horror movie.  I am stuffed full of popcorn...  But, I will throw on another batch and watch the markets.  It has been a long strange trip waiting for the crack-up.  

But it is coming.  Got gold?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:48 | 1716015 SheepDog-One
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I'm watching all of season 1 of The Walking Dead right now, good reality show.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:53 | 1716035 junkyardjack
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You should read the comic book, it prepares you for what will come very well.  Pillaging, killing, hiding in jails to keep out "the others".  I'd also recommend World War Z or Zombie Survival Guide, it'll tip you to the places you need to find when the world governments collapse

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:57 | 1716051 SheepDog-One
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Ive read both of them as well.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:57 | 1716056 Frog-And-Toad
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Haha I just did the same with my roommate this weekend... 

It got us talking about the coming systematic collapse that's coming (he's a Therapist and has no idea just how bad it really is), and I think he's starting to realize that a Walking Dead type scenario could actually happen (minus the zombies of course).  But think about the episdoe with the Latin gang taking care of the elders.  

For those not prepared, life will be a constant battle.  I'll take bullion and guns right now, thank you very much

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:36 | 1716182 knukles
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"he's a Therapist and has no idea just how bad it really is"

Coulda been "he's a Keynesian has no idea how bad it really is", either.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:43 | 1715948 TruthInSunshine
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This is the biggest charade of an equity Ponzi rally that I've ever witnessed (in such short an interval). EFSF is DOA. It's not going to happen.

If anyone thinks that the majority or even a plurality of Germans will cast votes to change the German Constitution, to support the PIIGS+France+UK bailout, which is legally what will be absolutely required for the EFSF, or any terrible derivative thereof, to be enacted, please go on record now.

Short the ever living shit out of this PIIG(S+France+UK) of a market rally.

The world is high and dry, and banks are busted, and the long knives are about to pulled out over in Europe.

After the crash, the financial 'experts' and talking heads on bubble-vision will all be proclaiming that "no one could have seen this coming," although it's literally handwriting on the wall.

As a final note, I love hearing how publicly traded corporations are sitting on 2 trillion USD in cash, as they also are sitting on 12 trillion USD in debt, presently.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:47 | 1716008 hambone
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But ETF sir,

if the EFSF x infinity won't work, then think man, think...they'll come up with another whopper to be followed by more ludicrous whopper...and Liesman will be there to "break" them all. 

Credibility is in the saying, so they'll say anything as long as anyone will listen.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:49 | 1716021 SheepDog-One
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The carrot on the end of this stick is looking pretty mushy and rotten.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:19 | 1716136 SokPOTUS
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...and having a shriveled carrot is no fun...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:47 | 1716012 jdelano
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My sentiments exactly.  Got greedy and was waiting for a last ramp up into the close to stack my puts so my entry price was with the market at +200 instead of +300, but if we go up tomorrow I will double double down.  No stress about it anymore.  The game has gotten downright silly, more predictable than a Tyler Perry flick.   

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:05 | 1716084 tekhneek
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On those 300-400+ up days just load up on TZA, SKF and FAZ and wait...


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:24 | 1716148 PD Quig
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I'm short as shit and long the USD (for a trade), but this idiocy is crazy-making. There is no technical, there is no fundamental, there is only Steve Liesman and assorted other shills to leak sewerage into the collective economic consciousness. There are many people spread out across the western world who are actively trying to screw the common man.

Would it be harsh to say that the damage they have caused deserves capital(ist) punishment?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:46 | 1716545 Bring the Gold
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double post

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:28 | 1716548 Bring the Gold
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Anyone else think reality is giving us a hint when the biggest rumormonger shill is named LIESman? I mean come on, that's too good for fiction!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:42 | 1716198 Vincent Vega
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Truth, I posted on another ZH story a little while ago that I believe the Germans will cave and vote for the plan. (i got a few junks too). I don't like it, I don't agree with it, I hope it doesn't pass, and I think it is a stupid idea; but I think they will eek out a yes vote. This is the ultimate can kick. The system is toast. This will be the final hail Mary before Europe goes down. (imho) Either way I think the vote will be close.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:48 | 1716227 jdelano
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Question--assuming they do launch this plan, which seems to be more of a cyanide pill than a solution, where will the leverage come from?  (Rhetorical, leading)  Who is going to vountarily grab hold of the hot potato?  That's right.  Nobody.  The "plan" is complete horseshit.   

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:11 | 1716290 Vincent Vega
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I agree with you...the plan is for shit. Since when has a bad plan EVER stopped TPTB from going ahead with it. I'll let you answer your own question by asking a question: who is "the lender" of last resort? The best thing that could possibly happen to Germany is for the entire plan to fall apart so that there is no need for a vote.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:49 | 1716613 Bring the Gold
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Dispense with the idea that the current system being saved is the TPTB end goal and much becomes clear. They want a new, more evil, less opaque and far more centralized system to rise like a phoenix from the ashes of the current one. Still blows my mind that folks don't see this as the final goal.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:43 | 1716760 Cathartes Aura
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+++ Bring the Gold.

I was resisting posting just this until I'd read down the thread, and I'm surprised more don't point out the fact - end game is to cause the SHOCK to the system(s), in as many ways as possible, until the "voters" BEG to be saved from the resulting chaos by a GLOBAL governing FORCE. . .

everything will lead to THIS, and indeed, appears to be crumbling along quite nicely so far. . . one can "hope" voting in certain favourite leaders can "save" the system, or making scads of monies to "escape" it, or whatever the strategy is - but never doubt their stated goals.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:39 | 1716910 Bring the Gold
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Its far too scary for the average middle or lower tier rich person to imagine the level of betrayal that is taking place. I tend to see the following thinking played out again and again on ZH:

"But...but...but I've benefitted so much from the system and surely those that run the system always meant for me to benefit not to accrete personal power for themselves with my good fortune merely being a side effect! I especially reject any thesis that might include the thought that I am irrelevant to the elite's plans and in fact now obsolete in my place holder societal stabilizer role."

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:55 | 1717123 Buck Johnson
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Bingo, they thought that they where on the elite or TPTB team.  They thought that as long a they said the right things and looked the part, they would be okay, wrong.  The elite looked at these useful idiots as just that useful idiots. If you can't have enough common sense to look after yourself in their mind, then you aren't a apex predator like the elite.  Greece is needing another 63 billion euros to a totall of 172 billion euros in only 2 months.  Now here's something that isn't being said, if they are burning through money as fast as they are, this bailout will only last (if agreed too) until possibly Feburary of next year.  I don't even believe the 172 billion euros, it might be even more right now.  Greece is a money pit that can't pay back any of the debt that they have.  They are essentially at half a trillion euros in debt if this 172 billion goes through.  And how is a country with a population of 11 million and change going to be able to have a tax base big enough to pay these debts.  LA has a Metro population of 15 million and change and it would be like they oweing half a trillion dollars by themselves.

This is a suicide pact, but this time the suicide won't be averted it will happen.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:16 | 1717180 Bring the Gold
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Yep, very well said. Greece is just the tip of the iceberg too. The US, UK, Japan and PIS countries make Greece look like a pimple on the global debt problem's ass. 

Btw, "apex predator" the perfect term I plan on stealing that Buck. Just very well said all the way through sad I can only give you +1.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 08:20 | 1717930 Vincent Vega
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Bring the Gold, I never said they were trying to save the system. I agree completely that they are trying to get us to the system you describe. So which is better for the oligarchy achieving that objective: 1) keep Greece a debt slave. 2) Have Greece default and wipe the slate clean.

There is more money and control in option #1. If I were the oligarchy I would want everyone to be a debt slave.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:22 | 1716860 StychoKiller
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Even if the German public does indeed vote against such lunacy, WHO is counting the votes??

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:42 | 1715979 scatterbrains
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grain mills bitches...  some of yuz will be stealing out of feed bins before it's all said and done

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:42 | 1715982 Stoploss
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Long Lies  man..

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:18 | 1716133 Muddy1
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Greece isn't the only Euro country, oh hell, it isn't the only country in the world with "funding needs are much bigger than estimated just two months ago".  We have our own dirty little secret with trillions in "off the books" funding needs.  Nearly every country is lying in order to coverup just how bad things are in order to keep money coming in.  And the Bitch bankers... they're doing the same.  Let the house of cards fall.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:24 | 1716147 Id fight Gandhi
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They really need a rumor ETF, leveraged too.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:55 | 1716627 knukles
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Complete with a 2X, 3X, 5X, inverse 3X and inverse 5X, futuers and option all the preceeding not to mention futures on the options, all to be traded on the CRIMEX along with  Vix, double Vix, inverse double VIX, options and futures and futures on options and options on the futures on the options of anyfuckingthing that Goldman's little heart desires.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:24 | 1716149 Stack Trace
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Fitch downgraded gold yesterday because it is overvauled. LMAO.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:24 | 1716347 NotApplicable
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Only in comparison to silver.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:25 | 1716150 upWising
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Now that the PIIGS fiasco is spilling over to the French Banks and the faded world power with whom we have a "special relationship" (the UK), we now have .... drum roll:



(Don't tell Tyler).

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:58 | 1716632 knukles
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Yomomma kinda fucked that special relationship shit.  What with the Queen getting an iPod loaded with c-Rap music and His Majesty and Ms.Misery not getting invited to Friday is Prince of Wale's SOn's Spaghetti and Wedding Day.

What a clusterfuck of the unknowing leading the clueless.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:45 | 1716419 carbonmutant
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The Greeks are looting the EU...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:00 | 1716465 BurningFuld
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No shit. Greek GDP = 350B  Money borrowed last year = 100B Money needed this year = 160+B  This is all you need to know. ROFLMAO

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:58 | 1717130 mjk0259
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Only way Greeks will stop looting is maybe if the EU starts negotiating with Turkey to sell it to them and let the Greeks be slaves of the Turks again.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 05:41 | 1717703 zuuuueri
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If only you knew what you were talking about! this is exactly the kind of attitude these banksters and politicians want you to have: "yeah, stick it to those deadbeat greeks!" , etc.

News flash, it's the politicians and bankers who took that money. They used a few crumbs of it to buy or rent some useful idiots, sure, but useful idiots are found in every country and can be bought for crumbs any day of the week. The slaughter and cannibalism they are rolling out in greece is just a test run in an insignificant country whose corrupt and worthless government can be counted on to not interfere. But once they do the test run in a place like greece, they will bring the much improved design to your country and use it on you.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:29 | 1715909 HedgeFun
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Oopa!  More plates!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:29 | 1715910 hambone
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WHHHHATTTT???  Greece isn't solved?  But, but, but I bet it all!!!  That nice Mr. Liesman told me they had it solved...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:31 | 1715917 Duuude
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I said, "Mr Jones, Mr Serling is on Hotline!"


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:45 | 1715984 Kitler
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Nonsense. Of course Greece is solved. What you now have the pleasure of witnessing is the final sales presentation. They have only yet to make the sale, the terms I assure you are already cast in iron.

360B Euros is pocket change to Ben. $16.1T to backstop the global finacial system in 2008 and he's going to let his life's work all come to nothing over some bad bets made by some ouzo soaked bankers?

This is a wonderfully arranged psy-ops fear play to get those infuriatingly stubborn Germans on board.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:12 | 1716113 Slash
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I agree with you. They won't do anything that would cause them to loser power. If it comes to it, they will just print it all up and claim the problem is solved.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:13 | 1716115 W T Effington
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360 Billion Euros is just this year. Only for Greece. Assuming these numbers are right. Where the politicians have evry incentive to low ball the figures. Not including Italy, Portugal, Ireland, and Spain. And don't forget France and Germany have their own debts already.  Germans will see the end game. If you subsidize a behavior, you get more of it. They will not give in. I bet Ben Bernanke appreciates his job more than possibly ruining a future reputation by not continuing his idiocy. He wont budge either.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:01 | 1716075 Nascent_Variable
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There's always a revision.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:44 | 1716175 The Deleuzian
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No! Robo is a needed antagonistic reminder...If you wanted to get rid of em' don't respond... Some people just crave negative reactions...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:30 | 1715911 RobotTrader
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As usual, resource and PM stocks are the hardest hit on this selloff.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:34 | 1715934 Vergeltung
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why do you bother?


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:38 | 1715958 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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Seriously...RearviewTrader, you have nothing to offer...I just don't get it.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:46 | 1716005 SheepDog-One
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RearviewTrader, lol

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:50 | 1716026 kito
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robo has been here over 2 years. nothing works to rid him of this site. hes got more resistance than a malaria carrying mosquito.  time to reintroduce DDT......

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:54 | 1716041 mayhem_korner
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No! No!  Save the momo-skeeter! 

As purposefully antagonistic as momofader's posts are, I find them pretty-well informed and worth reading.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:58 | 1716058 Sock Puppet
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Why would he leave?  He is one of the most popular posters here. Everytime he posts some shit he gets 40 comments telling him to bugger off.  Keep feeding the trolls, what a waste of effing space and time and thought and reading.......

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:13 | 1716114 Ethics Gradient
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Robot isn't a troll, it's an HFT persona.

His value, apart from being amusing, is to stop this place turning into an almighty circle jerk. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:20 | 1716137 fishface
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he's still here because Tyler likes his picture :)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:38 | 1716187 ReallySparky
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He is still here because he is from the days before Tyler went dot com.  He followed all of us from the bloger days.  He used to post as a contributor in the early days.  Robo, put up the picture of the thunderous herd of wilda beasts for old times sake, please pretty please.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:46 | 1716220 knukles
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Sharp as a bowling ball that boy's got all the insights of a wet sack of chickens.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:27 | 1716876 StychoKiller
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Alright, just WHERE do you come up with these metaphors?  "A wet sack of chickens!"  ROTFLMAO!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:39 | 1715962 DoChenRollingBearing
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Maybe he's programmed?

Actually I do not mind seeing Robot's comments.  We need diversity of opinion, and he DOES come out with a TRADING viewpoint, even if trading NEVER worked for me.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:45 | 1715998 Piranhanoia
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It isn't real. I keep telling you folks. It's Grovers Mill all over again. This is just an advertisement. It will go away if no one reads it. Then it will be in some other site none of us frequent.  Thank you for listening.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:59 | 1716063 mayhem_korner
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Any possibility that Momo is a TD incognito, el Skippito?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:38 | 1715957 all_in_now
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Robotass your only contribution to this site were girls' pics. Yous should stick with that.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:39 | 1715964 Stoploss
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Fuckin crack head.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:44 | 1715992 Cdad
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Tool.  The collapse is in...ta da...the banks.   Also the momentum complex.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:00 | 1716074 HelluvaEngineer
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"We're well off the highs of the day"

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:09 | 1716099 agent default
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PMs will be whacked but still there.  Bonds just get downgraded one day and turn almost totally illiquid or paid back with printed money.  As for cash enough said.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:31 | 1715914 Edward Fiatski
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I concur with the, "HA HA HA!" Make these sons of bitches default, enough of this circus.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:34 | 1715940 MarkTwain00
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The fleecing of the public will continue, I assure you

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:41 | 1715975 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes indeed the fleecing will continue.  So what are we going to do about it?  Yes, we can vote and donate money to Ron Paul.  But, everyone ought to protrect themselves from fleecing by buying gold.  Buying gold is the BEST signal to send TPTB.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:03 | 1716081 MarkTwain00
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exactly, don't fret the dips, they are meant to shake loose the weak hands....long term PMs are king but short term, short the euro and financials.  

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:31 | 1715915 LongSoupLine
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"All down bubble!"

"Aye, Aye Sir!"

"Dive, Dive, Dive!"

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:32 | 1715916 clones2
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As I said yesterday... 10 and 20 dma's would be resistance... SPY, INDU nuts on the 20 dma right now and NAZ between the two.

Markets are trading on algos and technicals... the news is noise.

Red market tomorrow, green dollar and bonds...  I don't give a crap what the headline is...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:24 | 1717203 chump666
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market will sink on open, as for the European markets...major sell.  If the EU can't get the German votes for the 2Trillion backed German bailout of crapo countries like Greece, watch for rumors during market opens that will show it's be scuttled.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:35 | 1715919 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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Holy shit I love the writing on this damn funny at times!!!

Oh and by the way, fuck the banks...let em burn!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:31 | 1715921 PicassoInActions
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dAMN missed the swing in euro... let's hope they will pump it tonight to 1.37, would be a good entry to short

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:32 | 1715923 jblack010
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Of course it's solved...this is all rumor mongering...(where are those sell tickets?)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:32 | 1715924 hammondo
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Please help me clean up the vino from my monitor!!!!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:45 | 1715999 SheepDog-One
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Here, you can use some of my Everclear to clean up that wine, Ive got a BIG bottle!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:32 | 1715925 Ricky Bobby
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I was not aware that Europe had a private sector.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:42 | 1716207 SokPOTUS
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Just the Futbol teams.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:38 | 1716402 NotApplicable
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That would be the Oligarch Sector.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:33 | 1715926 vast-dom
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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:41 | 1715973 InconvenientCou...
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Like the Libertarian said to the terminally ill 30 year old -- you made me let you die!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:53 | 1716038 agent default
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AND GREEK POLITICIANS.  Total clusterfuck.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:33 | 1715927 Cdad
Cdad's picture will get traction.  Of course it will....because now criminal syndicate Wall Street bankers have marked stocks up to absurdity again, and now are ready to sell them into oblivion.

A market of and for criminal syndicate Wall Street bankers.

Roll on Greater American Depression....roll on.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:58 | 1716061 HelluvaEngineer
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Agreed.  Pretty much painting a huge reversal in the last 30 mins of trading.  Oh, so many hopes and dreams wiped out so quickly.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:33 | 1715930 monopoly
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90 minute trades work well. Otherwise just a bunch of crap. 0

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:45 | 1716201 Nobody For President
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Coward - I was in for 5 whole hours today on a sort-of, kind-of straddle with some TNA for the day to offset a bit of the pain holding the TZA. Worked, too - wished I had checked in with ZH about 10 minutes earlier to find out WTF was going on with the last hour swoon - but sold the sob anyhow.

And ease off good old Robot Trader - the statement he made was actually factual - PMs have been getting beat to hell, until today, on the recent downswing. Nobody can be wrong all the time, except maybe Lies Man.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:34 | 1715933 Mutatto
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I don't see the problem....CDO^3!  "There, I fixed it"


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:35 | 1715942 youngman
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But But But did Liesman leak it?????  Steve what is that tingle down your leg?  its warm and wet...are you leaking????  No this is just the last half hour tank or rally..I forgot which one....Expiriry day today right...?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:36 | 1715945 the not so migh...
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(chanting)  DEATH>>>DEATH>>>DEATH>>>DEATH

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:07 | 1715950 shazbotz
Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:40 | 1716194 The Deleuzian
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Reading Greek is like some sort of MoonMan physics or chemistry...Always looking for the = sign but it's never to be found

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:37 | 1715951 Arkaenun
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Tell me what the next rumor is already. Dying to know.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:37 | 1715952 john39
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rumors of attacks against greek politicians by protestors... no link yet.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:37 | 1715954 Chinese_Trader
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Steve Lies man!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:40 | 1715972 SheepDog-One
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I would just love to see Steve Lies-man out in the street sometime and take a running punch square in the nose on him!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:12 | 1716111 JuicedGamma
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It appears to have already been done, just look at the snoze on that fucker!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:21 | 1716141 Chinese_Trader
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Mister Liesman will be responsible for what he said. Ditto Justice Department.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:32 | 1716165 Arkaenun
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Happy Gilmore golf swing style...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:37 | 1715955 Chinese_Trader
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Steve Lies man!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:39 | 1715960 A Man without Q...
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The fact of the matter is the Greek government has still not come totally clean about all the debts hidden in various dark corners, nor the extent to which many sectors of the private economy are utterly reliant upon massively lucrative state contracts.  The introduction of the Euro left many Greek manufacturers unable to compete, and the state stepped in to pay what was needed.  

Since they refuse to close the tax loopholes in shipping and real estate, there is no way to plug the gap without causing a total collapse in the economy, and taxing small pensions isn't going to cut it.  

How long will it take for the Troika to realize when they ask the question, "now, have you told us everything we need to know?", the answer "yes", is a lie?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:56 | 1716261 Nobody For President
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I agree with what you are saying, and plussed up on it - but I have a question for you:

Do you really believe the Troika *wants* to know the truth? 

I'm thinking they only want the bueracratic usual: Cover Our Asses so we can do this thing and bail out our precious Euro Banks. They kind of NEED for this to work, at least for a little while longer until the miracle happens and the EFSF sprouts wings and the Greek FinMin looses 200 pounds, thereby convincing his fellow Greeks he is really serious about 'austerity'.  

And a bit separate, but related: 

Lies Man? Who the hell is writing this soap opera? You couldn't make this shit UP - a guy name Liesman announces the rumor de jour and the market takes off like a fucking rocket? WTF, WTF, WTF? I need an additional drink...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:39 | 1715965 SheepDog-One
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New Carrot and Stick needed, STAT!!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:40 | 1715968 PicassoInActions
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Split Emerges in Euro Zone Over Terms of Greece's Second Bailout: FT (Story Developing, Click for Market Reaction)


CNBC picked up with 10 min delay



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:42 | 1715983 SheepDog-One
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How many times does Germany have to say 'NO, we are not backstopping Greece debt and all the other PIIG debt as well, NO!" before these financial media clowns get it thru their thick skulls?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:46 | 1716004 PicassoInActions
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What i think with all this rumors and "no" Yes" and so on... they just buying the time for the banks to unload their crap. As soon as they reach reasonable exposure they will let Greece to have free turism.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:56 | 1716049 hambone
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SD1 - Shhhhh!!!  we're trying to put the markets to bed after another nice bed time story.  shhhhh!!!

I do believe in fairies, I do believe in fairies...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:40 | 1715969 stant
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goldman scahs rules the world

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:41 | 1715976 anynonmous
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While hardliners in Germany and the Netherlands are leading the


Ah yes the hardliners in Germany who cave at every opportunity

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:41 | 1715977 Corn1945
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This is such a joke.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:43 | 1715990 SheepDog-One
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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:32 | 1716162 Smiddywesson
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No, not a joke.  It's a theme park ride, just like a roller coaster. 

Put your arms up and scream.   WWWWEEEEEEEEE!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:42 | 1715978 Roy Bush
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what's 63 billion euros these days!  (except a couple of computer strokes?!)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:43 | 1715987 SheepDog-One
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Their problem is, no ones fallin for the BS anymore.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:55 | 1716045 Edward Fiatski
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63 billion can be quite a number, if your num lock key is broken.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:44 | 1715993 Do You Speak Greek
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Oh Banksterrrr, I have a question for you...  

Do you speak Greek?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:56 | 1716050 agent default
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No but he better learn to like it that way.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:44 | 1715994 youngman
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Why they are even talking to the Greek Thiefs amazes me....I have to hand it to them...the Greeks got a lot of cash out of this " going out fo business sale"...they might get a few more billion too.....who needs a bank when you can rob the world...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:52 | 1716033 SheepDog-One
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Its like Crazy Eddies here who has been having a 'Blowout Going Out of Business' sale for the last 30 years.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:47 | 1715996 buzzsaw99
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In the anals, er, annals of market history these will be known as "The Greek Years".

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:03 | 1716078 piceridu
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"Like fire across the galaxy, the Greek Wars spread. In league with the wicked Count Dooku more and more planets slip. Upon the Jedi Knights falls the duty to lead the newly formed Army of the Republic."


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:11 | 1716108 Alpha Monkey
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Too bad the only knights we have are of the sith variety. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:27 | 1716153 DosZap
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Well, I think they are finally UP A GREEK.

They have made Madoff look like a rookie!.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:46 | 1716000 falak pema
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corruption galore, we are in the movies and its Don Corleone time in Athens.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:46 | 1716001 clones2
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It's just money.... We'll print more next month...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:47 | 1716003 Sock Puppet
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Looks like the insiders got the memo an hour ago,.


Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 02:30 PM

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 EUR/USD may have just put in a short-term top...The push tested key resistance (trendline from the 1.3935/40 recent highs)  in the 1.3655/65 area and so far it looks to be holding.  Comments from Merkel and Papandreou look to have been the catalyst and so most of the good news may now be out there:  Greece more likely to get next aid installment; German approval of EFSF legislation more assured.  Medium term (4-hr) MACD is coming up to the zero line, while daily MACD may be nearing a bullish crossover.  Strength above 1.3670/75 may see a larger break to the upside.  


Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 03:28 PM

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 FT story running saying Greek bailout package on verge of collapse; that's why risk is coming off



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:01 | 1716076 Sock Puppet
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Now everyone has their EUR shorts in place, time to throw out a rumor that this was all BS and a financing deal is in place, so traders can be pick pocketed on the way back up.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:47 | 1716007 agent default
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In the end they will capitulate and print.  And don't believe that Europe will not print.  They just want to save their printingpower for the time the shit hits the core of the Eurozone.  In the end either they will print too.  There is no other way out of these debts.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:53 | 1716037 SheepDog-One
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The problem is now 'printing' is a sell the news event.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 15:47 | 1716009 youngman
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There has to be a lot of CYA going on in Greece right now pay my vacation pay upfront for the next 10 years...

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