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Having trouble keeping track of how many countries have now officially rebelled against Pax Americana in the past week? Here is your handy one-stop resource to keep you abreast of all the latest in the embassy storming fad.
Since the map above is as of September 13, don't forget to add Afghanistan and now Pakistan. And further details courtesy of AP:
PAKISTAN
Hundreds of protesters demonstrating against the film torched a press club and a government building in the northwestern town of Wari, setting of clashes with police that killed one demonstrator and wounded several others.
Hundreds also clashed with police for a second day in the southern city of Karachi as they tried to reach the U.S. Consulate there. Police lobbed tear gas and fired in the air to disperse the protesters who were from the student wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami party. Police arrested 40 students, but no injuries were reported.
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AFGHANISTAN
Demonstrations turned violent outside a U.S. military base in Kabul, where about 800 protesters burned cars and threw rocks at Camp Phoenix. Many in the crowd shouted "Death to America!" and "Death to those people who have made a film and insulted our Prophet."
Police fired into the air to hold back about crowd and to prevent it from pushing toward government buildings downtown. More than 20 police officers were slightly injured, most of them hit by rocks. Protests also broke out along the main thoroughfare into Kabul, where demonstrators burned shipping containers and tires. The crowd torched at least one police vehicle before finally dispersing.
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INDONESIA
Hundreds clashed with police outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, hurling rocks and firebombs and setting tires alight. It was the first violence seen in the world's most populous Muslim country since international outrage over the film exploded last week. Eleven policemen were rushed to the hospital after being pelted with rocks and attacked with bamboo sticks, while four protesters were arrested and one was hospitalized.
Demonstrators burned a picture of President Barack Obama and tried to ignite a fire truck parked outside the embassy after ripping a water hose off the vehicle and torching it, sending black smoke billowing into the sky. Police used water cannons and tear gas to try to disperse the crowd as the protesters shouted "Allahu Akbar," or God is great, and burned a U.S. flag. Demonstrations were also held in the cities of Medan and Bandung.
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IRAN
Iran's top leader urged the West to show it respects Muslims by blocking the film. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Western leaders must prove they are not "accomplices" in a "big crime." Khamenei was quoted on state TV as noting that some nations place restrictions on expression, such as banning Nazi-related sites.
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EGYPT
An al-Qaida-linked Egyptian jihadist, Ahmed Ashoush, issued a religious edict, or fatwa, saying it is justified to kill anyone who took part in the making of the prophet film.
Ashoush, who was believed close to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida's current No. 1, Ayman al-Zawahri, heads the relatively obscure "Jihad Group." His edict, posted on a militant website, says the blood of the participants in the movie "should be shed, including the producer, the director and the actors" and that "their killing is a duty of every capable Muslim."
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WEST BANK
Several hundred Palestinians held a peaceful protest in the city of Ramallah against the film. Men stood on one side, chanting, "We will sacrifice for you, oh Muhammad." Women wearing headscarves stood on the other side, holding up large posters in Arabic, including one that read: "The Prophet is more important than my family."
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UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
The country's telecommunication regulator said it has blocked access to the video and urged users to report any existing links to the country's Internet providers. Internet users in the Emirates searching by name for the film on YouTube, for example, now get a standard page used for other censored sites in the country saying "this website is not accessible in the UAE." There are loopholes, though, since YouTube itself is not blocked and it is still possible to view the film by clicking recently posted links found within the site.
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Just to clarify the above and note:
These are ALL Pro-Barack Obama right...
You'd be hard pushed to find anyone outside of the USA who is Pro-Romney except perhaps in Israel.
Comming soon:
New York, NY
Washington, DC
Los Angeles, CA
Chicago, IL
I hope they come to my town. I'd love to use these Muslim bastards as target pracitice.
If you are going to riot in my neighborhood, you will be shot. I talked to my neighbors this weekend, and they're about as fed up with these idiots as I am.
you fear muslims taking over your world... meanwhile central banker scum has already stolen everything you think you own. you are looking in the wrong direction. mission accomplished.
Unbelievable sentiment above. Instead, now is the time to hold neighbourhood meeet-ups. Now Rabbi and Bishop and Maulana should be getting together, showing some brother and sister hood in the neighbourhood.
Now local radio and tv stations should be broad-casting messages of peace and killing the meme.
Instead, neighbours are looseinging their trigger-fingers.
tch...
ori
Illusions...
war-of-the-worlds
@N. B. Forrest: Wow. How do you become so misinformed? Do you just do whatever fox or cnn tells you to do?
I don 't have a TV, so you pegged me wrong. I just read 0Hedge and other like minded sites.
I seriously doubt that the Muslims will come to my neighborhood. Very unwelcoming to those types.
Really? Because Zerohedge never flogs anti-muslim sentiment. Thats one of the reasons I like it-- it tends to understand the real problems come from a the Fed, corporate corruption, and government corruption.
0Hedge reports the facts that's why I like them.
Students of history can then put them together. Most of the Muslimphiles here on these pages put together the pieces differently than I do. That is their prerogative. I may be wrong in my conclusions.
But I still say, if rioters come to my neighborhood and want to burn down my house and rape me and my family. There will be a whole lot of dead rioters before they succeed.
Hasbara, you are. NB Forrest wouldn't talk as you do.
Hes a lieing piece of shit anyway.
You can add Sydney, Australia to the map under the category "Violent protest".
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-gas-sydney-protesters-20120915-25yrb.html
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/police-use-pepper-spray-on-anti-islamic-film-protesters-in-sydney-at-the-us-consulate/story-e6freuy9-1226474744811
Of course this is nothing new:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses
Back then, just as now, there were apologists aplenty.
Words are cheap - he did certainly attempt to kill the barbarous hoarde invading the homeland.
Forrest was no pacifist, he would have understand exactly what this man just said.
He was a man of honor for his time.
Little known fact (probably scrubbed the intertubes by now)...as a slave owner (he was in fact, as was Grant and his wife, but whatever)...a slave owner...
http://www.yandtblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Grant-Jones-001.jpg
...point being...Forrest found one his slaves beating his wife (meaning the slaves wife) and killed him...dead, right there...no remorse, just a sense of right & wrong.
And done.
Do you think those who hate us hate us or hate something else? Like something we do? If it's us, what about us? Our religion? the color of our skin? our frisky women? SUVs? Are they jealous? just like to kill? bored? stupid? What is it?
If you don't know the answer to that question, you really need to read the Quo'ran. You might find it rather enlightening. Also, read a few history books on the Middle East. There is no such thing as unbiased history books, so read the ones written by the Jews, the Christians, and the Muslims. You might be able to stumble upon some reasons there.
Report back to me when your assignment is completed.
Why dont you tell us some excerpts?
Since you asked...
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Qur’an 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Qur’an 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Qur’an 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Qur’an 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Qur’an22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Qur’an 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Qur’an 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Qur’an 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Qur’an8:60
I know some pseudo-intellect will come along and say that these are only to be taken metaphorically,or they are taken out of context. People will says that most Muslims don’t believe these verses. When I look at their actions I see a different story. I see Muslims who actually believe these are the literal words of Allah and must be taken with absolute seriousness.
These bastards don't care if some of their moderate brethren tell them that they are taking these verses out of context. These bastards don't care if they are suppose to be taken metaphorically. These are the words of Allah in their mind and are to be obeyed.
I'm so relieved to know that no judeo-christians have taken holy verse out of text for land grabs, invasions and resource lifts
I don't think you can find a religion that has not been used for that hat trick
Ah, but you try to change the subject. The questions is not, do Christians take their scriptures out of context?, obviously they do. I'm not here to defend nutty
Christians. I'm here to say I don't like nutty Muslims.
so you're saying you only eat Almond Joy from the Christian candy sales? or do you shoot both door to door?
Not really a subject change, your first post (together with your rest) argue that angry muslims are such a dangerous exception, we have no choice but to make them target practice (and take pleasure in it) Do you suggest this for all religions? And did Christ encourage target practice? or only bootkick bankers?
Davey you really are pretty pathetic.. Nut-job Christians as not out rioting and killing people. Yes the Christians did bad shit in the past, it was called the "Crusades" and they moved on, grew up. There are plenty of "Christians" I think Jesus would be appaled to see, but that doesn't mean they are out killing people because someone "insulted Jesus". If someone's religion is so pathetic that no one in the world can speak badly of it, it's an EPIC FAILURE from day one! Insult a Buddist and see what happens.. NOTHING. If you don't like Budda, so what? They Buddist still lives his/her life. Insult the Pope and what happens, NOTHING! (It happens all the time).
The devoted muslims are busily living up to the verse that he cites and you ignore. They take that sh!t seriously and are making good on the promise. They want a world wide "caliphate" under which all humans would be ruled.
This is not about a neighborhood filled with people of different cultures living in peace. This is about extreme and devote followers of a religion that in it's own text calls for the MURDER of non-believers. If ANYONE came into my neighborhood, rioting, and then onto my property with the intent to at a minimum destroy my property, I will defend my property, our lives, and be completely within the law to do so. I will not go to jail or regret my actions (I will regret that I was pushed to those extremes).
I don't fear or hate because of skin color or belief system. I do take ACTIONS very seriously though!
If ANYONE came into my neighborhood, rioting, and then onto my property with the intent to at a minimum destroy my property, I will defend my property, our lives, and be completely within the law to do so. I will not go to jail or regret my actions (I will regret that I was pushed to those extremes).
Very good.
Now whos' bases are in the US and who has bases are in the Middle East and who controls their property i.e. oil and other resurces?
So then in all fairness you should also support the right of Muslims to demand that the US stop bombing their neighborhoods, killing their kids and stealing their resources. You'll notice that we are the ones who are occupying them, not the other way around.
If I was "king" (like Barry), I would pull back 100% of our troups on other country soil.. 100%
I would also send exactly $-0- to other countries for at least 2 years so we could get our house of cards more in order. Between bringing our troups home and keep the money local would give us a chance to deal with our very real domestic MESS we are in.
Let the "UN" go save the world !
Let the sort their own messes out. Just because I was born in the US doesn't mean I need to be the world's cop. It sucks for the poor kid in Africa that is born poor and will die poor. However, I can send money to NON-governmental aid agencies to go help with infrastructure projects (water, sanitation, food, etc), and hope to make a difference.
we've only done bad things "in the past"
True, every moment does pass
That's all well and good. But don't make the mistake that we've been propping up dictators and bombing foreigners in order to "save" them. Us intervention in the ME has always been about control of resources and military positioning. Helping the little guy, either foreign or domestic, has never been the goal of government.
Straw man argument Mr. Crockett. I don't know that there are many on this site that is arguing for propping up dictators and bombing foreigners. Most of the arguments on this site are about who are indeed the evil bastards. Most around here think it is the Israelis and Americans who are the bad guys. I, along with a few other brilliant folks, think it is the Muslims who are the bad guys.
I, and most of the sane people on this web site, think we should completely get the hell out of the MENA. And take our aid with us. Let the Sunnis and the Shias and the Jews (and whatever other oddball minorities) fight it all out with each other.
remember history, the last thing empires ever do is get out of other people's "business"
There you go again. The money used to subjugate the ME politically, economic and militarily is not aid.
No, of course it's not.
But it's called "aid." At that point, we're getting into semantics.
It's bribe money, basically, often used to buy arms back from us in some kind of satanic circle jerk.
It's not semantics. Many Americans have come to the conclusion that we should disengage with the ME because we've spent so much money trying to help them but they remain ungrateful to us. The instinct to disengage is marvelous but this illusion Americans have that bombing people is an act of charity should be rooted out and condemned.
Whatever you call it the U.S. is going to need it to pay for more SNAP.
Actually; most of the arguments around here are between People who can think for them selves and idiot lemmings who obey the teachings of the god TV.
Don't ever let the facts get in your way N.B. Forrest; To Moronica! And beyond!
I hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong, but first, did "Christians" fight the crusades, or did knights' groups, who took occultist oaths? Careful there.
Second, did the inter-faith violence begin with the crusades or with the violent onslaught of the Muzzies, spurred on by Mohamed, at the beginning of the Islamic faith? Were not people in the region forced to either convert to Islam or die? Doesn't the spread of Islam through violence and force pre-date the crusades?
Things may not always be as simple as they seem?
Even before Izrahole was shoved into the middle of this mess, though, were there not Christians, Jews, and Muslims living relatively peacefully beside each other in Palestine and other areas?
Is that Christian enough for you?
And then there was the time when the Christian crusaders sacked Christian Constantinople just because it was there and had lots of swag. No Muslims involved in that one at all.
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Even before Izrahole was shoved into the middle of this mess, though, were there not Christians, Jews, and Muslims living relatively peacefully beside each other in Palestine and other areas?
No they we not. If you search the web you can find scans of newspapers from the 1800s with articles of muslims attacking Jews in the Ottoman empire, and then later in the British Mandate. Muslims hating jews isn't something new, dates back to around 619 AD or so.
The most deadly terrorist attack in the history of Palestine and Israel was the bombing of the King David Hotel by Zionists in 1946. Somehow you forgot that. Once you get caught up we can discuss other various bomb and mortar attacks carried out by the Zionists against British and Palestinian targets.
I didn't forget. I just didn't care to post about it since I knew you were here to do that.
Since you asked...
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123
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Yes I did ask and thanks for posting your slander.
All those TRANSLATIONS are wrong! Why dont you post the real translations?
Ok.. allow me...
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191
Real translation: 191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. (them = oppressors)
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“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123
Real translation: 123. O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
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“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Qur’an 9:5
Real translation: 5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
For context, Verse before says: 4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
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“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Qur’an 3:85
Real translation: 85. If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
Definition of “Islam” from previous verse: 84. Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."
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“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”... Qur’an 9:30
Real translation: 30. The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
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“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Qur’an 5:33
Real translation: 33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
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“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Qur’an22:19
Real translation: 19. These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water.
(On the day of Judgement, not here and now)
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“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Qur’an 8:65
Real translation: 65. O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
(Instructions before first battle of Badr)
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“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Qur’an 3:28
Real translation: 28. Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
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“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Qur’an 8:12
Real translation: 12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: Give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
(this is what God will do, not for muslims to pursue)
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“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Qur’an8:60
Real translation: 60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
61. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
(basically, be friend not enemies)
Source: http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/translations/yusufali/001.htm
With all these instructions about killing and maiming and crucifying and and vanquishing and terror; Allah sounds merciful indeed.
So it went for 7th century warlords.
With all these instructions about killing and maiming and crucifying and and vanquishing and terror; Allah sounds merciful indeed.
Actually, if you read the prior verses, you would realise that it was not being proposed as the "punishments" Muslims should enforce, BUT account of what was the Law during the times of Moses, as per Old Testament :)
32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Oh, Sorry. "MOST Merciful".
The law was kinda harsh on Jesus too. But he still advocated forgiveness and love ESPECIALLY to transgressors. Not Beheading/dismemberment etc.
True... until he met the money changers.
BTW.. I am not trying to convince you or anyone. My point was just that if someone is going to quote a reference, atleast quote it truthfully, rather than falsyfing it like it that guy NB Forrest did.
You agree with it or not or dislike it is ofcourse your choice and you are entitled to it. No argument there.
I agree with that. You need accurate quotes and info to make intelligent conversation and decisions. I dont claim to know or quote the Quran. I do try to be informed.
My point was that if those are indeed accurate quotes, it is still quite a contrast from the teachings of Jesus. And I personally dont believe that our creator wants me to kill my brethren if they dont worship him like I think they should. I believe he would want me to lead them to water, then he will judge on whether they drank or not. I am supposed to forgive them and love them just as he forgives and loves me.
Im not sayin Im perfect at it, thats just what he says Im supposed to do.
And Im pretty sure Im not gonna have to spend eternety with 72 virgins. (imagine how much closet space they would need for their shoes)
Yes they are quite a contrast to the teachings of Jesus,
Jesus was about forgiveness and Islam is about self defense and enforcing Justice and Freedom, not kill anyone because of religious differences though.
72 virgin story is also fabrication. No such thing in Quran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luE4CBMIsiQ
Is it true that moahmmed cut off 800 heads in a single day? I don't recall Jesus having killed anybody so on body count alone mohammed wins hands down. (Unless its not true about him killing people.)
What is the penalty for apostacy in islam? If they got that head chopping thing wrong maybe Saudi Arabia and others have it wrong about that too.
I am not sure, could be.. could not be as History is always written in versions, depending on who's writing it. If you are talking about Battle of Qurayza, against the Jews, than not the first time Jews would be exaggerating their victimhood.
Though, I can say this that muslims are allowed to fully engage with in the battle and not stop till the enemy is subdued, in cases when an ally goes against the peace treaty and actively sabotages or brings harm to the community.
Apostacy, is an individual's choice. There is no penalty.
Head chopping is the death penalty for manslaughter. Only enforced if the victims next of kin insist so, they also have a choice to accept the "blood money" and the offender walks free, or just forgive him. Depends on circumstance, if its a serial killer, psychopath or just an accident or some feud.
BTW, Islam and "actions of muslims" can be 2 totally different things. Not justifying actions of muslims as such, like these cartoon and movie protests or the certain practices in Saudi Arabia or any ME country.
Probably a good reason why more Muslims should read the NT.
An ocean between the various translations.
An example once more that there is no discontinuity between an 'American' elite and its base.
See how 'american' elite distorted the words by the Iranian guy.
See how the 'american' guy from the base distorted translations of Q'ran.
Same behaviour.
'Americans' favour uniformity. They sport the same behaviour at various degrees, according to their charge.
Go to the source of the various translations, not difficult to know the authors, and who funded and comissioned them and wont be that difficult to figure out.
Good thing is, they havent or cannot mess with the original Arabic and anyone with knowledge of Arabic can verify which translation is closest and which one going overboard with inserting their own text in the name of translation.
"'Americans' favour uniformity" Really!?!
That has to be the most ridiculous thing you have posted yet. And that is saying something.
Uh, not seeing that your "translation" is a lot better than the "slanderous" one. (rolling eyes)
Perhaps the psychos that are rioting over a "insult to the prophet" are reading the first translation and not your long (but not a lot more "peaceful") version.
I really don't care what the details of the text are for the most part. What I care about are the ACTIONS of enough followers of this "religion". They are RIOTING and MURDERING because someone said something they don't like.. WTF?!
The real reality is that many of these people are brainwashed from a very early age to HATE people they will never meet. They are also brainwashed to believe that killing their enemies will result in paradise in heaven.
It's bad enough that some Christians I know are brainwashed to believe the dinosaurs are fakes planted by satan to test their faith, but at least they are just a delusional group who does little harm to non-believers. The rioting muslims are KILLING people and breaking other people's sh1t !
If ANYONE came into my neighborhood, rioting, and then onto my property with the intent to at a minimum destroy my property, I will defend my property, our lives, and be completely within the law to do so. I will not go to jail or regret my actions (I will regret that I was pushed to those extremes).
You wont be forgiving and merciful then?
Okay, Lulz, I'll bite: In your reading of the Koran, what is supposed to happen to apostates? How about to Christians in Muslim countries who try to convert Muslims to the Christian faith? How about to cartoonists and film-makers who inappropriately depict or mock the prophet?
What's supposed to happen to someone who desecrates the Koran?
In your reading of the Koran, what is supposed to happen to apostates?
- 2:256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
10:99. If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
10:100. No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.
3:20. So if they dispute with thee, say: "I have submitted My whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah's sight are (all) His servants.
How about to Christians in Muslim countries who try to convert Muslims to the Christian faith?
- It is wrong and a crime.
How about to cartoonists and film-makers who inappropriately depict or mock the prophet?
- Prophet was ridiculed, stoned, had attempts at his life but he forgave all of them never sought vengence even at the height of their power, infact he even helped some of them out when they were ill or in trouble. Muslims who do such protests and riots are clearly doing against the life example of Prophet and are wrong. (You can confirm that in any book about life of Prophet.
What's supposed to happen to someone who desecrates the Koran?
- Same as above. What belongs to God, God will decide. Fighting, killing, war is ONLY and ONLY allowed in self defence, when your life, family, property or freedom to live your life as you want is actively threatened.
Prophet's grandfather, who was the guardian of Ka'aba, in Mecca, once when he found out a Yemeni King was marching with armies towards to destroy the Ka'aba, he took his cattle and fled. When people asked, he replied "I am protectng what belongs to me, and God can protect what belongs to Him."
This 10 minute video, from an Agnostic Jew woman, could clarify a lot of things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luE4CBMIsiQ
Your first sentence tells us you do. Please inform. That's what we do on this site. For what little it's worth I was a history minor with a literature major and raised twelve years in schools of a major western religion. Have read about a lot of people doing a lot of interesting things to others. Twenty one years in criminal law have only widened that theme. Do you really think "angry muslims" are an exception to the human drama?
I seriously doubt that the Muslims will come to my neighborhood.
I presume you are a Yank. The majority of muslims here are different that muslims in those other places. They are slowly modernizing.
Very unwelcoming to those types.
Sorry to hear.
Calling me a Yank is about as insulting as calling me a Muslim. Did you notice the Avatar??? One of the most prolific Yankee killers of all time.
I live on an Indian Reservation in Northern Idaho. I doubt there is a Muslim within 40 miles of here. Mostly farmers, loggers and welfare queens. Not a real fertile environment for Muslims. They don't move to America to be farmers and loggers. I'm quite fine with the fact that Muslims don't want to live on a rural Indian Reservation.
He was also an occultist KKK founder/original member and a Freemason.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Freemasonry/ku_klux_kla...
It was a different KKK, but those kind of subtleties are far to complex for most people on this board. It was the KKK set up to protect Southern Ladies from the raping WHITE Northern Carpet Baggers. When it turned into a racial thing Gen Forrest disbanded it.
He was a fairly orthodox Presbyterian, not an Occultist and not a Freemason. Those were just rumors spread about him from Northern detractors.
The modern, and I would say evil, KKK is a completely different organization with different goals and purposes. They have stolen many images and name of great people and things to try to add legitimacy. They have clasped on to the cross, the Confederate Flag, General Forrest and others that the founders of such symbols would be appalled at. Jesus probably wouldn't approve of their use of the cross, President Davis, Gen. Lee, etc. wouldn't approve of their use of the Confederate flag, and Gen Forrest wouldn't approve of their use of his name and image and the use of the organization that he once lead and then disbanded.
However, I'm fighting a losing battle with these explanation in a ADD world with people who don't give a damn about the truth and just want to feign outrage.
Actually, I appreciate the different take and will certainly consider it. For now, though, the KKK looks to me like a child-raping bunch of SRA satanists giving Christianity and The South a bad name.
I have always heard that Forrest was a Freemason.
Links are appreciated--or sources at least. I can provide plenty for my side but simply stopped at the first I found, for brevity's sake.
Please educate me further. Truth is light.
We are all mis-informed ...It is what we do with that misinformation. I find too many on this site that buy into the either or mentality rather realize it so much more complex.
For example those who hold to "it's the jews fault" will defend all muslim radicalism to no end, while those who want to blame muslims for all the violence will defend israel and the jewish people to no end calling them the "chosen" people.
And all the while the uber rich bankers love us all playing the blame game picting one race or one religion agaisnt the other.
It so much more complex......so my question to you Dalago is where do you get your mis-information? and what do you do with it?
I can't do much about central bankers, other than keeping my money out of the banks, and owning silver, gold, and lead. I could do something about someone physically in my house or neighborhood, if they were openly committing crimes of violence. Whether they are wearing a turban or a wife beater is irrelevant.
Excellent post Paz.
I don't love the Jews, I'm just a avid reader of Middle East history. The Israelis have many issues and are quite evil in many ways. However, the Muslims far out do them in just being downright evil bastards. So, being a God fearing American... and given that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I'm stuck sympathizing with the the Israelis whom I don't really like.
Hindustan?
Muslims, like well, every other human group, have things and folks they're not proud of. But, like "americans" some of them fear God and mortality too . Unlike "americans" they deal with empires: carving up their gepolitical lines (and leaders) for oil, pushing them suddenly out to set up new countries, getting hit with nuclear and human rights double standards, having first world inflation exported with a vengance, getting blamed for self sponsored attacks ...and a a host of other lovely modern misdemeanors and felonies. They sit in an unfortunate geological and geopolitical position in one of the most resource strained chapters in human history.
This has very little to do with their "culture," their head dress, or their religious holidays
Im not pro or anti Muslim or Jewish. To be honest, I dont really care what they think or do as long as they leave me alone. I think they are wrong, but thats between them and god.
However; I havent read anywhere in the bible where god wants me to kill those of his creations which dont believe properly. Or that if I die in the process of said slaying, I will be rewarded in heaven with earthly carnal pleasures (read SIN).
That sounds more like what satan would say. just sayin.
You're trying to distance yourself from them yet they say "leave me alone" even more than you do.
Im not entirely sure how this is an answer to my post, but I'll play anyway.
"You're trying to distance yourself from them yet they say "leave me alone" even more than you do. "
Maybe so, but I offer to leave them alone with their heads still attached.
I've mentioned this "either/or fallacy" (see false dilemma) to ZHers before about this very subject. TY.
Why does one have to choose
between Muzzies and Jews?
because the chess players want us to do that?
Okay, Davey, don't knock chess players. Let me know if you ever want a game. We can play online.
It's a game of concentration h/t Adam Thrasher
"For example those who hold to "it's the jews fault" will defend all muslim radicalism to no end, while those who want to blame muslims for all the violence will defend israel and the jewish people to no end calling them the "chosen" people."
I was always the exceptional one, I blame both (and all other religions) and defend none as I am yet (highly doubt I ever will) to find one worthy of such a position.
Religion is nothing more than a control mechanism for some shepherd and his flock (obey me or be cast out and damned for all eternity sums them all up best); regardless of the name and makings of the book in said shepherds duffel bag.
you are looking in the wrong direction.
Hes not looking in the wrong direction, hes trying to direct YOU in the wrong direction.
THe only "right" direction appears to be straight down the rabbit hole. Only bugs and moles to deal with.
In that case, put the blinders on...
Hilarious.
I guess the big diff is the Bankers didn't burn down the American Embassy.
How clever of them.
The bankers cut out the middle man and just burned down America.
dont b to hard on him...
that's the one thing the banker controlled country called America still does better than anyone else....
BRAINWASHING.........
Hasbara is up in every popular site. They are full-time.
That's the plan isn't it? Divide and conquer.
Hmmm, hadn't thought of that before john39... ie: that we are all part of a massive Kansas City Shuffle (a la 'Lucky Number Slevin')
Stockholm Syndrome.
Sir you are a true American! Hey all that counts is you and your neighbors decided.
I'm no Pat Swayze, but may I add to NB Forrest's comment a resounding "Wolverines!!!"
[\sarc]
@ N.B. Forrest; show your idiot friends the web site for the US State Department and it's list of embassies around the world. You'll note that Benghazi is not on the list. Because this attack is staged entirely for the benefit of you and your idiot friends.
These are the clues folks.
I'm willing to bet that a good Muslim is about as hard to find as a good Baptist. I'll bet 90%+ don't pray three times a day if at all. Its mostly for show just like the baptist not smoking or drinking or stealing or -you name it.
About the same percent of baptists hang out in front of abortion clinics as muslims hang out at US embassies. This is like the ebiquitus "killer storm" that you get every fall on every weather channel-- that is mostly bullshit.
having trouble seeing your last name?
Subtle like a stilletto Davey...
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Does it hurt to be that stupid?
Shooting idiots is a good idea in principal. Unfortunately, from time to time, we are all idiots.
To N.B. Forest
Shame you and your neighbours cannot do that to the Banksters and Politicians in your own country.
All talk?
lol cause that's something to worry about...
You forgot to include Australia!
It kicked off in Sydney over the weekend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6zIX29HkSo&feature=player_embedded
Just another peaceful Saturday in the Sydney CDB. I believe the sales where on.
Tyler... you forgot to photoshop in our MENA bases and USN carrier strike groups!
Gojam I'm, afraid you are right. I know my friends outside the US can plainly see what Obama, our Government and the people that own them are doing to America.
For many, they somehow believe that having the greatest country stumble will somehow increase the status of their own countries or somehow improve their personal lives.
It won't. Sadly that's what happens when you spend your whole life blaming others for your problems.
Well said.
Envy leads to resentment, which leads to bizarre free floating hostility. It happens in families, in relationships, and among nations.
It's so much more satisfying to be a victim than to admit to incompetence, laziness, or corruption.
free floating hostility? buddy nothin free about it.
It's so much more satisfying to be a victim than to admit to incompetence, laziness, or corruption.
Nobody is denying that. They just want the one who instills and support the incompetent, lazy and corrupt leaders to stop doing that.
Libya was a propesrous country, and evidence is you dont see any immigrants from Libya in the Western world. Even though Libya was a launchpad for the African immigrants trying to get into Europe via Italy.
You dont see many Mongolians either, they are happy with the life they are living.
Now look around.. most of the immigrants are from the countries where the West has most interference, bases and even wars.
Go figurre...
My mentors are Kipling and Twain. I often think the world would be a better place if we did "Install" leaders as the Raj did.
It's easy to break things. More difficult to rebuild.
I often think the world would be a better place if we did "Install" leaders as the Raj did.
My mentor was Mother Teresa. The whole world can convert to Islam and we call it a day...
"To the Person Sitting in Darkness" is an essay by American humorist Mark Twain published in the North American Review in February 1901. It is a satire critiquing imperialism as revealed in the Boxer Uprising and its aftermath, the Boer War, and the Philippine-American War expressing his anti-Imperialist views.
http://www.antiimperialist.com/templates/Flat/img/pdf2/PersonSittinginDa...
He was indeed talking out of his back end. Thank you for providing evidence.
Who?
kaiserhoff.
Okey doke. Thought you were down on my man Sam for a moment. Carry on.
Mark Twain was a Freemason, which is precisely why he frames Huck's decision as he does (in the form of a false dilemma).
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/twain.html
Didn't Rudyard Kipling, an apologist for the crown, write "Whte Man's Burden?"
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5478/
I was a member of the Rotary at one time.
Are you really equating luciferian Freemasonry, which should be thick in literary studies, with a Rotary club? That's a crock, Crock.
I may disagree with you on occasions, but I expect better than that. Usually you attempt logic. There's no shame in learning something from me. I take pleasure in my opportunities to learn from you.
You're way too obsessed with arcane trivialities. Twain went way out on a limb when he took the USA to task for its imperial adventurism. He was a good man and he was his own man.
twain was one of the deepest fiction writers in american literature
He likely owes much of his fame to his Freemasonic brethren. Huck is his most recognized piece, and the dilemma he creates with Huck is the focal point of the piece.
It is a point which requires some thought and analysis, though.
I'd prefer Salinger any day.
Are you referring to Huck's decision to help Jim escape despite his certainty that he will go to hell because of it? That's a brilliant and touching piece of writing.
Yes.
Yes, it's brilliant and touching. No disagreement there.
But I am taking it further, connecting it to his Freemasonry, and I can see you aren't ready to go there yet. Let me know when you are.
It's inconsequential. Like the proclivity by some to discuss Whitman's sexuality. Who really cares other than some academic (likely one with another agenda) looking for a new and possibly misleading angle on subjects overly discussed?
Of course if you'd care to post a summary of your thesis I might consider it if it seemed to have any actual significance.
Occultist members of secret societies often have their work championed by the machinations of said society, especially if it spreads a message that resonates with them. This is not to say that said writers are without talent, but it does provide background understanding and motive for their art. Biography and influential schooling are typical approaches to understanding literature. One that is often overlooked, unsurprisingly, is the influence of secret societies' teachings on the literature itself, unfortunately. Like I say, when you're ready. I've already shown you where and how it does, and like you seem poised to admit, it's a pretty important point in the novel--one might even say the actual climax.
I was ready in fourth grade right after I finished reading Chariots of the Gods. Now, not so much.
I don't want them to "like" us.
I want them to fear us.
This violence is only spreading because they know their muzlim brother in the White House will do nothing about it.
There's an unholy alliance between progressives and islamic extremists.
Yeah, that old progressive Reagan armed the mujaheddin in Afghanistan and got this whole ball rolling.
You're playing yesterdays poker game. I'll give you many direct connections, but not in this article.
So this time it's different? Today's conservatives would never fund Islamic radicals, make arms deals with Iran or invite Taliban leaders to Texas?
enjoyed your posts on this thread Cockett
no honor amongst thieves. This drama reminds me of that Twillight Zone episode with the guy who keeps re-living his life sentence trial but everytime he thinks he wakes up, the actors change roles from defendant to prosecutor, to judge...
Saw that one a couple weeks back. Dennis Weaver if I recall correctly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Play_(1961_The_Twilight_Zone_episode)
We do sell ourselves to the world as gentle ben but in reality, we're little more than gunsmoke
http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/netanyahu-in-1992-iran-close-to-having-nuclear-bomb.html
http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/top-myths-about-irans-nuclear-enrichment-program.html
Good thing we don't let them vote in the USA, then! However, Democrats are trying to change that.
But Mrs Clinton is not good in chosing friends in Arabland...
Easy fix......just keep on printing.
Just where on this map is the U.S.A.? The United States of Apology?
I blame the Romans. It's all their fault!
I mean what have the Romans ever done for us?
No, he contrary to what the Western MSM will tell you, has actually made the USA more hated in the East than Dubya managed to do.
"Demonstrators burned a picture of President Barack Obama and tried to ignite a fire truck parked outside the embassy"-Indonesia summary.
Australia ?
That was my thought too. But maybe chanting "Behead those who insult Islam" is just another way of saying G'day mates.
Just spke the damn ball.
The Arctic Ocean can't melt fast enough, can it?
Printing food!
iBeer Download Magic for iPhone, iPod touch, Android
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MfQIswl3k
and some popcorn with that beer.
iphone popcorn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLUa2KYVTfg&feature=related
Stop all aid to these countries now and when an earthquake happens just smile and say NO.
ORLY?
Wait, I thought the reason the Muslim world hates the US is because they, along with Britain, have been playing king maker in the region and killing off innocent people in the name of cheap oil, for the last.......oh, 100 years?
Dude! Get with the program.
They hate us for our (former) freedom.
yeah but we fixed that! don't they get it? /s
American freedom is a lot like Rock and Roll. Their first albums were naked, honest, and full of human passion. By the end they wrote cover songs for Charmin.
Davey has obviously not read Inside the LC yet.
Those who still believe in the myth of honest rock are like those who still believe in the myth of the founding fathers.
"history" is indeed more myth than timeline but corruption is a lot like other parasites, it grows over time