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Full Summary Of The Latest In Anti-American Sentiment
Having trouble keeping track of how many countries have now officially rebelled against Pax Americana in the past week? Here is your handy one-stop resource to keep you abreast of all the latest in the embassy storming fad.
Since the map above is as of September 13, don't forget to add Afghanistan and now Pakistan. And further details courtesy of AP:
PAKISTAN
Hundreds of protesters demonstrating against the film torched a press club and a government building in the northwestern town of Wari, setting of clashes with police that killed one demonstrator and wounded several others.
Hundreds also clashed with police for a second day in the southern city of Karachi as they tried to reach the U.S. Consulate there. Police lobbed tear gas and fired in the air to disperse the protesters who were from the student wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami party. Police arrested 40 students, but no injuries were reported.
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AFGHANISTAN
Demonstrations turned violent outside a U.S. military base in Kabul, where about 800 protesters burned cars and threw rocks at Camp Phoenix. Many in the crowd shouted "Death to America!" and "Death to those people who have made a film and insulted our Prophet."
Police fired into the air to hold back about crowd and to prevent it from pushing toward government buildings downtown. More than 20 police officers were slightly injured, most of them hit by rocks. Protests also broke out along the main thoroughfare into Kabul, where demonstrators burned shipping containers and tires. The crowd torched at least one police vehicle before finally dispersing.
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INDONESIA
Hundreds clashed with police outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, hurling rocks and firebombs and setting tires alight. It was the first violence seen in the world's most populous Muslim country since international outrage over the film exploded last week. Eleven policemen were rushed to the hospital after being pelted with rocks and attacked with bamboo sticks, while four protesters were arrested and one was hospitalized.
Demonstrators burned a picture of President Barack Obama and tried to ignite a fire truck parked outside the embassy after ripping a water hose off the vehicle and torching it, sending black smoke billowing into the sky. Police used water cannons and tear gas to try to disperse the crowd as the protesters shouted "Allahu Akbar," or God is great, and burned a U.S. flag. Demonstrations were also held in the cities of Medan and Bandung.
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IRAN
Iran's top leader urged the West to show it respects Muslims by blocking the film. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Western leaders must prove they are not "accomplices" in a "big crime." Khamenei was quoted on state TV as noting that some nations place restrictions on expression, such as banning Nazi-related sites.
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EGYPT
An al-Qaida-linked Egyptian jihadist, Ahmed Ashoush, issued a religious edict, or fatwa, saying it is justified to kill anyone who took part in the making of the prophet film.
Ashoush, who was believed close to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida's current No. 1, Ayman al-Zawahri, heads the relatively obscure "Jihad Group." His edict, posted on a militant website, says the blood of the participants in the movie "should be shed, including the producer, the director and the actors" and that "their killing is a duty of every capable Muslim."
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WEST BANK
Several hundred Palestinians held a peaceful protest in the city of Ramallah against the film. Men stood on one side, chanting, "We will sacrifice for you, oh Muhammad." Women wearing headscarves stood on the other side, holding up large posters in Arabic, including one that read: "The Prophet is more important than my family."
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UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
The country's telecommunication regulator said it has blocked access to the video and urged users to report any existing links to the country's Internet providers. Internet users in the Emirates searching by name for the film on YouTube, for example, now get a standard page used for other censored sites in the country saying "this website is not accessible in the UAE." There are loopholes, though, since YouTube itself is not blocked and it is still possible to view the film by clicking recently posted links found within the site.
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I tried twice to separate each quote by a blank line, but it won;t do it!
MP4P, in future if you copy your desired quotes and they have HTML or XTML formatting you can't get rid of that at ZH in a reply box because we have no HTML authority here and a good thing because I can only imagine the kind of shit some people would post.
But, I have had good luck with copying desired text from a website then pasting into a blank e-mail where I do have the ability to remove formatting and spellcheck as well, then recopying the text and putting it into the reply box at ZH, a couple extra steps to make sure your post is readable but if you spelled like I do you would do the same thing.
One thing I want to add though, if you do copy and paste PLEASE also copy the web address from the page you took it and post that as a link, if for no other reason than to give context and credit to the original creators. Not doing so is really the mark of a mentally bankrupt hoser and a troll of highest standing.
Thank you, dear sir, for the helpful advice, and then the BITCHSLAP at the end....at any rate, here's the link:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.php
just stick in a word on the margin below first quote...or even .... it will break it up
anyways, good stuff.
I wonder if it has occurred to the puppeteers that using the "divide and conquer" strategy only works if it's completed. In other words, no order comes when the plan succeeds wildly in the divide phase and then fails miserably in the conquer phase. Stirring the kettle is a dangerous game and the bigger the kettle the more dangerous it is.
Quoting scripture doesn't do any good when the people running amok aren't actually reading it. Historically, when a religion seems to be running amok, the average follower is actually discouraged or prevented from actually reading the "Scriptures". The average Jihadist has memorized choice verses, but does not read his Qur'an in context and understanding. Instead the followers are kept as an ignorant rabble by being told that their Priest, Rabbi, Imam or writings of an ancient sage understands so much better than they could ever understand, so they need only listen to the doctrines/dogmas and follow them mindlessly.
These power-mongering "holy" men twist the scripture to build a mob that will do their bidding. These clowns are actually striving for the same sad pernicious political gain, wealth or other influence as a run-of-the-mill politician. Some are just psycho-zealots that think they need to wipe out every person who will not follow the faith that they ascribe to.
Either way the scriptures are not diligently studied, understood and prayerfully followed. That takes time and effort, loading your gun or strapping on a bomb-belt to exact the wrath of your chosen deity is so much more gratifying to the weak human mind. Each person must take responsibility for learning and practicing their faith and be a responsible person, lest we get sucked up into the mob mentality of mere "religion".
you forgot your SARC button again.
? Some of the Muslim students I've had were in the process of memorizing the entire Koran, verse by verse, and preparing for recitals.
And they are likely decent, normal people and not the backward jihadis whom HJ mentions above.
From what I can tell, yes, in part--agreed... but--they would say apostates should be killed. They would be outraged at unfavorable depictions of Mohammad (my guess, anyway--I didn't ask). They are intense folks.
Be careful defending them without meeting and knowing a lot of them, Crock. I have had some of them tell me that apostates should be killed.
Just because zionism is wrong and fascist, guided by luciferians, does not mean that Islam poses no threat to decent society.
I'm guesssing you live in an area where there aren't many of them about. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. There are lots of decent Jewish people, too.
If that is the case then why would you willing instruct such people?
First, Crock, it's not like I have a choice. Second, I try to have respect for all human beings. Third, I enjoy helping all sorts of people progress with our language, with literature, and with logical thought.
Besides, it's not like I hate these people. The great majority of Muslims I've taught have been extremely nice to me. Of course, they've had to be that way, in a college classroom, but I have seen no indications that they would be rude in other locales.
My simple point is that this idea that because they are victimized by Zionist policies, they are somehow not a threat because of how they perceive their religious duties is perhaps misguided.
You should know by now that I'm no zionist. I'm just not supportive, either, of the idea that the Muslim world (and that is a broad stroke indeed because it contains so many subsets, factions, and individuals) is somehow no threat to world peace. That's not to say I support our current policies. Clearly I don't.
I can also agree that many Muslims are slowly (slowly) becoming "modernized" or as AnAnonymous might argue, "American citezenized." But many are not. They emigrate in large numbers to areas and practice their fgm, wear their burkas, and have no problem trying to convert us and practicing free speech of their religion and causes over here. But if we were to go there and do that, we would at least be imprisoned. The monoply guy (avatar--can't recall his name or see it as I type a response) even admitted at least that much--that Christians over there who try to convert Muslims are committing a crime and should be imprisoned. They want to practice Sharia law here and in London, etc. And if anyone speaks rudely of their beliefs or their "prophet," they get quite irate. It happens. Take a look at NYC, for example.
But I am slowly coming around to thinking of this stuff (alleged riots about this movie) as being more and more of an inside job, and especially thinking of the assassination of the ambassador as an inside job, certainly after listening to this entire interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TdMBbS02k
You do have a choice. What institution forces you to educate those who have openly spoken about killing people?
And I might add that I think that college education helps people become more tolerant and less violent, in general. I am certain that there are exceptions, no doubt. But in general, I like the idea of a college classroom in which people from different parts of the world, largely working class (again, not always) or middle class, sit together and politely discuss controversial matters. It has the potential to enlighten people about other cultures, about tolerance, etc.
It doesn't always work, sure, but it can play a big role in changing individuals and even cultures. I think it's a good thing.
And I certainly wouldn't want to deny Muslims (or anyone) that opportunity.
That still doesn't mean that I would want to live around a bunch of Muslims, especially if there were rogue cartoonists running amock, stirring them up, or film-makers stirring hornets' nests.
Not occupying foreign lands, not installing puppet regimes and not bombing people for their freedom is an even better way to promote understanding. That is all that I have advocated for and you tell me to "be careful" about defending Muslims. Meanwhile you are educating people who you claim have told you that they want to kill for religious reasons. Something is wrong with your priorities.
You are displaying a level of empathy, observation and understanding that is well beyond the capabilities of most who post here.
ANY group of faithful -- whether faithful to flag or team or god -- can be manipulated by its leaders. All it takes is some propaganda (ie. misleading information) about the other flag or team or god and a group of supporters can quickly be transformed into an enraged mob.
European football supporters, Central Asian cricket fans, African tribesmen, Christian witch-hunters, animal rights activists, anti-abortionists, and American soccer moms, are just some examples of groups that can be incited to actually commit murder. Apes naturally form gangs.
The real trouble-makers behind the scenes have no empathy for other races (it's racial, not religious) and have been at the leading edge of observing and chemically altering human behaviour since the Enlightenment (enlighten = illuminate...geddit?).
Even atheists get mad when you bomb them for their freedom.
The government just announced it will partner up with anti religious filmakers so any demonstrations of dissent are not blamed on the administration.
Move along, move along.........
Hope and Change !!!