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Ponzi continuum 101.
Maybe Europe will grant Madoff asylum as a political refugee, on basis that he was only doing God's work and shouldn't be locked up for doing what is business as usual by the goverments and accounting practices overseers.
So, since my neighbor willingly only let half his house burn down, my insurance won't pay?
This teaches traders for hedging in the completely discredited CDS market. The doomer CDS market has been incorrectly indicating BOA and Morgan Stanley defaults for some time now. So where are the defaults? I'm still waiting ...
1) mark to market
2) fireworks (pun intended)
3) (another) bailout or get lehman'd
1) mark to market
2) fireworks (pun intended)
3) (another) bailout or get lehman'd
If derivatives are so cool by them, why the need to shift their liabilities in that space into FDIC land?
Bears are gonna "clawback" your $1M bonus!
You've lost me here. If there's no chance that this is a credit event, then sovereign CDS are toilet paper and CDS market is officially dead. Why would anyone buy insurance that has proven to be completely worthless? Would seem to me the yields on PIIS bonds are going to blow out...
I have found that this answer fits with any question or frustration: Note, plug in any question or scenario...CDS, Wallstreet Bankers, OWS...it will work with any confusion or proposition regarding the Keynesian paradigm.
So the PTB get the S&P up to 1270 and save the banks without QE3 by strongarming the necessary officials. Can't they just carry this on forever? If they can do this, imagine what they could do to the price of silver? Oh, wait...
What part of 'if the big banks on The Committee got laid last night your CDS might be worth something' don't folks understand?
Just discount everything on Earth 50% and maybe it will make more sense. From a market as opposed to mafioso standpoint.
+1 for tits.
one small step for europe one giant step for zero hedge
safe, efficient markets. really? got to be a joke
There are no markets, there are only interventions.
If you believe what the Euro PTB just did will work, I've got a bridge to sell you.
If the haircuts are voluntary, I would rescind my agreement if I was a Greek pension.
" I would rescind my agreement if I was a Greek pension"
Exactly, you are one smart monkey.
Next up Japanese crisis?
shorts are getting killed today
tomorrow may not be many of us left.
That is the plan. Now that CDS have become a place for money to die, look for some massive sovereign unwinds and contract lawyers to spring into action.
Yup, so goodbye short-covering rallies and hello no-bid flash crash. I'm glad our distinguished leaders are so smurt.
They sure as hell must be running out of Charlie Brown shorts to kornhole to raise world markets. At some point here, theyll all give up shorting and THEN what?
Holy Shit...Bob Pisani just had a coming to Jesus and is spewing out common sense and truth as fast as he can.
Never thought I'd hear it.
Hope he doesn't have an aneurysm. But its funny that once his friends have their security blanket taken away from them (a Linus moment) they completely lose it.
As I wrote further down, this is the end of derivatives as we know them and the beginning of "The Great Interest Rate Reloading" where interest rates rise to compensate for default and other such risks, which risk premiums where shifted to these derivates contracts, but now MUST be reloaded onto the interest rate required as its got to be paid for by someone, and now (again) it will be the borrower directly.
Boy, this is going to be fun and aweful to watch.
A disgusting day for all professionals working in the credit and sov bond space.
Hey look mr. Risk dept, no more need for any hedges, SINCE THEY WONT FUCKING PAY OUT.
So then just sell the underlying. #NotThatHard
Typical insurance company 'that don't count' weaseling:
Your house was destroyed by an Act of God? That don't count!
Your house was ruined by a flood? That don't count!
You had a building code violation when your house burned down? That don't count!
So why the f*ck did I buy insurance?
But CDS has never been insurance. If it was it would be highly regulated and issuers would have to hold reserves against it. This was always a toxic security.
I have no sympathy for people whining "I bought Greek debt even though I knew they were bankrupt because I also bought CDS so I could make a couple extra percent..."
Bring on the junks.
Why am I thinking that the hedgies probably bought Greek debt and SOLD the CDS...
LMAO “… a 'voluntary' gun-to-my-head haircut of 50% is not a credit event.”
If it’s not a credit event it’s definitely a scalping event.
It was pretty much a dead lock that they would cobble together a solution.
What matters is not whether it is a credible plan or not.
The only thing that matters is how the market reacts to it.
You could see this coming a mile away, since we had 41 consecutive days of -1000 TICK readings, with many over -1250 and two over -1400.
Clean breakaway gap right over the 200-day on the NY Composite.
no robo, in your case, you saw that it came a mile away.
Robo saw it coming from his position of rearview mirror trading, well after the fact as usual.
At least the market stocks like exxon, boeing, intel up gmcr,nflx,open, down over the last 3 weeks....
How can you still afford electricity and internet access?
Hey Robo whilst you were getting serviced last night many of your detractors also appear to have been getting serviced (though in the latter case straight up the ass with a wire brush) I wonder how many of them are able to sit at their computer long enough to junk you.
I would like the City Shrimp, preeze.
ding nei gaw fye
Hey, you're almost whole on Netflix now, huh?
Seriously, I've been in the Securities industry for 24 years, and I've never seen anyone as clueless as you are.
Is this your 8th grade Civics assignment? Who the fuck watches the TICK anymore?
Your conclusions are- without fail- meaningless and obtuse. One can literally take your observations and apply them to any market event, and come to a conclusion that prices always will rise the next day.
Please stop citing technical trading- technical trading is, by definition, agnostic, and you're clearly a perma-bull, which renders the charts meaningless for you.
Charts don't make you sound intelligent, and don't reinforce your undying belief that all stocks must go straight up every day.
And Netflix will never see $100 again in our lifetimes- deal with it.
How about if it's an "Incredible Plan"? Does that count?
Pretty slick, if the 15 members if ISDA don't take haircuts, then its NOT a credit event. Screw Barclays.
ISDA has proven themselves to be nothing short of a bunch of modern day thieves; on a par with the scumbags who populate the CME in Chicago.
If I was a CDS trader, I'd be looking for a new market to trade. How many times do you need to be bent over the proverbial fencepost and fucked with no kisses, and be told wasn't that great?
Despite the bullshit of no credit event, everybody knows the truth. Remember, if their lips move they are lying.
"...If I was a CDS trader, I'd be looking for a new market to trade..."
You mean find another job.
I'd be getting a lawyer.
somebody please crush the International Socialist Derivatives Association with a massive class action lawsuit!!!!! please!!!!!
While I agree with your call to action, but did you see the names behind ISDA? You'd have to be God himself to stand a chance.
"The Restructuring Credit Event is triggered if one of a defined list of events occurs, withrespect to a debt obligation such as a bond or a loan, as a result of a decline increditworthiness or financial condition of the reference entity. The listed events are: reductionin the rate of interest or amount of principal payable (which wouldinclude a “haircut”);deferral of payment of interest or principal (which would include an extension of maturity of an outstanding obligation); subordination of the obligation; and change in the currency of payment to a currency that is not legal tender in a G7 country or a AAA-rated OECD country. The decline in creditworthiness or financial condition requirement is intended to filter out restructurings that occur as a result of improved financial condition."
SO what makes this a situation where a CREDIT EVENT is NOT TRIGGERED?
It's a voluntary re-fi agreement. <sarc>
Well...it's just half your debt. I imagine if it was....50.01, WELL...now THAT MISTER IS A CREDIT EVENT.
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