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Gallup Finds Obama, Romney In Dead Heat As Daily Tracking Begins, With Independents Leaning Toward GOP

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Now that the GOP primary is essentially over, and Mitt Romney is set, for better or worse, to be the Republican frontrunner, Gallup has launched its daily tracking poll to keep an eye on each one's presidential prospects. Not surprisingly, the result is a dead heat. "Mitt Romney is supported by 47% of national registered voters and Barack Obama by 45% in the inaugural Gallup Daily tracking results from April 11-15. Both Obama and Romney are supported by 90% of their respective partisans." What is curious is that "The crucial voting bloc of independents breaks toward Romney by 45% to 39%, giving the GOP challenger his slight overall edge." So will Obama now be forced to make a moderate push to attract what will likely be the critical voter constituency in November? We will find out over the next few months.

This is not surprising: as we showed previously American voter apathy is the second highest among all developed countries, better only compared to South Korea. Even so, less than 50% of the population will participate in an active election process. In other words, the majority of Americans is silent. And as is well known, of the balance of voters, the split along party lines is almost straight down the middle. Just as the onetwo-party political system likes it.

This is how Gallup defines its methodology.

These results are the first from Gallup Daily tracking of registered voters' general election preferences, which began on April 11 and will be reported daily on on the basis of continuous five-day rolling averages. This initial report is based on interviews with 2,265 registered voters, and highlights the potential closeness of this year's race, with Romney and Obama essentially in a statistical tie. Gallup's previous general election trial heat, from a national poll conducted March 25-26, showed Obama with a slight 49% to 45% lead over Romney.


Gallup began tracking the general election on Wednesday, April 11, after Rick Santorum suspended his campaign for the Republican nomination, making Romney the all-but-assured GOP nominee.


The race breaks down into the expected patterns by party, with 90% of Democrats supporting Obama, and 90% of Republicans supporting Romney. The Republican results show that despite the rancor and divisiveness of the Republican campaign, the vast majority of Republicans are backing Romney in the head-to-head battle with Obama, as they have in ballot tests earlier this year.

Gallup's conclusion:

History shows that the candidates' positioning in the spring of an election year is not necessarily good at forecasting the election outcomes. For example, in an April 20-22, 1992, Gallup poll, incumbent President George H.W. Bush was ahead with 41% of the vote, compared with 26% for Bill Clinton and 25% for Ross Perot. And in an April 11-14, 1980, poll, incumbent President Jimmy Carter led Ronald Reagan by 42% to 34%, with John Anderson receiving 18% support. Both Bush and Carter, of course, ultimately lost their re-election bids.


Still, the current results, and the results that will follow as Gallup tracks the race on a daily basis, provide an excellent, scientific way to understand the dynamics of the election campaign, and the impact of foreseen and unforeseen events in the weeks and months ahead. And, at this point, the results show that the 2012 presidential election is shaping up to be a close race.

What is odd is why nobody, ahem Ron Paul, is willing to target that 50%+ segment of the population that is utterly disgusted with either party... That we don't understand.

Finally, as a reminder...


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Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:08 | 2349318 Cognitive Dissonance
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Two sides of the same (fake fiat) coin.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:11 | 2349335 derek_vineyard
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go to any betting website (ladbrokes, etc) and obama is 1-2 favorite

as if it matters choosing between these two dweebs

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:15 | 2349359 bob_dabolina
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Yea, because people who compulsively gamble on shit like this, are ALWAYS right.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:46 | 2349479 economics9698
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According to Dick Morris undecided’s break 3 to 1 for the challenger.  That means Obama needs to be around 48% to have a good shot at winning.  Most successful incumbents are easily over 50% or at 50%.  Morris seems to think a incumbent needs to be at 50% to win.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:47 | 2349495 GOSPLAN HERO
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Not voting for Obama is rayciss.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:11 | 2349590 derek_vineyard
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what does using a betting line as a baramoter of odds of winning/losing have to do with  being compulsive and always right???????????

now i know why bob dabolina is considered an idiot here on ZH

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:37 | 2349699 LowProfile
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"Mitt Romney is supported by 47% of national registered voters and Barack Obama by 45% in the inaugural Gallup Daily tracking results from April 11-15. Both Obama and Romney are supported by 90% of their respective partisans."

I call bullshit on Gallup.

These numbers can only be accurate if you don't count the Ron Paul supporters.

Looks like Gallup has been captured by TPTB.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 18:22 | 2349956 JW n FL
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Forget to VOTE!!

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Mon, 04/16/2012 - 18:48 | 2349995 flacon
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RON PAUL is the only human running for president! RON PAUL 2012!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:50 | 2350112 The Alarmist
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In any event, Ron Paul is at least someone who we can be certain was born in the USA.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 20:04 | 2350124 UP Forester
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So, what if they held an election and nobody voted?

Tue, 04/17/2012 - 00:07 | 2350516 James-Morrison
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Sorry, this is the year to plug your nose and pull the lever for the "one and done" party. 

I love the smell of term limits in the morning.

Don't let the PTB win. 

Vote for the non-incumbent across the board. 


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:18 | 2349624 Ignatius
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Obama is our greatest President.  Taken as a whole he perfectly reflects our greedy, self interested, narcissistic, immoral, corrupt and belligerent selves.  I used to think it was the Harvard MBA GW Bush.  And before that, I thought Clinton was our finest President (even minus the BJs I would have thought this).  Of course, I thought the same of former Top Cop (CIA) Papa Bush... and let's not forget our revered and beloved Hollywood-esque  Reagan in his most serious role: President, and leader of the Free World.

Oh, and one final thing,  go Ron Paul... because we'd hate him!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:25 | 2349657 GeorgeHayduke
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Ignatius, I think you have hit the nail on the head, and with quite a well-aimed and solid blow. Good observation, good analysis and very well stated. Unfortunately, beyond the vision of those who refuse to see. But keep hammering anyway.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:23 | 2349652 Bicycle Repairman
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The Republican's will not win without the Ron Paul vote.  I want to see Mitt engage in some real earnest bowing and scraping to Cong. Paul at the convention, or I'll stay home, tend my garden, read a book and clean my gun on election day.

There's no difference between Romney and Obama.  I just want Romney to abase himself on national TV.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:40 | 2349732 LowProfile
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Screw it, stay home, or write Paul in.

If the Republicans lose, they have no one to blame but themselves, given how weak Obama is as a candidate.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 17:16 | 2349817 GeorgeHayduke
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Admittedly, Obama should be an easy knock-out for the Rethuglicas or any viable 3rd party candidate if this rigged system allowed it. The problem is, the Rethuglican candidates (Paul excluded) are even weaker, more lame, more despicable, and less desirable than Obama. Which would be nearly impossible to believe in itself if you didn't see or hear any of those losers on TeeVee or in the media.

Welcome to America, circa 2012. YeeHaw!

Tue, 04/17/2012 - 01:33 | 2350627 Madrid2020
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Even worse for Obama is that Gallup tracks registered voters as opposed to Rasmussens likely voters. The hopeless wonder be going down!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:51 | 2349517 derek_vineyard
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bob dab--- i was noting that the polls are calling it an even bet while the betting sites are taking money that indicate obama a fairly heavy bet is a better indicator, but romney still has approx 1 in 3 chance of winning

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:56 | 2349543 derek_vineyard
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i'm taking all even money bets on romney (will hedge them with bookies by betting obama) and will skim the huge middle

every stock trader should understand this......hint, bob dab

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 21:19 | 2350253 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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You're doing it wrong.  To hedge the bets you're taking on Romney you should bet on Romney.  If Romney wins you get the difference between the odds you're offering and the odds you get from the bookies.  If Romney loses you don't have to pay out on the bets you took.  Adjust the size of your hedge to net the same in either case.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:14 | 2349360 LawsofPhysics
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"1-2 favorite"


I don't know if you should be visiting those websites or any bookie that gives you 1-2 odds for the favorite.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:41 | 2349465 derek_vineyard
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bet 2 win 1

odds on........... might be 5-9 now

in a two horse race the favorite is going to be less that 1-1

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 17:33 | 2349861 LawsofPhysics
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damn, in truth, that is not easy money.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 21:25 | 2350261 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Unless one knew for certain that Ron Paul would be running as an independent, "spoiling" the election by splitting the republican vote.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:23 | 2349383 MillionDollarBonus_
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Reasons why Ron Paul is NOT a credible candidate:

  1. Ron Paul favors ending foreign aid to Israel, one of our key strategic allies. This will result in a serious blow to our joint effort to end terrorism and spread freedom worldwide.
  2. Mr Paul is a know racist, who supports the repeal of the civil rights act. It has been documented by countless history professors that slavery would not have ended without this legislation and that if it were to be repealed today, people would become racist again.
  3. Ron Paul favors auditing the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States of America. According to many economists and Federal Reserve officials, including members of top financial institutions like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase, this would seriously compromise their ability to set monetary policy independently of congress. 
Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:30 | 2349421 Hedgetard55
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     So solly, but your troll-fu not very strong with that post.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:39 | 2349458 economics9698
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"supports the repeal of the civil rights act. It has been documented by countless history professors that slavery would not have ended without this legislation and that if it were to be repealed today, people would become racist again."

Become racist again, lmao.  

I think people are becoming racist again but only because of the dead bodies piling up around the country caused by black on white crime.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:45 | 2349481 GOSPLAN HERO
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Rayciss be bad.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 18:08 | 2349933 smiler03
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MMMKay. Mr Mackey is that you?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:02 | 2349562 ChrisFromMorningside
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(Non-black) People see how the liberal agenda has succeeded in completely destroying the concept of a nuclear family for the vast majority of black people and it scares them, because they know Hispanics/whites/Asians are next (in that order).

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:14 | 2349603 The Disappointed
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How about white on black crime?

Remember Amadou Diallo?

or Maybe Oscar Grant?

If those murders are not enough for black people to hate policemen, slavery never really ended.

The Other Dave in SF (where all of the swans are pink and we're f***ing proud of it!)

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:25 | 2349659 smb12321
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Oddly it is mostly the Left who go on and on about racial differences.  These white/black on black/white comments miss the point.  16 of every 17 (94%) of black men are killed by other black men. It is not that the 1 out of 17 is not tragic.  But there is an attempt to generalize the rare occurrence and present it as the norm when the very opposite is true.  Most folks don't give a rat's ass what the shade of someone's skin is.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:32 | 2349430 LawsofPhysics
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Not one of you better satirical posts MDB.  Regarding #3, yeah, people who are conducting illegal and unethical operations often hate to be held accountable.  Damn, I took the bait.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:02 | 2349567 ChrisFromMorningside
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MDB lost his subtlety and realism.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:38 | 2349455 I Am Not a Copp...
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Correct - we should maintain our relationship with Israel at all costs because we get so much out of it

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:41 | 2349459 Kilgore Trout
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"people would become racist again"


Cmon y'all, that's funny!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:53 | 2349523 House of Ronin
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Notice these are knowns...I would rather dance with the devil I know... Than have my liberties slowly stripped through the backdoor, masked as something they aren't (i.e. ndaa)

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:55 | 2349532 Robot Traders Mom
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"Mr Paul is a know racist, who supports the repeal of the civil rights act. It has been documented by countless history professors that slavery would not have ended without this legislation"


@Million-I didn't know we still have slaves running plantations until 1964. Good to know!


Listen, I can't continue to defend you as the official Zerohedge troll if you continue to act like a fucking dipshit without a brain. Scale it back and be a little less fucking dumb.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:16 | 2349616 Joeman34
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Do you miss your son?  Haven't seen him around these parts lately.  Must be analyzing AAPL for some backward looking trade ideas...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 21:34 | 2350282 MeelionDollerBogus
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You know what they say about the AAPL and the tree...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 20:57 | 2350192 Bansters-in-my-...
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No one has ever made me puke from reading shit that spews from their patriotic mouth,but you have came very very close.

Fuck Off  and die.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 21:33 | 2350281 MeelionDollerBogus
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What's the Israel strategy? Get everyone nuked?

How's that alliance going vis-a-vis 9/11/2001 and the USS Liberty?

"Ron Paul favors auditing the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States of America. According to many economists and Federal Reserve officials, including members of top financial institutions like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase, this would seriously compromise their ability to set monetary policy independently of congress. "

Ya, according to the Mafia and to the Vatican it also compromises their ability to operate if we audit everything they do.

These gangster criminal organizations, Fed included, compromise our entire financial security and all of our economies. We have to compromise them or we die.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 23:52 | 2350485 Pitchman
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1. That's a joke right?

2. I will not.  Will you?

3.  You prefer an independent cabal issue our currency and lend it to us at interest, which is contrary to the Constitution?


The 11 who gave you a thumbs up are still laughing.



Mon, 04/16/2012 - 20:47 | 2350198 Clowns on Acid
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I'll take your Obama 1-2 odds price all day long. Don't be so feckin stupid in this space.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 23:17 | 2350446 knukles
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I'll hold your bets in an allocated customer account....

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:11 | 2349344 Abiotic Oil
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No matter what nonsense delegate numbers the MSM is spewing, Romney is not even half way to 1144 delegates and Ron Paul is pulling upsets all over the country in delegates, which is the only thing that matters.  Santorum supporters are now crossing over to Ron to shut out Romney and will only add to Ron's delegate count.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:21 | 2349382 battle axe
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No way Ron Paul takes the nomination, maybe, just maybe he gets offered VP spot, but even that is a long shot. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:29 | 2349415 Abiotic Oil
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Based on what? The MSM false reports of delegate counts?  The winner of the Straw Polls, aka "Beauty Contests" have nothing to do with delegate counts.  


With the suspension of Rick Santorum’s presidential campaign, mainline Republicans immediately began reporting that the race was over, and that Mitt Romney was the GOP nominee for the presidency. But Romney supporters may have started celebrating prematurely. If recent events are any indication, Ron Paul is a dangerous competitor.

First, Rick Santorum’s supporters have begun uniting with Paulistas on an anti-Romney slate at state conventions. Bolstered by this arrangement, Ron Paul is gathering large numbers of delegates even in states where he performed poorly in the initial voting. In Colorado, a state where Paul came in last place, a Paul/Santorum “Conservative Unity Slate” has captured the plurality of delegates, with Ron Paul leading the coalition. In addition, the Paul/Santorum alliance removed Romney supporter Ryan Call, Colorado State Party Chairman, from his seat as Delegation Chairman, as well as placed two of its own members on the state’s Rules Committee.

Similarly, in Minnesota, three district conventions were held, with Ron Paul winning every delegate. Much is also suspected in Missouri. And in states where Paul performed well, the effects are predicted to be even more dramatic.

Second, Ron Paul has the best chance to win over Evangelicals and even more Santorum supporters, as seen in events past and present. Remember that it was Ron Paul who won the Evangelical Values Voters Summit straw poll back in October of 2011.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:04 | 2349526 battle axe
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Abiotic Oil: They are  not going to pick Ron Paul, he will in no way win enough delegates, do the math. The Romney campaign, if they are smart will pick someone like Rubio from Florida, he is Hispanic (fastest growing segment of the population) He is arch conservative (appeals to the base of the party) he is CATHOLIC (takes care of Romney's Mormon problem). Also Ron Paul has not come across great in the GOP debates. He is a loose canon that the party does not want (even though a lot of what he says is correct). You can wish for this guy all you want, but he is DOA. I would love to see Paul Ryan as a running mate, but he will probably wait it out until 2016 or 2020 because much like the rest of us on ZH, he knows the shit is going to hit the fan worse then it already has. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:06 | 2349575 ChrisFromMorningside
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A Catholic on the ballot doesn't take care of Romney's "Mormon problem." A Mormon and a Catholic appealing to an overwhelmingly Protestant base?

Also, your definition of "arch conservative" is ... interesting. Even if we assume that the GOP does represent real conservatism (which I do not personally agree with), Rubio is far from being an "arch conservative." He is a moderate at best.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:17 | 2349618 battle axe
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Chris: The far right bible thumpers (born again Christians etc etc) see the Mormon religion as a "Heretic Religion", by having a big time family man, who goes to church every Sunday, and is a practicing CATHOLIC, that will appease some of the bible thumpers. Also if you look up the make up of the GOP, a large part of it is CATHOLIC, which helps Romney even more. How is Rubiuo not a Conservative? Abortion? Fiscally? Gay Marriage? please give me examples, because he sure as shit comes across as a conservative, and he has said he is one. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:44 | 2349744 Blankenstein
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Also Ron Paul has not come across great in the GOP debates. He is a loose canon that the party does not want (even though a lot of what he says is correct)

Loose canon, not sure about that, but he doesn't come across as a smooth, slick speaker like some of the others.  That's our country's problem, it is all about appearances.  It is much easier to speak smoothly if you repeat generalized talking points or use a teleprompter.  If Obama and Romney were asked to speak in depth about the economy, like Ron Paul does, they would fail miserably.    

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 17:11 | 2349808 battle axe
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Still does not change the final outcome, it will be Romney, and neither Blankenstein or Chris have shown any logic why Ron Paul will win. The best he can do is set this up for his son Rand for 2016 or 2020. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 18:15 | 2349946 HeliBen
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"Looking ahead, Romney would need to win about 80 percent of the delegates available in the April and May events to possibly clinch on May 29th when Texas holds its primary with 152 delegates at stake. If Romney won 90 percent of the delegates in April and through May 22nd he may still come up short of the 1,144 and need delegates from Texas' primary on May 29th. "

Good Luck with that Mittens, bring on the brokered convention.

HeliBen - Precint Delegate heading to District Delegate voting for Ron Paul

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 17:25 | 2349839 Abiotic Oil
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4 years have been spent infiltrating the GOP establishment with Ron Paul supporters, we'll see how it pans out.

The "math" you refer to isn't even "math" yet, i.e. MSM calling Iowa delegates for Romney when Iowa hasn't even had their county and state convention yet and in reality there are zero delegates actually appointed in many states.  Half the country hasn't even voted yet.

Yes the GOP can commit epic fraud as they have already been doing (St. Charles, MO caucaus comes to mind where they tried to steal it from Ron and then when it was held again, Ron pwned).  Suppressing Ron will only hasten the demise of the Red Team though as the GOP is essentially telling all the new blood coming to the party just for Ron to, "go away, we don't want your kind."

Of course the cartel doesn't care, Obama has been doing a great job as sock puppet.

Also, anti-Mormon bigotry runs deep in this country.  How many times have people, including the feds, tried to exterminate them?



  • 1838 Mormon War (aka Missouri Mormon War), a conflict in 1838 between Latter Day Saints and their neighbors in northwestern Missouri
  • Illinois Mormon War, a conflict in 1844–1846 between Latter Day Saints and their neighbors in western Illinois
  • Utah War, a conflict in 1857–1858 between Latter Day Saints in Utah Territory and the United States federal government


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:57 | 2349545 ChrisFromMorningside
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How can they have Romney and Paul on the same ticket when they have such diametrically opposing views on so many issues? I just don't see how that could work. The liberals would have a field day pointing out the inconsistencies between the two. I see Rubio as being the most likely GOP VP candidate -- he'll give them Florida and he'll win over some % of Hispanics. That plus a significantly deflated Obama electorate (young people plus minorities, two of the groups most ravaged by Wall Street's destruction of the U.S. economy) should go a long way to guaranteeing a GOP win.

I guarantee you that if Ron Paul ran an insurgent third-party campaign he could easily win 20% of the national electorate. And he would take that 20% from both parties. The liberals and GOP would crap their pants. My assumption is that Paul decided against doing that with the promise that Rand will be a party establishment favorite for the GOP nomination in 2016 or 2020.

Ron Paul's campaign accomplished a lot though. Notice Jim DeMint's recent comments ( If the GOP clings to the neoconservative, big-government agenda then it's finished. That agenda is completely inconsistent with traditional conservatism, as more and more people are realizing every day. The two major parties are identical now. The GOP had/has a historic opportunity to remake itself. It's in a better position than the Dems are to embrace (1) libertarian ideals, (2) political devolution back to states/municipalities, and (3) economic policies that focus on building up the physical economy, as opposed to the fiat/digital financial sector. And those are three ideals that I think are on the verge of going on a political "bull run" over the next two decades. They would definitely win over young people. Too bad there are still tens of millions of Baby Boomer sheeple who think conservatism is about bombin' dem Muslims.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 22:29 | 2350377 bigkahuna
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Santorum has the nomination in 2016. He is doing the same thing Romney did in 2008 when Romney got out of McCain's way for the promise of 2012. Paul needs to blow a considerable amount of his campaigns wad now making sure people know he is still in it, he can say pro-life, tax/spend cutting, anti-war and he will be the only guy who can say these things out there. Will he do it? Who knows.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:21 | 2349378 GOSPLAN HERO
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You can have a Mormon or a Muslim.

... both are TPTB approved.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:37 | 2349440 bank guy in Brussels
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And both of them might not be US citizens ...

Barack Obama with his fake birth certificate, maybe born in Kenya, and sometimes not remembering the birthday on his fake certificate ... although another theory is Obama's fake certificate is hiding, not being a Kenyan, but the fact that his father might really be Frank Marshall Davis, radical writer in Chicago, who might have had an affair with his mum:

And then Mitt Romney's Mormon grandparents, might have renounced their US citizenship when they moved to Mexico so the men could have multiple wives where polygamy was still legal, Romney's father was born in Mexico (Romney ancestors with bunch of wives etc.) So some Americans say maybe Mitt Romney is a Mexican, a 'wetback' as American gringos call them ...

Apparently Romney with his polygamous family tree, has joked about polygamy sometimes, with a conservative-style start to the joke, 'I believe marriage is between a man and a woman ...(pause) ... and a woman ... and a woman ...' - Ha!

America does certainly provide distinctive political circus.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:22 | 2349640 ChrisFromMorningside
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The "Birthers" are also challenging Rubio's citizenship. He was born in 1971 but his parents didn't become U.S. citizens until 1975. If he were from any Latin American nation other than Cuba, he would be what conservatives call an "anchor baby."


I don't see what's wrong with polygamy though. We live in a culture where a whole lot of men have been subject to arrested development. Witness the gangster culture that allows men to impregnate a woman and then bear zero responsibility. Witness all the men who spend all of their mental effort and resources mesmerized by meaningless pop culture ephemera. Witness all of the men who have been feminized (aesthetically and psychologically) by our feminist culture. I know so many couples where traditional gender roles have been perfectly flipped: female is the aggressive breadwinner while the male takes a backseat in the relationship. A lot of women actually resent that ... they want to have financial autonomy and they want to enjoy the privileges of men but they also want to feel "taken care of." Doesn't work that way and it creates frustration.

It's all only possible thanks to the Ponzi though ... From the welfare benefits that so many single mothers use to the female-dominated service-sector jobs that only exist thanks to central banks propping up our consumerist corporatocracy. I expect once the Ponzi/fiat system fails, you'll see some major reversals back to a more traditional culture and something like polygamy will be much MORE commonplace, because so many men will be seen as unsuitable mates in the long term.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:21 | 2349387 bank guy in Brussels
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Tyler writes:

« ... Just as the one(crossed out) two-party political system likes it. ... »

Good to see Tyler Durden of ZeroHedge, explicitly recognising that the US political election system is a fake.

The writer Gore Vidal said this years ago ... There is only effectively One Party in America ...

And decades before that, America's Huey Long said the same thing in the 1930s, before his assassination ... That in America it is like you are in a restaurant, and you have a choice between 'Republican' waiters and 'Democrat' waiters on the two sides of the restaurant ... but they are both serving the same grub from the same Wall Street kitchen.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:17 | 2349613 Fedaykinx
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The Kingfish was from Louisiana, we'll claim him even though FDR once said he was one of the two most dangerous men in the country.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:22 | 2349394 GCT
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Nothing more needs to be said CD said it all! +1

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:55 | 2349530 Caviar Emptor
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A banker and a banker's bitch 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:20 | 2349630 GeorgeHayduke
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Watching folks get all fired up about this loser's race is funny and sad. Obama has proven that there's only about 0.000001% difference between the "two parties".

I love the folks who think it's all going to be better if Mittens wins. As if Goldman Sach won't run the Treasury AGAIN (for how many years running now?), and all the usual corporate human trash from Bush's 8 years of abject failure and village idiocy won't come in to run the various departments and agencies again.

Isn't doing the same thing and expecting different results the definition of insanity? Wake up[ Sheep!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:34 | 2349689 ChrisFromMorningside
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A Mittens victory will actually speed up the plan to overthrow the Iranian government through a NATO-sponsored "Green" color revolution.

Mittens' foreign policy advisor Mitchell Reiss is one of the primary movers-and-shakers pushing to remove the MEK (People's Mujahedin of Iran) from the State Department's Foreign Terrorist Organization list. Others include former CIA chief Porter Goss, former CIA chief James Woolsey, former DNC head Howard Dean and several congressmen. Taking them off the State Department list would allow Western governments to greatly increase their training, funding and supplying of the MEK.

The MEK is responsible for the assasinations of the nuclear scientists in Iran over the past several years, as per the Obama administration. MEK militants were trained in Nevada during the Bush administration, despite the fact that the State Department's listing prevented any American entity from doing business with them at the time. In the 70s, this same group murdered several American military officers. In the 90s, they were frontline forces who worked on behalf of Saddam Hussein in crushing the Kurdish nationalist uprising.

Obama's strategy with Iran is to use Israel as a proxy for a potential aerial bombardment. Mittens' strategy will be to instigate a color revolution within the nation in order to destabilize it and justify a NATO land-based incursion, probably though Balochistan (which would also allow the U.S. to expand its free-operations area in Pakistan).

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:41 | 2349729 GeorgeHayduke
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Well, I guess we can always count on the Republican side of the THE PARTY to beat the war drum louder and speed up any aggressive action. Then they can pray in public and piously tell us how abortion kills and all that rot.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:21 | 2349647 Ruffcut
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Since cheney got a new heart, I was hoping he would run in the clusterfuck mix.

Maybe next time we can be like the vatican and wait til one dies and let the congresscritters all put their asshats into the ring. The choosen one can then, wear a hat like a conehead.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:17 | 2350047 Pitchman
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@ Cog. D.


Today’s challenges bring to mind JFK’s prophetic words of truth in his attempts to End The Fed, stop the war in SE Asia and battle organized crime;

“A revolution is coming – a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough, compassionate if we care enough, successful if we are fortunate enough – but a revolution is coming whether we will it or not. We can affect its character, we cannot alter its inevitability.” – JFK

It is really very simple; those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.

“This is not a question of party loyalty, but a great fundamental principle of freedom, justice and humanity, a tenet of truth, law and legal right which is sought to be tampered with, and down-trod.” – Colonel Charles V. DeLand, February 8, 1854 – A Principle founder of the then 'new' Republican Party (the last time a new outlook replaced a major party).

Please See: Mitt Romney Is Totally Unelectable! Vote Ron Paul 2012!


CD I think you may enjoy this....

With Monsanto the FDA, Bernanke and the rest of the psychopathic phenotype in tow Mustafa Cohen carries the day. - What lack of imagination leads to


Inflection Point

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:09 | 2349320 AssFire
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Only exhibit of faith and loyality I have been able to find these days... from a fuckin dog.

and half the world would like to eat that fucker

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:09 | 2349321 I think I need ...
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its a puppet race, who will be the bankers next go to guy?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:10 | 2349339 RKDS
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Absolutely, bickering over which one it should be is a fool's errand.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:19 | 2349381 krispkritter
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Kukla, Fran, or Ollie?...because the show must go on dammit!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:47 | 2349494 francis_sawyer
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 ==> Coke ZERO

==> Pepsi ZERO


Go ahead & cast your vote... Either way, you get ZERO calories (& will probably end up with cancer)...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:52 | 2349520 blu
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Oh? What if it's not the bankers anymore but the military? Lots of time between now and elections for this to go really badly.

The next and newest presidential nominee may not even be in the race right now.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:09 | 2349322 tmosley
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Ron Paul or Fascism, bitchez.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:08 | 2349324 midgetrannyporn
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Voting is for chumps.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:09 | 2349325 Buckaroo Banzai
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Where's "none of the above" in those statistics? Just goes to show that the average American voter is a fucking moron.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:26 | 2349409 odatruf
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The average voter is fucking average.  Nothing more or less.  They may be incredibly uninformed. But that makes them disinterested, not morons.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:33 | 2349427 Buckaroo Banzai
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OK fair enough. Substitute "ignoramus" for "moron". Even a person of average intelligence can make themselves aware and informed if they try a little bit.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:07 | 2349571 easypoints
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If you're over 50, which most voters are, and are relatively intelligent, you are probably informed via the MSM Ministry of Truth TV show/newspaper/magazine, and are therefore not informed so much as conditioned.

Blame the ones who maintain this current "Matrix", not the ones still trapped by it. The smart ones will jolt awake some day soon, and they will be very, very pissed off.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 18:40 | 2349982 smiler03
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easypoints says: I know. I'll pull a statistic out of my ass, and make sure it is shit!

In the 2008 Presidential Election:

Voter Age    Votes Cast (in 1000s)

18-24 - 28263

25-34 - 40240 

35-44 - 41460

45-54 - 44181

55-64 - 33896

65-74 - 20227 

75 +   - 17231

Now if you ignore the 45-54 age group (45,46,47,48,49,50 and 51,52,53,54) which favours the older age group,then you get the following

18 to 44 year old voters - 110,963,000

55 + - 71,354,000

So 39 million more people 44 and under voted against those 55 and up.

So you're wrong. Join the "ZH make up any shit and post it club".

Tue, 04/17/2012 - 08:34 | 2350948 easypoints
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thank you for your nerd rage correction, the modest way you worded it, and for joining the zh change the topic with moot point club. ill say that ninety percent of all voters get their news from the msm. please get very upset about it and search for the actual number, while ignoring the topic.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:48 | 2350111 odatruf
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That's the thing Buckaroo.  The average person is smart enough, but they've decided to tune out because they have concluded even knowing more wouldn't change the choices they face.  There are plenty of well informed people; where did that get them?


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:46 | 2349493 Red Heeler
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The people surveyed for this poll are average fucking morons.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:08 | 2349327 Desert Irish
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So the choice is either Mittens or Odumber....we are truely fucked.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:10 | 2349330 JW n FL
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Where is Ron Paul??

I dont want to pay Taxes any more!

Let the Poor Fight amongst themselves already!


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:13 | 2349350 AgShaman
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Ron Paul will be providing the "Ross Perot Scapegoating" factor.

See...see, if you RP supporters had just come on over to the "Mitten's Camp"....then Obama wouldn't have been elected to a second term.

The RNC's battlecry: "It's all Ron Paul's fault!"

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:31 | 2349361 JW n FL
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I want to be able to Shit on the Beach! becuase that is Freedom!!

No Taxes!!

and Shitting on the Beach Baby!!

That is Freedom!

here is the Truth about Hungry People!! Just wait until Americans, Well Armed Americans are Hungry!


and here is the truth about the VOTE RIGGING!! AGAINST RON PAUL!!  ----------------------------------->>>>>>

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:30 | 2349417 tmosley
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 17:18 | 2349671 JW n FL
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I am a supporter of hope and change..

I am a supporter of NO! Lobby!! in the White House..

You know.. All the things Obama Lied! about.

Bring my People home from the 3rd World Shit Holes..

the Whole ShaBang! I wanted it ALL!

I was a Believer!! in Hope and Change..

I am NOT! ashamed of wanting all those things and MORE! for my Country!

But! it was not too be!

Obama could have fought the system.. and ended up like Kennedy.

Instead Obama travels the World as the Most Powerful Man on the Planet (in the publics eye).

The Government is perpetuating civil unrest.. it is NOT helping get things back to a dull, boring roar.. Wall Street knows its cheaper to Blow the Baby Boomers out that to pay them.. but the bulk (of even the thinkers who are awake) dont want to admit thats true.

We as a Nation are heading for some NASTY! Rapids.. that the Government has blueprints for.. and the rest of us are just paddling blindly down stream trying not to get caught up in the log jam of stupidity! people are like the Bees.. getting poinsoned off!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:10 | 2349331 bob_dabolina
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They both give me diarrhea

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:11 | 2349346 derek_vineyard
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seems you have that same effect on some ZHers

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:16 | 2349364 bob_dabolina
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Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:48 | 2349499 derek_vineyard
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i'm not familiar with you, but i noticed a couple of posters razz you pretty good

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:50 | 2349512 fuu
Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:06 | 2349577 derek_vineyard
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now i get it, bob dabolina here on ZH wants to be black, but his application was denied

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 18:44 | 2349992 smiler03
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Be careful dissing bob, he has the backing of God.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:09 | 2349332 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Obomba wins in a walk. This is just circus so people think it's a contest and they can still sell lots of ads. RP might have beaten him but they stole that possibility from us.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:37 | 2349444 Buckaroo Banzai
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Last week I would have agreed with you. But this is the first sign that the PTB are at least considering throwing Obama under the bus. First real critical article of Obama to appear in the MSM:

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:49 | 2349515 francis_sawyer
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I predicted a few weeks ago on these boards that the S&P would start to sell off as soon as Romney was basically assured of an adequate delegate count (same thing happened in 2008 after the North Carolina primary put Obama over the top vs. Clinton)... Here, I thought it would take another month, but basically Santorum bugged out & now Wall St. has its two monkey boys...

Cue the balloons & confetti...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:09 | 2349336 SILVERGEDDON

Republican. Democrat. Who gives a fuck ? Two sides to the same story. The lap dogs for the psychotic aristocrats that truly rule, and determine how the USA is getting gutted by corruption, power, and money. May they all be sentenced to life on a desert island, surrounded by barbed wire, so they can't swim out to drown - the easy way out. Just dump all of them there with a supply of baseball bats. Nothing else. Then, let them practice politics on each other. The world would be a better place. 

When did " Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness " become " Live a Miserable Existence to Serve our Greed for Power and Money " God better bless America, and, save it from the ruling class before it is too late. They may rule the political arena, the monetary system, and the courts, but they cannot extinguish the Constitution Of The United States of America. Yet. You all need to stop looking at the single tree that the media dog is barking at, and peeing on. Start looking at the forest as endangered, and about to be burned down. No Country For Men Of Any Age then, bitchez.

Politics is like masturbation. It may be temporarily satisfying, but you know it isn't like the real thing. Even worse when you can see some one humping your Lady Liberty right in front of you, laughing all the way to the bank, and making it illegal for you to do anything about it other than masturbate some more. We need a Network TV moment. " I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it any more ! "

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 17:26 | 2349846 blu
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 let them practice politics on each other


That would be the default reply to anyone in the 1% saying "let them eat cake"

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:11 | 2349337 Seize Mars
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"Now that the GOP primary is essentially over, and Mitt Romney is set, for better or worse, to be the Republican frontrunner..."

Um, did you forget someone?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:11 | 2349341 j0nx
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Two turds floating in the same bowl. Which one stinks worse? Hard to tell. Probably Obama but still that's no compliment to Romney or the GOP's ability to field a viable candidate or to the American people for allowing this incompetence to go on for as long as it has.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 17:35 | 2349862 blu
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The American people will elect anyone who tells them what they want to hear.

The economy is fine. America has never been stronger. Globalism is the key to everything. Banking innovations are leading the way to a new prosperity. Housing continues to be a great investment. The dollar is a strong investment vehicle. Jobs are being created or saved every day. We have the best health care system in the world. Our military is welcomed the world over. America will become a net crude oil exporter in the near future. Freedom is alive and well in America and your kids have a great future ahead of them.

The poor befuddled scared-to-death cattle will be lead to their slaughter, never knowing they were party to their own deception.

Probably just as well they never knew. Nobody wants to die a loser.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:01 | 2350015 knukles
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Arguing whose turd is bigger rides highest in the cistern.

Joy to the World

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:11 | 2349345 Rusticus
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With no daylight between them,  dead heat should come as no surprise.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:12 | 2349347 LawsofPhysics
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Wow, both of the bank's and the financial sector's, candidates are in a close race, FAIL.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:23 | 2349395 Unprepared
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Yeah. I'm sure that using some synthetic trade/options, the bank can generate the maximum payoff with zero downside risk.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:24 | 2349356 dwdollar
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"less than 50% of the population will participate in an active election process"

In other words, at least 50% of the population knows the election is a shame. This little bit still gives me hope.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:16 | 2349366 Gold N Glocks
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So TPTB have now decided we can either have Kenyan Black or Mormon Decaf.

I'm still going for Chock Full O'Paul!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:16 | 2349367 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Dick Cheney recently endorsed Obama saying he appreciates Obama's continuation of the George Bush's policy of "Unmitigated Disaster ".


It's a done deal guys.  Obama has been Chosen, the GOP just wants a punching bag for 4 more years.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:31 | 2349426 Stoploss
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Yep, already bought and paid for.

My last check still has 68% of the electorate. More than enough.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 18:57 | 2350001 smiler03
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As you rightly point out he actually said [of Obama] "He has been an unmitigated disaster to the country".

But be forgiving, alcoholics can see things other people can't.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:15 | 2350042 knukles
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Fuck yeah, I used to see snakes crawling out of people's mouths, spiders and bugs on my arms, shadow people, sometimes couldn't even see other than a bright white light, lots of blurry unfocus, red eyes burning bright....
Alcoholic psychosis, esentially enjoying the same frames of mind, the delusions of grandeur, persecution, reference and influence as found in paranoid schitzophrenics.  With impaired physical vision as a bonus.
And for a few dollars extra, we'll even throw in cold sweats, shakes, bruising and passing of blood.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:17 | 2349370 Iriestx
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Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:17 | 2349372 The Proletariat
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I didn't know so many independents were racists .....

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:20 | 2349379 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Independents are not racist they are just #1 with racist.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:23 | 2349393 j0nx
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Interesting to see if the blacks get all riled up if their savior loses his reelection bid and then start rioting in the cities. I think they will be unpleasantly surprised at the lack of 'good will' by other cultures towards them if they do. Interesting times ahead for sure.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:26 | 2349405 Alcoholic Nativ...
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I'll bet you 10,000 dollars Obama wins.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:40 | 2349413 bob_dabolina
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When black people get "rialed" up they smash windows and steal diapers and Gerbers baby formula. When white people get all hot-n-bothered they for some reason try to take over the world (Hitler, Mussolini, Napolean, Stalin, the Romans etc)

I'd rather have the diaper thieves.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:09 | 2349582 10mm
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Ahhh,when did good will count?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:17 | 2349373 NuYawkFrankie
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Anal root-canal - without anesthesia - would be less painful than watching these two blithering idiots.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:18 | 2349374 gimli
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Meanwhile -- there are people running around Chicago ........... naked! ......... who'd have thunk it?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:20 | 2349389 midgetrannyporn
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Too bad (for them) they aren't JPM or GS.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:17 | 2349375 JohnKing
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The two party crime syndicate offers great "choices".

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:19 | 2349376 machinegear
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I disagree with premise of the chart "Who Cares the Most?". Participation should not 'equal' caring. The US politicial system is soooo broken many have simply checked out. Look at the next presidential election. For the person who cares about their country they have a choice between voting for a proven black theologian socialist or a weak man who flip flops positions in an attempt to appease all. A lose, lose effort. Sure you can 'participate' by writing in Ron Paul, as I will, but most would say that is probably closer to -not- participating since the outcome is nothing.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:18 | 2349377 Sudden Debt
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Belgium? Cares the most?


And believe me... Nobody cares anymore. Every political party consists out of morons who fill their pockets...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:20 | 2349386 pods
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If nobody shows up to vote they lose that all important "mandate" BS line.

You know, stores go out of business when nobody shows up.

Food for thought.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:20 | 2349388 lolmao500
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Women won't vote for Romney because of the GOP anti-women stance...

And the stupid GOP won't elect Ron Paul as their main candidate, so Obama will sure get reelected. Even if he attacks Iran, even if the economy implodes. No matter what, Obama will get reelected...

/not that it matters since both are gun grabbers.

Romney signs off on permanent assault weapons ban
Governor Mitt Romney has signed into law a permanent assault weapons ban that he says will make it harder for criminals to get their hands on these guns.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:42 | 2349470 LawsofPhysics
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"Governor Mitt Romney has signed into law a permanent assault weapons ban that he says will make it harder for criminals to get their hands on these guns."


Ah yes, because we all know how criminals like to follow the law.  Now it's those law abiding American tenants that we have got to do something about.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:17 | 2350039 smiler03
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Is it legal to own RPGs, C4 and grenades in the States or are they for the bad guys only?

<---- downvote

"The new law also makes a number of improvements to the current gun licensing system, including:

Extending the term of a firearm identification card and a license to carry firearms from four years to six years;

Granting a 90-day grace period for holders of firearm identification cards and licenses to carry who have applied for renewal; and

Creating a seven-member Firearm License Review Board to review firearm license applications that have been denied. "


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:21 | 2349391 Shizzmoney
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If Obama loses to Romney, that probably would be one of the biggest election fails in the history of forever.  It would literally, be the first time, that the country would have voted a POTUS that 76% of the country does genuinely not like.  At least Bush was 50/50.

Either way, we are headed to serfdom.  Whether by horse buggy (Obama) or Romney (Spped Rail).

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:39 | 2350058 smiler03
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Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:25 | 2349402 rich_wicks
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Let's see.  Rommey and Obama agree on:

  1. The NDAA allowing indefinite detention of US citizens without charge or trial
  2. Assassinating US citizens without charge or trial if they are deemed a terrorist (and you can trust your government, they were right about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq weren't they?)
  3. Bailouts.  Bailouts are good.  Just ask Bain capital, and the Obama's largest campaign contributors - our financial "industry"
  4. War with Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria.  Those are all good justified wars well worth fighting and spending money on.
  5. Keeping bases like Guantanamo open - but of course, Guantanamo is the only base like that.  Our government would come clean about any others..
  6. Keeping the Patriot Act law
  7. That TSA makes us safer.  After all, if you can't do a full body cavity search on an 83 year old woman, how can you be certain your plane won't blow up?

Yes America, you have an excellent choice.  Good thing you didn't vote for Ron Paul or anything.  He's crazy.  I mean, what are civil liberties for other than giving up?  That's the whole point of them, isn't it?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:30 | 2349416 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Gotta stay the course in the war on terror.   Al-Qaeda may be deeply emotionally shocked by Obama's theatrical slaying of leader Osama.  But rest assured they are still out there, and they won't stop until they have dominated the entire world.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:12 | 2349594 We need Geronimo
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Especially the ONE HUNDRED Al-Qaeda in Afganistan. I hope our ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND troops there can get them...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:44 | 2349742 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Oh my god where to start with you types. Look this is not Hitler or Tojo we're supposedly "fighting" here. We beat both of those real threats without torturing anybody or destroying our civil liberties or making the rest of the world hate us. But we're supposed to believe that fighting a bunch of goat herders justfies bankrupting the nation and destroying our civil rights? America has 41 military bases encircling Iran and can turn the entire country into a smoking heap of radioactive rubble literally within about half an hour, and even the Pentagon and CIA admit they have no credible way to attack the US. THAT's the enemy we're all supposed to be trembling in our boots about? I remember when we were condemning the Soviets for spying on their own people and invading Afghanistan for no reason.

Iran and Iraq and Syria are/were a threat to Israel, not the US. When your grandkids are broke, are you gonna point to a bunch of dead goatherders on the other side of the planet and tell them "that's where we spent all your money?"

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:25 | 2349404 wee-weed up
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If Obama gets too far down in the polls... I wouldn't be surprised if he dumps Biden and makes Hillary his running mate.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:37 | 2349452 MFL8240
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And Hillary is better than Biden?  No, the problem is not Biden, it is Obama!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 17:57 | 2349917 wee-weed up
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Oh, I agree 100%... Obama is the problem. But Hillary has more much gravitas with female voters than dumb-ass Biden.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:23 | 2350056 knukles
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As if Joe has any gravitas with the males, either, eh?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:49 | 2349503 f16hoser
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Yes. Most Amerikans agree, Biden is dumber than a box of rocks.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:58 | 2349547 francis_sawyer
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It would never happen...

1. Polls? Are you fucking kidding me? POLLS?

2. After year two of the lame duck presidency, somehow they'll 'retire' Biden... They wouldn't want toe old bag Hilary to get stale, so appointing her VP with about 18 months to go until 2016 is probably the more likely plan...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 15:31 | 2349418 Vince Clortho
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Don't re-elect Anybody.

That limits the personal damage any one of these puppets can do to one term.

If Ron Paul is not on the ballot, write his name in.

A year after the election who is going to want to admit they voted for either of those other two?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 20:38 | 2350187 Amish Hacker
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Is anyone going to do a Nobody for President campaign this year? I remember some of the slogans from the 70s: Nobody's perfect. Nobody's working very hard for you in Washington. Nobody could do a better job than the current candidates. I would gladly vote for Nobody, because Nobody cares.


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