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Gary Gensler Explains How CFTC Allowed PFG To Steal $200 MM In Client Funds 8 Months After MF Global

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Former Goldman appartchik Gary Gensler is about to take the stage (again) and explain why the CFTC should exist at all after allowing not only MF Global but a few weeks ago, Peregrine Financial, to steal hundreds of millions in client money without any regulatory supervision at all. All we can say here is: Free Corzine!


Panel 1

The Honorable Gary Gensler, Chairman, U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Washington, D.C.

Panel 2

Mr. Daniel J. Roth, President and Chief Executive Officer, National Futures Association, Chicago, Illinois

Mr. Terrence Duffy, Executive Chairman and President, CME Group, Inc., Chicago, Illinois

The Honorable Walter L. Lukken, President and Chief Executive Officer, Futures Industry Association, Washington, D.C.

Mr. John Heck, Senior Vice President, The Scoular Company, Omaha, Nebraska; on behalf of the National Grain and Feed Association

The Honorable Charles F. Conner, President and Chief Executive Officer, National Council of Farmer Cooperatives, Washington, D.C.

Mr. Paul McElroy, Chief Financial Officer, JEA, Jacksonville, Florida; on behalf of the American Public Power Association


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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:16 | 2649061 Pladizow
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Fuck Schmiegel!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:25 | 2649128 BaBaBouy
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Makes Ben Shalom a Very Very PROUD man ...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:34 | 2649155 BaBaBouy
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Hey Fucknuts, Ask Him About the Years-Old SILVER Manip Investigation???

Uuh... "We have an ongoing Investigation --- on the ongoing Silver Manip Investigation..."

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:52 | 2649299 iDealMeat
Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:19 | 2649426 Troll Magnet
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Jews in charge!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:12 | 2649573 TruthInSunshine
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From:       The desk of The Hon. Jon S. Corzine

To:           My Friends & Fellow Citizens


Dear Friends,


As I sit on my yacht in the Hamptons on this glum afternoon, it is with a heavy heart that I co-witness the litany of scandals, crimes and injustices perpetrated against average Americans, who like I, have "played by the rules" for their entire life, yet are being bled dry by those who have not only "not played by the rules," but have used their political and regulatory connections to "game the system" and receive special and preferential treatment from both government agencies and departments such the CFTC & Treasury, and private?/public? quasi-public?/or-not? entities such as the New York Branch of the Federal Reserve Bank.

We must demand and expect nothing less than full and complete justice to see that those who have wounded the economy and nation so deeply, and have rigged the game, breaking markets in the process, are prosecuted and punished in such a way that these crimes and this reprehensible conduct ends and is never repeated again.

If trust is not re-established in the very core institutions that our economy depends on, and if average people like you and I lose faith in the process that has made us such a great nation, we will surely continue to lose far greater ground than thus far in our quest for justice and fairness.

It's time to end the insider games, kleptocratic scheming, and the cronyism that is severely damaging our shared values and interests. As ordinary Americans, we need to demand justice now.




The Hon. Jon S. Corzine


Former United States Senator (D-NJ), Former Governor of New Jersey, Former CEO of Goldman Sachs, Former CEO of MF Global (a former Primary Dealer), and prominent Obama Bundler


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:54 | 2649576 jeff montanye
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troll magnet, you bring up an interesting if incendiary point.  the utter shock of madoff's victims seemed to indicate a certain expectation of tribal solidarity.  

not to say that the independence of critics like naomi klein and glenn greenwald are not telling as to how crude a characterization "jews" really is.  

as luck would have it, greenwald's comment today is on how our elite's respect for tom friedman is the perfect example of the u.s.a.'s decline.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:03 | 2649676 The Big Ching-aso
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Another dog & phony baloney show.


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 16:15 | 2650609 4horse
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American exceptionalism . . .

odd you should be citing exceptions in what is in fact a known ethnic network: coopted or coerced you here perhaps merely currying favor preemptively a favorite and, many would insist, wisely, not to mention inevitably, so as to be allowed to maybe suckup what's left of their nickels'n''dimes lickspittle


yet, insult to injury eg. this man is still in prison doing time gg here insisting on it for the mere insult of being a corrupt fucking midget perhaps not even montaigne himself would risk printing or be permitted anything about said ethnocracy, wherein so much as crossing anyone within can and does seem to result in rumors of to say the least exclusion including word one about even this most visibly abject little snakehead


But you know buts cooption or coercion, Power is always indeed in need of contributors collaborators just such interconnectednessessity in light of which is one left to guess hedging-yer-bets that perhaps only you alone know best what equanimity there is to maintain


v the oncoming dark: 

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:14 | 2652102 Bringin It
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Blame all the Jews!!  Blame all the Jews!!  My hairs on fire!!  Blame all the Jews!!

Who said all Jews are in charge??

It's croney capitalism.  An ethnic mafia is manifestly visible in and around all levers of power with the possible exception of the military.  To say othrewise is to ignore reality.  Certain seats can only be held by mafia cadre, ie. Treasury and the Fed.  Ignoring reality can be dangerous to one's health as many are about to discover.  Connections are buried.  Why for example, does the central bank policy, aka guns and iPads, facilitate PNAC/Zionist War wet dreams?  A competent central bank operating honestly, under it's mandate would not have blown the housing bubble.

Look at Gary Gensler <gnaaahhh!!>  Ok, sorry don't look at Gary Gensler.  Look at the example Gary Gensler, and what a great job he's doing for his bosses at the expense of the America people.  Can you believe they used to explain the predominance by claiming merit?  What merit is there about the current CFTC and they way it is run?

Of course most Italians are not in the Cosa Nostra and most Irish are not in the IRA.  No one thinks all Russians are implicated if one admits to the existence of a Russian Mafia do they?

Just more f'd up semantics to keep the curtain in front of the little man tweaking the widgets a little longer.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:13 | 2649409 bigdumbnugly
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agree.   these wusses tiptoe all around it with their oh-so-reverant and limp-wristed questioning.

what?  do they think Gensler is Mighty Mouse or something?   he's gonna fly out of that chair and bop em one if he gets a real question?

the whole tone of this thing sucks.

find a pair of balls somewhere in public service, set both those balls in one of those chairs and get down to it.  sheesh.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:24 | 2649450 bigdumbnugly
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and no, for the record, i don't mean janet reno, janet napolitano, or hillary.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:24 | 2649451 Jay Gould Esq.
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And why is the Honorable Gary Gensler still in a position of regulatory authority, after these two clear breaches of duty ?

As an aside, the Honorable Gensler actually bears a curious resemblance to a certain F.W. Murnau character...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:45 | 2649541 bigdumbnugly
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wouldn't you know, it took a woman to ask him the tough questions in a real direct way.

congrats mrs. schmidt.

dam gensler trying to use this as a fundraiser 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:59 | 2650051 sgt_doom
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Two public personages I've met in the past:  Henry Kissinger and Gary Gensler, and they both lie their asses off at every opportunity.

'Nuff said. . .

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:44 | 2649255 vmromk
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Just look at the asshole, he has the look of a weasel.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:34 | 2649505 banksterhater
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fumigate the weasels!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:13 | 2649673 dirtbagger
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If you turn off the sound and watch his mouth it looks like the pa-pa-om-mow-mow scene in Water's Pink Flamingos flick.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:16 | 2649070 LULZBank
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Ewww... Thats even better than tranny porn!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:32 | 2649166 Satan
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No. The only thing better than tranny porn is midget tranny porn.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:27 | 2649133 Temporalist
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The proper spelling is Smeagol.  If you want to modify maybe make it closer to something like:


At least it's closer to the truth

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:43 | 2649537 DollarMenu
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And, while we are on spelling,

let's not forget the 'rat' in apparatchik.

He sure makes a good rat.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:33 | 2649171 noses
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Smeagol? What is he doing there? Any Rings worth stealing being cast today?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:19 | 2649083 Debtless
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Gensler should be hung, he's a dirty fucking cancer on the working class Amerika.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:37 | 2649163 Peter Pan
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Hanging should be a last resort if all manner of torture has been exhausted.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:44 | 2649257 EscapeKey
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But he's sorry.

Very, very sorry.

And that makes it all good again.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:01 | 2649869 Atlantis Consigliore
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play it; for the crooks.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:19 | 2649086 Rattling Bones
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Is this being aired on Comedy Central?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:22 | 2649090 JustObserving
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Four years and counting to investigate silver manipulation  by the CFTC. More regulatory capture in a corrupt system.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:23 | 2649110 MsCreant
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They are doing it for your own good. If the price of Gold and Silver got out of control, everyone would run, not walk, to turn their clown bux in for some. That would rip apart the financial system, restoring it to something less easy to manipulate or debase. You wouldn't want that, would you?

Go to sleep, go to sleep...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:45 | 2649264 SilverIsKing
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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:31 | 2649476 PrDtR
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Laughing my A_S_S OFF!  Clown Bux for US Dollars.. Priceless!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:33 | 2649178 DosZap
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Four years and counting to investigate silver manipulation  by the CFTC. More regulatory capture in a corrupt system.

You can forget this, and move on.

JPM was given the a/ok from the POTUS to do whatever it takes to manipulate the PM markets.Just like they have been.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:04 | 2652116 Bringin It
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POTUS don't ok shit.

But I agree otherwise.  CFTC like DOJ, like the SEC ain't gonna investigate jack.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:11 | 2649402 GMadScientist
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Just let me get a few more kilo bars at these prices before you do what you must.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:20 | 2649092 ghengis86
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It wouldn't surprise me if the Hon. John Corzine were to make a surprize appearance on the panel to question Gensler.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:20 | 2649095 marz929
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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:38 | 2649213 Temporalist
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Who is Brooksley Born?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:22 | 2649097 Lost Wages
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Where is Gensler? All I see is a greasy little weasel reading off a sheet of paper.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:00 | 2649604 krispkritter
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Reminds me of that old Foghorn Leghorn short, Weasel While You Work.

"What you want is a chicken, R-A-T, chicken!"

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:22 | 2649103 Fish Gone Bad
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When an empire collapses, the treasure is sacked.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:23 | 2649112 lizzy36
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Twenty years!

Twenty years PFG faked bank statements.

Like Madoff, until CEO confessed CFTC was none the wiser.

Everything is just self-interested noise until regulators are fired and Gensler resign's (should be fired for cause).


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:26 | 2649132 Joe Davola
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Sometimes you can miss alot by not lookin'

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:41 | 2649239 Ignatius J Reilly
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up arrow once and rollin on the floor.


now that's funny.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:56 | 2649318 lizzy36
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Still laughing.....great comment ;)

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:07 | 2649382 Ignatius J Reilly
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"we've tried nuthin and we're all out of ideas."

-Ned Flander's father

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:45 | 2649542 JR
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“We run heedlessly into the abyss after putting something in front of us to stop us from seeing it.”  --Blaise Pascal, Pensées

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:23 | 2649115 jjsilver
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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:24 | 2649116 ThunderingTurd
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My pretty...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:24 | 2649120 MsCreant
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What a rat faced fucker, wow. Someone draw some whiskers on that and you will see what I mean.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:29 | 2649151 fuu
Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:37 | 2649208 MsCreant
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LMAO. Thank you fuu, it shows what I mean perfectly.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:43 | 2649253 mick_richfield
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I see what you mean.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:28 | 2649469 PrDtR
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WHO cares what the guy looks like.. he should be fired.. more OBAMA allies left to ROT the system from inside!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:27 | 2649138 SilverTard
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The Honorable Gary Gensler?

This is any different from

The Honorable Charles Manson


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:44 | 2649258 Dr. Richard Head
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Ol' Charlie never had the blessings of the authorities.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:28 | 2649145 semperfi
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C (riminal) F (inancial) T (errorism) C (ommission)

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:33 | 2649177 JenkinsLane
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Gary Gensler is a shill cunt.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:33 | 2649183 Temporalist
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My question is: are gold and silver both going to be capped at the $1600 and $27 points again?  Looks damned close.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:34 | 2649189 youngman
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It goes on and on and liar after another...and its all "wink wink"..the politicans need the TV time to look like they are DOING SOMEHING....but its business as usual once the TV´s are turned save the world we need to change...but we never will..its not in our genes

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:35 | 2649193 cranky-old-geezer
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And people STILL wana keep assets in a brokerage account?

(P.S.  Your 401k is a brokerage account too.)

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:41 | 2649232 MsCreant
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At least we have not heard about funds vaporized in FDIC banks, just yet...

The whole thing is a typo, you know:

brokerage account = broke rage account.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:38 | 2649219 Atlantis Consigliore
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CORZINE FOUND, !   Corzine on the end,  ....


we re working very hard to find the stolen lost vaporized money;  trust us;

dont leave, WAIT, where are you going?   we re the only fraud in town,


where??? GOLD  delivery.....but buty but!!!! you re our customers and our friends...


BEND OVER AGAIN...  we ll be gentle this time.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:39 | 2649229 DosZap
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No they will not be capped, when the run away from the USD, and treasuries and bonds starts, they will not be able to stop it,period.Already other Soverigns are buying less, and dumping dollars,and loading up on ngold esp, and silver while the fiat price is being held down.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:41 | 2649241 Temporalist
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I guess that was a reply to me?  I just meant was a sardonic remark I was making.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:12 | 2649400 cranky-old-geezer
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when the run away from the USD, and treasuries and bonds starts

Yes, that's when their USD ponzi scheme finally comes crashing down.

USD is nothing but a ponzi scheme now, fueled by false confidence maintained with propoganda from a captured media.

But other nations aren't fooled.  They see what's coming, and they're quietly moving away from the US dollar.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:41 | 2649238 ziggy59
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Honorable... Lmao

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:48 | 2649274 Everybodys All ...
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Where is the outrage? I'm waiting for someone to rush up and punch the guy in the face. How much money are these guys going to steal before someone does something meaningful to the criminals.

Sadly ... it will not happen and the guy gets back in his limo unscathed yet again.


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:50 | 2649289 jeff314
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so many Hebrew among them...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:10 | 2649392 MsCreant
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For Jewish folks out there, not all of us think this anti-jewish crap is okay. What is happening is not about race, ethnicity, or religion. I am sorry you come to this site day after day and see this crap. I am ashamed at times. Black, white, yellow, brown, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Atheist, we are all being hurt by this. The Jew bashing does not provide a useful "explanation" nor information to act on regarding the state of the economy. All it does is divide us.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:11 | 2649399 lotsoffun
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it's unfortunate.  but.  have you got stats to disprove this?


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:23 | 2649449 MsCreant
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To disprove what?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:03 | 2649545 francis_sawyer
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Unfortunately ~ I don't see a parade of Muslims lined up, every day, in the media jerking each other off because they happen to "control the nation's money & care not who makes it's laws"... They don't even believe in a usury system... Either that, or they're too busy cooking up nanothermite cocktails from caves in Tora Bora & taking flying lessons... Oh wait!

& furthermore ~ here I find myself apparently 'defending' Muslims & I'm not even one of them, don't really understand the nuances of their faith, & don't hang out with any... So please tell me where my blind hatred is rooted?... Answer: there is none... All I do is look around and see that... What bad thing has a scary Muslim ever done to me?... Nothing... They leave me alone & I leave them alone... We're all happy in the end... Now on the other hand... With the "ones who control a nations money supply & care not who makes it's laws", I have a problem... Because as much as I try to pretend they don't exist, they're stepping on my neck every single fucking day (or at least trying to)...


Look, I'm not trying to throw gasoline on the fire here (& I'm sure ANY group would have it's fair share of a55holes)... It just seems like these lads do it as a profession, in bulk, (& seem to rather like it)...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:05 | 2649632 MsCreant
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Hey francis!

Thanks for stopping to ask me.

BTW, did not do the red arrow thing.

Let's say every last one of them were Jewish, for the sake of discussion (I know you know that is not true, if we wanted to be more accurate overgeneralizing bashers we would just go after white men).

1. Should we then blame all Jews for the state of the economy (or all white men)?

2. If this is the case, how are we better informed regarding our course of action? This is the one I get hung up on, "So what?"

For me, the Jew thing is another distraction. Add in that people come to this website and read all this hatred in the comments section, I wonder how many don't stay to hang around and talk because they see this site as backwards?

Let me be clear, I am for freedom of speech. I want folks who blame the Jews to be free to say it. That is much more sane than censoring it. It is one of the things that makes ZH precious. But I am free to say I think the folks who do this are falling for another bull shit trap.


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:31 | 2649756 blunderdog
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    Add in that people come to this website and read all this hatred in the comments section, I wonder how many don't stay to hang around and talk because they see this site as backwards?

Fuckin-A bravo well-said +10

It's not the SITE that's backwards.  It's some of the regulars. 

I do think, however, that anyone who would rather not be reminded of bigoted assholes of every stripe mostly won't have much use for the news being reported, either. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:37 | 2649763 francis_sawyer
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You have valid points (whiich would probably stand up well 'technically' if, say, this were a court of law that were determining an outcome)...

All I can say is, on this one (at least for me), it has to simply pass the test of what your senses tell you (IOW ~ It's gotta pass the 'smell' test)... I can tell you for sure that I wasn't BORN with any natural hatred towards anyone... I pretty much was in a melting pot from the beginning... Any BIAS that I have subsequently developed has done so because I enjoy soaking in history...

I'll give you a perfect example (not 'race' related ~ but a good analogy)... I lived in Italy for 12 years... I was living there when 9/11 happened... The only communication (in English ~ even tho I spoke Italian) was via the media outlets (CNN, CNBC, & FOX) because I had satellite... RAI & Mediaset [the Italian channels] never gave the event much more than it's usual coverage, instead, they kept on with their basic 'T&A' shows... I even broke up with my Italian girlfriend at the time because she couldn't understand what I was so obcessed about... Naturally ~ I bought the whole story hook, line, & sinker... It was OBL, & 'terrists' who were responsible, & moreover, we needed to go out there and get those guys... I remember sitting in bars having beers with other Italians (who looked at the thing, initially, with skepticism)... I argued with them for hours upon hours (& never changed my opinion)... A few years later, I returned to the US... Somewhere (I don't remember when), I started looking into all the material that began to show up that pointed to the fact that the "911 Report" was a bunch of baloney (& that the real story is still being hidden)... I've come 180 degrees around & am firmly in that camp now...

The reason I say this to demonstrate that I really don't have a rigid bias towards things (as long as I'm presented with reasonable evidence)... In the case of the Jews... Throughout recorded history there have been accounts which have labeled them as troublemakers... Naturally ~ I don't think each one INVIDIDUALLY is a troublemaker (& there have been further attempts to take a scalpel to the situation to section off the so call "bad ones" & call them ZIONISTS & what not)... Novels could be written about this shit which I don't have time for...

In the end, I stand where I stand (until proven wrong)... I appreciate the more delicate point you bring up about potentially "scaring off" any passersby to ZH (where their delicate little emotions will be hurt if some thread descends into racial profiling)... I hate to say it, but, THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM... My POV is that if they don't have a thick enough skin to be able to handle that (or even toss in a word or two ~ as you're doing here)... Then guess what? They're not going to make it in the end...

If they want to tap out... Let 'em tap out... There are plenty of other blogs out there where there is a PAID FOR moderator who will be happy to tell them what & what not to think...


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:56 | 2649841 francis_sawyer
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Here's a 'hypothetical' situation (which I realize are kind of ridiculous, but I don't kno any other way of expressing it)... So let's call it a "thought experiment"


The Olympics start this Friday (July 27)...

It has been reported that Bob Costas (of NBC) is going to go out of his way to do a special 'rememberance' of the Israeli athletes who were killed in at the '72 Munich Games... Why?... ask yourself "why"... The London Organizing committee has no plans to make any special tributes of that kind (nor have any been made at ANY of either the Montreal, Moscow, Los Angeles, Seoul, Barcelona, Atlanta (where there was also a terrorist attack that killed 2), Sydney, Athens, or Beijing games... Bob Costas? (WTF)?

Now the reason I mention this, is that there have been tons of things flying around the internet for more than a year now about various terror threats to the London Games (some quite specific)... An Israeli security firm is in charge of security...

In any case, as a thought experiment, I point out these two instances because they have direct relation to one another... It is quite clear that Washington & Tel Aviv are salivating for a war with Iran (& the most obvious staging ground would be a "false flag' type attack staged in London [which mirrors 9/11, Pearl Harbor, or many other what have been discovered as false flags in the past])...

Frankly ~ with all the publicity, I don't think something like that would be very easy to hide (IOW ~ a watched pot never boils), but you never know...

So the bottom line is... A person like myself can't help but ask himself... DAILY... why a culture who controls most media & banking, & whose fingerprints can even be laid at the doorstep of false flags, should be trusted... That doesn't make me want to run out & start spray painting swastikas everywhere... But I do feel I have the right to quietly dissent from my keyboard...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:55 | 2650036 JR
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This is incredibly pertinent and goes beyond hypothetical, of course, because we are dealing with real world issues cloaked in the most frightening shadows of censorship, hypocrisy and outright lies.

As evidence, your points could not be made by a U.S. public official, movie star, or journalist without severe criticism and, if at all possible, punishment.

Heads up, MsCreant: this is a free speech issue. :-)

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:48 | 2649945 i-dog
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Francis & Missy:

Those of us who have dug deeper into the annals of history, to determine the background to 9-11, have a different view to both of you. (BTW, I was a relatively firm believer in the official story of 9-11 until just 6 years ago).

To us, it is not an issue of "the Jews" ... because the religious and sephardic jews are being persecuted just as inhumanely as the Palestinians in Israel itself. Rabbis are being executed, and not by the ragheads, either.

The problem is an ideology that had its warmongering and elitist roots in Khazakstan 4,000 years ago, but blossomed into a schism in the Jewish religion itself while the Israelites were in captivity in Babylon 2,500 years ago. It was the split into into the Kabbalist Pharisees (ideology of rule by a self-appointed intellectual elite) and the Sadducees (ideology of rule by hereditary or "divine" right of priests and kings). (BTW, it was the Pharisee money-changers that Jesus drove out of the temple ... according to the Bible, that is).

That ideological split has been carried all the way through the Egyptian New Kingdom, Roman Times, the Dark Ages, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment and the Modern Era -- by the Kabbalists that go under such names as the Alumbrado (in pre-Inquisition Spain), the Jesuits (in post-Inquisition Spain), the Illuminati (in 18th century Germany, then elsewhere), higher-degree Freemasonry (after the Illuminati takeover of Masonry), the Zionists (in late-19th century Europe) and now, the steering committees of the Bilderbergers, Trilaterals, CFR, etc.

All that while, the tradition of hereditary rule by monarchs and an aristocracy of blood has been challenged in the background by those who believe the planet should be ruled by the "smartest in the room". The politics of that struggle has been the cause of most, if not all, wars of the past 500 years - including the American and French Revolutions - and possibly longer.

It is not for me to say which is preferable, since I'm an anarchist who rejects rule by either of them!

Now, for at least the past 120 years, the Jesuits-Zionists have gained the upper hand in the upper levels of world governance and have been using their banking and political clout to engineer the final imposition of what they now call the New World Order: their rule of the entire planet by "the smartest guys in the room" - who believe they know better what we want and they're going to plan our lives for us, in intimate detail.

Some think that Jesuits are just Roman Catholics ... they are not - they are a 'sect' of Khazarian root stock with an ideology that is totally at odds with what most of us (whether Catholic or not) perceive as Roman Catholicism.

Some think that Zionists are just Jews ... they are not - they are a 'sect' of Khazarian root stock with an ideology that is totally at odds with the Jews that follow the Torah and their rabbis.

I could write a book on it, but this summary should suffice:

Jesuits = Zionists = Khazarians = an ideology of intellectual elitism that is totally at odds with freedom of choice and free will.

Hating the Jews, or Catholics, or Muslims, or blacks, or bankers, or politicians, is exactly what they want you to be distracted into ... while they continue to build their "full spectrum dominance control grid". They've nearly completed it while you've all being arguing about who is the racist!!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 14:36 | 2650184 MsCreant
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I certainly force myself to keep an open mind, but I do have reservations about the idea of a generations long fight for power/conspiracy. In the everyday lived world, these things are too hard to keep going and carry out. At the level of lived experience, daily, mutations, warps of interpretations, or just choices that occur based on whims or feelings of inadequacy would thwart the kind of thing you speak of. Kids rebell against their parents. My kid is a straight as an arrow Dudly Do Right. I am fortunate because he causes me few troubles, but as a result he lacks compassion for folks who do make bad choices. I know some of it is a way for him to make a break with me, his mom, the Ms.Creant. Bottom line, I did not plan it, he just turned out that way. 

I see what has happened with my son (he is like me and not, in ways I could have never called) and multiply that through billions of lives that impact billions of other lives, and aside from "culture" (which changes and warps constantly) I can't see the kind of thing you are talking about being sustainable.

I likes da i-dog and I know you hear where I am coming from. 

We agree that there is an upper class that feels entitled to take whatever they can get away with. We agree that this upper class loves it when we fight each other over the scraps, and look to divide us and distract us at every turn. 

That's a whole lot to agree on!

But those things have to do with enacting roles positioned within a social structure, not a big plan being executed, or a fight for power being waged against us.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:44 | 2650003 JR
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“For me, the Jew thing is another distraction.” --MsCreant

MsCreant, let’s not beat around the bush. The American economy and its political system are under the direct control of an international banking cartel. This cartel has three outstanding features:

1)      It completely controls the money supply, its value, and who receives it and who doesn’t.

2)      The criminal fiat money system finances, supports and operates wars on sovereign countries that are enemies of the state of Israel, and not the U.S.

3)      The cartel has positioned itself in almost all key aspects of the financial system with certain racial members, not Christians, not Muslims, not Irishmen, not Italians, but, guess what, primarily Jews.

Now the loss of my country, to me, is more than a distraction, and if that is hatred, then I just frankly hate to lose something so valuable as freedom.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 14:22 | 2650133 MsCreant
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Hi JR,

Given your observations, I will bring to you revised versions of the questions I brought to Mr. Sawyer:

1. Do you blame all Jews then for the loss of your country? Does that honestly seem fair?

2. Do you blame Jews for the loss of freedom that we are experiencing? Does this seem fair?

3. If you can look in the mirror and squarely blame Jews and know it is right and true to do so, what course of action is suggested for us based on this knowledge?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 14:58 | 2650292 JR
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Hi, MsCreant. Thanks for your reply.

Do I blame all Jews?  No.

I blame the Jews who, working together in the cartel and even as U.S. citizens, have as their priority the interests of a foreign nation and a racial loyalty rising above America’s interests.

As to the third question, I repeat, I blame the Jews who are using the Fed in opposition to the domestic and foreign policy needs of our nation. A solution to this crisis would be the dissolution of their primary base of operations, the Federal Reserve System, and indictments for those individuals who have sold out American citizens and their country. Since supporters of the “American Empire” claim that we are at war…the war against terrorism…the charges can run to treason.

Their overriding crimes have been to circumvent America’s representative government, denying through a corrupted two-party system America’s chance to have a government of the people.

As you can readily see, this is not anti-Semitism for not all Jews are involved; I am anti-criminal activity when it threatens freedom.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:15 | 2650329 strannick
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+ M.C. Your teaching basic logic and civility.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 18:33 | 2651153 4horse
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in this case, 1rish, only ever 1 at a time







which is how you meet people. greet people. know people: 1 at a time

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:22 | 2651641 blunderdog
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    I blame the Jews who, working together in the cartel...

That's all well and good, but you might reserve some of that blame for the Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and atheists who are working toward the same goal.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 02:20 | 2652202 Bringin It
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Ms Creany, first of all, blaming a Jew does not, should not, lead to the reflexive response your making about blaming all the Jews.  Next, you raise an important point.

2. If this is the case, how are we better informed regarding our course of action? This is the one I get hung up on, "So what?"

So I'll give you so what - Motive.

Is there a connection between our financial problems and our foreign policy?  200% there is.  Google PNAC, the Zionist road map to all our recent engagements in the ME.  These wars have been the final act to Corzine our nation's wealth.  Cui bono?  Having adversaries smashed left, right and center by the biggest thug on the block has helped who?  It was not the American people.  I can assure you of that.  Then you have this false guilt thrown at you to shut you up.  Most fold at this point, failing to fully consider the implications of things like dual-passports.

Every Jew is not a crook and every crook is not a Jew, but that's the kind of nonsense mea culpa your suppossed to make when pointing out that Jews are very prominent in positions of power, steering society, the economy and the ship of state, while all three apear to be circling the comode. 

Look Netanyahu Mocking US Video Airs On Israeli TV
Netanyahu: "I know what America is. America is a thing you can move
very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in the way."

How does he know this??? There's your "so what".  This warmonger, maniac thinks he owns your ass.  How could he believe such a thing?  Why does he get $5B from us every year that we have to borrow from the Chinese?  Jews can talk about all this stuff, especially Israelis in my experience.  In the West, this has become some kind of third rail propping up the smoke and mirrors, ... accomplishing the task of ... making you shut up.

Please don't equate critisism of the cabal with attacks on Jews in general.  Many Jews verbally attack the cabal.  I think you are inadvertently helping with the program if you blur this distinction.

On the other hand, thanks for broaching the subject and providing the opportunity to clear some air.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 02:45 | 2652208 Bringin It
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Another example - On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told Peres;
"Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

I'm sorry MsCreant.  I find that pretty offensive.  I find myself offering resistance to the desturction of my country.  Yes it takes your N. Pelosi, H. Reid, Dubya, Cheney, Clinton(s), etc. but they all seem to have one thing in common.  They all get up and go for the same paymasters.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 09:54 | 2652922 MsCreant
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I'll say this, I don't like what is happening to the Palestinians--at all. It is a crime. I know many Jews who hate it too, even some who live in Israel. Clearly their leader is a nut job and has to have nut jobs (with money and power) supporting him to vote him in. I am always interested in your posts. I appreciate what you had to share and will keep it in mind. 

So much of the time you just see anti-jew one liners in the comments section that make none of the distinctions you speak of, all they do is serve to denigrate ALL JEWS. That, I will speak out against.

To sum up, I run the risk of being too reductionist by shutting down the Jew bashing without looking at what truths might lie under it.

But many folks here are too reductionist when they post random anti-jew comments which, in a blanket like way, condemn all Jews.

We are dealing with shades of grey here. No formulas, we must see individuals and react to individuals.

Thanks for stopping to comment.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 21:49 | 2655314 Bringin It
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MsC -I agree random anti-jew comments are not helpful.  I just don't see the plague of random anti-jew comments you're talking about.  You know it's common for those who don't share your opinion re. the condition of the Palestinians to label anything critical as anti-semetic.  Which is very twisted IMO.  Especially in light of the fact that the Palestinians are the Semetics.

No formulas, we must see individuals and react to individuals.  You're saying no ethnic profiling.  You want to see ethnic profiling, try crossing from the W. Bank into Israel.  Try boarding El Al.

Jews like everybody else are part of the one big human family.  OK?  Sometimes families have quarrels. 

We're all getting rightly upset at the people controlling our economy and enriching themselves at our expense.  Well surprise surprise, the same people that have captured the regulators run our foreign policy.  I mean a bought politician is a bought politician.  They don't specialize and say for example "I only rollover on financial regulation."  No, when they sell out, everything's on the table.  So, there is a connection you're not supposed to notice or talk about between our corrupt, misallocating, malfunctioning economy and our wars of crimminal aggression in the ME.  Americans are increasingly unhappy with the way the economy and our foreign policy are being run.  Let's call them the money power is calling the shots in both cases.  Remember - money became protected speech in America.  Financial looting in the US enables Israeli aggression and aggression on behalf of the entity.  Look at the Netanyahoo and Sharon quotes.  Do you think Loyd gives to AIPAC?  There is an ethnic agenda that intends you to play the part of pawn and serf and you can not talk about it.  Anybody who denies this, please explain for me what Bebe and Sharon are talking about.

In many ways, the prole Jews are just used as cover and wind up experiencing the brunt of the repercussions.  So who is doing who a favor by keeping quiet?

Many people need to delude themselves.

Sometimes now you see people complain about public employee unions funding the campaigns of the politicians who will then throw them some cheese.  Have American taxpayers unwittingly financed the hostile take over of their own government via wealth transfers to Israel?

On the other hand anybody who runs around saying 'kill the Jews' is demented, but lighten up.  Who's doing that?  OK, Sasha Cohen says throw the Jew down the well and everybody thinks it's funny.  But other than Sasha who?    

Re. the plague of random anti-jew comments (TPRAJC), there is strannick's comment immeadiately following saying at this time

#comment-2650319 'That Jewish people arent human I guess? (careful with the double negative).'.  WTF? I'm sure he's being sarcastic or out of context because it's a question and he's go that reference to some double negative up thread.  I hope so anyways.

OK, other than Sasha and strannick?

Finally, I always enjoy reading your posts.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 20:45 | 2658385 lotsoffun
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some of my best friends are jews!  i live in a big city.  i even know some ..... people.

let's drop that.

are there a lot of 'afro-americans' (i'm old, is it ok to use that term?) in the NBA in the USA.

is the number of 'afro-americans' in the USA a disproportionate (for all of you affirmative action and equal opp. people) to the actual USA population?  isn't it time that the NBA starts to hire some outsiders?

i think i'm tired of kindergarten.  mscreant - the world is beautiful.  all is love.  everyone is equal  in gods eye. (ooops.  or goddess).  the problem is, god and goddess really have better things to do then watch after each of 6 billion people.


Fri, 07/27/2012 - 20:39 | 2658373 lotsoffun
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it's NOT a distraction.  it's the nonsense of 'political correctness'.  and 'profiling' and all the rest.  so, please excuse me while i rob your purse and your wallet.  because everyone is equal and everyone is beautiful, and we and i would never personally do anything to possbily hurt you, and how could you DARE accuse me of taking advantage of you, simply because i wanted to advance myself, and the my family, and then the religion and the tribe and the people closest to me.  over your advancement. 

if i close my eyes, does the world still exist?  are the really people in china?  or is this all my dream?

reality is a btch.  the veil of maya exists for thousands of years in indian culture.  and few want to venture a peek.


just saying :)


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:05 | 2650319 strannick
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That Jewish people arent human I guess? (careful with the double negative).

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 20:32 | 2658367 lotsoffun
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that the jewish people haven't got a disproprotionate representation in the WESTERN world financial industry.

it all goes back to middle ages laws on usury and it take a very long time for things to actually 'change'.  despite 'hope'.


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:51 | 2649569 lizzy36
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Concur 1000%

Brilliant comment. Thank you!

Keeping people divided by race, sex, religion, political affliation has always been the goal of the status quo. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:55 | 2649589 francis_sawyer
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I got news for you... The ONLY division that matters is the 1% versus the 99%... Remove that ~ & the rest will dissolve away rather easily...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:39 | 2649787 fuu
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"The best thing that could happen would be a return to the DARK AGES followed by a rebirth (with their 'shill' asses firmly contained within REASONABLE measures of economic & public opinion formulating demographics instead of the minority over-representation dynamic that they presently enjoy & are more than happy to pollute the world with)."

STFU Francis you fucking asshole.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:54 | 2650031 francis_sawyer
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OK... Only your enlightened POV shall be heard... See ~ the world's healing already!... Can't you feel it?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 14:09 | 2650081 fuu
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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:24 | 2650912 4horse
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enlightened POV . . .


. . . unheard of : 5W & how, UU, who's shut The Last Lion

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 03:35 | 2652242 Bringin It
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Francis - You're doing a great job against impossible odds.  Thanks for the links.  Like this paid-shill one.

You mentioned you lived in Italy for 12 years.  We have in common that I have been out of the Homeland off and on for many years and so we must have missed some of the programming to fog the mind of the herd.

For what it's worth - Not too long ago, I was trekking in the Himalaya during a Jewish holiday.  As a result, many Israelis were doing the same route at the same time and over the course of two weeks, we kept meeting up with groups of them in the evenings and talking.  I was told things like -they're just another people born under a corrupt government they can't do anything about and they expressed worry and concern about 'American boys' dying for their national issues and how the natural resentment generated could be bad news for them in the future.

In America, the proles are remarkably well trained to self-censor.  Too funny in the Land of the Free.


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:31 | 2650940 4horse
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Keeping people divided who Who WHO ffalsesplits/dialectic/schizophrenic THE NEWS? just who's got The Juice

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:25 | 2649459 Umh
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Do you actually do any research or do you just assume that anyone with a name that sounds German to you is hiding a Jewish person.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:54 | 2649535 jeff314
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another one who will take a plane to Tel-Aviv a soon a the real shit happend


by the way my grand parent when to germany in ww2 to kill a few german to deliver jewish people and he was proud to do it... so show a little respect

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:58 | 2649306 alarm bell
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At least I can agree with one thing.  There are many tools in the toolbox!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:56 | 2649320 PMakoi
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LMAO, Gensler is trying to argue a defense that they have to follow legal statutes, and that the statutes conflict, or are too hard to exercise because of conflicts!!  CFTC is inept at protecting investors, but very well able to protect the crooks that steal!!


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:05 | 2649363 Downtoolong
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explain why the CFTC should exist at all


Because, the big banks and their trading divisions, which dominate and manipulate the commodities futures markets, particularly oil, and PMs need a public forum to occasionally explain to everyone how these markets are grossly overregulated and certainly don’t need any more regulations. If we didn’t have the CFTC operating on the public dole under the guise of a regulator, the banks would have to pay for their own forum themselves. The only reason they would ever want to do that is to make sure no one ever even breathes a whisper about position limits in commodity futures markets. But, if recent history is any indication, they don’t need to worry about the CFTC doing that either.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:10 | 2649393 Quinvarius
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I think you just explained Congress too.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:05 | 2649370 Quinvarius
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I wonder if this dude is self deluded enough to go out in public.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:20 | 2649431 lotsoffun
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no.  they know exactly what they are doing.  bernake does also.

obama doesn't.  but he is the puppet

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 18:40 | 2651185 4horse
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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:05 | 2649371 surfersd
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Use to work for Corzine. Enough said.



Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:05 | 2649372 Jim B
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Arrest Fraudzine! 


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:07 | 2649379 The Count
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Uh Hello?! Who still does not get that the entire system is a sham...from the FED to the B of E and everything in between. The douchebags we see and hear about, the Genslers and the Bernankes, are only front men however.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:13 | 2649410 yogibear
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Banksters the money is all there for you to take. Nobody BIG goes to jail for stealing anymore. Just play dumb, like Jon Corzine.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:20 | 2649432 Dingleberry
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We all know this will happen when YOUR money gets stolen, don't come bitching to us.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:21 | 2649436 ItsEvolutionBaby
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So when exactly are people going to start dropping these people?

Nothing else appears to be working. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:22 | 2649440 Seasmoke
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a picture is worth a thousand words....

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:32 | 2649490 GolfHatesMe
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Varifying Balances?   What are you speaking about? 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:34 | 2649503 GolfHatesMe
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Yes, we were attempting to deceive the regulators. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:53 | 2649575 Questan1913
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This is the face of our Masters.  SO soft spoken and SO NICE..........How could this NICE man not be what he appears to be?  And he is obviously Loved, SO MUCH, by his questioners our true and impeccable representatives, tirelessly working night and day only to benefit US, and never a thought for themselves.  All my doubts have been dissolved.  Everything is GOOD, and i FEEL. SO. SOOTHED! 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:53 | 2649579 Goldtoothchimp09
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I'd sure like to know what Hon.  stands for?!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 17:03 | 2650822 smiler03
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Theiving Scumbag

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:08 | 2649585 GoinFawr
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At least, after what seems like weeks of circumlocution packed into a single morning, the elegant Ms. Schmidt asked a real question:

'Mr. Gensler, doesn't the buck on this stop with you?' (paraphrased)

which was brazenly evaded by the embedded ratboy; I suppose because everyone already knows the answer to that one anyway.


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:27 | 2649735 blunderdog
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Well, he DID say the laws are designed for self-regulation.  That's pretty clear, coming from a weasel.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 11:59 | 2649600 dcb
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with all due respect to the man, often the rules he wants are over ruled, he wanted stronger position limits, etc. the second thing is that he has complained they are starving him of the funds the agency needs to do the job

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:03 | 2649616 blunderdog
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What a weasel-lookin guy.  How can we be SURE he's the "Honorable" anything?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:16 | 2649683 markar
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Nosferatu speaks!


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:22 | 2649719 paint it red ca...
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after looking at that the Rodeo song came to mind

I'm a one ball man and I dont give a fuck.

It's off to the rodeo.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:28 | 2649744 belogical
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Honorable is not how I would describe anyone on the CFTC

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:37 | 2649780 Paracelsus
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They weren't even trying......They didn't care....

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 12:54 | 2649799 GoinFawr
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Oh heck, thanks for clearing that up Mr. Heck, I was so confused before; farmers simply aren't currently paying enough in fees to keep their segregated accounts actually segregated...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:11 | 2649907 Atlantis Consigliore
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Did I do that?????   Did I do That???


we re regulators, but Did I poop that?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 13:34 | 2649975 Joebloinvestor
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How come he didn't recuse himself from this meeting?



Wed, 07/25/2012 - 15:48 | 2650512 Self Trader
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Honorable = Jew

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