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Geopolitical Risk Is Back As Libya And Israel Make Headlines

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As if the global liquidity crunch was not bad enough (as we enter a vacation sleepy week, the key report on Monday will be the ECB's bond purchase update for last week - we estimate another E30 billion in secondary market monetizations, in addition to how many banks pulled dollars from the ECB in the 7 day liquidity providing operation on Wednesday as occurred first last week), geopolitical risk is back after headlines from both Libya and Israel indicate that the Levant region is on the verge of systemic instability once again. The first two stories put Israel smack in the middle of the Middle East action. First is Egypt, which earlier "said Saturday it would withdraw its ambassador from Israel, insisting the killing of five Egyptian security personnel while Israeli forces pursued gunmen across the border was a breach of its 1979 peace treaty with the Jewish state." Complicating matters is the announcement out of Iran, via AP, that "two American men arrested more than two years ago while hiking along the Iraq-Iran border have been sentenced to eight years in prison on charges that include espionage, state TV reported Saturday, a sharp blow to hopes their release was imminent. The announcement seemed to send a hard-line message from Iran's judiciary — which answers directly to the ruling clerics — weeks after the country's foreign minister suggested that the trial of Shane Bauer and Josh Fattal could clear the way for their freedom. It also was likely to raise speculation about Iran using the Americans as political bargaining chips and could bring added tensions to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's expected visit to New York next month." The cherry on top is late news out of Libya that the local rebel movement may be making headway (since denied by the government) in taking over Tripoli. Net result will be even more instability in the crude market which has been expected to drop courtesy of the recent spike in deflationary expectations. Alas, when geopolitics enters the equation, the only certain thing is a surge in uncertainty. That this will likely not benefit global equity markets goes without question.

Here is Reuters on the latest in the snafu between Israel and Egypt - a development that will certainly not hurt the political standing of the Muslim Brotherhood:

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Israel regretted the Egyptian deaths, which followed attacks in its border area that had killed eight people and sparked the most serious crisis in ties with Egypt since Hosni Mubarak's overthrow in February.


"We hope that the ambassador will not be recalled," said Yigal Palmor, an Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman. "He's still here."


Egypt's Foreign Ministry later called in the Israeli charge d'affairs, delivered a protest and demanded a joint investigation into the deaths, the state MENA news agency said.


It said the Israeli diplomat told Egyptian officials he had been asked by his government to read Barak's statement at the Foreign Ministry. The agency said the charge d'affairs was summoned because the Israeli ambassador was not in Cairo.


The Egyptian cabinet decision followed a crisis meeting attended by army generals and intelligence chief Murad Muwafi.


Egypt "lays on Israel the political and legal responsibility for this incident, which constitutes a breach of the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel," the cabinet said in an official statement posted on its website.


"The cabinet committee has decided to withdraw the Egyptian ambassador in Israel until the result of investigations by the Israeli authorities is provided and an apology from the Israeli leadership over the hasty and regrettable statements about Egypt is given," the cabinet statement said.

As for Libya, reports are very much conflicting: per CNN.

Libyan rebels have taken their fight inside Tripoli, home to embattled leader Moammar Gadhafi, a rebel spokesman said late Saturday.


"The revolution from inside Tripoli has officially started (Saturday) evening in many parts ... of Tripoli, and is expected to spread to all of Tripoli," said Jumma Ibrahim, a rebel spokesman from the western mountain region around Zintan.


But speaking a short time later, just before midnight in Tripoli, government spokesman Musa Ibrahim insisted that all is safe and well. He said that the Libyan capital remains under government control.


Heavy clashes broke out Saturday night in at least one Tripoli neighborhood, marked by intense gunfire, explosions and people screaming as they ran through the street, a resident told CNN.


Gunfire and explosions have become normal occurrences in Tripoli, but CNN personnel on the ground for weeks report that the fighting appeared to be among the most intense yet.

In the meantime, Reuters refutes the rebel position:

Small groups of armed rebels infiltrated the Libyan capital but have been dealt with and the city is safe, a spokesman for Muammar Gaddafi's government said on Saturday.


The spokesman, Moussa Ibrahim, said on state television that among the rebels arrested were Algerians, Tunisians and Egyptians.


Heavy gunfire broke out late on Saturday in Tripoli, which is encircled by rebel forces, and residents said anti-Gaddafi protesters were in the streets in several districts.

However events pan out, that this is happening 24 hours before FX markets open once again, just as the US is on the verge of another bear market, and many expect yet another major announcement out of the Fed w/r/t FX swap lines to sooth European liquidity concerns, this is hardly the upside case bulls were expecting.

As for the bears case, here is the latest positioning of US naval assets globally, courtesy of Stratfor. And please- nobody note that the US now has two aircraft carriers in the South China sea following the recent surge in jawboning between the two nations, even as Biden is currently in China . This is purely coincidental, even though Joe Biden is currently in China, reassuring the country "that the US is solvent."


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Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:22 | 1582152 Earl of Chiswick
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Gaddafi Leaves Libya?


Twitter #Libya

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:22 | 1582167 spiral_eyes
Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:24 | 1582282 Ahmeexnal
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Libya's gold has been shipped out already. NATO thugs will never get their hands on that gold.

Nice try JPig. Better luck next time.

Hey Blythe, Buggo Chavez called. He wants his gold back. Beeyotch!

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 02:57 | 1583040 Spirit Of Truth
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The proper hedge may be guns, butter, and getting right with God.  

Appearances are deceiving in Mideast geopolitics.  Most think the Egyptian uprising was spontaneous, yet somehow, on Jan 23rd,  the Iranians announced that naval vessels would head for the Mediterranean Sea for the first time since the '79 revolution 2 DAYS BEFORE the Egyptian uprising began.  The Iranian warships passed through the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean a week after Mubarak was deposed in a major provocation vis-a-vis Israel.  It's widely believed that Mubarak would never have allowed those Iranian warships to pass through the Suez Canal, so how did the Iranians know the Egyptian ruler would be out of their way beforehand?

The Spirit Of Truth Blog: Why do you fail to heed me?

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 06:12 | 1583107 slewie the pi-rat
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"It's widely believed that Mubarak would never have allowed those Iranian warships to pass through the Suez Canal..."

really, 0 spirit?  are ya sure it wasn't widely believed that ISRAEL wouldn't let them go thru the canal?  or the US?  and on what grounds would they or anyone deny this?  why was it "allowed" to happen?  oh, yes, mubarak wasn't there to stop it, thaaaat's riiiiight!  when exactly, did mubarak ever say that iran or anybody else couldn't come thru the canal?  huh?


or stink?

now whether the egyptian "uprising" was this-or-that is another question, entirely, it would seem.  but i'm not positive how you know what mubarak thought about this?  apparently, you have "figured this out" but to me it seems maybe you are over-emphasizing egypt's "power" over the canal while de-emphasizing israel's "power" at the time in the area.  and, no mention of the US, for some reason

if you want to think that this would not have happened if mubarak had still been in power, i certainly wouldn't want to try to change your thinking

you seem to have a LOT invested in this, 0 spirit of truth;  why would any sane person dare to challenge your opinion?

howzabout something that proves that you are right?  a statement from mubarak, any time in the last 5 years, for example.  or in january.  or february. before he was deposed and it was "safe" for iran to do this, ok?

and, if it was such a horrible, horrible thing, b/c it was awful, awful iran, then why didn't somebody stop this?  oh, thaaaat's riiiight...mubarak was no longer around to take care of iran for everybody

okey dokey, if you say so.  after all, you are the spirit of truth.  just look at your name, and your picture, and blog name.  must be true, eh?

hey, i'm from missouri.  show me just a wee bit more here, ok, 0 spirit?  thanks in advance!

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 09:34 | 1583239 JW n FL
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YA'LL Better Leave Slewie ALONE!!

He will gun You Down!!


Sun, 08/21/2011 - 09:40 | 1583245 BandGap
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Ass clown. Egypt runs the canal, how the fuck is anyone but Egypt supposed to block Iran's move? Egypt has not allowed an Iranian warship the use of the canal in over 30 years, that much is known.

You make statements and then fail to provide links, but hey, you throw rocks too.  I guess it's one opinion vs. another. What have you figured out, genius?

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:17 | 1582153 Spastica Rex
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An Israel thread. Popcorn in hand.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:48 | 1582208 mess nonster
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Everyone studiously avoiding the subject...

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:25 | 1582420 Michael
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Except Ron Paul. He indicated in an interview for the forth time the other day, Israel has 300 nukes.

Asked if he would step in to help Israel if Iran attacked them with a nuke, Dr Paul said No, doesn't think Iranians are suicidal, and doesn't think they want their country wiped off the map in a counterattack.  He also said Israel has 300 nukes and can take care of themselves.

This is the main reason Paul is being snubbed by the Jewish owned MSM.


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:39 | 1582680 Mister Minsk
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Maybe someone should audit Dimona.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:43 | 1582686 Jack Napier
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Yet the controlled opposition media on Comedy Central is always sure to point out how Dr. Paul is snubbed by the 'mass media' even though that's what they are. Nevermind that his wife and daughters are in the masonic order. He still has your best interests at heart, now go back to sleep.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 23:19 | 1582767 Hephasteus
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Oh look. It's one of thoese double reverse brilliant mind fuckers. Get a fucking job and get a fucking life.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 23:24 | 1582777 indygo55
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Ummm,,, Freemasons are men only.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 03:08 | 1583045 natty light
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Haha maybe they are Eastern Star, or Job's Daughters.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 12:40 | 1583467 sun tzu
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Don't expect the stus quo fuckheads to tell the truth

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 22:45 | 1584839 GeoffreyT
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Not so, indygo55 - although I hesitate to get too flamey because it depends critically on what you mean by 'Freemason'.

I'm a member of five masonic orders that are men-only, two that are mixed, and a few others that make no mention of gender (but to the best of my knowledge have never had a female member or candidate).

If you mean the Blue Lodge old-men's-clubs, then yes, those are men only. But beyond that, all bets are off - especially outside the US system (all the interesting stuff happens otuside the US - atheist lodges, anarchist lodges, anti-Catholic lodges, Jooze-only lodges... fun and games beyond the wildest speculation of the tut-tutters).


Expect Us. Fraternally (lol)

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 23:23 | 1584919 Michael
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GeoffreyT, I just don't get why all those people love playing Dungeons & Dragons so much?

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 00:50 | 1582920 vast-dom
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hey douchbag stop with your anti-semitic vitriol. 


and ron paul stated he doesn't care if Iran gets nukes which is NUTS!


go back to the KKK forum!

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 00:55 | 1582924 dogbreath
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even with nukes iran is a rhesus monkey in a world of steroid injecting 800 pound gorrilas

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 05:14 | 1583091 JOYFUL
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you own dat forum...have done since Pike brought BnaiBrith sponsored Masonic shit mainstream circa 1870's

Why would informed folk go there?  

your assumption of goy stupidity is....

stale dated. we slow...but we do learn...

as for y-all- "tricks" just keep gettin harder to find!?!

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:59 | 1584559 Michael
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New campaign slogan;

Go fuck yourself, I'm voting for Ron Paul.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 01:16 | 1582945 joak
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Ron Paul is the only one having guts. How long until he is accused of "antisemitism" ? BTW I also suspect Tyler too, what is he suggesting ? That Israel did anything wrong ? How the chosen people could do that ? You are all antisemitic !!!!

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 15:01 | 1583755 Rick64
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When facts show Israel in a negative light then it equals ani-semitism it doesn't matter if its true or not. This has been one of their major defense mechanisms.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 21:07 | 1584585 Michael
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Always playing the victim rent seekers. This documentary tells you everything about it you need to know.

True Stories-Defamation


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:54 | 1582223 Judge Holden
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It is pretty suspicious that this whole thing went down right as Israelis are in full scale revolt against their own government.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:46 | 1582344 Bob
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Quite odd. 

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:28 | 1582438 CClarity
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I suppose the French influence on NATO could be intending to distract from unfolding banking crisis in France.  Italians too, for that matter. 

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:43 | 1582483 FalseConsciousness
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AT THE beginning of the week, Binyamin Netanyahu was desperately looking for a way out of an escalating internal crisis. The social protest movement was gathering momentum and posing a growing danger to his government.

The struggle was going on, but the protest had already made a huge difference. The whole content of the public discourse had changed beyond recognition.

Social ideas were taking over, pushing aside the hackneyed talk about “security”. TV talk show panels, previously full of used generals, were now packed with social workers and professors of economics. One of the consequences was that women were also much more prominent.

And then it happened. A small extremist Islamist group in the Gaza Strip sent a detachment into the Egyptian Sinai desert, from where it easily crossed the undefended Israeli border and created havoc. Several fighters (or terrorists, depends who is talking) succeeded in killing eight Israeli soldiers and civilians, before some of them were killed. Another four of their comrades were killed on the Egyptian side of the border. The aim seems to have been to capture another Israeli soldier, to strengthen the case for a prisoner exchange on their terms.

In a jiffy, the economics professors vanished from the TV screens, and their place was taken by the old gang of exes – ex-generals, ex-secret-service chiefs, ex-policemen, all male, of course, accompanied by their entourage of obsequious military correspondents and far-right politicians.

With a sigh of relief, Netanyahu returned to his usual stance. Here he was, surrounded by generals, the he-man, the resolute fighter, the Defender of Israel.

* * *

IT WAS, for him and his government, an incredible stroke of luck.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:59 | 1582505 JR
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It happens too much, that Israel has a border dispute just when it needs evidence of unrest to oppose a Palestinian State. It’s getting just a little bit too convenient, just a little too hard to believe…  I think Counterpunch, however, overdramatized how the civil protests have been overshadowed by the military events. The civil protests are definitely still on the front burner, IMO.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 01:58 | 1583000 Randy Kruger
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Off with the over-complicated conspiracy theories.  Israel doesn't need to fabricate incidents, nor does it need to prove anything to any nitwits out there.  As a matter of fact, if Israelis were as "civilized" as some of their degenerate neighbors, they would have settled Judea and Samaria a long time ago and kicked all the Arabs into Jordan and Syria.  The fact that it didn't is not a sign of weakness but of a pluralistic society.  Many an Arab gets confused over this.

Ron Paul is right in a sense that Israel has puchased insurance against loose opportunists such as Hitler was, or Ahmedinajad is.   Iran will not want to commit suicide, nor will anyone else.  It is also insured from any consequences of any toothless vitriol that it pouring upon it, for noone in this world can now conceivably kill Jews without having to face very dire consequences. 


Sun, 08/21/2011 - 10:04 | 1583267 redcorona
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+1 for excellent hasbara.  You guys can spin ANYTHING.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 15:04 | 1583762 Rick64
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Sun, 08/21/2011 - 11:48 | 1583380 disabledvet
Sun, 08/21/2011 - 16:29 | 1583914 I Told YOU So
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at Kruger: what a fucking moronic convolute piece of shit writing, 

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 06:35 | 1583115 slewie the pi-rat
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very popular post, f_c!  here's uri's "bio" from the article you pasted:  Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is a contributor to CounterPunch's book The Politics of Anti-Semitism.

here is the blurb on the book:  The Politics of Anti-Semitism, edited by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair, confronts how the slur of "anti-semite" has been used to intimidate critics of Israel's abuse of Palestinians. It includes essays by Uri Avnery, Edward Said, Michael Neumann and Bill and Kathy Christison and more.

we could write our own book about how "anti-semite" is used on zH to intimidate anyone who criticizes israel about almost anything!  i've heard that in france, it is illegal to be "anti-semitic" in speech;  a crime!  i don't know if that is true or just a zH "rumor" 

do you?

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 09:13 | 1583222 Oh regional Indian
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Denying the Hollow-cost is punishable with strict prison time, poor to no legal representation (due to the nature of evidence you MAY present in your defense of such a claim) in Germany/France and many other "Free" nations.

Eli was not a Weisel but a weasal and Anne Frank was a fantasy figment of some jewish propagandists imagination.

Here is a good example. The british revisionist historian, portly fellow, I forget his name has been fighting this battle for over a decade at least (how long I've known about it), I think his name is David Irwing?

unnyways, yes. Bad news all around.

Vivek (ORI)

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 23:16 | 1584884 GeoffreyT
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@slewie - I can confirm from personal experience that there is a crime in France (two actually) called 'negationnisme' and 'anti-semitisme'; I was investigated for both (they're a twofer if you say antyhing remotely doubting the Holocaust) following a post in which I said that it was tyrannical to have laws criminalising opinions of any sort and that if the political class promulgates a law declaring some or other field of inquiry off-limits, I will always be on the other side of the barricades.

Then my passport was 'lost', and I was put into the delightful concentration camp at Lyon (the 'centre de retention administrative') for visa infringement (not having a passport... lol).

I was there for two weeks and then flown back to Straya at the expense of the Frog taxpayer, with 4 Frog pigs accompanying me to Bangkok - total cost, roughly 1 year of their retirement income.

Funnily enough, if I wanted to turn around and go straight back the same day, I could have - there was no 'interdiction du territoire'.


And here's a link to the offending post (hint: don't mention Yakov Wilkomerski's false Holocaust narrative in France, unless you're defending it).


The bit that got me in trouble is the following few paras:

"The imprisonment of this Toben fellow for challenging politically-mandated facts, should serve as a reminder to everybody that the "law" is nothing more than the codification of the opinions of a bunch of corrupt politicians, backed up by the threat of violent force (the state-sanctioned armed goons who get all twitchy if their families are threatened, but whose job is to rip families apart on some politician's say-so – usually for something that involves no harm to anybody). And let's ignore the historical irony… Moses leads a campaign of pillage and genocide from Egypt all the way to the Levant, and thirty centuries later folks who think of his story as their cultural foundation myth, are cryng foul about mass killings.

As I've said many times, I have no idea whether or not the Kraut government (another pack of politicians) had a policy of systematic annihilation of some or other set of whackballs who believed in a 3000-year old fairy tale of genocide, ethnic cleansing and rapine (and whose political leadership had declared war on Germany in 1933).

For the sake of argument, let's say it actually did happen. 

Well, apart from the bits that have been shown to be bullshit, like the 'riveting first person account' of Jacob Wilkomerski… and the 'I was raised by wolves' of the latest fraud, and the 'soap from human fat' rubbish, and the 'electrified floor that completely evaporated a thousand people at a time' fiction, and the people who apparently survived being gassed six times, and the ethnically-coloured smoke from crematorium chimneys.

We can't be expected to believe those – and it's hard to imagine that there  could be legal sanctions for pointing out that they are bullshit. We will likewise overlook the photos that were retouched to add smoke, and we will forget about the absolutely scary fuel requirements to cremate all the evidence. We will accept that the Germans chose the most inefficient means of annihilation imaginable (so 'German efficiency' goes in the bin as a myth, alongside 'US military dominance' and 'French culinary supremacy'). 

Now think about this: questioning any of those things would currently be illegal under French, German, British, Australian law, had they not already been exposed as fabrications. What does that mean forother parts of the narrative that have yet to be properly investigated?

But let's say that everything that has not yet been shown to be bullshit, did in fact happen. 

So what? It proves that a government that gained power through a perfectly normal democratic process, can and will do heinous things to self-declared internal enemies. Few people recall that nasty old Adolf rose to power by forming a coalition with another party after an election.  People forget that every action of the German government was legal under German law at the time (this is now the 'Bush/Ashcroft/Rumsfeld,/Kissinger/Cheney defence').

So politicians routinely kill people, and try to provide themselves with legal cover to do so – where's the surprise? 

And when politicians kill people they are too gutless to actually get their hands dirty, so they use goon squads. Again – where's the news?"


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:39 | 1585627 DOT
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How dare you challenge the supremacy of French Cuisine !

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 01:48 | 1582984 Randy Kruger
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You don't know what you're talking about.  Eating MSM bullshit, selectively it seems,  as it suits your biases.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 21:35 | 1632959 Judge Holden
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Yes, governments never amplify foreign threats to distract from domestic failures (eye-roll).

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:01 | 1582238 pesamystik
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A cross border tit for tat hardly equates with any real risk. What is Egypt really going to do? Nothing short of cutting Natural Gas.

Plus, Gaddafi being taken out probably reduces risk in the short-term. As long as the West controls the rebels and gets Libya's oil, then in the long-term it will also reduce risk. 

I personally feel that going in Libya was ridiculous, and completely unconstitutional. But the rules don't apply, only power does.

I wouldn't be surprised if we decided to blow up Syria next.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:23 | 1582426 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, and Saudi Arabia will be the last.  Got oil?!

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:34 | 1582449 macholatte
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As long as the West controls the rebels and gets Libya's oil,

Don't bet on that outcome. The West has a great track record of wasting massive amounts of resources and people liberating third world deadbeats and getting nothing but grief in return. Case in point: Kuwait. What did that cost the USA and what did we get back?  The so called rebels are Muslim fanatics, uncontrollable and unpredictable and in the pocket of Iran (See Egypt). So it's going to be a really big surprise when they give America and the EU the finger after they take over. Another loser. 

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
Douglas Adams

As I have said for many years throughout this land, we're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to burn it in ways that destroy the future of human civilization. Every bit of that has to change.
Al Gore

China gets their oil from Libya. Why isn't China involved? They're going out spending billions of dollars a day on trying to take over the world economically. And we're spending billions and billions and billions of dollars on policing the world. Why isn't China involved with Libya? That - we don't get oil from Libya, China does.
Donald Trump


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:48 | 1582488 snowball777
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Libya's oil exports by country:

US: 3%

UK: 4%

Greece: 5%

Spain: 10%

Germany: 10%

China: 11%

Other: 14%

France: 15%

Italy: 28%

Or put another way:

Zooropa: 72%

China: 11%

Other: 17%

Or put another way:

Western world: 89%

China: 11%


Yet another reason that fucking retarded, multiply-bankrupt asshat with a bad toupee should STFU and stick to fondling stupid girls at Miss Dumbass USA "Pageants".

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 00:57 | 1582926 sitenine
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You would expect Donald Trump to be right?

The Douglas Adams quote is spot on though.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 08:48 | 1583207 snowball777
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Agreed on Adams. No, I wouldn't expect anyone who refers to himself in the 3rd person to be right about much, but I wouldn't expect someone to quote such an assclown either.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 09:53 | 1583258 JW n FL
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world:

the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.

Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.


A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.


George Bernard Shaw


Martyrdom is the only way in which a man can become famous without ability.


George Bernard Shaw



You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, 'Why not?'



George Bernard Shaw




Sun, 08/21/2011 - 10:13 | 1583275 falak pema
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Arms and the MAn...oH Raina! 

The guy got a Nobel and an Oscar and founded the Fabians and the London school of Economics. Some cultural iconoclast. definitely leftist and latch onto your theme of "why not?"... another trailblazer, antarctic navigator, called his boat 'Le Pourquoi-Pas'.

great minds...

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:32 | 1582311 Bob
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I grimaced at the thought when I saw the headline, but that was funny!

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:21 | 1582164 salimmk
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Ahmadinejad is coming to New York next month? I doubt it.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:23 | 1582168 Ray1968
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Here's an idea... let's invite him to the US, then when he gets here..... we just arrest him and put him in GITMO.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:27 | 1582177 buzzsaw99
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Bush II better stay home from now one in that case.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:30 | 1582186 Ray1968
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Yeah, I don't think W is leaving Texas any time soon.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:50 | 1582216 Pure Evil
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And to think all this happened just when Odumber went on vacation.

Oh, the humanity!

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:57 | 1582230 redpill
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I actually love it when he goes on vacation, because it means he's not doing something that I probably vehemently disagree with.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 21:53 | 1582608 b-rad-is-rad
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Haven't you heard?


It's a "working vacation."


He is most definitely doing something that will piss you (and me) off.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 23:28 | 1582781 indygo55
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Seems he never has and probably never will. Except that quick little trip to Toronto a while back. About three hours outside the US with an army of secret service. Wouldn't be the same in say,,,Belgium or France. Cheney too.



Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:50 | 1582215 Judge Holden
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I'd assume he's coming for a UN function (in which case we'd have to let him in as you probably know.)

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:21 | 1582422 Tuco Benedicto ...
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If he comes to New York, say on 9-11, what a perfect time for a false flag to be blamed on Iran just as the Japanese ambassador was in WDC at the time of TORA, TORA, TORA!

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 16:48 | 1583771 Rick64
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I heard he is going to rape a maid.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:22 | 1582165 Cman5000
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Add Syria to the list and Turkey is having a party in Northern Iraq ...

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:16 | 1582209 sitenine
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I kept expecting the author to bring those up.  Most notably, Syria - I mean, really, who cares about the Kurdish rebels?  No oil, no power, not going to receive meaningful support of any kind, even though we still have troops occupying the country (actually, isn't that just a tad embarrassing? - huh).  Both events further demonstrate the instability argument.  Thank you for bringing them up.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:37 | 1582323 Optimusprime
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Actually, Israel/Mossad is giving significant aid to the Kurds, which is one of the points of tension between Israel and Turkey.  It is not simply the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara. 


It is indeed a complex situation.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 15:51 | 1587308 Use of Weapons
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If you wanted to get to the bottom of Turkey / Israel's issues, you should pull up the UN data on water supplies, look at Turkey's dam building and the extent of pollution [high tech industry + waste] that goes from Israel into Syria. If you can't stomach large dry reports, there was a good documentary over the pollution made a few years ago - bottom line is that Palestine grabs are often about water access, not so much lebensraum.


Water is a serious security issue in MENA, and Turkey holds a large spigot - many sources list it as the highest chance of unfettered warfare in the region.


Hydraulic despotism: central control of an essential energy such as water, electricity, fuel, medicines, melange . . . Obey the central controlling power or the energy is shut off and you die!

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:25 | 1582172 Cassandra Syndrome
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Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:28 | 1582179 buzzsaw99
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Let Darwin have his due in the hiker case. I couldn't care less.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:49 | 1582196 dwdollar
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Haha...  I don't know what's dumber.  Them out 'enjoying a nice day in Iraq on the border of Iran' or them being US assets and using that as their excuse.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:07 | 1582258 sun tzu
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Who wouldn't go on a hike in Iraq during a war? They are just innocent Americans being oppressed by imperialist Iran

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:20 | 1582276 Earl of Chiswick
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Iraq can be quite magnificent in the summer, not too dissimilar from hiking on Mt Desert island in Maine, save for the proximity of great bars, seafood and of course the refreshing breezes from across Frenchman's bay. Hate to say but the dudes look like freshly minted spooks recruited from a good school with the promise of a life of glam and skin.

Maybe they saw this advert:

(be sure to delete your LSOs after viewing)


and instead what they get is midnight express

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:23 | 1582293 sun tzu
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Which leads back to the point of - who wouldn't want to take a hike in Iraq during a war? Especially if you're an American.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 15:14 | 1583778 Rick64
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And accidently wander across the border. 

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:29 | 1582180 escargot
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Anyone got a strainer to sift some truth from the general disinformation?

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:48 | 1582210 Smiddywesson
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I spent the first half of my life studying history and politics.  With a 40 minute commute into Washington D.C. that turned into a 90 minute commute, I started to study the markets.  I didn't know that this hobby would lead me full circle and conclusively prove that all politics is bullshit.  So I don't really care if Iranian leaders are coming to the USA or if the Palestinian government is recognized.  I don't care anymore.  Worrying about politics is like an AIDS victim worrying about their complexion.  It took a lot of hard work, study, and thought to realize that it's all about money, just money.  And of course, there was ZeroHedge to guide me along the way.

I want to thank all the Tylers, yes I have a pretty good idea who you are, and we have added a few recently, haven't we  ?????  Thank you to all the Tylers for your hard work, insight, and patience with us as we try to piece together how things really work.  I especially want to thank the readers who throw out the craziest thing they can think of and those who seriously consider that in the world of money, anything is possible, and we are blind unless we consider everything.


"Nine out of ten conspiracy theories are false.  However, nine out of ten conspiracy theories about money are true.  In an efficient market, the only easy money available is to form a conspiracy.  That's why you will never, ever, have an efficient market."  - Smiddywesson, sipping chardonay, as usual

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:03 | 1582246 Sean7k
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You were doing pretty good Smiddy and then you had to ruin it- "sipping chardonnay, as usual". Real conspiracy theorists drink chateaunuef du pape.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:16 | 1582271 Cleanclog
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Real conspiracy theorists drink Meritage - as it is mixed stuff.  

That or "Plavac Mali", that stingy Croatian grape that means "Little Blue".  Catchy, eh? Or Grk and Prc as the mystery is Where Are the Vowels and how does one pronounce these wines?

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:55 | 1582363 tip e. canoe
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real conspiracy theorists drink anything in the fucking cabinet at the time, but never forget to save the bottle of Absinthe for just the right moment.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:55 | 1582366 e_goldstein
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You sure they don't drink Chateau Mouton Rothschilde? 


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:47 | 1582698 snowball777
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You've mistaken the theorists for the conspiracists. Those outside the inner circle drink $2 Chuck.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 06:36 | 1583116 falak pema
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chateauneuf du pape is Syrah...see above, my post.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:30 | 1582443 sschu
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that it's all about money, just money

Yes, for many it is about money.  But for real evil it is about power.  Money often begets power, but in the end power is the ultimate elixir.  Hitler is the classic example, he cared little for money, power was what he craved.

Above all else, men desire power.  Power gives man the ability to play God.  When this type takes control, then look out.



Sun, 08/21/2011 - 16:35 | 1583923 I Told YOU So
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hitler  was a roth/zionist puppet, as are all western "leaders"

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 23:05 | 1582746 macholatte
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It took a lot of hard work, study, and thought to realize that it's all about money, just money.

Overcoming the denial is very dificult. It's the energy that it takes to deny a belief system, to alter your mind set completely after the total brain washing and conditioning of 20, 30, 40 years. Once you get passed that point, the other side can be quite frightening. But there is no going back. When I had my epipheny I broke out into a cold sweat. Not just a litle moisture on the upper lip either. I was sweating scared. The world is a different place now and i am often sorry I didn't just keep my eyes closed.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 08:38 | 1583201 pazmaker
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Good Post macho and Smiddy too! The world indeed is a different place when you break through the farce and lossen the chains... It became depressing for me..mainly because see all those around me and those whom I love still buying into the lie walking around blindly. Those who have money often have power to go with it and those who have power often have money.. Peace

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 03:51 | 1583068 tired1
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I've had a simlar awakenng.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 06:02 | 1583103 falak pema
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That Chardonnay Sir, if you want to learn about its true origins, please read what is below. It will tell you how it grew  initially in Holy Land and became the 'sacred wine of sacristy' during the Latran III papal conclave in 1179, before being imported into France by the descendants of the original vineyard owner. As did the Syrah vine from Cyprus, a mythical transfuge of vines from Shiraz many centuries earlier, brought also to France subsequently circa 1278 as was the Chardonnay.

Heady stuff, mixing history and legend!

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 07:29 | 1583151 slewie the pi-rat
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L0L!!!   Falakpema is an international traveller and business executive with multicultural roots. His personal experience has given him a vivid insight into the working mind of those who currently rule the world as harbingers of a new world order that transfers inordinate riches to a new global oligarchy at the expense of the silent majority of middle-class people, the very backbone of democratic society. A new form of feudalism, moving force of global, transnational, financial power-play, makes historic reference to that bygone age appear very relevant to understanding current times.

you put this up @ 6AM!!!

you certainly fooled me!  i thought you were nuts!  how could you be?  you wrote a book!  and pretty much "mainstream" zH thinking too.  what a surprise! 

now, is the stuff about the wine history, legend, or something you "mixed" to make it "heady"? or can't you tell, anymore?  so, you have a 2011 website and people can e-mail you, too.  if they wish...

the tale you tell will be recalled by "recurrent generations" and remembered everywhere by young and old alike of all origins, see:  Recurrent  generations will recall Pech Souleila, a tale that shall be remembered everywhere by young and old alike, of all origins.  it says so, in plain english, right there on your website!

this is why you're here!  to sell books and make sure everybody gets the correct myth.  or else!  hahahahahahahahaha!  how orthodox of you! 

i prefer samurai.  that's "bad" right?  i suuuure fukin hope so, shitforbrains!  what about the iroquis?  the sioux?  what if someone has the wrong myth or (gasp) no myth at all?  hopefully, you wouldn't feel compelled to destroy the fukers and call them "torquemada" due to the simple fact that they obviously could care less about the bullshit you "believe"~~~your orthodoxy, the only "true" myth! the torquemada projection, revealed!  hahahaha!

oh!  how threatening slewie must be to you, toy-boy!  if people from zH send you e-mails you can maybe get them to help you "get slewie" 'cause you don't have a snowball's (sorry 777) chance in hell of doing it by yerself do, ya?  huh?

you my BiCh, BiCh!

you think people reading from top to bottom can't see the fuking time stamps?  hahahahahaha! 

slewie out.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 08:20 | 1583188 falak pema
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I finished writing the book after I joined ZH. Also 6 am your time is 12 md-day my time. Thanks for the free publicity. Writing and blogging are not incompatible. I do both. 

Your obssessive mirror gazing has made you  paranoid. Keep looking hard at yourself. You are your own worst enemy. But that takes a dose of wisdom to figure out

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 15:28 | 1583802 Rick64
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this is why you're here! to sell books and make sure everybody gets the correct myth.

Strange because I have never heard him try and sell his book.  Is it wrong of him to offer his opinion or inform us his website, email, or even a book he has written? I think not unless he includes this info in most of his comments.  Congratulations to him, and thanks to you for letting us know.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 14:15 | 1583673 11b40
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from Smiddy: "and we are blind unless we consider everything."

Could not help recalling this quick little perception test.  Give it a try.  Takes only a minute.
Here is a little wager.  Most of you will fail.


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:48 | 1582212 Use of Weapons
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Look at it this way - in the last two weeks, the Libyan rebels have had about $350 mil gifted to them via seized assets1 [Ok - NO-ONE FUCKING MENTION HOW ILLEGAL THIS IS TO THE U.N., hmm, ok?] with a lot of S.A.S & others looking on in total unbelief at the way things have gone. Bear in mind, the creator of Restrepo was killed by a fucking friendly fire team [the Brits are not happy - and if you check out the guys' CV, he was a) one excellent bastard photographer but also b) worked in every important hotspot in the last 10 years. You do the math on that one, and look at his funeral list. He was valued.].

Syria - we already had the lesbian blogger spook with Marine contacts, which ironically managed to fuck the entire chain up. Hint boys - it took less than 3 weeks of Eygpt and the total fucking bastard you backed in power [er, head torturer? nice move]. I have to say, Mother got me on this one, and I had real hope for about a week when it all started, as I imagined that someone somewhere had some real balls, and was going to... aaaand its gone. Syria is up for a change, but only after the genuine rebels get slaughtered, they learnt from Egypt that real democracy can't be trusted [and thus.. Israel.. Egypt... 5 border police hit by a gunship, 300,000 protestors forgotten.., qu'ell surprise]. Here's the major lesson - when creating fantasy, either be fucking Disney good at faking it, or risk ruining it permanently. Mother has had the latter.

Turkey - Iran / Syria gas & oil lines are being bombed regular now. Take your guess at the whose'who of culprits. Turkey is bombing Kurds because they don't need an excuse, nor do the Kurds need one to kill off lone security patrols.


And so on.





Mr Snail. Even asking that question is a false dichotomy. When the WH fakes pictures of Bin Laden's OP room [hand to mouth Hilary, faker than bad pr0n] do you expect the MSM coverage to be better? If you want the truth, join the agency. Or stop fishing.




  • 1. That's publically released - German, Dutch, and then the undocumented stuff
Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:58 | 1582359 tip e. canoe
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U forgot to leave off the last R, C.  great article.

one would think that after 3K years +++ of finding new & ingenious ways of destroying the Other, someone somewhere would finally get tired of this shit.

waiting for the day when a rose is just a rose again....maybe next lifetime, yes?

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:02 | 1582377 Use of Weapons
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Uff... and passed again, too quickly. Most wouldn't have even sensed the missing R.


Switching to medium armaments due to quality of opposition ( :p )


p.s. Do a grep - you have a message waiting on your doors of perception post [HeroMyNouse Boss!]

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:45 | 1582450 tip e. canoe
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those videos make me wish my crak'd modul8 was still up & running, would love to do a mash of Heaven & Hell.  and since we're on the subject of Egypt, mysteries still remain:

had hopes that week in question that maybe some of them would finally be revealed to the mass, but alas gatekeepers die hard with their 9 lives.

p.s. saw the post, but needed the extra clue just now to fully decypher, merci for unlockin the noggin.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 20:57 | 1584531 Use of Weapons
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I'm ashamed to say - basic triple layer reference, which you were spot on with your link (very well played on that btw - art brut has signifier meaning, nailed it straight away):

Names of songs ("Ship of Fools" and "The Garden of Earthly Delights")-> Western Art both done by 15/16th century artist Hieronymus Bosch (who has his own resonances & connections); comedy was basic pun on the name, given that Bosch is "pronounced Boss in Middle Dutch" with the nice modern meme usage ('Like a Boss' being current Anon slang). Thus the link back with modern video artist using pre-war (WWI French) artist.

Shared themes for all of them - Christianity & themes of Heaven & Hell (thus prior link), and Western civilisation, the death of which we're documenting.

Tied back into 60's revolution with The Doors (of perception, Huxley :p ) meeting The United States of America (our crux point) with the signature third eye visuals within the video, and counter-point lyrics of:

Poisonous gardens, lethal and sweet,
Venomous blossoms
Choleric fruit, deadly to eat.
Violet nightshades, innocent bloom,
Omnivourous orchids
Cautiously wait, hungrily loom
You will find them in her eyes,
In her eyes, in her eyes.
Petrified willows, twisted and brown
Carrion swallows
Wait in the wet darkening room
Withering shadows, quietly grow
Potently breeding
Into a spectacular glow.
You will find them in her eyes,
In her eyes, in her eyes.
Lemonous petals, dissident play,
Tasting of ergot,
Dancing by night, dying by day.
Blackening mushrooms drink in the rain,
Sinister nightblooms
Wilt with the dawn's welcoming pain.
You will find them in her eyes,
In her eyes, in her eyes.


A bit crude, but I was working on a tight time budget (15 mins) given you got the R link immediately. And, I have to say - such immediacy humbles me, and forces quick hack-n-slash responses, so I apologise for the crudity.  The added bonus wink was that art brut, and Lesage ("The Sage") has been linked to mental illness (schizoid) which commonly creates linkages of meaning where none exist - the wink being that modern crypto can link anything meaning wise (title of the essay, as you spotted!) and that all of this was neatly tied together, thus dodging claims of non-meaning, and madness, thus squashing an irksome viewer [traced].


I apologise for the explanation, one has to document these chains sometimes just for shits n giggles (and not for your benefit - for the tracers) ;)



Mon, 08/22/2011 - 08:34 | 1585410 tip e. canoe
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excellent lil' rhizomatic 101 primer there.  didn't know 'like a Boss' was Anon slang -- have been maintaining a healthy distance until now, tho m/b it's 'just time' to engage a bit deeper.  real nice to have you around to play D&G(1) games with C (aka UofW), seems we're sympatico on the DMSR tip.

"There isn't the slightest operation, the slightest industrial or financial mechanism that does not reveal the dementia of the capitalist machine and the pathological character of its rationality (not at all a false rationality, but a true rationality of *this* pathology, of *this madness*, for the machine does work, be sure of it). There is no danger of this machine going mad, it has been mad from the beginning and that's where its rationality comes from." 

(1) NOT Dolce & Gabbana for those playing at home.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 17:02 | 1587620 Use of Weapons
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Fair warning - Anon has a lot of heat, and many of the actors within the multiplicity are not who they appear.Condoms of the extra thick variety a minimum.


Turns out even crowd sourcing produces arborescent structures - rhizomes are getting nuked all too frequently.


Of course, the problem with being a Deleuzian is the pun.

Of course the problem with being a Deleuzian is the fun.



Swim safe.



Mon, 08/22/2011 - 21:52 | 1588674 tip e. canoe
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" If History IS "Time," as it claims to be, then the uprising is a moment that springs up and out of Time, violates the "law" of History. If the State IS History, as it claims to be, then the insurrection is the forbidden moment, an unforgivable denial of the dialectic--shimmying up the pole and out of the smokehole, a shaman's maneuver carried out at an "impossible angle" to the universe. History says the Revolution attains "permanence," or at least duration, while the uprising is "temporary." In this sense an uprising is like a "peak experience" as opposed to the standard of "ordinary" consciousness and experience. Like festivals, uprisings cannot happen every day--otherwise they would not be "nonordinary." But such moments of intensity give shape and meaning to the entirety of a life. The shaman returns--you can't stay up on the roof forever-- but things have changed, shifts and integrations have occurred--a difference is made. "

u too...goddess bless neoprene.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:18 | 1592583 Use of Weapons
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Hmm - Risk enabled. I might be damned for this move, if so - at least I went out authentically.

What happened to Nick Land? [snap shot of six years ago, when the cracks appeared]


Note that gold is mentioned far before our current times, and most links have ceased to exist... Mining the past, watching the futurity. [Warning: philosophers ahoy]



GlenGary noted - action accepted. Rhizomatically, not violently.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:05 | 1582248 Ahmeexnal
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Anyone got a strainer to sift some truth from the general disinformation?


It's called a brain. Sorry you were late when they were handing them out.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 08:53 | 1583211 snowball777
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Says the guy who harps on HAARP. I'm betting yours does bear a marked resemblance to a sieve indeed.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:29 | 1582182 LMAO
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"And please- nobody note that the US now has two aircraft carriers in the South China sea following the recent surge in jawboning between the two nations"

Yeah, that will sort these currency manipulators out. They are probably shitting their pants as we speak.

All in all excellent use of taxpayers money as per usual. Thanks congress and POTus for keeping us safe from, eh... uh... hmmm...., whatever.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:32 | 1582437 Smiddywesson
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The carriers near China mean to me that TPTB do not appreciate the Chinese opening their own gold exchange and telling their citizens to buy gold, or switch into gold denominated accounts, while the conspirator nations quietly buy gold, suppress the price, and keep their citizens completely in the dark about their peril.  All of the central banks started buying at the same time, and yet, gold prices have fought a rearguard action, raising margins and beating down euphoria while the central banks accumulate.  Chine knows it is about to get screwed and is not playing along with the game.  But, it is not just a game, it is the only way the current system can survive.  TPTB are like OPEC (in that OPEC members agree not to pump too much oil, while they all cheat the agreement), agreeing to kick the can and only buy so much each year.  Then along comes China and it buys as much as it likes, threatening the only way the banks and Western nations can survive, quietly buy cheap gold and ramp the price of that gold when TSHTF.  The governments of the West and the big banks are only solvent when wealth is measured in paper.  If wealth were suddenly measured in gold, they would be just fine.  That's where all of this is going.  They have no other options if they don't want to see their power taken from them.  The measuring stick of wealth will soon change, and TPTB hold the measuring stick.  China is not going to escape this scam.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 21:01 | 1582512 PaperBugsBurn
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I think China started behaving that way after the tungsten and silver theft scam the banksters pulled on them. You can just see the banksters treating the chinese like coolies. Remeber that episode when the chinese sub surfaced right next to the aircraft carrier after having gone through all the outer defenses?


Silver is the vampire bankster slayer because, yes, they do control the golden measuring stick. But it will still set them back big time.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 05:49 | 1583102 LMAO
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there are probably a 1001 reasons for the USSA to have these aircraft carriers on China's front porch and none of them are contributing to global stability or stem from reason. Common denominator is they are all aimed at blocking China's exits out of the ponzi whilst holding up appearances that China is to blame for all the financial turmoil and USSA's "soft patch", general "transitory weakness", "Food stamp records", “unemployment", the list is endless. As far as the oil game goes, I think China is the real hurdle to be taken in the US-Israeli/Iran war-games. It's just another tool in the kit trying to force China to play along. We all know where buttloads of Iranian oil are flowing to.

As to the two aircraft carriers having any effect on Chinese policy; it is just another fine example of USA's delusion of grandeur. Visions of bringing a knife to a gunfight spring to mind.


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:54 | 1582222 navy62802
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Who cares? With a stranglehold on global finance, banks presently hold global power. You can shoot guns, fire cannons, release ebola ... and the banks will still have control. Egypt vs. Israel. Sudan vs. Gabon. It doesn't matter. If you control the underlying currency, you will win either way. Our current economic system is situated in such a manner that it profits from the misery and death of others. Until we cleanse the system of this evil, we will all suffer the same fate.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:14 | 1582409 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Sun, 08/21/2011 - 15:50 | 1583837 Rick64
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The Central Bank of Libya (CBL) is 100% state owned and represents the monetary authority in The Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya and enjoys the status of autonomous corporate body.

Main functions of Central Bank of Libya are issuing and regulating currency, managing reserves of gold and foreign currencies, regulating the credit according the requirements of monetary stability and economic growth, managing state loans.

 This is the real threat. They issue their own currency and control it. No International bankers can infiltrate their system. No out of control debt and no interest payments to the international bankers. If this caught on in the ME let alone the world then it would be game over for the Bankers.  The big question is why isn't the U.S. on this type of system?

 Whats the first thing the rebels do before even ousting Ghadaffi, of course they set up a central bank. Isn't that the first thing you would want to do? Who do you think their backers are???

The rebel group known as the Transitional National Council released a statement last week announcing that they have designated the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya, and that they have appointed a governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi, according to

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:56 | 1582227 walcott
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back in the 60's and 70's egypt and Isreal were always going at it.

so what is the BFD?

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:57 | 1582233 YHC-FTSE
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That's a lot of information to digest in one sitting. If we go by what we witnessed in Egypt, the Libya situation is as predictable as a woman during her time of the month; the mere whisper of a wrong word could spell disaster for anyone close by.


As for Israel.....RT did a piece about the situation today, and they say Israel will grab any chance to sabotage the Palestinian UN vote, which makes sense. Plus the fact that ~300,000 Israelis are currently protesting on the streets (Against high prices apparently, not any moral issues with their govt), and we have the prospect of some more Palestinian kids being ripped to pieces to incite retaliation which will in turn bring the old death dance to which the answer always seems to be: The longest military occupation in modern history and more condos for the Israelis. A war with Iran, a big fat false flag op. in Tel Aviv, London, or NY, and who knows? Some peace and quiet for once, are all possible. That last one was a joke.!

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:05 | 1582249 pesamystik
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Yeah, I hope they get statehood, but I doubt it. Israel is going to pull every trick in the book, and sick AIPAC on any and all dissenters.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:10 | 1582261 Ahmeexnal
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What about US occupation of Cherokee Nation, Cree Nation, Apache Nation, Lakota Nation, Mohawk Nation and countless other formerly free and sovereign Native American nations? What about US occupation of Hawaii? Has that not been going on longer? Seems to me you are just a hipocryte nazi fucktard.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:30 | 1582305 Judge Holden
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While disgraceful, those aren't military occupations.  For example, we don't make Native Americans leaving the reservation get out while we inspect their car, build walls around their neighborhoods, conduct nightly raids, routinely drop bombs, etc.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:39 | 1582327 tip e. canoe
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"those aren't military occupations."

not any more...alcohol's a hell of a drug.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 21:36 | 1582585 Spastica Rex
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OMG. They're all pretty much already dead, actually. The occupation kinda happened a long time ago. Is that really the model you want to go with here?

Damnit. I was just going to eat popcorn and watch.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 12:51 | 1583493 sun tzu
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those aren't military occupations

That's because we've pretty much wiped them out. If the Native Americans rose up and started shooting at the US government again, then watch the military occupation reappear and conduct nightly raids and drop bombs.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:13 | 1582406 Tuco Benedicto ...
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"Manifest Destiny".  Sounds better than genocide doesn't it?

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:42 | 1582475 Hive Raid
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"Cherokee nation, Apache nation..."  You mean those cavemen running around in leather underwear, throwing sticks at animals, enslaving and torturing each other? The slightest provocation, and the Jew unleashes its hatred for the people who built this formerly great nation which welcomed him in.

Incidentally, I think most people don't actually give a crap about Palestinians. Americans are more concerned about the Jewish annexation of American banking and media, and their use of that power to destroy our country. The Jew ethnic cleansing/murder/torture of Palestinians and the general Israeli apartheid state is most significant as a brilliant display of Jew hypocrisy, considering that the Jew has saturated Western culture with anti-Western propaganda designed to induce guilt for perceived historical injustices. The people of the lie.

Israel, spinning lies faster than an Iranian centrifuge.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 02:05 | 1582881 Randy Kruger
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Hate them Jews, don't we?  Hate them Israel zionists who kill innocent Palestinians and sacrifice their children to Satan?  Well, why don't you do something about it.  The State of Israel was set up specifically to provide a homeland and protection for Jews worldwide against goat fornicators such as yourself, and its military and intelligence are entrusted to protect both Israeli and diaspora Jews against genocide, which will surely be attemted again by the above-mentioned goat fornicators.   

Good luck in your future endeavours, amigo. 

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 09:12 | 1583221 snowball777
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You now you could stop providing said goat fornicators with heaps of justification for the genocide at any time. Just like you could learn to live peacefully on the homeland that was gifted to you out from underneath its occupants at the time. without taking more territory, bulldozing neighborhoods, and dousing everyone in Gaza with WP every few months.

God used MERS for the title to the promised land...always the joker, that YHWH.

Do you clowns ever get tired of playing the victim card despite the nuclear stockpile, pre-emptive strikes, and implicit support of Uncle Sam? I swear you're like a midget who keeps picking fights in a bar then making your normal height friends defend your stupid ass.


Sun, 08/21/2011 - 10:19 | 1583285 Max Hunter
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Do you clowns ever get tired of playing the victim card despite the nuclear stockpile, pre-emptive strikes, and implicit support of Uncle Sam?

No... they don't... if it ain't broke... ??  It's simple.. The elite Jews have their boot on most people's throat, They way they keep it there is by having them convinced in someone else's boot.. preferably one of their enemies..

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 16:44 | 1583942 I Told YOU So
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Kruger: $35,000.00 for every american goes to isra-HELL, is that not enough??????? 

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 21:13 | 1584589 snowball777
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Not that I agree with giving money to thug regimes like Israel, but that'd be $11.2T; I think you may have a slipped a decimal...three places. It's more lke $9.38/yr from every American (well...more like $375 each from 1% of America and $3.75 from 95% of Americans, but I digress).

For the cost of only pennies per day, can keep an IDF enforcer shooting Palestinians.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 12:53 | 1583497 sun tzu
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Of course the leftists care about the Palestinians. It's their cause celebre

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 06:48 | 1583126 Marco
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The US was decent enough to grant citizenship to the people who's land it took.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 12:56 | 1583503 sun tzu
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After it slaughtered 90% of them. How kind of the US government

Maybe the Chinese government can kill 270 million Americans, steal all our property, then grant us Chinese citizenship. I'm sure you would be grateful if you're one of the 10% that survived.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:20 | 1582267 YHC-FTSE
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Probably why 81 American lawmakers are on vacation in Israel right now, so they can all speak from the same script when the time comes. 



US imposes News blackout on lawmakers' junkets to Israel funded by AIPAC:

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 12:56 | 1583506 sun tzu
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dead link

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 18:23 | 1584138 YHC-FTSE
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Really? It works fine with me. I'm in the UK though. Don't tell me your ISP is blocking specific news content now?


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:11 | 1582400 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Sun, 08/21/2011 - 01:41 | 1582939 Randy Kruger
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I hope you all understand that RT is the official mouthpiece of the Russian goverment oriented mainly toward the West.  As such, it is simply not neutral and therefore not credible.

The protests in TLV specifically concern the high price of housing.  There is no common theme with anything else out there, be it so-called Arab spring or the ethnic minority riots in London.  Israel still retains its communal impulses (not necessarily a negative), and the population is reacting to the government's slow response to housing shortage.  There is no shortage of land in Israel proper as such.  The shortage is a function of slow release of government-owned land to the developers, and/or insufficient rezoning of agricultural lands to residential use.  This is layered on top of strong shekel and booming liquidity.  There is no political agenda behind it; just a lot of corruption. 



Sun, 08/21/2011 - 12:59 | 1583510 sun tzu
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I hope you all understand that RT is the official mouthpiece of the Russian goverment oriented mainly toward the West.  As such, it is simply not neutral and therefore not credible.

Unlike our credible lamestream media, which tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. HAHAHAHA

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 14:37 | 1583717 Spastica Rex
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You know media is telling the truth if it's fair and balanced and has commercials for McDonalds and The Gap.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 21:15 | 1584604 snowball777
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How Freudian.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:03 | 1582247 swissaustrian
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Ok so we´ll see crude and gold shooting up, equities down.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:21 | 1582291 sun tzu
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Why would  crude and gold shoot up because Gaddhafi is ousted? The West will grab his $6 billion of gold and put it on the market and oil will flow freely once the western oil companies get better contracts with the CIA-backed rebels. Fina, BP, etal will be swimming in Libyan oil

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:10 | 1582397 Tuco Benedicto ...
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+1  Yes, we are using the "good" Al Qaeda in this ball game.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 07:15 | 1583143 swissaustrian
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We´ll soon have a war against Syria... That´s why.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 13:00 | 1583512 sun tzu
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Same as Libya situation, except Syria has little oil. We will bomb the Syrians for their own good and our CIA-back rebels will take over. More peace from the nobel peace prize president

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:15 | 1582269 falak pema
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If Q-daffy leaves libya will his Ukranian nurse come back as new Empress of new Libya?

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:17 | 1582275 caerus
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Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:18 | 1582277 falak pema
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I see the green and red arrows are back at ZH! Like the opposition is at the gates of tripoli.

When do thumbs up and thumbs down work in this Coliseum? Ave Caesar!


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:31 | 1582309 Use of Weapons
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Sigh, another faker lost in the world of Gladiator...


Thumbs up = send him to the Gods

Thumbs horizontal = back to the pits [living quarters under the arena].


So yes - thumb up/down has been ironically wrong for X years. Welcome to the head-fuck.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 23:21 | 1582771 Hephasteus
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Yes it works about as well as the 6000 years of stupid idiots trying to figure out how to control the mob. Not ever being able to recognize an impossible task.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:34 | 1582314 tip e. canoe
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as if this place couldn't get any more high school

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:22 | 1582423 TwelfthVulture
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as if this place couldn't get any more junior high school


fixed it for u

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:37 | 1582321 Cleanclog
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The arrows are back, but they don't work.  Metaphor for . . .

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:08 | 1582396 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:18 | 1582279 pan
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Mega margin hikes in gold coming...bitchez!


Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:18 | 1582280 BlackholeDivestment
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Three 7.0+ quakes today in the same area may also indicate problems on the horizon.

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