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German Opposition Threatens To Scuttle ESM, And Spanish Bailout, Ratification

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Gradually, the key open items from yesterday's Spanish bailout are getting some closure. First, we learned that Ireland, as speculated, will demand a comparable retroactive bailout renegotiation, an act which also puts the Greek elections a week from today in play. Then, we got definitive confirmation that the Spanish loan, coming at ~3% or half Spanish GGBs, is a priming loan, subordinating existing creditors. Finally, we learn that the ESM - the bailout mechanism at the heart of all current and future European bailout plans, and which still has not been ratified by Germany, is in danger of being scuttled by none other than the German opposition. The reason? According to a Reuters report, "A [Spiegel] report that German Chancellor Angela Merkel is not serious about implementing a European financial transaction tax threatens to undermine an initial deal struck last week with the opposition over the EU's planned fiscal pact... The Social Democrats (SPD) and Greens are insisting on a plan for a transaction tax and measures to boost growth."

It now appears, Merkel has been posturing on the issue which the opposition holds quite dear. However, she needs the opposition on her side to pass not only the fiscal pact but the ESM ratification, without which the entire Spanish bailout collapses: "She wants to push the pact through parliament in the next few weeks together with a bill on the new European Stability Mechanism (ESM) bailout fund which Spain may use, but needs the opposition to get the required two thirds majority." All this ignores what Die Welt reported earlier today, that "Spanish banks should come under special supervision" according to Volker Kauder, parliamentary leader of Merkel’s CDU, something which the Spain public would violently oppose. In other words: hold off on popping the Spanish bailout champagne...

Continuing with Reuters:

It would be a major embarrassment if Germany, which as euro zone paymaster dictates much of its crisis response, missed its deadline for ratification on July 1 when the ESM is due to take effect.

 

Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble tried to pressure the SPD and Greens.

 

"It would be completely irresponsible not to ratify the fiscal treaty," said Schaueble on ARD television, adding he doubted a European financial transaction tax would be introduced in this legislative term which runs until next year's elections.

 

He said on Saturday that Spain's decision to request aid made it even more important to quickly ratify the fiscal pact and ESM. Its greater flexibility makes the ESM preferable to the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) to use for Spain.

The fact is that now that Germany has pre-committed to an ESM-funded rescue, the German opposition suddenly finds itself with absolutely all the leverage. It knows very well that without its support, the ESM, the Spanish Bailout, and implicitly, the EMU itself, crumbles. Can you spell nuisance value again?

In the meantime, it seems that even if the ESM vote passes, the European banking sector will be crippled for years to come, as the gating issue is now the same transaction tax that the US and UK had been rejecting for years:

The magazine report triggered an angry response from the SPD and Greens.

 

"Ronald Pofalla's comments are a blow to the fiscal pact talks," said senior SPD member Thomas Oppermann, adding they sowed doubts as to whether the coalition really wanted a deal.

 

"We need an irreversible commitment to introduce a financial transaction tax. There will be no formulaic compromises with the SPD," he said.

In essence, a lose-lose for Europe's insolvent banks, as being forced to pay even more tax will sap already negative profits even more.

But the bigger issue for now, of course, is whether the fiscal pact, and thus the ESM, can even get the required votes.

SPD leaders stressed at the weekend that its support for the fiscal pact was not yet a done deal.

 

"Agreement with the federal states is still needed and the government has delivered little on growth and fighting youth unemployment," SPD parliamentary party leader Frank-Walter Steinmeier told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung.

 

"There must be movement on this in the coming days."

 

On Monday, Schaeuble will discuss the fiscal pact with ministers from Germany's 16 federal states and parliamentary leaders from all parties will also hold talks.

At the end of the day, what really matters is popular opinion, and needless to say, it is not supportive of what just happened.

Highlighting the domestic pressure she is under to take a tough line with struggling euro zone members, an Emnid poll for Bild am Sonntag newspaper showed 66 percent of Germans are opposed to supporting Spanish banks with German money.

And of course, there is this from May 30:

Germany's Government Still Opposes Direct ESM Aid For Banks

 

Government spokesman Steffen Seibert said at a regular press conference here that the German rejection of the idea of any direct recapitalisation of banks by the ESM "is well known."

 

The treaty creating the ESM explicitly states that the fund can only lend to governments in return for promises of reforms. The German government has stressed on numerous occasions that it insists that this passage of the treaty is respected. The treaty has yet to be ratified by most governments including Germany.

Stated otherwise, an unwind of the existing bailout framework is only one general election away, when am upstart party takes advantage of the popular anger at the Spanish bank bailout, and proceeds to undo years of Merkelian pro-Euro policies.

 


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Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment THX 1178
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Do IT. Smack this sucker down!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Fips_OnTheSpot
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Opposition will vote for ESM.. they're so "EUR(ope) is so the mighty thing we all waaaant". So they are just filling the political pot but dont hold breath for a Nay.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment knukles
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Is there an echo somewhere?

Is it really deja vu all over again?

Have we been here before?

Any new ideas, anybody?

 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment prains
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it's the speed bag effect 

 

it happens so fast and so oftens it's almost like the bag stays in one place

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment IMA5U
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Merkel gets speed bagged by Rajoy

 

 

 

.....up the p00per....

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Isn't this about the spot where some Archduke catches it or something?

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Germany will chip in.
You have to understand they are not bailing out the spanish sheeple.
Hell, they aren't even bailing out the spanish banking system.
They are bailing out the anglo-franco-german banks who are owed all that money by stupid spanish banks.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 18:02 | Link to Comment sitenine
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Silly me.  I always assumed bailout meant throwing the water overboard instead of back into the sinking ship.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 21:54 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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sitenine said:

Silly me.  I always assumed bailout meant throwing the water overboard instead of back into the sinking ship.

Plan B: drilling holes in the bottom of the sinking ship, Three Stooges style, to let the water out.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Amish Hacker
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I've been stuck in the revolving door for so long, I don't care if I end up inside or outside. Just stop revolving, already.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:19 | Link to Comment OttoMBMP
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Germany will pay, pay until the end.
Dear ZHers, do not get excited about German politicians blabla. This is only to give Germans the impression of a working democracy, with opposition and stuff. There will not be an upstart new anti-bailout party. Publicly funded violent groups in black (kind of modern SA, they call themselves Antifa) are keeping any really new political forth from taking shape. Streamlined media and an atmosphere of extreme political correctness together with official German self-hatred do the rest. German ex-EU commissioner Verheugen explained in TV that the whole EU organisation had only been necessary to protect Europe from Germany. So it was only natural that Germans had to pay in case of problems. Simply put: You are German and you don't want to pay for bailouts? - Do you want a new holocaust?! --- No, we don't want a new holocaust! We want to be nice now! So we will pay - until we are broke and the EUSSR dictatorship is irreversably established. It will not be nice, and it will be Germany's fault. What else?

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment veyron
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So i take it this is like the "Tea Party" or "Occupy Wall Street' or "Green Party" or "Libertarian Party"?

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Germany needs a Geert Wilders/Nigel Farage to say enough.  Also something like the True Finns political party in Finland.

. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Finns

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 00:56 | Link to Comment OttoMBMP
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Will not happen. (Indirectly) publicly funded violent Antifa groups and aggressive mainstream media fight down any new political movement which is not left wing.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment DutchR
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Call Starfleet command?

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:26 | Link to Comment malek
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Exactly. If anything is worth being named "posturing", it's the SPD's threat to vote against ratification of the ESM.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Germany is going to say no, they have to say no at some point better to do it now instead of waiting for Spain to end up like Greece.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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That is what beer mugs are for.

Otherwise use clubs. But first hold a Beer Garden Festival.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:42 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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More specifics , please, about the interconnectedness of all of this.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Specifically, the Opposition only need  place their feet up and let nature take its course.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Stackers
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This is getting tiresome ...........

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment q99x2
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It goes on forever but in time will play like an ochestra until it goes out with a bang. Greece was nothing to what is coming. Lies and rumors of lies and what those lies might mean if they weren't or were this that and the other because of a bailout from everyone but someone is holding out and on and on until the big poof. Could be years before a major false flag to let everyone know you better get your shit in order because war is coming.

That is how banksters do it. They think they can take over the world without war. They are wrong. 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:31 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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Bankers burn money.

Many bankers burning money makes for a good war worth fighting for.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Tell me about it. My english is only this and that so I had to look up 4 words I didn't know...

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment GtownSLV
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How can the portion of a priming "cram down" loan that subordinates existing creditors not be considered a default and trigger CDS?

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment ghengis86
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Because you are not a bank. And it's the banks that decide what triggers a credit event, and only make such decisions that are in their favor.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment knukles
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And if they decide there's a credit event, they have to write down the paper, take a charge, book a gain on the CDS and are the same one paying out the CDS.

Easier and more capital (as well as tax efficient) to just play dead.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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dead = tits up, BiCheZ!

any new ideas? 

  • raise the vig
  • lower the vig
  • all of the above
  • none of the above
  • the world is the shape of yer head, or soon will be
Sun, 06/10/2012 - 21:59 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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gig the vig
(I wonder if it tastes like chicken)

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:31 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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Fogetabutit. Spread that Vig see? Raise it some more.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:51 | Link to Comment sitenine
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The Social Democrats (SPD) and Greens are insisting on a plan for a transaction tax and measures to boost growth

Raise taxes and grow?  Seriously?  How?  These socialist fucks have no clue whatsoever.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment knukles
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Nope.

Some of my uber-liberal CA buds think that raising taxes and gubamint hiring folk and handouts is the only way to jobs, growth, yadda, yadda, yadda.  Oh, and BTW, they're the one and the same people who do not understand the math that they think they're self funding because they pay taxes.

Never-mind even trying to explain.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:19 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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it is simple relativity

this thought experiment should help:

>on the bullet train to nowhere

>nowhere comes up fast and often

welcome aboard!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 21:46 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Democracy "died" last Tuesday night in Wisconsin.  LOL!  Walker made the state of Wisc stop collecting union dues for the union.  After that happened - half of the union members quit and stopped paying the extortion to the union.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Coast Watcher
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Yeah, I read that and just shook my head. The economic ignorance is overwhelming.

 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment malek
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Who said something about raising taxes, to the extent necessary?

It's all about taking on more debt.
A/k/a money printing, as additional debt taken on at the federal level, which cannot reasonably be ever paid back, results in exactly the same as outright money printing.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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"The Social Democrats (SPD) and Greens are insisting on a plan for a transaction tax and measures to boost growth. Raise taxes and grow? Seriously? How? These socialist fucks have no clue whatsoever."

Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result = insanity. The Left doesn't learn because it can't.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment CURWAR2012
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Does Merkel have balls?

 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment WmMcK
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And if so, whose?

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment knukles
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Sarko's on the wall and Hollande's out being framed.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment IMA5U
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She has Rajoy's furry ballz in her mouth

 

 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:53 | Link to Comment timbo_em
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Don't forget about the Finns. They are going to demand collateral causing some uncertainty when it comes to negative pledge clauses.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Freddie
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Finns

 

True Finns political party rocks!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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The Russians will take care of the Finns when it's time.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment RoadKill
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NICE!

1st - let me admit that I went all in short last Friday.  So I'm prepared to be screwed tomorrow.  That's life.

BUT the one thing that makes me feel a bit better is that so many people think the Spanish Bank Bailout will engender a huge risk on day.  And when most people think one thing will happen - the opposite usually does.  This happens for a number of reasons - the primary one being that if everyone thinks something is going to happen - then they are already prepared for it.  Buy the rumor sell the news.  The other reason being - particullarly in these times of polotician BS spin - the details are usually not what the headlines seem.  So we have been told Spain has accepted a obligation free bailout, only to find out on Monday they were never offered one, and if they do get it they will subordinate all the public holders etc...

For example - most people (myself included) would have thought no one in their right mind would go into the weekend long given China economic data was destined to be a disaster (or they wouldn't have cut rates) and news out of Spain / Greece could be good or bad.  But I was wrong.  People bought the rumor.  Hopefully Monday they sell the news.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment GernB
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I agree. People bought the rumors on friday spiking the markets. The markets could still go up, but it is more likely the rumor appeared more ideal than the news revealed and could result in a negative response. On top of that, its not clear that the downturn wasnt mostly about bad US economic data, and the last two day rally was a releif rally. Plus what will affect the markets Monday is Monday's news. Its really hard to predict these things.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:31 | Link to Comment Law97
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I went short Friday as well, at least it was at the close and the day's highs.  Anyway, Friday was destined to be a -200 day but the rumor of the Spanish bank bailout turned it around +300 points.  It was a kneejerk rally based on buying the rumor before all the details became known.  That should lead to buyers remorse once realization of the details, or lack thereof, set in by Monday.  So we may only get a temporary screwing.  A +100 bounce in the morning followed by a -200 fade into the close.  There are still a lot of bulls who feel trapped who will use this little bounce to exit.  As you point out RK, the macro picture is still crap and getting worse.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:57 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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We went short as well last minute of trading on Friday.  We see this as a long-term short which we will hold through the noise tomorrow and will add even more shorts on any pop with the full cooperation of our main brokerage.  

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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I don't think it matters if you go long or short, in a game that is rigged and openly manipulated by professed liars on a daily basis it is a tall order to wind up ahead. Being right about it has nothing to do with finding a way to cash in. You are better off at the slots.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:19 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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+1 Casinos are honest fleecers.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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And sometimes you smile at the Casino.

Make sure you look like you just lost the house containing your wife and kids as you shuffle to your car. That way no one marks you as worth robbing.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Mugatu
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Everyone thinking that Europe is saved (even temporarily) is missing one big fact:

Despite any and all future rescues, Europe, Asia, India and soon America are going into recession again.  This is all just a sideshow now.  The real game is where the economy is heading.  These are just symptoms of the problem.  I intend to find a nice spot to short here in the the next week and I am playing the real game.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment optionwriter
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Help..where is the best place or platform to express the bankrupt world using cds?

Thanks

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 21:23 | Link to Comment Ookspay
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Ballot box or bullet box, depending upon your country of origin.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment GernB
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Whats amazing is they apparently cant see the connection between a financial transaction tax and growth. Correct me if im wrong, but growth requires financial transactions and a tax on them would inhibit them (or drive them underground.) Inhibiting financial transactions will hurt growth and hurt employment, the two things the proponents of the tax want. It seems to me they want an irrevocable drag on growth. Perfect.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment Omen IV
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in a hierarchy of evil  - it is the least evil compared to a income tax or VAT increase or property tax increase when the buildings are already underwater - it will do minimal damage to growth and if you combine with reduction in bank regulations as a trade with the banks,  it has a bonus  - the banks get new ways to steal everyone blind -  increasing gross profits and simultaneously lowering operating expenses from lower compliance costs, legal fees and political payoffs - government sanctioned fraud is high growth business

those of us sitting on the sidelines with cash want - chaos - that the banks will induce to the system and provide an opportunity of a lifetime as they break the bank one more time!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Marco
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Growth requires financial transactions ... playing leveraged ponzi derivative games requires orders of magnitude more financial transactions.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:55 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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Hi!  There's a bailout!  Whoopie.

Hi!  There's no bailout!  Whoopie.

Hi! Can you believe anything we say!  Whoopie.

 

Regardless of how this turns out, the credit market has just been dealt a death blow.

Who would loan any-thing?

Powerful weekend.  Massive.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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And yet a lot of people think financials will rally this week. But I don't know why they should...

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:10 | Link to Comment LeBalance
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short term there may be some nonsense.

but everyone is on the dole now, whether it is called that or not.

 

what is the model for Italy?

what is the model for France?

 

there is no "juice."

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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The Germans will cave, eventually.

 

The political pressure will be too great.  Merkel will be facing a lynch mob or impeachment if the DAX takes out last week's lows.

It's that simple.

Failure is not an option.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment sitenine
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Failure is not an option?  You think so?  Really?  What does success look like then, genius?  There is no option here.  There is no solution.  If failure is not an option, it is only because failure has already occurred!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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@Robo Unfortunately you're probably right...

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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There are no "options". It's all a spectacular failure.

But just keep bashing gold you numbskull.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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The more that goldbar gets bashed on da ben, the easier to mallable that metal into a nice shape.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Dr.Engineer
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The Germans are not stupid or the other parties are not as smart.  Their 'cave' may well be a trojan horse, judo throw.  I don't believe that they will cave unless it is in their best interest.  Germans are not weak and Merkel has more balls than a football team.

Question:  What is it that the German powers want?

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:34 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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Want?

Pass the Beer and fast Swine!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment malek
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There is no impeachment process in the German constitution.

As Merkel is a chancellor, there is however a "Konstruktives Misstrauensvotum".

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment kraschenbern
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So...The ESM will come into effect when sovereign pledges totaling in excess of Euro 200B are honored; Euro 93B being pledged by the Spanish sovereign.  The ESM will then lend Euro 100B to Spanish banks (not the sovereign) and the sovereign will guarantee the loan.  Credit of the sovereign is never questioned.  Is that about it???  Why didn't our leaders think of this gambit years ago!?  Monetary easing cloaked in a word fog. 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment WmMcK
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Can this gambit be declined?

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment asteroids
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In every case, Ireland, Greece, now Spain AND the US. The ultimate winner has been the bankers. The ultimate losers have been the citizens. In each case, the banks have been bailed out and the bad debt put on the back of citizens.  Only Iceland escaped.  Spain will provide an interesting twist.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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Liquidity trumps Solvency in the Eurozone...

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 13:59 | Link to Comment razorthin
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Noise followed by counter noise.  This pig's stuck.  Let's make sausage.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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They keep on talking about new taxes, raising them,you name it, without consulting with the people who have to pay for this and who have no say in the matter.

Work for cash, get out of the system.

Let them figure out what to do on their own.  They got into this mess, the people have enough problems without their governments adding more to the plate.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment lotusblue
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It may be,when they realize the euro is irreversibly exploded/damaged,Fins,Germans and,all

the other nation states will decide infavor of bailouts- any credibility of the Euro will be lost and the whole euro experiment  will dissolve.

This certainly favors the Germans exports and relieves them any responsibility to the EU.

This seems the direction to me.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Nussi34
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Bomb the PIIGS!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment sitenine
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? It's actually just PIGS - Iceland is fine, and bomb them?  You mean bomb them with fiat or explosive ordnance?  Personally, I don't see the difference anymore.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment ATG
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The other I:

Ireland renegotiating their bailout to Spain's...

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:31 | Link to Comment sitenine
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oh yeah, Ireland.  Maybe they will renegotiate with bombs?  I guess that's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.  Irish For The Win!

 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment jhm
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The german "opposition" is a ridiculous bunch of utter morons, as are the ruling parties. They all would sell the whole country to the highest bidder in an instance to keep the €uro up and running, and anyone who does believe that Merkel is a pain in the backside has not yet understood how terrible the pain would become with the opposition in power. That said one can rest assured that these opposition bigmouths have no spine and in the end will always do whatever the puppet masters demand.

The whole fuzz is but the usual and mostly boring weekly storm in a teapot.

 

Besides, there is a European Football Championship going on, no one here in his right mind cares for politics or finances the next week, so whatever happens, and be it the end of the world, will find the german sheeple preoccupied with far more important stuff.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment ATG
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Not to forget the French Open.

Can we really take this divide and conquer opposition/ruling party noise seriously with the EUD headed to 114?

Methinks not:

http://silversenator2012.blogspot.com/

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment OttoMBMP
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I was not able to say it in better words. 100% signed.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment TNTARG
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The endless banking bailouts until... It will stop.

Maybe Italy is gonna be the breaking point. There are banks not allowing people to take money from they bank accounts for "a month":

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2012/06/09/la-banca-sospende-i-pagamenti...

"

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Back in the day, my 7th grade prerequisite required reading the book ‘Lord of the Flies’.

Lord of the Flies 1960 

Shortly after, we saw a Hollywood show copied (Expedition Robinson version), the new US series was renamed Survivor. Boy did they bring in the ratings. 

Now we can watch the European Union have an unplanned plane crash. Watching this story will become pure irony. This time, the characters are bankers, policy writers and central planning hacks who will backstab anyone in their way.. bwhahahahaha!!! 

Council of Europe

European Council  

Shortly, you will begin to see how each EU community tribal member exercises its power and survival mode mechanisms.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment stuman
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Why doesn't the Euro pack implement a mandatory "Balanced Budget Amendment" for all participating nations who request/require assistance?

Otherwise this will simply continue as a death spiral of economic woe for the whole Union.

For that matter the US needs to do the same... 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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They are bailing out failed private banks, not the government. Malinvestment is being bailed out, with the taxpayers holding the bag.

To fix it you have to let the banks go under. Not have the government borrow money to give to a bankrupt bank.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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They are bailing out failed private banks

That's what most people conveniently forget. Reckless speculators, which conduct their criminal business from dozens of offshored tax-havens to avoid paying their fair share of the upkeep of the state, and every few years they come gun in hand to grab some billions in bailout monies, tax-free.

We'd be far better off without such cancerous abominations.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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They have, and Ireland had a referendum on it. They voted yes.
The long term is being planned, now it's the question how to get there.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:43 | Link to Comment Tao 4 the Show
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The real story is that there is no solution and everyone remains in denial. Much current perceived wealth amounts to promises on the future. The struggle underway is to convert these promises into cash by certain financial parties, and to keep the game going by various power grabbers, politicians, and businesses.

The future is already overcommitted and there are no additional real lenders. Thus, the Germans remain in denial about not printing. All outcomes are ultimately some form of printing (e.g. unrealistic promises on the future), or debt collapse (loss of money for lenders). Unfortunately, lots of those lenders are Germans.

The current push is a hybrid combining a game of "who gets stuck with the hot potato" with "let's print money while pretending someone will pay it later".

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:47 | Link to Comment djsmps
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Win Ben Bernankestein's Money

In 2008 the federal government made a terrible domestic policy mistake. While history showed that in bad times government must never allow a major bank to fail, the feds allowed Lehman Brothers, one of the five biggest banks in America, to fail. There was a lot of talk at the time about "moral hazard" and costs. But at the end of the day the whole credit system of the U.S. went into a sort of cardiac arrest that cost trillions over time. We're still feeling the effects time in a big way, in high unemployment, a collapsed housing market, and a sour, miserable mood of fear that has settled over the land.

 Now we're about to make another terrible mistake and hammer the economy yet again - SLAM it while it's on its knees.

Greece, far-away Greece, may have to default on its debt and leave the Eurozone very soon. Spain has close to 25% unemployment - that's a REAL depression. Italy is reeling. If these countries go into default, the effects will be extremely serious. Yes, Greece is a small nation, but many big European banks own large amounts of Greek debt, and our banks own large amounts of those banks. If there's a collapse in southern Europe, the U.S. banking system would be hit hard.

 That's exactly what we do NOT need at this point with the recovery wavering, and maybe another leg down to the already-brutal recession. Europe is a mess. Reluctantly the U.S. needs to get involved there in a leadership role to protect Americans from further blows to OUR economy. We can help. We still have immense influence at the International Monetary Fund; they could support Athens. Our Federal Reserve has unlimited money creation powers; it can help Greece.

 Yes, some will yell and moan about it, but it's to help Europe to help America - sort of like a Marshall Plan for our time.

 Let's get out ahead of this one while we still have time. This isn't to meddle in Europe's affairs; it's to help Americans get out of the fear and into the sunlight, finally!

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57450076/ben-stein-help-eurozone-with-new-marshall-plan/?tag=stack

 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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You must be f'g kidding.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:49 | Link to Comment djsmps
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I have to wonder if it was satire. But I don't think so.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:14 | Link to Comment stuman
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I disagree. I think that nations or financial institutions that have mis-judged and over spent need to pay the piper. There shouldn't be anything considered "too big to fail" imo

All this talk of bail out this and that does nothing but allow the broken and abused system to keep on going. 

If these crooks have created so much debt that they can't pay, they need to FAIL  and re-build and re-structure and no continually look to tax payer bail outs that does nothing but increase our own burden and add to our own existing debt levels.

If it's going to collapse and burn...let it burn!

So we can finally be done with it and put in a system that works and be away from this fiat currency debt debacle for good!

IMO  

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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But isn't that the true goal of the ruling bankster class:

does nothing but allow the broken and abused system to keep on going.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Angel Face
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It would appear Ben Stein has gone full retard.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment booboo
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I read your line of shit to my grandchild, he said "he ain,t paying for that load of crap you are packing in your cheeks"

 he understands what your ilk are foisting on his generation, your type are always running up and down the street screaming, "for the children, do it for the children" Now that you have blown up the family budget with that line of crap you use the same old worn out pap except it's more steeped in bullshit than ever, DEFAULT is a fucking option and it's time you take a plate of that putrid shit you have been cooking on fraud street, shove down your own pie hole and sweat it out bitch.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 19:03 | Link to Comment treasurefish
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You sure are one stupid piece of shit, Liberal!!!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment falak pema
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Whats the take on this article in BI concerning ZH's position that maintains that Rajoy's statement that "there are no strings attached" is not the case. They say ZH has sources that contradict the Spanish government's official position.

REPORT: A Major Spanish Government Bailout Claim Is Already Falling Apart - Business Insider

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment slingshot
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German banks are heavily invested in Spanish banks funding the real estate bubble there.   This bail out is just a German bank bail out although I do not have the numbers.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Alpacanio
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Hurry up and get this done now or we all die! Yeah, this sounds very familiar.. More bankers with gun to their heads saying, they will pull the trigger. German's will cave.

I have NO doubts, this will all collapse in weeks to a few months at most...

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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Yeah, just -- their guns are directed at our heads.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 17:20 | Link to Comment bugs_
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This time the Germans can save the world.  What an odd circumstance!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 19:01 | Link to Comment treasurefish
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Sun, 06/10/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment Paracelsus
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Whenever there is a major crisis,with backpedaling,the witty repartee here is enjoyable.

No trolls hardly,and everyone singing lustily as the RMS Titanic steams forward at night...

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 21:02 | Link to Comment WallowaMountainMan
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'insisting on a plan for a transaction tax'

i say tax the crap out of trading....make those computer hurt every time they twitch...they got 75% on the way to 99.9% of the
'trading' volume after looking at my hand first...most expensive real estate in the country.

i'd transact tax them into extinction.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:28 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Merkel is a bankster puppet. What a surprise.

PUT A GODDAMN TAX ON TRADING to stop the goddamn HFT!

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 22:37 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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Chill. You are ranting about something far beyond your control. Those HFT's know how to bake a tax in and work even faster to raise the funds.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 02:31 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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Rally Warning from last week:

'Daily chart now gives bullish warning and significant
SPX rally & USDX retracement should commence in a week or so'

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-24/market-analysis

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 02:31 | Link to Comment SeattleBruce
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"when am upstart party takes advantage of the popular anger at the Spanish bank bailout, and proceeds to undo years of Merkelian pro-Euro policies."

Even TPTB money masters have to take into account public opinion at some point...you know they're backed into a corner when they cannot massage the sheeple to support one of their 'chosen' options...at that point, reality may finally bite for the bankstas.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 02:47 | Link to Comment elwu
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"SPD leaders stressed at the weekend that its support for the fiscal pact was not yet a done deal."

Blabla. The SPD even supports eurobonds. It supports any amount of German taxpayer money transfered to any other state or the finance industry. So it will of course buckle, as always, and allow this crazy ESM to pass.

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