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Germany Backs EFSF Expansion With 523 Votes In Favor, 85 Against; EUR Sells On The News

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Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:22 | 1721200 papaswamp
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Slaves bitchez!

be back here in December when the whole thing starts all over again....Greeks immediately celebrate, pack the uzo and head for the beach.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:30 | 1721221 Popo
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Watch oil priced in Euros.  It's going to crush them.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 08:16 | 1721239 GetZeeGold
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All Greeks are cleared to head to the beach.....all Germans are cleared to head to the factory.......we're adding an hour to your workday.

Greeks love the beach....Germans love to work. Everyone's happy.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 08:29 | 1721477 Thomas
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"Poor people form a rich country giving money to rich people from a poor country." Alternatively, bankers raping and pillaging. They shoot horse thieves don't they?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 08:04 | 1721406 Weisbrot
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about 500 billion euro debt expansion europe wide - not just Germany - debt spread out, semi shared by all european nations ALREADY PRICED IN

 

one heck of a slippery slope though

 

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 08:04 | 1721408 covert
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interesting............ there is hidden danger here

http://expose2.wordpress.com

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:22 | 1721201 sushi
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Man, ZH is fast with the news! 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:22 | 1721202 Gandalf6900
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whats new people...need imput

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:24 | 1721205 swissaustrian
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Big surprise, not!

All this unfounded fear mongering about a German NO was nonsense. Merkel even got enough votes from her ruling coalition.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:27 | 1721214 sabra1
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if you were threatened with suicide, your family included, what would you do?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:31 | 1721223 traderjoe
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Huh?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 09:53 | 1721762 LeBalance
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MAD card.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:33 | 1721228 swissaustrian
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Sure. But I remember some sensationalistic articles here at ZH that speculated about a German NO followed by a coalition breakup. Such "news" really hurts ZHs credibility... 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:46 | 1721253 Peter Pan
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Agreed unless the opposition of voters to these extensions are also false or do not mean anything to their parliamentary representatives.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:06 | 1721287 AnAnonymous
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Such "news" really hurts ZHs credibility...

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Made me laugh. US citizens never stop.

On the contrary, it once again validated their credibility as a good provider of US cheap propaganda.

It is a for profit blog and there is a market for selling the possibility that a no would have emerged.

Your denial is a bit big to swallow: checking the vote, 500 + for, less than 100 against.

When one is able to capture an audience by claiming that a no vote is possible on such ground, high credibility.

Now, indeed, US citizens have a taste for cheap propaganda but still it is a remarkable deed.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:08 | 1721295 swissaustrian
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I´m from Switzerland and I knew it would pass.

But I agree, the US posters here at ZH have no clue about Europe. 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:21 | 1721327 Catullus
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Very true. US posters know nothing about Europe. And neither do Europeans.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:45 | 1722091 Ahmeexnal
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Some of us knew it would pass. It's no coincidence that the vote was made right smack in the middle of Oktoberfest.
And if needed, Oktoberfest festivities will be extended yearlong so as to prevent the sheeple from revolting.

The results of the vote were exactly as predicted. Why? Because this is not about "bailouts". This is about neo-colonization by rich imperialist countries. No wars this time, just clean debt. Until someone wakes up. Then it'll get ugly. Really fucking ugly.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:59 | 1722140 Dingleberry
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I'm an American. I went to public school, so I'm not that bright.  But let's see if I understand Europe: endless war interrupted by (relatively brief) periods of peace, along with the occasional bouts of genocide. The peace currently enforced by your local neighborhood superpower, the good ol' USA, after having to bail them out not once but twice in less than a century when shit hit the fan.  Of course, europeans hate the USA, except when the Germans get out of hand.  Looks like a 4th reich is coming yet again, as Europe is now basically Germany plus a dozen or so poodles, yorkies and chihuahuas masquerading as nations.  Do I have a good understanding???   

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 12:03 | 1722173 AnAnonymous
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Germans, US citizens, French and English, for the most of them are german.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:43 | 1721360 jm
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Speak up about this pre-vote next time.

So easy to take a piss...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 08:02 | 1721400 JOYFUL
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Well I'm Archie Bell from Houston TEXAS...n lemme be the one who suggests that you all  "Tighten Up"  my baguette eatin brothers....cause this Eurotrash 'poseur' crap just doesn't cut it here - we be an International COMMUNITY of folks what care enough to pass opinions about stuff -you can't dance to the floor vibe - there's the door-you free to leave

...an take your accordion with you!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 09:00 | 1721591 mirac
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"...an take your accordion with you!"

cracked me up!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 09:27 | 1721680 NotApplicable
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Sounds like my teenage daughter, "You don't understand me at all!"

Meanwhile, I knew something would pass as soon as Obummer gave Merkel a prize. Everything since, is merely political theater.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 10:04 | 1721787 edotabin
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What is there to have a clue about?  You make Europe sound like it needs some kind of special perspective.

The PTB have decided this will become one, contiguous trading bloc.  No amount of screaming, bitching, whining or truth will ever change that.

The end.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:27 | 1721334 ISEEIT
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The possibility of merkel failing to achieve coalition backing was real. Everyone understood that the legislation would pass. So what? All this does is buy a bit of time. The upper house will sign-off on this crap as well, again, just buying time. In the end it will not matter. The pain will come.

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/09/growing-isolation-in-...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 08:06 | 1721413 AnAnonymous
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The possibility of merkel failing to achieve coalition backing was real.

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Yes and?

You did not read what I wrote.

I wrote about selling the possibility.

A no vote is always a possibility. Now the possibility sells better when it looks very likely.

All the credit to this site to have managed to sell a possible but very unlikely outcoume.

With in mind that US citizens demand for this kind of shit... But at least, there was some market investigation job done.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 13:14 | 1722493 faustian bargain
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If all anyone did was report on the probable, and not the merely possible, then the world would be covered in black swans.

I'm not sure what your problem is with this site. If you think you can make it better, stop being a snarky jerk and try to improve things. If you're just here to fluff up your puny ego by trying to insult your projected image of 'Americans', I suggest getting some therapy.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 11:53 | 1722119 gwar5
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Speaking of propaganda, how's that whole European Union and Euro thing working out for you just 4200 days later?

 

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 09:07 | 1721613 Vergeltung
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my understanding was a 75% DISAPPROVAL of this amongst the German Volk. So, perhaps the sentiment of a NO vote was based upon that.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:00 | 1721278 AnAnonymous
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Big surprise, not!

All this unfounded fear mongering about a German NO was nonsense. Merkel even got enough votes from her ruling coalition.

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It was no surprise. As it is no surprise US citizens demand for propaganda denying the most obvious to come exists.

There is a market for selling that the vote would have given a "no"

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 13:17 | 1722510 faustian bargain
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'unfounded', not.

'fear mongering', not.

what is there to fear about economic accountability and responsibility? Indeed, the 'fear' factor is greater now than it was before. The threat of a continuation of Ponzi schemes is the real nightmare here.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:25 | 1721206 GoldbugVariation
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Ouzo.  Not uzo.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:36 | 1721235 papaswamp
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My bad...not through my first cup of coffee...my 1 remaining brain cell isn't up yet.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:08 | 1721292 JOYFUL
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Actually, it's not doin half bad: they're heading to the beaches with Uzis to welcome their new er, partners;  it's part of the goodies packet that came with the (not so anymore) secret defense pact  GPap signed with the Golem.

  Unlimited refills on armaments, (watch as Greece steps down from Nato committments) plus a huge horde of funny money (brought to you by way of the drug pipeline what all the goyboys been dying to protect since Gulf War1)

In return, the talmudists get unlimted access to Greek Island bases, open a second front on the Turks, and the much needed alternate flight path which will take the armaggeddom delivery of those big bunker busters OBomba handed over courtesy your tax $ to a place that rhymes with Barbara Ann(if you're twisted enuff!)

No, I think you doin pretty good...maybe put your hand to writing a screenplay sequel to 'On The Beach'  ...with your powers of prediction after that second coffee, who knows what cinema verite you could produce!

 

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:26 | 1721208 Peter K
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And now what? Answer: Leverage baby:)  

New shooter, coming out..........

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:27 | 1721211 jmcadg
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This is yesterday's news. The key is the leveraging of these funds to €2T. If they pass that, then we're fucked.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:00 | 1721276 KlausK
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They don't need to "pass" that. They will just do it.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:09 | 1721294 jdelano
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Constitutionality? Referendum?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:45 | 1721361 KlausK
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They already announced that the law will be adjusted to fit. Don't forget: Those people make the laws, too.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 08:04 | 1721405 jdelano
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god you're an idiot.  no they didn't, and no they don't.  

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 12:57 | 1722410 Panafrican Funk...
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"Constitutionality? Referendum?"

Who's the idiot?  What on earth is causing you to think either concept is relevent or really at play here?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:07 | 1721290 jdelano
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Exactly--these article titles are very misleading. Evidently the tylers are sucking wind on their pms. This vote has fucking NOTHING to do with "euro TARP" these votes are nothing more than a formality to ratify the 200bil addition settled on in July. I used to come here to get away from the SPIN. Now same shit, different URL.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 10:41 | 1721873 citta vritti
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it's lke Robin Williams in Good Morning, Vietnam -- rip something off the teletype and throw it out there as click porn, diddit, da, ditda, dit (whatever). Sadly, I'm all too ready to click and have the Tylers do my thinking for me. Then the rest of you guys come along and tell me to think for myself. Lots of links to the side to provide other perspectives, and wham, the markets have moved. So much easier when QE2 was going strong. Hmmm, maybe it's going to come around again - Fred Bergsten in NYT saying cheap dolla will help create jobs. God help us, because we can't do it ourselves. 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:27 | 1721212 TradingJoe
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Bundestag, the lower House, voted, now Bundesrat, the upper House, will vote tomorrow, has to "confirm" the vote, that's where Angie is going to run into major trouble!
Besides, 400x Billion ain't enough anyways, so this political theatre ain't over either!
Me stay short and short some more, buy more Physicals and all them other much needed items for "protection":)))!!!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:38 | 1721236 papaswamp
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Might get pinched today as the markets will go nutty since more debt is good mentality rules. When this bill comes due there are going to be some serious crying.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:28 | 1721215 Racer
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523 traitors

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:49 | 1721366 Don Diego
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the politicians that voted "no" are traitors as well, TPTB have asked them to play the good guys so that they will have established their good credentials toward the people, so that they can continue screw the people.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 08:06 | 1721415 Smiddywesson
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Absolutely great observation DonD.  Yes, TPTB will ALWAYS have their minions on both sides of each and every controversial issue so that they always have a useful pawn to push forward no matter the result. 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:28 | 1721216 The Axe
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I am going to the gym, I can't watch my bloomberg terminal another day   I getting motion sickness

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