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Germany Opines: "Obama's Middle East Policy Is in Ruins"
Since the US media appears to have little if anything to say on the topic of the global anti-Pax Americana insurrection that does not devolve purely along pre-election party lines, here is what Germany thinks.
From Spiegel
US embassies in the Muslim world were on high alert Friday following days of violent protests against an anti-Islam film. Germany, too, closed several embassies in fear of attacks. Some German commentators argue that the violence shows that Obama's Middle East policies have failed.
After days of protests over an anti-Islam film, American diplomatic missions in the Middle East and North Africa were braced for further violence after Friday prayers. The US put its overseas missions on high alert.
Germany has closed its embassies in a number of Muslim-majority countries in fear of attacks. "We are observing how the security situation develops with great attentiveness and we have increased security precautions at a number of foreign missions," a spokesman for the German Foreign Office told SPIEGEL ONLINE. Embassies in North Africa, Afghanistan and Pakistan are believed to be among those affected.
The spokesman said that the missions would only close on Friday, though. Other German institutions such as aid organizations have also been urged to increase security precautions, he said.
German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said he was "deeply concerned" about the attacks on US embassies. He called on the countries in question to protect foreign missions. "Diplomats have to be able to do their work without fear," he said.
Westerwelle said he could understand the outrage that many Muslims felt about the anti-Islam film. "But this outrage cannot justify violence."
The German army in Afghanistan is also increasing its security precautions. "We are assuming that we will also feel the effects of this whole business," one German soldier told SPIEGEL ONLINE in a telephone interview. "When the people here see the film, they are sure to protest."
On Friday, German commentators analyze the violence and its implications for US foreign policy.
The center-right Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes:
"The murder of an ambassador in Libya and the attacks on US diplomatic missions in other Arab countries is sure to strengthen the skepticism that more than a few Americans feel toward Muslims and the political changes brought by the Arab revolutions. The deeply held American belief that all you have to do is liberate people from serfdom and dictatorship, and then democracy and a market economy will develop more or less on their own, burned to ash in the trial by fire of Iraq. A fact that academics and historically informed diplomats have always known can now be observed throughout the Arab world: Deeply ingrained cultural attitudes do not change simply because one political regime replaces another. In the long process of building a democratic society, it is not possible to simply skip stages."
The left-leaning Berliner Zeitung writes:
"The attacks on US embassies and consulates in the Arab world can not be justified in any way. If it turns out that al-Qaida is behind the attacks, as some US officials suspect, then they are acts of terrorism committed under the guise of religion. If they turn out to be uncoordinated actions by angry believers, then they are an expression of a frightening ignorance. A crazy individual US citizen has uploaded a movie onto the Internet which denigrates the Prophet Muhammad. The US government can not be held responsible for that. But that clearly does not help US President Barack Obama very much. He has to bear the political consequences of the recent events by himself."
"Four years ago, Obama pledged to seek reconciliation with the Muslim world. Now, it is doubtful whether he has succeeded. The US and its European allies now have to ask themselves how much support they still enjoy in the countries of the Arab Spring."
The center-left daily Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:
"Since the Arab Spring broke out, there have been many difficult moments in the relationships between America and the Arab nations. But few have been as delicate as this one. America hardly has influence in the region any longer, and now sees itself confronted with anti-American sentiment in places where it no longer controls the dictators. Meanwhile, forces that simultaneously exploit and spurn America are gaining influence."
"Middle Eastern policy is a thankless task for America. But for precisely this reason -- and despite the election campaign -- it would be unwise to pour oil into the fire. The fact that President Obama has deployed destroyers and marines to Libya, and may soon send out drones, isn't a good sign, though. … Should Washington fall into defense mode, as it has in Yemen against al-Qaida, where the anti-terrorism fight is the top priority and there have been civilian victims, then the tables could turn quickly. People in the Arab world want to be more than just a security risk."
The conservative Die Welt writes:
"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It's a bitter outcome for Obama."
"Obama was naive to believe that one only needed to adopt a new tone and show more respect in order to dispel deep-seated reservations about the free world. In practice, the policies of the Obama administration in the region were not as naive as they may have seemed at times, and the Americans have always been much more involved in the Middle East than the passive Europeans. But Washington has provided the image of a distracted superpower in the process of decline to the societies there. This image of weakness is being exploited by Salafists and al-Qaida, who are active in North Africa from Somalia to Mali."
"One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America's deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check."
The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung writes:
"The conservative US media have already -- excessively -- labeled the anti-US protests in Egypt, Libya and Yemen as a 'wildfire' and interpreted them as a result of Obama's 'weakness.'"
"It's lucky for Obama that his opponent Romney is acting in such a hapless manner. Instead of condemning the attacks in a statesman-like fashion and assuring the president of his support, Romney criticized the government's alleged 'apology' to the demonstrators. That was not just nonsense, but partisan maneuvering at a moment when patriotism would have been appropriate. With his attack, Romney has scored an own goal."
The financial daily Handelsblatt writes:
"Three years after Obama's speech in Cairo, which was supposed to initiate a new beginning in the Middle East, the United States now has even less support in the region than before. That's not a failure of this president. Instead, it is the consequences of an American foreign policy that for decades favored power over democracy, and a hard line over human rights -- and which will suffer from a credibility problem for a long time for precisely those reasons."
"Mitt Romney has, however, failed to recognize the very core of the American dilemma. He attacked Obama with twisted facts shortly after the announcement of the death of the US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens. He claimed that the US government had sympathized with the attackers in Benghazi. But not only was that factually wrong, it also demonstrated an alarmingly high level of foreign policy incompetence to his own party. None of this would matter, except that Romney wants Obama's job -- and might even get it on Nov. 6."
The mass-circulation daily Bild writes:
"Naked hatred is raging against a country that many people in the world regard as a symbol of freedom. When US flags burn, embassies are vandalized, and diplomats are murdered, it is an attack on the West, and not just America!"
"We rooted for the demonstrators at Tahrir Square, and many of us have longed to see democracy in the Arab nations. But democracy includes honoring the lives of fellow humans."
"The turmoil in Libya, Cairo, and Bangladesh is a return to the Middle Ages, when people were beheaded and stoned to death. No pathetic anti-Islam film can justify hate-filled murder."
"The West must be tough on terrorism. And it must show that it can differentiate between rabble-rousers and peaceful Muslims."
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So what's next.
Invasion of Lebanon, Bangladesh, Egypt, Sudan, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan... EVERY COUNTRY with more than 100k muslims?
We had to lose an ambassador, sensitive documents, and a few embassies to reach this conclusion?
This is Directed History in the making, turning out exactly and the global elite wish it to be, further ensuring the "Long War" through the installation of a Islamic Calaphate to take the place of the receeding illusion of the War on Terror.
From Chaos, Order
Where is Xi ? Killed?
China up next for a little chaos..
Xi is still alive. Rumors say he either have back problems, a friend died or just doing what the previous chinese leaders did before getting nominated... disappear for a while then come back... some kind of rennaissance ritual or something.
It looks like on TV, that's always muted while listening to AJ, their finally showing dead troops coming home in coffins and body bags who were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
It's about time our dead solders are being honored by being shown on Jewtube MSM TV.
I can't stand to read MSM crap, be it from Germany or elsewhere. The snipets above suggest that Obamma was sincerely trying to spread democracy (with bombs) and that he 'failed' because people over there just aren't sophisticated enough. What a crock of shit.
The Zionists in power are replacing every secular government with brutal fundamentalists and al Qaeda (making life hell for all moderate Muslims and Christians), just as planned.
What's even worse: a reader who is led to believe that the 'peaceful', 'well-meaning' approach of 'spreading democracy' is counter-productive: I guess we'll need to look for a final solution?
Well fine, with NoBama's domestic policy also in tatters, he'll go down in history as the president who could ruin but couldn't hide.
Yep, how was the crap about;
What ludicrous horseshit, "love" a super power? ... "Keep" them in check ..."Scare" dah 'baddies'. That whole dumb ignorant attitude is what has these guys using religion as an excuse to take up arms against anyone stepping on their toes, and soil.
Another MSM outlet says:
"Doubtful" reconciliation successes? What of anything is doubtful about this? It's been a constant stream of lies, shallow hopey blather, and articulate teleprompter-based doctrinaire effluent for the past four year. The whole point of a political revolution is to change the status quo. Did it not occur to the perverse morons in Paris, London and Washington, that maybe this included foreign-relations and former understandings, deals and arrangements as well?
Or was that supposed to be unthinkable if they just went ahead and showed fawning consent to demands to supply weapons and an airforce to destroy country's vital economic infrastructure, and severely undermine civil infrastructure, like water supplies and power, and then just spieled-out a bunch of aberrant and wilful lies and ignored reality entirely, murdered thousands, under a supposed UN civilian protection action, and installed a new bunch of west-nominated and "recognised" desperados, who were duplicitous enough to setup a Rothschild central bankster system and award resources contracts, to dah "goodies" ... so then all would be settle-down, and turn into a utopian demockracy-on-a-stick with frolicking dewy-eyed unicorns?
It was never going to produce anything but enduring dysfunction, war and failed states ... but that was the underlaying aim, to make the states so weak and vulnerable to violent manipulation, that they would do anything you demand, you just have to go back from time to time and mow-down some more of their ... er ... rebels.
So Obama and Clinton are imbeciles at best, if they were in any way genuinely and innocuously pursuing such approaches, with a bunch of intransigent violent rebels, who demanded free weapons (!) and for the west to be their airforce, navy and special-forces. But I think we all know Washington London and Paris were being very far from genuine or innocuous with their approaches and responses, and has thus completely incensed Russia and China, who can see they were just duped by Paris and Londons bleating lies, and that has now made the UN Security Council a hopelessly dysfunctional charade.
Well good-going Obama, Clinton, NATOtards, "... mission accomplished ...".
I hopey you don't need to utilise that institution again, wing-nut.
No, Obama didn't snub anything. He saw the polls going down or failing to rise, so he made an expedient political decision to put some space between his previous toadying to Israel on every issue, but it isn't real, it isn't a genuine independence and decency, as Obama has none of that in him. He's a mass-murderer in a tailored suit. It's simply a cynical ploy to get re-elected because Obama knows US foreign policy with regard to Israel is getting mighty unpopular in the US electorate, and you sure don't want them feeling impassioned by it, and "getting-out-the -vote". So you nullify it some. He's doing this until the election is over and then it's right back to toadying US foreign policy to Israeli interests again.
The thing is, that's not what Obama did, Obama expanded wars and started new ones, and expanded drone attacks, on the territory of a nuclear power I might add, people seem to forget this, and generally pissed-off everyone in sight with his warped Washington lies and support of terrorism. Whilst claiming the right to arbitrarily murder everyone on Earth to get his way. And the hypocritical little prick got a pre-emptive peace prize that has still not been rescinded?
And as for "Free World"? Does that exist in the same mythical universe as the "Rich World" perchance? The Rich-World never existed, it was a credit charade and a con game that's now broke and the Free World is the figment of your imagination, that was implanted by organisations ... just like yours in fact.
Hey, Die Welt, you're just a neo-con rag, spieling out the new lies and appologism for entrenched western 'foreign-policy' idiocy and the, global-bastardry network.
Yeah, because no one's ever directly responsible or accountable for the decisions and choices, are they Handelsblatt? There's always a dimwitted excuse or justification for abject failure during the past 3.75 years, There's always snivelling apologists in the MSM who will tell the new lies. You just blame it on the inertia of the preceding 30 years! Well, you do if you're inclined to be flagrantly dishonest about what has transpired, and are just encouraging further irresponsibility and unaccountability of global mafia war-criminals instead.
Get a clue Handelsblat;
Obama and Clinton are 100% responsible for the degenerate foreign relations, and war-like situations in the middle-east, in Sept 2012.
Those troops are being "honored" for successfully placing the Iraq oil fields and the Afghan poppy fields into anglo-american hands. How "glorious". Their families should be proud! And more boys will join to "defend" [sic] their country.
They can't vote for HIM - fuck them.... ops, they can vote for him in Chicago
If I had a rocket launcher...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vCww3j2-w
I'm having a hard time moving today becasue of all this, which is stupid. I will be dead soon, as will everybody else (as is always the case), and there's nothing I can do about any "plan" that exists for the transformation of the world. I'm not bitching at you and you may very well be right.
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
I almost have reached Ron Paul's position about just getting out of all these messes...In the hood if some knucklehead down the road is causing problems I can do one of four things: 1. I can ignore it, 2. I can pretend that if I ask him nicely to cease his reprehensible behavior that he will immediately respect my wishes, 3. I can get my gun and go kill the knucklehead, or, 3. I can mind my own business but let him know if he messes with me that I will kill him and his family. Which option is your favorite?
Hey eat, I would go with #4 first and if that only accomplishes a ratcheting up of the situation, I would not hesitate to go right to #3. Make sure no one else but the asshole hears your #4 command.
I heard an crazy idea from a friend of a friend; but I can remember his name. Obviously this one film has roiled the middle east to a call to arms. As a tax payer, I wonder why are we over their givining them foreign aid? Packistan gets over a billion. Who knows how much we spend on the other countries. It is safe to say all this foreign aid is against the pubilic opion, but the government keeps doing it. After embassys being assulted, people killed, american public opinon is getting stronger and could potenitally be strong enough for governemnt to be forced to stop aid to these contries. So this friend of a friend thought, if one badly produced internet movie caused this, what if 10 more were produced? Woudl the uprising be 10 times more and as a result american public opinion be 10 times stronger for the US to get out? It is far fetched no doubt and I would never encourage a film maker to create a movie with such a motive. Not that I would ever watch these movies since I am crying myself to sleep every night due to a boating accident which caused me to loose all my gold. THe worst part is the paperwork went with it so I can claim it on insurance.
It is always directed history. We are entering the "chaos" phase .... disorder will become the new norm. Everything (according to the "directors") will be upside down. I'm not sure what you can do to wade through the BS but I'm here to tell you, dissenters will become "shackled". This is all part of the "transformation" .... to totalitarianism. The U.S. will never be the same. All the traditional paradigms will intentionally be destroyed. The U.S. is headed down .... things will never be the same. The U. S. populace has been "dumbed down" into a society of serfs, and village idiots. I'm not sure if there is a recovery from here.
This is indeed bad, very bad. It's been a long road to get here. It will be a long road to wherever we're going, and it won't be pleasant.
@knuckles
Dear Knuck,
Thanks for the "Directed History" phrase. I was just appal;ed in reading the article by how people of the future would never imagine what the reality had been.
Just one example:
"After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military."
How will anyone in the future know that the 'hesitation' was because the State Dept and White house were each on the opposing sides of the others position and it took them three or four days just to reconcile their differences and seemingly switch horses: there were no priciples involved only third-rate politics.
And what close allies were 'snubbed'? certainly not those named---they are still on top!
Dinner is over and the bill has been presented----and we don't have the funds.
I guess we pay it in blood this time and it will not be terrorism but justice om
Ah, I guess I'm not the only person who reads the Daily Bell.
http://www.thedailybell.com/4297/Anthony-Wile-Rising-Middle-East-Violence-a-Precursor-for-US-Based-Internal-Combustion
No- the Saviors court jester still thinks this is about a US film...
Tomorrow's papers will be interesting since German diplomatic missions have so much to do with Hollywood (and since there is no freedom of speech in Germany)
Unless the film was bad enough to star David Hasslefoff, in which case bets on the neutered apologist German reaction are off.
"star David"
I see what you did there.
"They don't hate us for our freedoms. They hate us because we are over there, occupying their countries."
-Ron Paul
"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful"
~Kelly LeBrock
"You love me, you really, really love me." Sally Field
Flying Nun +1
So...someone makes a film that is disrespectful (of a fucking RELIGION...awwww...let's all give condolensces to the Great Pumpkin), and a bunch of retards brainwashed into the scam go nuts...
Meanwhile, a central banker zionist POS announces the destruction of the U.S. dollar, a massive transfer from the poor and middle class to the wealthy, and a bunch of retards brainwashed into the scam...applaud him and celebrate!
Rally on!
Because we are liberating their oil supplies.
Actually, they REALLY love us liberating ther oil supplies. ("They being" the ones in power in the Arab world.)
Otherwise, the ones in power would still be Bedouins with no economies to speak of.
'I hate myself for loving you' Joan Jett
'Ten things I hate about you' Joan Armatrading
'Hate to lose your loving' Little Feat
'mama hated diesels' Commander Cody and his lost planet airmen
Thank the Creator the CIA and FBI finally met their demise over there. Can we bring the troops home Now?
No worries. Twitter and Facebook will save the world.
Sarc off.
Germany is out of the loop:
General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
they are behind the time line, hence the pressure from Israel.
Russia and China are not playing along.
They need another false flag to move along with Syria and Iran.
Then WW III officially starts.
No violence reported so far from Iran or Syria about that video, afaik. Only "free" countries on the edge?
Another confirmation that Iran and Syria are engineering it! /or so the warmongering trash will say
there were massive demonstrations in Iran, speaking out against U.S. and Israeli aggression and foreign policy.... all peaceful.
Amazing how that works when the government supports the "demonstrations".
Sad how it works when they don't.
The Syrians are a bit busy demonstrating their "free speech" against the current administration of that country.
There is also the problem of no US diplomatic presence for either domestic population to engage in "free speech" with.
I guess they could talk to an empty building, not quite as funny as talking to an empty chair, but they could make up for it with special effects.
Oi! That means we brits are next!
I thought you people are the English.
I think it is more like countries with central banks not yet fornicating with the whore.
in order to have a policy in ruins, you have to have a policy in the first place.
No shit captain obvious - Germany
Link from Jesse's. Listen to Gen. Wesley Clark.
http://www.crisishq.com/why-prepare/world-war-3-preserving-petrodollar/
No. If anything, our attempts at being reasonable conquerors in Iraq and in Afghanistan have given some freedom and flexibility to the next president who decides to hit back. The American people will no longer want or expect boots on the ground. Death from above will suffice going forward.
No. If anything, our attempts at being reasonable conquerors in Iraq and in Afghanistan have given some freedom and flexibility to the next president who decides to hit back. The American people will no longer want or expect boots on the ground. Death from above will suffice going forward.
Who actually gives a fuck if there are protests against the U.S. because of a stupid movie for the next few weeks? Sorry, I'm not ready to join the "Oh no, the sky is falling" crowd just yet.
When these guys start protesting against the U.S. because of what we actually do, that's when I'll take notice. However, when that happens, instead of worrying, I'll congratulate them. We shouldn't be killing people all over the globe just so a few people can make a shitload of money.
I love how when the news stations highlight all the Muslim countries currently protesting they also highlight Great Britain.
seig heil!
pretty tough words coming from Brussel's bitch
put those Leopard tanks to work. the krauts wrote the book on war (literally -"On War" by von Clausewitz) so they are welcome to show us how to do it
It means "hail victory" and nothing more. One of these days, Sponge Bob will explain multiculturalism to ya'll.
Till then, just watch the blinking lights.
+1 for Sponge Bob reference
Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble.
I don't think Oblahma has a M.E. policy, actually.
Hillary & Bill might have one, hard to say.
If there is a policy it is probably something like "just ignore those brown people, they are like children, get their oil anyway you can and otherwise let them have their fun."
Although actually I think that has been the US M.E. policy for about 50 years.
Actually, D'Sousa makes a pretty good argument that Obama believes in "anti-colonialism". Under that senario, we bring down the Western World to the level of the undeveloped countries and all is well. Maybe he is blowing smoke, but so far, it has had pretty good predictive value as to what happens next.
You lost me at "D'Sousa makes a pretty good argument".
Either that, or it coincides with something occurring due to other factors, e.g. resource constraints, offshoring, and rudimentary math...
Leaving aside D'Sousa's moronic conclusion for a moment, he also fails to consider that this country has a history of violent "anti-colonalism." Or hasn't D'Sousa ever heard of George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, et al?
obama has a political science degree from columbia university...doesnt he...? he should be an expert in these kinds of situations.
Rumor has it he never went to class.
or an intelligence briefing. With all the time O's spent on the links, it will be interesting to see how he tries to get himself out of this sand trap.
im not really sure how you figure "bomb everything, install as many puppets as possible" isnt a policy
Obama's ME policy is:
Get us out of Iraq (a popular move and completed).
Get us out of Afghanistan (a popular but much trickier move and underway).
Fuck with Iran short of going to war, and shine on the beligerent Israelis (doing pretty good I think).
Stay out of the Arab spring as best as possible. (Got involved in Libya, while pushing French and British to forefront. Stayed out of others.)
I think his policy is pretty reflective of US opinion. Do you want to be MORE involved in these countries? Be fighting one to two additional wars over there? Do you think a bunch of Romney/Cheney-style saber-rattling would get us anything but more entangled over there?
Foreign policy is one area where I think Obama is doing pretty well.
If you call all this chaos "doing pretty well" you must still be hitting the hopium pipe, carrying water by the tanker load.
How is President Obama's foreign policy responsible for this "chaos"?
What specifically could he or another president have done to prevent this?
What specifically could another, presumably "better", president do now that would be effective?
Be specific.
Well its allredy been stated, but QaDaffy never killed our diplomats.
So, we shouldn't have interfered in Libya. Okay, that is at least a specific critique.
Obama's senior advisor is Valerie Jarrett. Is that specific enough ?
....who happens to be a native-born Iranian.
What else is Obama supposed to do? Send in the clones to set the entire region ablaze? Man, it's like Bush never had 2 terms and the invasion of Iraq based on lies, manipulations and corruptions never happened. Obama didn't go to war in Iraq and start the BUSH FIRE.
What is happening today was predicted as soon as the US went to war with Iraq.
How come every Obama apologist seems to think history began in 2001? Is it because they're all so young, or just ignorant rockheads?
American mismanagement of foreign affairs in the Middle East stretches back nearly 70 years. If you're really a historical realist, you could say it reaches back to the Barbary Coast pirates.
Yes, so it has even LESS to do with Obama's foreign policy. Good point.
Agree, but don't forget the Arab world has had an explosive population bloom and demographics are dominated by young and dumb with unrealistic aspirations and expectations. They have an even bigger problem of people being too young to see pre-2001 perspective.
Which sounds a lot like my guess of "just ignore those brown people, they are like children, get their oil anyway you can and otherwise let them have their fun."
That's about right. It's isolationist with an understanding that we shouldn't be entangled in every country on the globe. The Ron Paul fans around here should be big fans of such a foreign policy.
(Though I doubt very much that President Obama dismisses others as "brown people.")
(Though I doubt very much that President Obama dismisses others as "brown people.")
Heh. Probably not. Or at least, that wasn't how it came out in his first briefing by the State Department after he had taken the oath.
I wonder if they had to rewrite any sections of the play book.
Yeah its a smashing success.....right.
Which policy from my list up there do you disagree with?
How about your first point? There are still US troops in Iraq. LOTS of them, plus a HUGE mercenary force and biggest Embassy ever built on Earth.
Are you a fucking tool or what chet?
So you want to be more involved in the Arab countries instead of trying to withdraw?
Of course not. What part of "invasion and occupation" don't you understand?
I didn't use that term, and neither did you. What are you talking about?
They used Al-Quidia elements in Lybia and they are using them in Syria. So in a matter of fact replaceing shit with more stinky shit is not a policy of non involvemnt. Obama is a wall street democrat which use to be called a republican. They are the same now.
So you don't like Obama. That' s not a substantive critique of his foreign policy.
If I follow your argument, the best approach would be to have somehow supported the existing dictatorships during the Arab Spring because Al Queda has taken advantage of the aftermath?
I would dare say fuck that entire region of the planet and maybe just have one coast guard cutter patroling for the fun of it. Instead of all the battle groups we have there now. Also let them all have nuclear weapons so they can all blow themselves up and they can all go to hell toggether. If you are still worried about the oil, go in after they incinerate themselves. All the leadership sucks there just like here.
Also let them all have nuclear weapons so they can all blow themselves up and they can all go to hell together.
Well seeing as there's all that evident love of the USA over there, just maybe it won't be them "blowing themselves to hell" - it might well include the USA, and then by extension, everyone else.
Uh, 'scuse me , genius--how the hell do you plan to extract that 'oil'-once the sand is turned to RADIOACTIVE GLASS?And what the fuck are you planning to PAY the workers you'll need to extract that oil IN? Unicorn rainbow dollars? because they would live about five minutes.
I'ts like the last 50 years never happened.
The Council on Foreign Relations actually recently made an argument for US political support for radical terrorist Al Qaeda elements in Syria, and furnishing them with weapons to get the job done for the US. Have a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVx3VbLag8k
That's in fact the same logic that was used in dispensing Stingers to Mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan, after the Russians invaded ('invited' in). It was recognised by the CIA that the most religiously radicalised militias got the best kill stats, and were the most organised and motivated fighters, so these groups were give the Stingers. The more radical the better, whatever worked is what the US did, and does. The US foreign policy implementation has ZERO morality, ethics or conscience, and all the dreary crap coming out in media conferences, about how much they care, about doing dah right stuff, is all supercilious cynical lying baloney.
There's a video on utube of Hillary Clinton saying how she is in continuous contact with the CFR and visits them regularly, and considers them a valuable source of advice and guidance, so you can see where she gets that spastic-idiot of a foreign policy, that arming, training, advising and supporting Al Qaeda = goodies. While Assad and Co, who maintain a stable function society meeting the essential needs and security of its people = evil doers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JX1GX2smycI
Hillary is simultaneously a dangerous psychopathic retard, a total disgrace, and an abject failure.
And the CFR should be immediately banned, broken up and its members imprisoned as domestic and international terrorism supporters of Al Qaeda, and for inciting crimes against humanity.
Hang 'em high, every last one of these insane, war-mongering criminal punks.
Sorry pal, but we're still in Iraq. Still in Afghanistan wtih no sign of leaving any time soon.
We'll fuck with Iran just short of going to war until after the election, then all bets are off.
Stay out of Arab spring? The CIA at O'bomb-a's behest instigated the "Arab Spring" by toppling the gov'ts of Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Yemen and starting the uprisings elsewhere. Stayed out of "Arab Spring"? He's fuckin' balls deep in it.
O'bomb-a is up to his neckin the back pocket of the banksters and the MIC, if he gets another term, he'll be over his head in it. Ro-money is already there.
Now, paid O'bomb-a shill, go away.
His policy is to leave Iraq and Afghanistan. You would like to stay?
Our force levels are much lower in Iraq. We have a large embassy presence (roughly 20,000) and 4,00. to 5,000 private contractors. This is nothing like when we had an occupying military force in the country.
The CIA didn't instigate the Arab Spring, but don't let me get in the way of your conspiracy theorizing. I'm sure it was very interested in the Arab Spring and poked its nose in, but it didn't instigate it.
By and large, the US rhetorically supported people trying to overthrow autocratic dictatorships. What would you have the US say in those situations?
Save the strawman shit for someone else.
O'bomb-a's policy is NOT to leave Iraq, Afghanistan or any other place in the ME. WE still have at least 12 active military bases in Iraq.
The US likes to overthrow democratically elected governments (Iran 1953 ring any bells? And how many other countries in South America, Northen Africa, and ME?) and install puppet regimes. It's good business and keeps the bankers happy.
BTW, I've read the rules of disinformation, so don't applyy that shit to me.
You're a paid O'bomb-a shill if ever I saw one.
Aw, don't be so hard on him; he just got one of those "shovel-ready" jobs his esteemed President has created.
LOL. I guess they didn't have any openings at TSA.
Hey chet, You're that Christopher Hahn character that appears on Lou Dobbs as an Obama apologist, right?
What I would say in those situations Chet, is that the USSA is hands down the global expert on economic warfare, and uses it and practices it in a continuous spectrum of escalated coercion, blackmailing threatening and aggression. The US uses its intel network resources to constantly monitor economic conditions in every country on earth, every minute of every day. And it seeks economic opportunities to exploit and further its "Total Global Dominance" in the 21st century agenda.
The US didn't just poke it's wee "nose in", you characterise it's intrusions, as passive and reactive. When it's overwhelmingly clear to anyone who looks that the US intrusions into the economic affairs of other countries that it is active and very much pro-active process, into weaker strategically significant and malleable countries, to attempt to obtain the geopolitical outcomes and conditions that it favours. The US uses economic warfare tactics and resulting deals, continuously, toward such ends.
The US Treasury State department even brag about it!
The US doesn't give a damn about the 3 month and 12 month outcomes and conditions on the ground, they want the 10 year and 25 year outcomes to go their way. This is a system like all imperial systems of control, that is not concerned with the methods. There are only two things that matter in this:
(1) Achieving desired strategic aims
(2) Controlling public perceptiond of the fact that you don't give a rats-arse to the slightest degree regarding how you go about achieving #(1)
The ends do justify the means in US foreign policy. Economic roughing-up and 'preping' is their most commonly used tool for getting what they want. You're a fool if you think any of that is accidental.
And there is only one thing that works to stop Washington--handing their arses to them via understanding their methods, their practices, their intensions and their insane viscousness, and massive capacity to cover up even major attrocities, at will.
Then they start losing things like RQ-170s, and their propaganda falls flat, and you see they are just terrorists promoting terrorism, and their combat forces then realise they just may get their arse handed to them, again, as in Vietnam and Korea. But the military industrial disaster-complex will gladly give it a go, if economic warfare sanctions don't work,
Bullshit, Chet. This crap we see today, in the ME, started with the ouster of Mubarek. Onumbnuts facilitated that. Sept., 2007 "On the day of my inauguration, Muslim hostilitirs will cease"! B. Hussein Obama.
I went searching for that quote. It turns out that that's a Brietbart headline. He never said those words.
We didn't oust Mubarek, and I'll ask AGAIN for about the fifth time here, would you people rather that we DID intervene, in order to support dictators like Mubarek?
There is no internal consistency to the positions you guys are taking here.
My guess, Chet, is that most people here would say we shouldn't be intervening anywhere.
So who the fuck cares what he said... the deeds are nefarious in and of themselves.
Doing pretty well compared to......what? What we think Romney/Bush/another Neocon might do?
Technically you're correct, I guess. But the bar you've set is very, very low.
I don't think Oblahma has a M.E. policy, actually.
Uh Huh,actually he does.
It's killing Dictators, and allowing the RADICAL Islamic Muslim Brotherhood to take over.
Which, creates a FAR more dangerous situation, than what WE supposedly got rid of.
Look for a UNITED Islamic Fundie multi stae political union soon.( example, Egypt & Iran already).
This is the policy.
Now complete.
Ya know, reading your comments I was genuinely moved to reflect upon the True Greatness of America. A Land of Opportunity where Any man from any country, regardless of nationality, of race, color, creed of religion, starting from scratch, changing his name and avoiding the spotlight, his humble nature making his past a great hidden mystery, can with mere platitudes and promise, rise to the most powerful position in the world and fuck things up so badly within just 4 years.
It's that kind of opportunity made America Great
Look for a UNITED Islamic Fundie multi stae political union soon.
It's called the caliphate -it was and will be again, Allah and Obama willing.
Just remember: The Brotherhood's credo was and is, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."[9][10] Its most famous slogan, used worldwide, is "Islam is the solution."[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_brotherhood
With all due respect, cougar_W, not having a Middle East policy is a policy...a policy of apathy, naivete, or naive apathy.
Our middle east policy has been in ruins for a half a century.
you mean supporting dictators, over throwing elected presidents, stealing resources, unlimited support of Israel didn't pay off; according to the MSM everything is a-OK
don't confuse americans with historical facts
"Middle Eastern policy is a thankless task for America...etc."
All of this is garbage. Millions are dead since PNAC, "Clean Break" etc., and the Arabs are supposed to act grateful? What planet are these reporters on? Is it brainwashing, or are they just dumb?
"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world." That statement is so twisted on so many levels you could write an essay. Or maybe a song. The agenda has been around for decades -- centuries, really. Obama is just another face, like Osama. "Naked hatred is raging against a country that many people in the world regard as a symbol of freedom." Arrrgh.
I humbly submit that they need to get out of there, stop trying to run the rest of the world, and focus on their own problems of too much government and too much debt. Everything they do compounds crisis. It's time for a little good old fashioned MORALITY.
And all for the mistaken belief paraphrased by a comedian as:
" How did our OIL get under their sands?"
Forward!
Obama's presidency is in ruins.
He 'apologizes' that he 'inherited this crisis'... & would like to re-affirm that he will be 'more stronger' in his next term...
You needn't worry about building anything during that time because the government will do that for you... & after that term you will FINALLY be proud of your country...
JFK: Ich bin ein Berliner
Obama: I am a jelly donut
I am a piece of fried dough with a heart of jelly
But if the election was today, he would EASILY win.
i think he will win anyway....i will be very suprised if ryan wins...i mean rohmney wins.
Too late, the stock rally is already over.
It is just math - BHO has a decent lead in Florida. It will be VERY difficult for him to lose the election if he wins Florida.
As he sings, "So in love with you ...."
Aaaaand pull out........NOW.
that's what she said
Too late,you said.
And... that's why I have 5 kids.
I cant see how anyone can give this clown 4 more years. Not like we have a better choice with the repubicans.
70% of Romney's foreign policy team is from the Bush administration. Pick your poison.
Actually, 100% of it is from the Bush admistration, as is O'bomb-a's.
Just think - If / When (??) Barry O gets re-elected, then he's assured another four years, and since he's not worried about re-election "promises" it'll be an opportunity for the "gloves to come off" and we'll all see what his backers plans really entail . . . .
Probably exactly the same "plans" as the opposition would have had, seeing as they're ALL funded by the TBTF Brigade in Wall Street and the City of London.
Face it folks, we're ALL royally screwed no matter WHO sits in the Oval Office. Just a matter of time . . . . . .
No kidding. But remember '04.
Apparently, the "Red Pill" is making the rounds within Arab nations.....
More drones damn it!
Zee Germans are not onboard With Barry O?
Wow, nobody saw that one coming...LOL.
The Spiegel guys are probably not on the daily conference call between the White House and reporters on what to talk about and not talk about that day.
Seems that the guys from The Independent are not on it either.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-o...
Funny when you have to go to the foreign press to find out what's going on in the US.
but there was soooo much ephohria and joy on the BBC reports from his campaign speech in Berlin about 4 years ago
Don't they know. You're only allowed to storm an embassy if Julian is in there.
But he won the Nobel Peace Prize.....
Bernanke should join Milton F. as a Nobel price winner in economy. Which one of them did more to plunder from the many and give it to the few?
Whereas Obama's South and Central American policy is doing much better. At least they're not killing us over there...yet.
BATF is in so. america for their version of fast & furious.
"Naked hatred is raging against a country that many people in the world regard as a symbol of freedom.
Many SHEEPLE you mean?
Titties and beer should calm those fuckers down.
Cargo plane full of Playboy magazines dropped all over the place. Now that would be funny.
Add some bra, panties and inflatable dolls too...
Ok, this is meant as a joke but the whole package could pacify that crowd really well and fast.
But please not iPhones with internet access, that would make things only worse.
Looks like CHICAGO over there
Chicago(at least the hoodlums) are much better armed
Obama should do promos for "Oscar Meyer", he is great at sucking "tube steaks"!
What would a "succesful" mideast policy look like then?
Some would say:
http://youtu.be/6pvIrCYdmL8