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Germany Rejects Geithner, ECB Refuses To "Print", Greece Gets Final Warning

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Looks like no more official trips for G-Pap anywhere very soon:

  • ECB'S WEIDMANN-IT IS WRONG TO ABANDON ALL PRINCIPLES OF MONETARY POLICY BY CITING A GENERAL EMERGENCY-SPIEGEL
  • GERMAN CSU HEAD - IF GREECE CAN'T OR WON'T KEEP TRACK WITH RESCUE PLAN THAN AN EXIT FROM THE EURO ZONE IS CONCEIVABLE-SPIEGEL

More from Reuters:

European Central Bank Governing Council member Jens Weidmann told Germany's Spiegel magazine in an interview he considered it wrong to "throw out all established principles of monetary policy by citing a general emergency."

 

In a preview of an interview to be published in the new edition of Spiegel, Weidmann, head of the Bundesbank, said: "Once people start to use monetary policy there will always appear to be reasons suggesting it should continue to be used."

Abd:

The leader of Germany's Christian Social Union (CSU), part of Chancellor Angela Merkel's centre-right coalition, reiterated in an interview with Germany's Spiegel Magazine that Greece might have to leave the euro zone if it failed to meet conditions set by the European Union, European Central Bank and International Monetary Fund.

 

"If the Greek government and parliament can't or won't keep to the path then we shouldn't wait for the financial markets to force us into accepting reality. Then an exit of Greece from the euro zone must be conceivable.

And in other official news, Germany officially slammed the door on Geithner's face:

Germany’s top two finance officials rejected using the European Central Bank to boost the euro-area rescue fund’s firepower, rebuffing a suggestion by U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

 

Inviting Geithner to a euro meeting for the first time, European finance chiefs who wrapped up two days of talks in Wroclaw, Poland, today also said the 18-month debt crisis leaves no room for tax cuts or extra spending to spur an economy on the brink of stagnation.

 

The German stance risks leaving the euro area without sufficient means to prevent the crisis from engulfing Spain and Italy. Geithner floated a variation of a 2008 policy he developed while at the New York Federal Reserve that would expand the reach of the 440 billion-euro ($607 billion) European Financial Stability Facility using leverage in a partnership with the ECB, said Irish Finance Minister Michael Noonan. 

 

The EFSF’s sole purpose is the financing of states and that’s in order as long as it’s done via the capital market,” Bundesbank President Jens Weidmann told reporters today. “If it’s done via the central bank it constitutes monetary state financing,” which is forbidden under European Union rules.

"Luckily" for the US middle class, adhering the rules never stopped Timmy-G before...

But the biggest slap down is not that of Pinocchio, but of Bernanke himself:

Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker, who chairs meetings of euro region finance ministers, said yesterday: “We’re not discussing the increase or the expansion of the EFSF with a non-member of the euro area.” Instead, the ministers recommitted to a July 21 decision to empower the fund to buy bonds in the secondary market, offer precautionary credit lines and create a bank-recapitalization facility.

 

We don’t think that real economic and social problems can be solved by means of monetary policy,” said German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble, speaking alongside Weidmann after the meeting of EU finance ministers and central bank governors. “That has never been the European model and it won’t be.”

Funny: does Bernanke realize that Europe just mutinied? What happens if the head USD printer suddenly decides to shut down those expanded swap lines after all.

 

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Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:23 | 1679787 vast-dom
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I have this funny feeling shit is about to get really ugly on the 20-21st........

 

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:35 | 1679838 ww2vet
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bs--this warning will be followed by ANOTHER warning etc-game will never end djia new all time high this time next year

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:40 | 1679855 max2205
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This is your final final final.....final warning. Can YOU hear me!?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:44 | 1679869 centerline
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I really, really, really mean it this time!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:52 | 1679902 Barb Dwire
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Double secret probation...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:04 | 1679937 TwelfthVulture
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It's like having a teenager who won't leave his room.  All he does is sit in there playing video games.  And the punishment offered is to ground him.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:23 | 1679987 Pinefox
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Remove the video games and gadgets from the room!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:55 | 1680050 Spirit Of Truth
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 Breaking News 

More: Greek media reports PM cancels US trip because of the gravity of his country's financial crisis - AP 

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BTW, we are in mass panic window: 

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/09/autumn-panic-update-will-ci...

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:01 | 1680061 AldousHuxley
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that sucks, because US had an African immigrant maid all ready to press fake rape charges against him in order to swiftly replace him with someone else.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:14 | 1680091 bid the soldier...
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Is gravity stronger in Greece than it is here?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:20 | 1680104 Dapper Dan
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Should I not get the extended warranty on my new truck, or is it bad enough that I not worry about getting green bannanas?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:01 | 1680063 Hulk
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Make them go outside and play. Worse than waterboarding to a teenager...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:49 | 1680146 unky
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Maybe in the U.S.  Here its just great.  Meet your friends and drink in the park.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:46 | 1680140 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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The sin of self abuse still trumps the punishment ...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:08 | 1679950 Earl of Chiswick
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Dear German holidaymakers:

please carry on with your plans to visit Greece next spring, all this talk of expulsion is for optics only

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:14 | 1679961 GeneMarchbanks
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Next year Croatia joins, so no worries...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:17 | 1679968 Doña K
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The Greeks are getting another warning via Turkey!

The banksters control. If you don't shape up, we will unleash Turkey against you.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g2fSZzpaJdPyyBE8EwJSvkgFEjEw?docId=3f22562792aa4871a22c8ea5baf3331d

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:53 | 1680051 Albertarocks
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Right on... a food fight.  Lots of turkey and greece.  I hope everybody's hungary.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:10 | 1680083 bid the soldier...
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Thanksgiving's coming.

What are YOU thankful for this year?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 22:28 | 1681109 CompassionateFascist
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ZH. And my hoard of Silver Eagles.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 19:24 | 1680765 markam
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The hungary made that pun.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:28 | 1680111 SofaPapa
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This would be a beautiful Black Swan, no?  

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 20:42 | 1680859 BungaBunga
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A black swan and a deer in the headlines during a perfect storm.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:17 | 1679969 Jumbotron
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You just wait until your Father gets home.

Oh...wait....sorry....right.....I'm a single mother.

You just wait until your step-father gets home...and....

Wait....sorry...er....he's not your step-father as well.

You just wait until my pimp gets here.....that's right my P.I.M.P. bitch

and his name is Ben Bernanke.  And he'll....he'll....aw hell....what am I saying....

He'll backstop anything. 

Go ahead with your 35 day nude sabbatical to the Santorini beaches.  Mommy will be right here when you get back.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:27 | 1679991 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Wait till your father gets home (1972) opening titles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecQkZ_xIQJQ

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:33 | 1680120 EvlTheCat
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I think you are mistaking Germany with the U.N.. Bad idea.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:39 | 1679851 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The solstice; how ironic.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:44 | 1679875 GeneMarchbanks
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And Autumn at that. Better known as Fall. You know, when things start dying...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 20:35 | 1680848 tekhneek
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Where I'm from, things started dying a long, long time ago.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:53 | 1679905 Thorny Xi
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Equinox ...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:56 | 1679916 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Right...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:27 | 1679994 Oh regional Indian
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More like Equi Kicks this time around.

And they don't do these things without good reason and better timing.

ORI

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:42 | 1680024 Ancona
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Hey, I think you folks have got something here! Let's call the Druids! Maybe they can save us after all!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:21 | 1680191 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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What do you think they do in the Bohemian's Grove?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 01:15 | 1681358 IQ 145
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The equinox; equality can't be bad for everyone; can it ?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:59 | 1679924 TwelfthVulture
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In a rational world it would. 

Unfortunately, we seem to occupy some space between bizzaro world and the twilight zone.  Given the rash of horrible economic news these past few weeks and combined with the Euro mess, if the floor under the market were removed, things should devolve rather quickly and the potential to spin completely out of control would be huge.  On the other hand, it may be hard to justify QEn/Twist or any further spending with a 1200 S&P and a 12,000 Dow.

I'm expecting another can kicking.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:28 | 1679995 Fukushima Sam
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This is a funny quote from the post: "Once people start to use monetary policy there will always appear to be reasons suggesting it should continue to be used."

He is right, of course.  But it is funny because even though he knows this he does not understand it.

Dude, it is too late.  The monetary policy genie has already been let out of the bottle.  There is no getting it back in until everyone has made their ill-fated wishes and total destruction has ensued.

The only possible outcome is a monetary reset.  The only question is if it will take the path of hyperinflation before it is done.  Given human nature and the lessons of history this is the likely path.  Best to just accept that and plan accordingly.  The monetization will happen and I think if you try to prevent it then you are just prolonging the suffering.  If you want to do the right thing then you need to focus on making the reset happen sooner than later, not continue to play the existing game by it's flawed and broken rules.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:44 | 1680135 L G Butz PhD
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First, saying that a monetary reset is the only outcome is just poppycock. Besides, that's jumping way ahead of reality. What's the big hurry? Have you really no idea of what stage we're in and of the tools still available to them? Really, what a waste of a perfectly good tactical nuke, and on Europe no less.

No, this is just bargaining over how much debt the creditors forgive, how they apportion debt forgiveness amongst themselves, and what form this debt forgiveness will take. Based on what happened to little Timmy recently, I doubt they'll be calling it the Geithner Accord.

Even though it's too early in the game for your monetary reset, you DO get points for expressing the thought, whether it was originally yours or not, as I am interested keenly in the workings of that particular machine.

If you step back and think about all that needs to happen for enough of the major G-20 players to believe that such a reset is in their best interest, i.e., what they get as valued through their perceived position at the game table, well, it's quite an exercise.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 20:52 | 1680874 i-dog
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"their perceived position at the game table"

That's where the argument gets bogged down and inaction/deadlock takes over. Each party has an inflated opinion of their own self-importance.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 20:54 | 1680878 Calmyourself
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Exactly and unitl each of them feel the reset is the upside this will continue for much, much longer than most think.

If your power is unlimited and the bankers power is that, the toolbox is still half full and they are more desperate than ever.  The more I see them act to ensure the survival of a flawed system the more I begin to agree with those pushing for acceleration of the reset..

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 22:33 | 1681118 Fukushima Sam
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I can't take credit for the thought, history is my guide.  Historians have documented the end of fiat money and economists have pointed out the problems with fiat money for over a hundred years.

I agree that no one will agree willingly to a reset because it will have to get much worse before it makes sense to the people in charge.  Meaning that they see guillotines in their future, or the velocity of inflation has built to the point that their commerce becomes impossible.

This is why hyperinflation is the only likely path to a reset.  We will only reset when there is no other option.  Such events usually either result in or are the end result of civil strife or war.  So a reset is in the best interests of the general populace (who don't want war or inflation), but certainly not in the best interests of the powers that be (who don't give a shit about sending their people to war and can benefit the most from inflation).

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:28 | 1679997 HCSKnight
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Greece = Bear Sterns. So in little Timmy's fantasy world, like taxes, he's technically not lying when he says they wont let another Lehman occur.

The question now is who is the Lehman....

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:46 | 1680031 espirit
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"Grease" is pretty slippery, keep that in mind.

Threat to not bail, threat to default = buy the rumor, sell the news.

Bring on the endgame.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 20:52 | 1680875 wisefool
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We joke here about timmy and his tax troubles, but I am of the opinion he did it intentionally. Keynes said that taxes are unessecary. he said that the only intellectual pursuit with any reward is the avoidance of taxes.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/1346.html

Timmy avoided his taxes. That shows he is an intellectual. He was also rewarded for it. If he did not do it, would he be a true keynesian?

Doesn't Tyler make us burn our hands with boric acid before he alows us to be part of fight club?

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 00:27 | 1681302 StychoKiller
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Lye != boric acid

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:41 | 1680020 DavosSherman
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Banks & Buzzcuts on Greek Soverign === FUGLY

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:54 | 1680052 oldman
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Nothing has changed. The EU has said this all along. I´ve been reading this blog for six months now and have asked several times anyone to give me a reason why the euro is considered weaker than the dollar by people in the US when it obviously has not been----no European has seriously believed that the common currency would fail; all of the noise has come from the msm in the US for propaganda in favor of the dollar. For Europe the best thing that ever happened was the Euro beginning in the late 70´s----they have become the world´s largest economy since then whether measured in Euros or dollars.

Why is this news? We really need to get out of our jet fighters and bombers and get with the program the rest of the planet is on---we need to get out more, period---it´s just too crazy at home.

Anyway, I voted green for your looking ahead

thanks for your post, vast             om

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:03 | 1680067 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The US wants a weak dollar not a strong dollar. Everybody wants to have a weak currency. That's how the debt backed monetary system in decline works.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:35 | 1680126 vast-dom
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you are very welcome oldman. 

 

there's no country for anyone at the rate we're going.................

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 15:40 | 1680251 St. Deluise
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once a date is set/known it will be acted on immediately.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:22 | 1679789 Caviar Emptor
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Strong arming Greece with a threat to eject from the Euro gravy train

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:26 | 1679807 Stoploss
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Now we know why the bank sell off in europe friday afternoon. I didn't want to be long thru the weekend either.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:08 | 1679951 DeadFred
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And this weekend the market is at the top of the easy trading range, not the bottom. 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:16 | 1679966 eisley79
Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:42 | 1680022 richard in norway
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which is why i took a chance and shorted the dax  at the very last minute, hoping for bad news over the weekend

 

i'm such a vulture

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:16 | 1679965 eisley79
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.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:09 | 1679952 tom a taxpayer
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Gypsies pickpocket Geithner: shocking photo!

The Polish TMZ aired an incredible photo of gypsies picking the pocket of U.S. Treasury Secretary Geithner as he stood outside the main railway station in Wroclaw, Poland. Geithner did not report the crime to Polish police, nor did he report the loss of billions of U.S. taxpayers money to the American consulate in Poland. Surveillance cameras showing Geithner whistling and winking at the gypsies by the railway station have sparked rumors that Geithner was "soliciting pickpockets". Asked for comment, Ron Paul promised Congressional hearings on allegations that Geithner allowed European gypsies to pickpocket billions of dollars.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wroclaw_Central_Station.JPG

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:23 | 1679986 Moe Howard
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I have taken a train from that station, I did not see gypsies!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:49 | 1680039 americanspirit
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They were not picking his pockets, they were checking to see if he actually had balls.

Nope.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:40 | 1680017 candyman
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If this is true ...WOW what a bitch slap to the US and a major pivot away from this disaster Timmay and Bernake engineered. We dont need no stinking advice from you.  The chairs on the Titanic are now being rearranged.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:25 | 1679801 Careless Whisper
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they lie

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:25 | 1679803 johngaltfla
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Fan, meet the shit. It's about to hit.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:26 | 1679808 Caviar Emptor
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Not to worry. US sending C-17s loaded with Benjamins in time for the open. 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:35 | 1679840 navy62802
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If those C-17s returned with pallets of gold bullion, I think that'd be a good trade.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:26 | 1679810 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Rules? What happened? After already bailing out illegaly via ECB they now pump up "adhere the rules" to the US?

Funny!! Damnit, short on popcorn again!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:23 | 1679959 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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All us gold bugs on ZH should agree to meet in Greece 2 years hence. Heck - utter the magic password (fidelio) and you'll be allowed into my secret underground brothel right in the heart of athens under the acropolis where desperate greek chicks are only too happy to do anything you desire of them! Later we can go round town and watch those over 50 greeks actually working - yes working! - for a living, cleaning tables, shining shoes etc etc - when they expected to be living off handouts from forigners for the rest of their lives!! get your popcorn ready for that!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:42 | 1680015 tip e. canoe
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this comment illustrates exactly why some see that freegold, gold standard (or whatever you want to call it) will not be anything but indentured servitude for 99% of the people on the planet, just like it is now.

let me be the first to say to take your popcorn & shiny rocks and put them where they belong, up your fuckwad asshole.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:50 | 1680041 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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As long as I'm all right, thats the main thing.

If you can't aford any bullion ask your boss for some overtime. I'm sure those floors of the brothel your mother works in could do with an extra shine.

If you want to save the world go put on a rainbow t shirt, hug a tree, and kiss a bum...and I'll go play with my bullion!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:04 | 1680073 bid the soldier...
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Don't you have to give your bullion a rest when it gets flaccid?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:48 | 1680097 tip e. canoe
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thanks for proving my point more clearly than i could ever have done, bub.   and good lookin out on the tips but i have already all the gold one could ever need:

http://syedakbarindia.blogspot.com/2011/04/quantity-of-gold-in-semen-dec...

but knock yourself out playing with your lucre, i understand that some of us need to overcompensate to make up for deficiencies in other areas.   just leave the rest of us alone to live out our 'poverty' in peace.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 16:17 | 1680373 Lord Welligton
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So the purpose of you holding bullion, if indeed you do, is not that you desire sound money or that you are concerned about the collapse of fiat society.

It is that you want to be the slave master.

Why don't you get a job with JPM and cash in just before the collapse.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 17:19 | 1680551 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Because JPM is too hard to get into. I agree with the old agage, if you can't beat em join em. But I can't join em so I'm going to beat them.

Yeh, sure people who leave fiat in insolvent banks deserve everything thats coming to them; and you can be damn sure I'm going to put myself on the right side of whats coming.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 03:28 | 1681433 ciscokid
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Great, I will have a golden ASS.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:34 | 1681901 tip e. canoe
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fyi, i wasn't referring to you unless you're one of the nimrods who voted green for this troll's adolescent fantasies of using his newfound "wealth" to exploit other human beings.   it's really amazing that most seem to equate that with goldbashing, when it's the same argument that smiddywesson makes here on a daily basis.

funny how critical thinking is gained only when there's nothing left to lose, isn't it?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:41 | 1680131 Shirley Wilfahrt
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LOL

It is fucks like you like that will be among the FIRST to swing.

Now that will be a party!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 17:21 | 1680555 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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who knows who'll swing - bullion holders are well positioned to benefit and protect themselves from whats coming. I presume you're advocating some kind of autocratic government that confiscates bullion and punishes holders, redistributes wealth etc etc. I can't begin to tell you how pathetic I find that.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:27 | 1679813 Joebloinvestor
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What a bunch of shit.

The Eurocrats will give the US the two handed salute.

They will flip us off with one and have the other outstretched.

Let ECB print its' way out.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:02 | 1680066 Rodent Freikorps
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Just like an ex-wife.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:28 | 1679815 Silverhog
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It will be shit only, Greece can't afford a fan.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:42 | 1679856 Manthong
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Yeah, but the shit will be reclassified as an asset and there is enough of it around to keep all of Europe afloat.

Nowadays bankers are nothing more that manure brokers.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:51 | 1679896 Bam_Man
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The Greeks will hand it to the ECB as collateral for more emergency loans.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:29 | 1679816 Cdad
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Sweet!  It's Wall Street rumor unwind day.  Of course, most understood this would be the case...now that options were unloaded at "historically RICH valuations."

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:37 | 1679841 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Greece gets final warning of what?  That they won't get a bailout?  That the money printers won't share their precious paper?

The system is so far gone that people STILL believe that paper has any value.  Paper is an IOU, and you can't eat IOUs.

The world will not end if the system goes under, it will begin anew.  It will be fresh in the face of reality.  Sure, there will be a lifestyle change, which means Americans will have to get off of their sofas, and retirement will be spoken as a once in a lifetime event, but it will be better for the community. 

And there will still be opportunity for entruepanuers, if not more than now; once the banks get out of the middle, there will be more room for growth.

Give up your blood soaked dollars!  Trade them for silver!  End the system!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:17 | 1680096 Spastica Rex
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Retirement will be a once in a lifetime event called Soylent Green.

FTFY

The unemployed taste just like chicken.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 20:30 | 1680842 Jumbotron
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Nabisco Chicken In A Biscuit

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:36 | 1679843 Yancey Ward
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I think Greece may have been told "No" yesterday, but the Germans and the French don't want that to be generally known yet.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:40 | 1679857 oldmanagain
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Funny, a day after half the world backed the Euro and banks.  Things were going so good before.  

Granted there is some validity to questioning more derivatives to cure a derivative problem.  But Germany does need exports or it will resemble Greece.

I do find it particularly stupid to blame Bernanke and Mr. G. for the mess we are in.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:49 | 1679889 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Blame ourselves, blame others, don't blame anyone, whatever floats us to the banks of the great shore.  It is the Zionist Bankers, it is the Protestant Industrialists, it is the Kings of Europe, it is Lizard People, whatever.  We just need to understand that what we are doing is not working and that we need to change the way we live.

A changing climate has NOTHING to do with the fact that we are polluting the shit out of our world, and we only have one earth.  Printng fiat has nothing to do with growth and it is obvious, except to jaded ignoramuses. 

There is no hope-  There is nothing outside of our own actions that can determine the change.  We must act.  We must be the change we want.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 22:26 | 1681102 Bringin It
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Warning.  Secretive appologist campaigne alert.

Re. I do find it particularly stupid to blame Bernanke and Mr. G. for the mess we are in.

Why would anyone not beholden to Bernanke and Mr. G. - The MAESTRO!! ... say such a thing?

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:45 | 1679860 uno
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love to hear Pinocchio's cursing rant after the bitch slap, watch your back Germany - you may get labeled a terrorist state

DHS probably adjusting their videos to German born Middle-class citizens

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:42 | 1679861 digalert
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WTF is the United States Treasurer doing with these foreign basket cases? Shouldn't the Geethner be looking out for his own ass?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:50 | 1679893 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Geithner works for the Illuminatti.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:43 | 1679866 cabtrom
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And as an American citizen who lives at my Mommy's house, WHY should I give a shit?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:51 | 1679897 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Because soon you will be living in a cardboard box unless you pick yourself up off the dusty basement floor.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:05 | 1679942 flacon
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Luxuary. 

When we got home our dad would slice us in two with a bread knife. 


Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:44 | 1679871 azengrcat
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GEITHNER DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PRICE STABEELEETEE HOMEBOY!!!  

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:44 | 1679872 caerus
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“We don’t think that real economic and social problems can be solved by means of monetary policy,”

et tu, bernank?

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:44 | 1679873 max2205
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I see a copy of PRINTING FOR DUMMMIES by Benbernack in the ECU trash can.

This won't play well with the Bilderbacks or who ever they are

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:52 | 1679901 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Ordo ab chao

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:08 | 1679949 flacon
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Exactly. The "Saul Alinsky" rules of the game of chess is played this way: POUND THE TABLE AS HARD AS YOU CAN WITH BOTH FISTS. When all the pieces fly up in the air, rearrange them to your advantage - or just simply take them out of play. We call that action "Price STABILITY". 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:46 | 1679879 H H Henry P P P...
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You can't put out a greece fire, you just gotta let it burn off.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:20 | 1679958 Long-John-Silver
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There's a good chance the entire house burns down around it. Then it could spread to neighbouring houses too. The next thing you know the entire town is gone.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 21:37 | 1680987 My Days Are Get...
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Someone is finally make sense.  look at my photo.  That is a bonfire.  Not of the vanities. But, of forest debris and slash when I cleared 5 acres of old pasture in Vermont.  Once such a fire gets going, nothing will stop it - it burns until the fuel is exhausted and then it dies a very slow death. Once a pyramid of 30 feet of hardwood and stumps gets seriously burning, it will burn for 1 week.  Nothing will stop it - like torrential rain or snow.  In fact, the only time you burn is when it rains or snows.  The red hot coals are two feet deep - sometimes more.

Once Greece is no longer associated with the Euro, the credits will burn until no one wants them anymore. At that point, market value will be achieved.

Too many confuse the destruction of an asset with the reimbursement of the lose.  The banks' assets in Greece will degrade to a low value.  The  bank's homeland may cover that lose.  But, the investment object has been devalued, just like spend fuel or coals in a fire.  Once the fire is out, all that remains is some charred wood and ash.

Fire is a purifier.  Once incinerated, all putrefaction is cleansed - nothing of substance remains.

Then, everyone has to start over - both the debtors and the creditors.

 

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:48 | 1679885 Bam_Man
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Don't kid yourselves, Schaeuble's comments are sweet music to Bernanke's and Timmeh's ears. Anything that drives the Dollar lower will put a smile on both their faces.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:49 | 1679890 High Plains Drifter
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what's up with the christine lagarde spray on suntan bullshit?  

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:51 | 1679899 Yancey Ward
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She looked like John Boehner in drag.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:56 | 1679909 Bam_Man
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You beat me to the Boehner comment. It works so well for Angelo too that she figured she'd give it a try.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:51 | 1679898 RichardRoma
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We've supposeldy only got until Dec 2012 until the end of the world which explains the 110% yield (higher for believers- http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GGGB1YR:IND) vs. 10 year rate (non-believers- http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GGGB10YR:IND).

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:52 | 1679903 kahunabear
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Just give the Greeks what they want and need! Give them more money! Give us all more money and Victory Gin so we can all raise our glasses and toast to our great Oceania!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:52 | 1679904 Fate
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With =/-40% unemployment among young men in Greece, staying in the Euro is, for G-Pap, shortly gonna take a back seat to simply staying alive.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:55 | 1680054 espirit
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BoomBerg must be feeling the Greece fire in NYC, fears fiatsco anarchy coming soon to a city near you. 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:54 | 1679907 Segestan
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Leap2020 claims the Greek crisis is a western anglo-saxon fabrication, still others claim poor Greeks will be enslaved by a Fourth Reich of global banksters. Reality..... Capitalism vs Socialism vs .... Islam vs Christianity.... East vs West... poor vs Rich... black vs white.... greed vs truth....  Have Good Day.

 

http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-57-is-available-Global-systemic-crisis-Fou...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:54 | 1679911 Tic tock
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Sounds like the opening salvo's at the 'end of the currency battle'

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:54 | 1679912 hackettlad
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Legally there is no mechanism to expel any country from the Eurozone.  A country must leave voluntarily.  I wait with bated breath.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:55 | 1679914 ArkansasAngie
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It's called everything lower ... talking about a falling knife. 

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:56 | 1679915 equity_momo
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Got puts?
Got tangible assets?
Got cash flow?
Debt free?

Good , you got half a chance.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:00 | 1679925 Negro Primero
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Geithner tells euro finance ministers of damage caused to us from Europe. (No one seems to be actually listening? to him.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnzZ7F5K-W0&feature=player_embedded

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 03:29 | 1681434 Piranha
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this one was funny, by the small number of people paying attention to his speach its more like he invited himself to the meeting. Nobody cares what he has to say.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 12:59 | 1679926 D.O.D.
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So we will see if a Greek default is already "priced in", I think not...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:01 | 1680064 espirit
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Long way to go for a default, still have to make the threat. Then the negotiations for a write down on the debt go to the table.

Playbook SOP.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:04 | 1679931 ddtuttle
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The Euro MUST devalue to save the PIIGS, and posibly France.  It's the only way.  But you can't devalue the Euro with Germany in there.  Besides the Chinese and the USA don't want the Euro to devalue causing the Yuan and Dollar to go up.  However, if you split the EZ into two parts North and South, and the North leaves the Euro, the Euro is free to devalue releasing the pressure on the PIIGS and their banks.  Meanwhile Germany Holland Austria etc can join a Tuetonic Triumvirate, leave the EZ and issues a new curency taht doesn't devalue.

I belive this is called Plan C.

This is vastly superior to a world suddenly populated with Drachmans, Pesetas, Punts Francs and Lira.  If Greece is truly going to be kicked out, this would be the (vastly) superior solution.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:22 | 1679985 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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you're right...the real conflict of interest here seems to lie between germany and france...

france certainly seems to be in a faux good poition here...rahther they find themselves in le laverette with the huge german sausage barking up their rear...

No wonder Sarko is so pro US/bombing libia etc

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 17:02 | 1680504 DaBernank
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There is a strong tendency to adhere to "philosophy" over here in Europe, regardless of negative consequences and reality, until shit blows up, and then the extremists take over. Just look at history, it's happened time and again. The philosophy of the ECB hawks (if there are any left) could drive members to exit until they are only the "Northern" ECB minus all the PIIGS with a currency so strong that used BMWs would be the only ones selling because new ones would triple in price for the US and Southern Europe. The easiest thing to do is print and always has been especially in beggar-thy-neighbor currency war. The whole thing will be terribly interesting.

Disclosure: long gold and silver

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:03 | 1679936 Jim in MN
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Good thing they have the Greek youth practiced and ready to block streets etc. to keep the EU forces slowed down.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:04 | 1679938 marcusfenix
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so Europe is not magically fixed after all, whodda thunk? Monday ought to be interesting when all those Greek debt crises headlines return to the front...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:08 | 1679946 madgstrader
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the latest GEAB is out and its a must read:

Global Systemic Crisis: Implosive Fusion of Global Financial Assets

 

As anticipated by LEAP/E2020 since November 2010, and often repeated up to June 2011, the second half of 2011 has started with a sudden and major relapse of the crisis. Nearly USD 10 trillion of the USD 15 trillion in ghost assets announced in GEAB N°56 have already gone up in smoke. The rest (and probably much more) will vanish in the fourth quarter of 2011, which will be marked by what our team calls "the implosive fusion of global financial assets". It’s the two major global financial centers, Wall Street in New York and the City of London, which will be the "preferred reactors" of this fusion. And, as predicted by LEAP/E2020 for several months, it’s the solution to the public debt problems in some Euroland countries which will enable this reaction to reach critical mass, after which nothing is controllable; but the bulk of the fuel that will drive the reaction and turn it into a real global shock (1) is found in the United States. Since July 2011 we have only started on the process that led to this situation: the worst is ahead of us and very close!

 

Throws it straight back at the US

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:49 | 1680040 Optimusprime
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The trouble with LEAP/2020 is the uncritical enthusiasm for european "unity" at all costs.  It is not clear to me, at least, that the attack on national sovereignty that has accompanied the growth of this unity is in the final analysis a good thing. Humans are socially tribal in nature, and that is not a bad thing.  The "nation" is fundamentally the political expression of the tribes.  One of the problems with the US is its (arguably) "propositional" nature.  The US is not a nation, it is a state-imposed power structure ever since the War to prevent Southern secession, usually miscalled the "Civil War".

 

War is terrible; but there must be a better way to establish international harmony (even within Europe) than letting it be done by manipulative cosmopolitan bureaucrats.

 

LEAP seems to represent (by and large) the "French" take on things.

 

Definitely worth a read; I do not dispute this.  But--as with all things--read critically.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:10 | 1679954 mikmid
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All this gets curiouser and curiouser down the rabbit hole.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:17 | 1679970 Long-John-Silver
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The only thing you'll find in a rabbit hole is the main ingredient for Hasenfeffer.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:51 | 1680044 bid the soldier...
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mit schlag.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:49 | 1680147 Black Forest
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Nachschlag!

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:11 | 1680085 CrockettAlmanac.com
Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:17 | 1679972 Coldcall
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Bernanke should never have opened the us dollar spigot to the eurobanks in the first place. Let them go fucking bust and then lets see the pontificating from the euroturds.

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:42 | 1680132 buzzsaw99
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-1 but not for the reason you may be thinking. if you had a clue you wouldn't have made that comment so i refuse to explain myself. +1 for the bad attitude tho...

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:31 | 1679973 Threeggg
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Sounds like a major Ponzi scheme to me.........................

Under the program, the Fed provides dollars requested by the ECB. The ECB distributes that money to commercial banks in Europe. There's no cap on the dollars the Fed can provide. The Fed will receive euros to hold in return for the dollars and will get interest payments on the dollars it provides the ECB.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20110916p2g00m0bu063000c.html

 It's like swapping spit that's infected with mononucleosis !

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:21 | 1679982 catladdy
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gPAP-SMEARED: Suspicious cells

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:21 | 1679983 Earl of Chiswick
Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:23 | 1679984 GtownSLV
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Any effort by the US Treasury or FED to provide US dollars to these non-US organizations without congressional approval should be seen as acts of treason and prosecuted accordingly.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:28 | 1679996 Moe Howard
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The bernakster told congress those euro banks have branches in NY so it is within the rules of the Federal Reserve to give them money.

I saw him say it on Cspan. They have a special rule for everything, they are lawyers.

The best we can do if there is a revolution is hang them all, and have their mouths taped shut. 

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 22:51 | 1681157 CompassionateFascist
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No. Each naked bankster goes into a cage stuffed with hungry raccoons. Blythe last after watching all the others.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:29 | 1679999 bugs_
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watch out the germans used the word "final"

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:33 | 1680005 geno-econ
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The largest institution in greece with enormous investments in land and business is the Greek orthodox church. Lately they are doing a lot of praying while counting the gold content in those heavy crowns and crosses.

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 21:38 | 1680964 i-dog
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"enormous investments in land and business is the Greek orthodox church"

Thanks for that tidbit! ... That actually explains why it is Greece that is on the chopping block (rather than Portugal, Ireland, Spain or Italy).

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:38 | 1680006 Earl of Chiswick
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America's Cup live streams

ACWS is underway in Plymouth (last day Sunday for this event)

 

live feeds via youtube

finished for the day today but here are some links

24/7 streaming webcam of Plymouth race village

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7LgMTlTygg&feature=channel_video_title

link to live action when underway (otherwise defaults to the webcam)

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmericasCup

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:34 | 1680009 madgstrader
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Don't invite any tall girls: What 5ft5in Berlusconi demanded of man supplying girls for bunga bunga sex parties' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038571/Silvio-Berlusconi-5ft-5in-PM-demanded-bunga-bunga-party-girls-tall.html#ixzz1YESMSj1k
Sat, 09/17/2011 - 14:14 | 1680046 NuYawkFrankie
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Say what you will, the man certainly has taste.

In my book, it's a welcome change from the  insufferable sourpuss lard-ass's (Oh, hello Angela! Hi Hillary!) currently parading around on the world stage.

 

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:49 | 1680026 catladdy
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"Funny: does Bernanke realize that Europe just mutinied? What happens if the head USD printer suddenly decides to shut down those expanded swap lines after all."(TD's earlier closure)

The krauts know there is not a CHANCE Bennie will cut off the expanded swaps! They realize the JUNKIE Bennie/Beavis/GS/Dimon/Moniyhan, K street, wall st, & DC are

Let's dream a bit. Let's pretend we had a responsible Fed chief, prior to Sunday's currency open who "announces: Fed funds will be adjusted to 3% immediatedly"!!!!!!!!

I'm ready for it!

Sat, 09/17/2011 - 13:44 | 1680027 THE DORK OF CORK
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First principle of monetory policey - do not increase credit aggregates by 20% + per year ....................

Ireland via the AIB conduit had to pay out 1.5 billion euros to bank bondholders a couple of days ago....... and it will not stop.

That is why the edge of Europe is bleeding.............. the fiscal defecits are imported and the bank bond capital is exported.

Completely retarded statements from the Germans - see no evil hear no evil I guess.

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