Germany Wants New European Constitution: "There Are New Centers Of Power In The World."

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Germany wants to "reignite a debate over creating an EU constitution", Reuters reports, "to strengthen the bloc's ability to fight off financial troubles and counter-balance the rising influence of emerging economies". Guido Westerwelle noted that Germany EU leaders "need a new constitution... as there are new centers of power in the world." A key change that Germany wants for instance is an amendment to incorporate tighter regional oversight of government spending and allow the EU court of Justice to strike down Spain's a member's laws if they violated fiscal discipline. Here comes the 'Pro-Quo' to the Greek Bailout 'Quid'!

Reuters: Germany wants new debate on EU constitution: minister

(Reuters) - Germany wants to reignite a debate over creating an EU constitution to strengthen the bloc's ability to fight off financial troubles and counter-balance the rising influence of emerging economies, Germany's foreign minister said on Friday.




"We have to open a new chapter in European politics," Westerwelle told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Copenhagen. "We need more efficient decision structures."




"I think we have to reopen the debate about a European constitution again," he said. "We have a good treaty, but we need a constitution ... There are new centers of power in the world."


German government sources said representatives of several EU member states would likely meet in the next few weeks for talks.


Driven by public frustration over financial bailouts for debt-stricken states, Germany has fought hard over the last year to amend the EU's Lisbon Treaty, a watered-down version of the 2005 constitution proposal.


German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble had said in November that his country wanted to see changes to the EU's Lisbon Treaty by the end of 2012 in order to lay the foundation for a common fiscal policy in the bloc.


Germany argued that change was needed to enshrine tougher fiscal discipline and safeguard the bloc from further financial troubles.


For example, it wanted an amendment to incorporate tighter regional oversight of government spending and allow the European Court of Justice to strike down a member's laws if they violated fiscal discipline.


But Britain vetoed the plan in December in a row over safeguards for its financial sector. 


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Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:18 | 2241348 Ahmeexnal
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someone should put that sow down

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:21 | 2241369 spiral_eyes
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deutschland uber alles? deutschland unter alles? it doesn't really matter.

goldman sachs, goldman sachs, uber alles.

in better news:

nassim taleb endorses ron paul 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:29 | 2241395 hedgeless_horseman
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"We need more efficient decision structures."

Like a central treasury and....

.....wait for it.......


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:33 | 2241439 Manthong
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It just keeps getting better and better..

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:40 | 2241467 hedgeless_horseman
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"We have a good treaty, but we need a constitution keep gutting it to screw the people and protect the banks...but we promise we will probably not gut a constitution in the very same way...for at least a little while...because we have changed...really...this time will be different...we promise."

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:17 | 2241580 smlbizman
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i feel another episode of that awesome hitler clip from that movie in 5...4...3...2

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:32 | 2241622 Temporalist
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Merkel was taken out of context and it was poorly translated. Here is a better clip of her speaking to the Greeks in plain English:

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:24 | 2241749 Dugald
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Ja! Ein Volke ein Reich, ein Bank, ja mein Führer werden wir gewinnen ..... endlich

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:08 | 2241869 Harbanger
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Keine Sorge, alles läuft nach Plan geht.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:43 | 2242107 i-dog
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Indeed. Europe's 14th Amendment coming up next. Bye-bye powers of the states.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:44 | 2241483 battle axe
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"Take the Panzers and Stukas out of storage, the Fourth Riech has finally come." Christ, that kind of thinking has never worked out for the Germans.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:13 | 2241572 The Reich
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Hope dies last!

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:13 | 2242633 Ahmeexnal
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Last time it ended with the Prussian Nights.

Will the greeks do the same?

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:06 | 2241708 JR
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But it sure has worked out well for the international bankers.

In his acceptance of the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1970, Solzhenitsyn quoted a Russian proverb that summarized his creed:

"One word of truth shall outweigh the whole world."

He may have despised Soviet communist rule, but he came to loathe the West's "smug hedonism" as well and the revised history spewed by it's media propaganda machine. Of course, America's controlled media lost no time in portraying him as "bigoted."

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:47 | 2241957 Reese Bobby
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Would you expect a Christian have use for either?

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 11:47 | 2243051 4horse
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but nobel was only the beginning . . .
smug hedonism being the least of it


and most certainly not why he's long since  l o s   d e s p a r a c e i d o s . . .
e r a s e d


T h e  B a n k
as you no doubt know


T H E  B A N K

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 11:21 | 2243025 4horse
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German . . . ?

. . . that kind of thinking has never worked out for the Germans.


cause, WWI WWII, this is as much german as the fed is american

rothschild.oppenheimer.schiff.warburg . . .


Whatever Works

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 22:03 | 2242158 CharlieBitMe
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 "There Are New Centers Of Power In The World." ... like Berlin. Where have we heard that one before. No Maginot line this time unfortunately.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 13:09 | 2243152 Greyhat
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Anti-German bullshit. We try to protect our rightly owned wealth. No more, not less.

The greeks had their party on credit, now its their bill, so what?

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 16:15 | 2243527 Ahmeexnal
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You had your wars on credit. Then refused to pay the bill. And now you come in as a fucking high priest of rectitude and demand of the greeks to do something you would never consent to were it applied to you?

"rightly owned wealth" you claim? Why don't you spell it out truthfully? "WRONGLY STOLEN WEALTH".

Same as it has ever been.  People never change.

Once again you are at your same sociopathic global domination game.

This time, the whole world will put you down, wherever you might hide.

Even the rocks will cry out: "everyone come, there is a kraut hiding under me!"


Sat, 03/10/2012 - 20:01 | 2243902 Greyhat
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Get a therapy and get a life.

All that heartland wars stuff was an anglosaxon game. We were just the unlucky ones beiing born into the border area.

If you deal in history you better read into the history of Bethlehem Steel for instance and then go diving into their ammu in the Lusitania wreck and check out who creditet the L&L deal. Learn to follow the money.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:15 | 2241576 Atlantis Consigliore
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more like Springtime....the jokes on us and our Obummer

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:20 | 2241590 Nussi34
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This will be interesting. In order to hand over more powers to the EUSSR, Germany needs to changhe or abolish its own constitution. For that kind of change they need a referendum.... I guess the Germans are really keen to share their wallets with PIIGS...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:34 | 2241920 Harbanger
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It's like 60+ years old already. I'm surprised it lasted this long.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:38 | 2241625 SWRichmond
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"goldman sachs, goldman sachs, uber alles."

Die Bankerlied (to the tune of "Die Panzerlied")

Whether it's bulls or bears

Whether the Fed shines on us

SPY's burning hot

Or TNX freezing cold

Drawn are our faces
But happy we are at Goldman
We're at Goldman
Our bonus roars ahead
Along with the storm wind

With smoldering computers

Fast as a backbone trade

The enemy engaging
With our frontrunning Supplemental Liquidity Providers

Come on comrades
In the battle, all alone
We stand all alone

That's how we make profit

With our Congress, our Regulators, and our White House

When an enemy short

Appears ahead of us
Full liquidity is given
And we close with the foe
What value then is their trade
To the owners of our nation
Yes owners of our nation
For to game Wall Street
Is the bankers' highest honour

With bond vigilantees

The enemy blocks our path
We laugh about it
And simply ignore them
And if we are threatened by investigations
Coming from the Internet
From the Internet
We find ourselves a dark pool
That no one else found

And if we are abandoned
By that unfaithful trade

And if we don't return
To the Hamptons again
If a dollar run strikes us down
If margin calls upon us
Yes margin calls upon us
Then for us the bank will be
An honorable grave

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 02:42 | 2242689 Grey-Ghost
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Apropos "deutschland uber alles?" = Hitler had Leni Riefenstahl:

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:38 | 2241465 bank guy in Brussels
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We are close to the end of Merkelism and this German EU-supervision nonsense. The revolt is already underway; Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the UK Telegraph is describing it pretty well.

We are past 'Peak EU' which was perhaps 2010 or so. With the Spanish revolt and others about to join, including likely France after Hollande wins the upcoming election, Merkelism will soon be finished.

They have temporarily pushed this thing onto the Greeks because the Greeks feel vulnerable in that far corner, so close to all the sh*t going on in the Middle East and Asia.

But it won't work in Western Europe, where the people-in-the-street revolutionary spirit will back rebellious governments. The anti-EU sentiment is building here in the Low Countries too.

The EU will become more as Nigel Farage sees it - a trade etc. association, not a violation-of-sovereignty machine.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:52 | 2241516 reload
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Lets hope you are right. But those fuckers in Brussels at the EU commission building will hang on to the bitter end, without a care for the chaos that their inept dream of political utopia continues to cause for the vast majority of Europeans.

And Speaking of Farage - he is on tour in the UK holding open political meetings. Something NO other political party does here. I went to one last night, capacity crowd, lots of curious attendees as well as the faithful. I think he is just getting into his stride, but most people here still dont know who he is. 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 22:35 | 2242231 i-dog
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UKIP should run short clips of some of his classic demolitions of Barroso and Rumpelstiltskin in the European parliament as paid advertisements.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:03 | 2241548 Spacemoose
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greece is merely this era's spanish civil war ...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:34 | 2241634 NotApplicable
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I don't think you're thinking this through far enough.

The revolt is the next part of the drama to ensure the EU will never disband.

Without this reaction, then how can they react in order to save it all?

As always, it's just Hegel's one-page playbook.

The dissolution of the EU is no more likely than one attempted in the US 150 years ago.

Why? Because centralized power cannot survive intact in a decentralized environment. TPTB simply must maintain it, else they lose their raison d'etre.

As I'm sure you're well aware, there is nothing "new" about the proposed constitution. It's the same form of enslavement they've been trying to dupe people into accepting for years. So look what they did instead, they've bankrupted everyone in yet another form of mutually assured destruction, so that there are no voices strong enough to resist.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 19:16 | 2241732 Die Weiße Rose
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go Angela Merkel !

 fuck off Ahmeexnal 

back into your padded cell...


Sat, 03/10/2012 - 12:22 | 2243075 4horse
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and this would accomplish . . .

out of the stye, aim higher


not at -His Impness. This Bzozowitch- merkozy


but, sow down, how The BigPig in its filthy londontown

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:18 | 2241349 GiantVampireSqu...
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"All your rights are belong to us"

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:39 | 2241647 illyia
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Squid, seems like an apt quote to drop this into. Sorry if this is an imposition. Very interesting read.

'Europaische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft'

Use this engine...

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 12:20 | 2243102 4horse
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thesquid pro quo maneuver is feudal

not futile


and, having done it before- Europe -as their collective, are effectively doing it again


next: us last bastion, West v East


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 21:00 | 2242010 Harbanger
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Isn't that true of any list of rights "given" by any Govt?  How about a list of rights Govts can't "take" away from us?   that's the essence of the US Constitution and it's incompatible with socialism.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 12:17 | 2243095 Kobe Beef
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Except when a socialist Activist Judiciary decides it can "interpret" the meaning of a "living document" and just make shit up as they choose.

Except when a socialist President decides he can execute whomever he chooses.

Except when a socialist Attorney General decides he can investigate/prosecute according to his political affiliations rather than the law itself.

Yeah except for those exceptions it's pretty incompatible with socialism. I sure wish we had a Constitution.

Nah, fuck it. 1,000 Americans with cans of gasoline marching down K-Street is far more effective than some 200-year-old piece of parchment anyway.

Lighters for Liberty!


Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:19 | 2241353 bugs_
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one center to rule them all

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:23 | 2241384 SheepDog-One
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And they said for years 'the new world order' was just fevered hallucinations of madmen conspiracy kooks.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:33 | 2241442 Moneyswirth
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No NWO here.  Just a fiscal, if not physical, annexation of a formerly sovereign colony, er, nation. 

Nothing to see here....

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:37 | 2241461 SheepDog-One
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Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:24 | 2241606 optimator
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And the same thing in clearer wording call the "Protocols" of one hundred years ago all coming together and happening.  No forgery there.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 18:35 | 2241638 NotApplicable
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Funny how that forgery is more accurate than the utterings of those who claim otherwise.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:31 | 2241397 SMG
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Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:20 | 2241359 Fidel Sarcastro
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Lemme guess: MillionDollarFuckTard loves this idea.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:33 | 2241441 brewing
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he'll be along shortly...

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:47 | 2241496 Tortfeasor
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He's been gone for months.  Happy trails.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 17:20 | 2241361 treemagnet
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Theres a new sheriff in town.

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 20:56 | 2241996 UP Forester
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Nottingham?  Why not?

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