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Gloating China Says "Has Every Right To Demand US Address Its Debt Problem", Asks For New Global Reserve Currency

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Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:23 | 1530378 Mongo
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icanhaszloty?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:06 | 1530537 FEDbuster
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Dollars. Spend 'em, if you got 'em.

Convert them to something real (food, gold, land, etc...)  The era of paper IOUs is over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GSXbgfKFWg

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:16 | 1530580 Atomizer
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Certain parties view the US economy as, "Drive it like you stole it." 

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:22 | 1530616 FEDbuster
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That's because they are stealing it.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 17:29 | 1531676 24KGOLD FOIL HAT
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The rotten scums are looting us b4 we go to austerity.  Wall St knew in 2003 we were goin down.  They are gettin while the gettin is good.  They issue large bonuses to each other.  They know the gravy train will soon end.

When we take over DC we will deputize about 400,000 unemployed veterans to hunt em down.  Each scum will have a prize, I mean bonus, I mean bounty of at least $100 NEWdollars.  Them vets deserve a bonus for each one they "locate."

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 18:30 | 1531812 sterling effort
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Can we have their pictures on a deck of cards like in Iraq?

I'll start; Blythe can be the Queen of Hearts and Benny can be the Joker.

First person to allocate the King of Spades to Barry gets to go to the naughty corner for a long long time.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:18 | 1530588 Ahmeexnal
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WAR

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:17 | 1530886 Bananamerican
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Fuck China

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:59 | 1531103 Bananamerican
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and fuck sinophiles....

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 14:19 | 1531213 Bananamerican
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and allow me to elaborate because THIS comment got 10 thumbs up down thread...

"Fuck China. Fuck trade agreements. Raise tarriffs now. I will be happy to pay a little more for MADE IN AMERICA, in fact I already do so when I can. But good luck trying to find anything made by Americans except financial fraud"

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 14:51 | 1531333 reader2010
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Marc Faber once said that only beer and prostitues are made in USA now. You've got to do your part, dude.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 15:34 | 1531351 Bananamerican
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I'm a welder bitch...

how bout you?

China is the Plantation state for the decadent western world

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 01:16 | 1532246 Ramboy
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Jewish and jewified  American girls now suck cock for 10 dorrar.  

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 16:54 | 1531613 monoloco
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Yeah, Fuck China, we financed their move into the first world by letting them have our manufacturing base then buying up all the cheap shit they could produce. Let them take the hit just like the rest of us.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 18:54 | 1531869 Pegasus Muse
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China calling the USA over-spenders is the pot calling the kettle black.  Bert Dohmen talks about China's own domestic currency over-printing and over- producing of materials just to keep its population from rioting.  He says China will implode.  Interview starts at about the 18:40 mark.   

http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/big-picture/2011/08/06/01/bert-dohmen/the-next-perfect-financial-storm

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 14:39 | 1531283 Shredd the FED
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Fuck israel

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 17:58 | 1531746 sun tzu
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Fuck Namibia

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 18:16 | 1531780 Bananamerican
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Fuck thongs on dudes

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 21:04 | 1532072 StychoKiller
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So, you're copacetic with the bowtie and cuffs then?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 18:23 | 1531795 Ramboy
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Let me tell you about the state of the American people.  they're like the dirty skank women in nyc who watch housewives of ny and say what a bunch of pathetic moneygrubbing sluts they are.  millions of american hillbillies watch the hills have eyes and albino farm and comment how retarded they are.  ONE WORD:  DENIAL.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:47 | 1532045 24KGOLD FOIL HAT
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-17...wonder what Asian citizens are klikin the red arrow?

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 02:35 | 1532306 HAL 9000
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I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:29 | 1530646 Two Towers AU AG
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The era gets over and we really will feel the pinch in interest rates when China ends up with a mandate that they dont trust western credit rating agencies  and any investment product has to be rated by Dagong ( or whatever their agency is called) to get any chinese investments into it.... that is the time we will see regular visits from members of the treasury and the fed to China trying to convince Dagong that US is still a AAA, AA+, AA- AA BB+..... over period of time.. with every incremental downgrade increasing the interest rate burden...

And history teaches us.. that sovereign creditors in international bonds are in for a different game.... remember the British Pound was the worlds reserve currency till the mid 1950's... that was till the day the USA stood up and said we are willing to lose ALL our investment made in the British Pound if that finishes your global regime and ends your control over the world as the reserve currency.. the action of the USA after that is history... The Pound, well it is only worth a Pound now..and the sun then set over the British empire

The point here is we should be worried how soon before China tells us they are willing to bear 1.5 trillion of losses in the treasury if that permanantly kills the USD as the reserve currency..

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:41 | 1530991 Tortfeasor
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This hits home for me.  I've been ruminating on how people don't understand that ratings agencies affect more than just US funds.  World-wide there are funds with investment restrictions that are being boxed out from spending cash on our treasuries.  Demand destruction is demand destruction, even if it starts as just a little bit at a time.

"How'd you go bankrupt."  "Two ways, gradually and then suddenly."  - Hemingway

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 17:42 | 1531708 11b40
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Zat right?  Well, then who buys their shit?  If the USA & Europe go into the crapper, the Chinese will be the toilet paper....and if we start putting on tarriffs, they are dead meat.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:26 | 1532007 aramsogo
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Doesn't work like that.  Are you actually asking who will buy their shit if they won't take our worthless paper and defaultable Treasuries????   They can sink the shit in the Pacific or bury it in the Gobi Desert.  The net economic impact is exactly the same if you are seriously asking this question.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 13:23 | 1533030 11b40
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No.  You are simply wrong.  It works exactly like that.

A major decline in exports means major hardship for a poor country with virtually no safety nets for a huge, marginal population.  China is vast.  Too many Americans go to Hong Kong, and now some of the major cities on the mainland, and think China is some giant, self-sustaining economic engine.

Meanwhile, their leadership knows the difference, and they are scared to death of popular uprisings from inflation on the one hand, and economic slowdowns on the other.  Either way, it has to do with putting food on the table in a billion homes, and keeping those homes heated in the winter.  We have 1/4 the number of people, and our economy is 5 times larger.

And, by the way, if suddenly our paper is worthless, their vast dollar reserves mean double trouble for them.  They MUST import most of the raw materials they consume....and have to pay for them with something.  If you are Australia, for instance, and you see great social unrest looming in China, just how eager are you to accept payment in their currency?

We have plenty to worry about, and we are just about f**ked up to the max, but among the major developed nations, we are still the best of a bad lot.  An argument could be made for Germany, but the have a very heavy stone around their neck called the EU.  Canada is in good shape now, but still a relatively small economy with substantial dependence on the US.........have a good weekend ;-))

Independent Contractor

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 14:44 | 1531307 DormRoom
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We're going to the Bancor, bitches.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 17:59 | 1531748 IQ 145
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Dollars; "smoke them if you got 'em"

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 19:50 | 1531959 Yen Cross
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   Can you write something of " value" if you are going to stomp on the threads of your Supposed Underlings" YOU TOOL!

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 21:03 | 1532069 Nikao7
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Who exactly crowned you moderator?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:27 | 1530388 DeadFred
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Water empires like Western civilization can only be brought down by external forces. The game is on.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:19 | 1530596 JLee2027
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What game? What empire?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:44 | 1530715 KeyserSoze
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Are you shitting me? "Water empires"? Do you mean the west is fluid? Erm no. The West is relatively the new boys in town in the global world. You want "fluid" look to China, India, Iran, even African tribal people have survived it all for thousands of years.

The West doesn't need an external force to destroy it, it will destroy itself, through its own excesses. All the while, the poorer and more astute rest of the world chugs on by.

P.S. The west doesn't have any resources left, no oil and gas. It is the west that will need to invade and steal from others to stay on top. And if it does so, it will find those "brown savages" will end up destroying them. As was prophesised.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:18 | 1530892 MarkS
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He probably means seafaring nations like the US.  Yes, China, India and Africa have survived for thousands of years - and are virtually in the same cultural state they were thousands of years ago...all of there advancement has come in the last few decades after being 'opened' by the West.  I'm not arguing that the West did 'good' only that the pace of advancement in the 'third world' is why we called it the third world.

P.S. - you're not just wrong on resources, you're stupidly wrong.  China has virtually no resources beyond rare earth metals.  India, can you name me their abundant raw materials?  Africa has resources and that is why the Chinese are trying to access them, but Africa is still a basket case that could not develop those resources themselves.

The Western Hemisphere is one of the few areas of the world that could actually be resource self sustaining with some of the largest natural gas and oil reserves known.  True, some of those resources are difficult to get a but there is also plenty of timber, arable farmland and other mining reources.

So, Will the West destroy itself througfh its own excess, maybe?  Then again maybe we just got a wakeup call we can't avoid.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 17:51 | 1531724 11b40
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Thanks for restoring a little sanity to the conversation, Mark.

China is totally dependent on the US and Europe to keep theri evermore rstless population in check.  Now that they have had a taste of freedom and properity, woe be unto the political class if that growth and expansion stop.  Given a few more years, they just might build a middle class that can sustain their growth internally, but, as you point out, they must import so many raw materials that they can't become comfortably independent in the foreseeable future.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 07:13 | 1532443 Pay Day Today
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"and are virtually in the same cultural state they were thousands of years ago...all of there advancement has come in the last few decades after being 'opened' by the West."

What a sad and inherently colonialist attitude. China, India and Iran had advanced technical and cultural civilisations while Europe was still living in an age of glorified barbarian tribes. That might also be the case in the future too, the way things are going.

By the way, China has one of the largest coal reserves in the world.

 

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 13:35 | 1533073 11b40
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Their coal is largely dirty, poor quality stuff....very little coking coal needed for industrial production, and last I checked, you can't eat it.

Yes, there were great Middle Eastern and India cltures, just as there were great Chinese cultures long, long ago.   Too bad for them, they coud not adapt and adjust as history passed them by.  That was then, this is now. 

You call it "a sad and inherently colonialist attitude", but you can't deny the validity of his statement.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:21 | 1530905 ipunchsquirrels
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I junked you...without a junk button......idiot......

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:22 | 1530916 ipunchsquirrels
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and not you Marks......the dude above you, keyser.......

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:24 | 1530925 G. Marx
Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:43 | 1530999 Bananamerican
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At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth... in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

-Lincoln

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 14:44 | 1531309 Mallenet
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He did buy votes, but I like him - what a man among sheep.  I had never seen the quote before - ta very much.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 17:54 | 1531734 11b40
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I can only wonder who the Bozos are that junk Lincoln?

Must not be from around here ;-0

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 18:20 | 1531788 Bananamerican
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Sino-holes or PRC lurkers....or globalist "entrepreneurs"

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:27 | 1530389 snowball777
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The global hooker wants to complain about her john's after-shave?

Unpeg and say that shit again, bitchez!

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:34 | 1530412 doggings
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those days are over now, arent you paying attention?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:38 | 1530427 snowball777
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A collapsing US economy is bad for both host and parasite alike; is China paying attention?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/confidential-wal-mart-memo-discloses-subst...

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:53 | 1530487 Minimum Clearance
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China is worried that the US will pay its Treasuries off in highly devalued dollars.  If that happens (and it will), then the US will have paid what the crap from China is actually worth.

Grow up, China, and depeg your own currency.

And welcome to the NWO.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:58 | 1530502 narapoiddyslexia
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Bingo. Hence the quote, "International supervision over the issue of U.S. dollars should be introduced..."

Snowball's chance in hell of that ever happening, because then we couldn't issue the fake dollars to pay China. Which we will.


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