Global Contraction Fears Soar As German, European GDP Misses Send Markets Broadly Lower

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Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:09 | 1564594 oogs66
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we are down this much and they haven't even disappointed on the eurobond front yet?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:14 | 1564599 ZeroPower
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Disappointment will be from the 530GMT news conference of MerKozy. Nothing is supposed to come of it firstly. They'll ratify the agreement reached at the 21 July Summit and leave further discussions for future meetings... Merkel will likely be concerned about ensuring that peripheral economies continue to impose further austerity measures and also that there is close surveillance in meeting fiscal targets.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:18 | 1564608 Quintus
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They can certainly agree to press ahead with the ratification process, but this requires a vote in the parliaments of both countries and neither Merkel or Sarkozy can deliver that today.

The outcome of this meeting will be a short press release full of platitudes and happy talk.  Nothing more can reasonably be expected.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:29 | 1564637 youngman
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"The outcome of this meeting will be a short press release full of platitudes and happy talk. Nothing more can reasonably be expected."


And that is exactly what a kick the canner wants...happy faces, handshakes, butt slaps, high fives, all is good talk, we are one, ....yep all is good in La La Land..pass the strudle

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:40 | 1564666 Smiddywesson
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Well they have bought up a boatload of gold and kept the price below $1800, so we can't say kicking the can has been a failure.  From the perspective of central banks and soverign wealth funds who have gold, it is working okey-dokey.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:16 | 1564605 Quintus
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Yeah - this afternoon could be interesting.

Thing is though - does anyone seriously expect any progress on the Eurobond issue today?  I don't think the Germans could be any clearer that it is not even being discussed.

Normally I'd take official statements about what is and isn't on the agenda with a grain of salt, but I don't think there's any subterfuge here.  Merkel will not be in a position, politically, to seriously discuss Eurobonds until the Eurozone project is within a day or two of collapse (if even then) and, of course that's far too late to do anything about it.



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:11 | 1564597 Bobbyrib
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The country holding the EU together had almost no growth.


This is definitely bullish. /sarcasm

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:14 | 1564600 speconomist
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the ECB's series of rate hikes was the most misguided decision possible by the world's most clueless central bank

So, are you trying to say that ZIRP is better?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:15 | 1564601 Fantasy Planet
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Circling the drain...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:41 | 1564668 Smiddywesson
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They stopped trying to fix things at the end of 2009.  Since then, it is all kick the can and buy gold.  That's their game plan.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:15 | 1564602 thunderchief
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Euro-Bonds to the rescue.  Dive in head first. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:16 | 1564606 Boilermaker
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Then Pan-Euro bonds, then Pan-Sino-Euro bonds, then...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:23 | 1564615 Pay Day Today
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Only Pan-Galactic bonds can save us.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:35 | 1564654 sampo
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Might be, but in my view he just described a reasonable path to the monetary NWO.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:04 | 1564713 andybev01
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One Gargleblaster please.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:16 | 1564604 Boilermaker
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LOL, yea, well, they'll gun the markets higher anyway.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:21 | 1564611 papaswamp
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"Doctor!....the patient is going into convulsions!!!"

"Use that zappy thing on him nurse..."

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:23 | 1564613 FoieGras
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That dumbass German secretary of commerce was talking about some kind of "economic boom in Germany that was going to last 10 years" just some 2-3 months ago. Where is this idiot now?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:24 | 1564621 Boilermaker
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Well, they said something about a reich that would last 1,000 years know.  Take it for what it's worth.  Germans are always quick to proclaim superiority in all circumstances.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:24 | 1564624 Pay Day Today
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I'm sure that this is just a run of the mill business cycle downturn...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:36 | 1564625 Pay Day Today
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Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:43 | 1564675 Smiddywesson
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People stopped believing in the China lie, like China could bail out its customers and be the engine of blah, blah, blah...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:15 | 1564736 thunderchief
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Gone to join the one thousand year army.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:25 | 1564627 lolmao500
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Obama should send a trillion $ stimulus package to Germany... right?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:31 | 1564640 Boilermaker
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He sould buy the world a coke.  That should do it.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:28 | 1564630 The Limerick King
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The Germans are starting to tank

The Jap GDP is just rank

Britain's in trouble

China's a bubble

We have Mr. Greenspan to thank.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:38 | 1564662 papaswamp
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Excellent...the morning limerick!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:06 | 1564719 andybev01
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Carl Castle; is that you?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:30 | 1564634 sudzee
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A slowdown in world gdp should reduce the need for base metals. A bright spot could be an intensifying shortage of silver as most ag is a bi-product. Industrial use will decline but supplies will crater.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:30 | 1564639 chump666
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dax goes 3% negative, s&p will capitulate

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:32 | 1564644 Cdad
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Good morning and thank you Tyler,

It's good to have a place to go right off in the morning to discover what fundamentl thing, or what steaming pile of crap, is moving the markets.  The BlowHorn [CNBC] is prattling on about nothing, of course, and ES this morning did, indeed, peak my curiosity.  Now I can go ahead and finish my coffee without worrying about ES reversing in any meaningful way in the few minutes it takes to drink it and refill it.

That should be it, the story of the day...because if Germany rolls over.  No more bail outs.



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:35 | 1564655 Boilermaker
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But, Bob Doll from Blackrock just said it's a buy and that if you can sell on the up 400 days and buy on the down 400 days...then everything is great.

Man, you are cynical.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:39 | 1564661 Cdad
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He is one of the biggest shills in the industry.  Never listen to Bob...NEVER!  Some people are simply useless.  He is one of them.

**Oh, and brother boiler...the RIETs have been looking for a reason to drop.  This will probably suffice.  Over owned.**

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:42 | 1564670 papaswamp
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It will be interesting to hear what Merk/Sark meeting puts out....I suspect nothing. France will say sorry can't help much we are fucked...Germany will say can't help much we are about to be fucked. Germany will have to go defensive to save it's own skin.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:47 | 1564682 Boilermaker
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they have the authority to commit to a Euro-bond?  Isn't that the responsibility of their congressmen?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:50 | 1564691 Cdad
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For a year now, the band of merry Euro bailout kings have been making it up as they go along.  They have long since exceeded the rules governing the Euro nations.

The time to member exits on the Euro is very near.  I'm not sure most people know how close that day is.  This could be part of why the Euro dollar is rising...front running by insidious banker clowns.  The collapse that will come from this will be epic.  No corner of the Earth will be spared.  

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:57 | 1564700 Smiddywesson
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but do they have the authority to commit to a Euro-bond?  Isn't that the responsibility of their congressmen?

We need Alexander Haig to rise and calm the situation.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:54 | 1564694 Smiddywesson
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That should be it, the story of the day...because if Germany rolls over.  No more bail outs.

Sorry, Cdad, you must have some irish whiskey in that coffee.  Logic won't help you if you view the situation vis a vis the old system. 

This steaming hulk will continue to cartwheel down the highway as long as they can lie, cheat, and steal, because that is exactly what the central banks will do as long as they can continue to buy cheap gold.  The only long term action they are taking is buying gold. 

Nothing being done to fix the economy is intentional.  They don't care how badly they damage the old economy, because it is unrepairable.  All they care about is positioning themselves for the new economy, and gold figures prominently in that new economy.  Nothing else matters to them.  They will shrug off Germany and soldier on.  If gold goes vertical, game over.  

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:48 | 1564684 dick cheneys ghost
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Can they blame new zealand? It did snow there.........

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:01 | 1564706 A Dim View
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MerCosy will be discussing the imminent Eurozone breakup into its 2 blocks.

the fun loving, vino quaffing, suntan lotion importing Psuedo based around the new Europop Centrale Banque (floating at 1:1 Pseudo:Yankees) headquartered in Toulouse 


the hard as steel, inflexible, Bundesliga kuchen, bier trinken Neuro based around the Zetral Handel Bank in Frankfurt (floating at 1.60:1 Neuros:Yankees).

Job done.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:16 | 1564745 Archimedes
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This is actually really bad and important data. If a exporting powerhouse like Germany can't sell its goods then the global economy is truly slowing down.

The next 12-18 months are gonna be ugly. Good thing I have been preparing for the last four years!



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:18 | 1564752 choorles
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all this negative news if far more entertaining when you own gold, silver and bitcoins..

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:41 | 1564796 shortus cynicus
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I'm tired of this GDP scam. Nobody should take it serious. At least we should subtract debt-founded government spending to see less manipulated number.

2.5% GDP growth - 2.5% deficit spending = 0%


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:53 | 1564825 PaperBear
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More like time is running out to jump in the lifeboats.

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