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The Global Moral Hazard Dawns: Merkel Says "It Must Be Prevented That Others Come Seeking A Haircut" As Ireland Cuts GDP Forecast

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Just about 48 hours after it was duly noted as the greatest threat to the Eurozone in the post bailout world, Germany finally grasps the enormity of what global moral hazard truly means. As we said before, the biggest risk facing Europe, and by that we mean undercapitlized French banks (all of them) obviously, is not Greece or what haircut is applied to the meaningless €100 billion in Greek debt when all the exclusions are accounted for. It is what happens when everyone else understands they now have a carte blanche to pull a Greece at will. And while until now we had some glimmer of hope there was a behind the scenes agreement for this glaringly obvious deterioration to not manifest itself, Merkel just opened her mouth and proved our worst fears wrong. As Reuters reports, "Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Friday it was important to prevent others from seeking debt reductions after European Union leaders struck a deal with private banks to accept a nominal 50 percent cut on their Greek government debt holdings. "In Europe it must be prevented that others come seeking a haircut," she said." Too late, Angie, far, far too late. Because, just as expected, here comes Ireland and literally a few hours ago, launched the first warning shot that will imminently lead to what will be demands to pari passu treatment with Greece. Next up: Portugal, Spain, and, of course, Italy, which however won't be faking its own economic slow down.

From Business Week:

Ireland's government may cut at least 1 percentage point off its 2012 economic forecast, as a global slowdown curbs the country's export-led recovery, according to two people familiar with the matter.


Finance Minister Michael Noonan said last month that the country may cut its gross domestic product forecast from 2.5 percent, published on April 29. The government details its medium-term budgetary outlook on Nov. 4 and may lower the forecast, according to the people who declined to be identified because the figures haven't been finalized.


“Work is under way on the medium-term fiscal statement,” said Eoin Dorgan, a spokesman for Noonan, declining to comment on the growth forecasts.


Slowing global economic growth and Europe's debt crisis is hampering the region's recovery. French President Nicolas Sarkozy said yesterday his country's economy will grow by about 1 percent next year, as he lowered an August forecast of 1.75 percent. In Ireland, Noonan has said the government may need more than the planned 3.6 billion euros ($5.1 billion) of budget savings, though “not an awful more,” to hit its 8.6 percent fiscal deficit target.


“Ireland is showing the characteristics which are required to put the economy back on the right track,” Brian Devine, an economist at NCB Stockbrokers in Dublin, said in a note on Oct. 26. “However, one must not forget that Ireland is recovering from the largest credit and housing bubble in OECD history.”

Indeed, Ireland is just the beginning in the global race to sequester what remaining global put funds remain, a race which will end with the ECB unleashing the printer, and, as Albert Edwards predited yesterday, with Germany making a decision whether or not to leave the Eurozone.


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Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:28 | 1821498 redpill
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WTF, how is Italy supposed to afford their Maseratis if they don't get a haircut too?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:42 | 1821579 YesWeKahn
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This is to help car makers.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:10 | 1821738 goldm3mb3r
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Thank you - you just made me come in my pants.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:24 | 1821832 NoClueSneaker
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OT ... you grabbed some FAZ ? Thx...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:32 | 1821885 Ahmeexnal
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I was waiting for FAZ to hit 40.
I'm glad I didn't place that order as now I'm sure 35 is quite possible. However, with things moving as fast as they are, I might have to buy at the close today.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:01 | 1822024 NoClueSneaker
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Yepp, thx ... Learned a lot from your hints.

Me dumb, but volume low and some of Berlusconis Banks didn't got a shot. ( Applause on the left  arm frantic ). 36 is good enough, ( me not qualified, but trying )....

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:44 | 1821588 Dick Darlington
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Easy, Bunga Bunga just promised, for realz, that he will raise the retirement age for some by 2 years between "now" and 2026.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:40 | 1821931 knukles
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Fucking charade.  Discuss the relief of the symptom, too much debt, but not the cause, the disease, living way the fuck beyond ones' means.

See, nothing the fuck changes.
It's a grandstand of circle jerks.

Forget reading The Daily Platutude.
It's over, done, bad news, gone, beyoond redemption.

The fundamental raison d'etre for the EU has become ridicule.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:08 | 1821721 PY-129-20
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Don't worry. Our finance minister just discovered 24 bn Euro by accident. We will pay for it. An unfortunate miscalculation over at Hypo Real. Accounting error - happens basically every day...what a clown show.,1518,794694,00.html

Blutorgel -.-

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:30 | 1821875 Piranhanoia
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they found the 40 billion bucks missing in Iraq.  GPS has a trace on Bin Hidin in the Indian Ocean. Nasa has found evidence of other odd footprints on the Moon, some on top of those of our honkeys, The swiss have found part of the 400 billion stolen from citizens of Deutschland from 33 to 45, in an old vault of course.  Amelia Earhardt is back from her vacation.  The Beatles 84th album goes Uranium selling 100 trillion copies.

I get my news from the Onion. At least they tell you its BS upfront.  Too bad it ain't.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:35 | 1822793 PY-129-20
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LOL - now it is not only 24 bn - Spiegel just informed readers in an update that it is now 55 bn - out of nowhere. Just appeared.

This gets better and better.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:39 | 1821929 Rick64
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Egemen Bagis, Turkey’s chief negotiator with the European Union, has criticized Germany, along with France, for seeking to sell military equipment to Greece while pressing the government in Athens to make drastic public spending cuts as a result of its dire financial crisis.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:27 | 1822754 Ghordius
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Damn! I thought Greece would buy some frigates made in Italy, as usual!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 19:05 | 1822972 Rick64
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Nope its France. Israel and the U.S. are in the game too.

According to information obtained by SPIEGEL, France wants to deliver two to four new frigates to the Greek navy and to allow the highly indebted nation to postpone payment of the €300 million ($412 million) purchase price per ship for the next five years.,1518,792189,00.html

Is Greece readying to spend millions and millions of dollars to buy advanced weaponry from Israel despite the economic crisis? According to reports coming from Tel Aviv and Washington, the answer is “Yes!”.  Executives of Israel’s defense industry are reportedly talking to Greece’s Armed Forces about a possible multimillion-dollar sale of advanced weaponry in Athens and Greek military officials talk in Tel Aviv about the purchase of unmanned aerial vehicles.

Daniel Cohn Bendit- president of European Greens/ European Free Alliance Summarizes it nicely. We're Hypocrites!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:05 | 1822096 caconhma
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Italians are good dressers. For high defense officials Maseratis go very well with their 7-stars military uniforms.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 20:19 | 1823237 philipat
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Ireland should have done an Iceland and told the Banks to fuck off. Instead it decided to bail out the Banks and shaft its own people. Having got the taste of that, if they can also shaft the German people as well, so much the better..................

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:30 | 1821503 Hansel
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So only Greece gets any debt relief?  That seems completely fair.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:45 | 1821556 redpill
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In other news, the European Union (EU) is changing its name to the Federation of Undeserving Countries Killing the Economy of Deutschland (FUCKED).

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:55 | 1821645 gojam
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Fitting acronym redpill

Isn't it possums that play dead ?

 PIIGS play Possums (sounds like the title of a great new reality show)

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:15 | 1821778 Mike2756
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Greece is done, it's down to PIIS.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:36 | 1821910 TheLooza
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dude, the germans played a role in getting their eurozone counterparts in the debt mess to begin with.  their hands are not clean. and i dont just mean the shit on their hands from all that ass fisting they do over there.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:24 | 1822743 eurogold
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You are totally clueless.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:29 | 1822770 DosZap
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To Whom are you refering?.

If me, you sir are the one without a clue.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:21 | 1822718 eurogold
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Right you are! Now Italy, Spain, Portugal will be knocking at the door with their hands stretched out!

Germany must leave the EMU and tell everyone to go fuck themselves!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:30 | 1822771 Ghordius
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What are you, a divorce lawyer?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 18:25 | 1822947 knukles
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Nah, he's just been married for over an hour.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:54 | 1821643 hunglow
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First soft, first that was served.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:04 | 1821689 eatthebanksters
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kinda like Obummer's new housing plan which will only be available to people with underwater mortgages held by Fannie and Freddie...fuck everyone else, right?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 20:39 | 1823263 LongBalls
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Just be patient. We will all have our opportunity at his program by the time he is done.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:30 | 1821506 Boilermaker
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More like a buzz cut.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:35 | 1821907 tmosley
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More like a decapitation.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:30 | 1821508 GolfHatesMe
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Flowbee.  Do it yourself at home!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:05 | 1822636 karzai_luver
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stole my line , SERF!

or is it get in line and haul out the clippers bitches.


3X long

powder wigs.


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:30 | 1821509 jcaz
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Oh yeah, and Ireland was supposed to be SAFE money- LOL!!

This is gonna be priceless- literally.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:41 | 1821574 Chaffinch
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Nobody, but NOBODY, could have predicted that other cash-strapped countries would want similar
haircuts ; )

Make mine a Tony Curtis!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:06 | 1822641 karzai_luver
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Will the Grecian Formula work and how many doses are needed!


Clyde Clyde .................

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:31 | 1821512 Deadpool
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save them Slovenia!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:58 | 1821665 ziggy59
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Slovenia, Slovakia... What's the difference?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:21 | 1821808 NoClueSneaker
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Simple ... from the day one was Slovenia paying in and Slovakia  getting checks from the €U...

In the meantime r both fucked.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:34 | 1821902 Piranhanoia
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Makes a difference to them. Check out a map.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:32 | 1821514 LawsofPhysics
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Good luck with that Merkel.  Give one participant a free ride while telling the others that they are stuck.  If there is anyone left toiling away to pay their mortgage, regardless of country, you now know exactly what a sucker you have been.  Crash the system already and let's find out exactly who's labor is of any value.  I promise compensation will find it's way back to people who are actually worth a shit.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:55 | 1821626 B9K9
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Come on dude, you know the score just as well as Merkel and everyone else in position of authority. Not one person didn't see this coming; on the contrary, they all knew it was coming, but proceeded apace regardless.

Since CogDis is apparently taking a (brief) hiatus, I shall paraphrase something he was fond of quoting, to wit "we exchanged a heart attack for cancer". IOW, every day is another day to live. It doesn't matter about other falling dominoes, such as Ireland, et al lining for some 'Greek style treatment'.

It only matters that the system lives another day. The day market facts finally force acceptance is when the system actually dies. It can't possibly survive the degree of deflation explicitly built into such a mountain of debt. So it will fail.

With that in mind, all this day-day news flow & analysis is just BS. It's a binary problem for the PTB- die now or die tomorrow. So, why not live another day? The day it dies is when real competition, real value-add, real cost/benefit analysis begin once again. If you're a money-changer, why would you ever want to get down into the gladiator pit and fight for survival?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:57 | 1821655 LawsofPhysics
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Living just fine.  Best line in any movie "get busy living or get busy dying".  Chance will always favor the prepared mind, period, and as you point out, it really is up to chance.  This is a trading site by the way, and when the market swings like this, you can bet your ass that it becomes important to those who make a living doing it.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:01 | 1821674 ziggy59
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Quoted from Shawshank Redemption. Yes an excellent movie... Time tou view it again soon.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:19 | 1821804 Mike2756
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Dyin ain't much of a livin.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:53 | 1821638 Cdad
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Good luck with that Merkel.  Give one participant a free ride while telling the others that they are stuck.

Exactly...just how are they going to do that?  Answer:  they are not.  Just more platitudes from an intellectually bankrupt group of politicians.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:59 | 1821667 Cruel Aid
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Smoothing is applied to everything.

Pain will be avoided everywhere and for as long as possible in every segment of society.

It's human nature, and hope.


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:31 | 1821884 gwar5
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Couldn't have said it better. Good one.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:32 | 1821887 gwar5
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Couldn't have said it better. Good one.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:32 | 1821516 Comay Mierda
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cant wait for the Amerikan haircut

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:37 | 1821551 Deadpool
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you'll be waiting forever. with Europe looking like this treasuries are the only game in town. global liquidity of $100 Trillion has only one place to go: UST and US$. No matter how bad we look they look worse.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:41 | 1821571 LawsofPhysics
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I can think of lots of other places for it to go, silver, gold, beans, oil, natGas, bullets.  Shall I continue?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:49 | 1821614 Deadpool
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go ahead, but your LawsofPhysics doesn't include lawoflargenumbers and if $100Trillion chased beans we'd all be eating sand. fact remains NOTHING on Earth or Moon or Uranus (your's too) can accommodate $100T except US$. Doesn't make it good, just makes it so.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:58 | 1821661 LawsofPhysics
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You assume that prices have to stay the same.  Don't get angry DP, articulate better.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 16:56 | 1822592 topcallingtroll
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Look. Everyone knows that gold and silver are not backed by the Fed. They said it on TV.

for now the world wants fed backed paper.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:01 | 1821668 mayhem_korner
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If debt obligations were trued up today, how many of those $100T (pick a number) would be free from lien, Mr. Superhero, Sir.  All debts must be settled (by someone).  Once you get that basic tenet straight, you'll realize what is meant by the market levitating on false hopium.

The only reason there are ANY dollars available to chase the Risk On paradox is because the can-kicking has prevented them from being called home. 

'nuff said.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:12 | 1821753 Deadpool
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zero. you're off topic, he asked for US T haircut. won't happen. all cash is loaned into existance. called fractional reserve banking and we're drowning in it. Hyperinflation is on the way, but UST won't be haircut, just inflated away.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:15 | 1821777 mayhem_korner
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Misread.  Regrets.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:24 | 1821831 traderjoe
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IMHO, there will be no effective difference between a hyper-inflationary collapse and a hyper-deflationary collapse. In neither will the current fiat survive. 

When Money Dies. 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:37 | 1821896 LawsofPhysics
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See traderjoes comments, the endgame is the same, you (or I) simply won't recognize the "sell-off" when it happens, the paper will simply be dead, the "price" will be irrelevant.  I guess I should have said the value of the paper goes to zero.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:41 | 1822282 Eally Ucked
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I can absorb any number of trillions $, I issue doodoos in exchange, will you be my first client?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 16:59 | 1822604 topcallingtroll
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Call us back when your doodoo is backed by the FED.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:42 | 1821582 Comay Mierda
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either the USSA debt gets a haircut with a chainsaw, or the fed will just print into hyperinflation zimbabwe-style. dont count on "austerity" to reign in deficits, you can see how effective that approach is in europe

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:47 | 1821605 LawsofPhysics
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Yep.  Hey, at least now real estate will make a rebound as anyone with any capital to spend makes a dash to more survivable areas or areas that will not be so cluttered with riot traffic.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:00 | 1822612 topcallingtroll
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False dichotomy.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:25 | 1822196 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The USSA is way beyond the point where a haircut, even with a chainsaw, would do any good. Decapitation wouldn't even be enough for debt of this magnitude - it has to be cut down at the knees.


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:23 | 1822730 DosZap
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Comay Mierda

Comay, EITHER one of those have only one outcome.

War in the streets.

Americans will not accept it......................period.

FAR too many have seen the graft,theft and corruption to simply eat shit and die.

The Internet has made that 100% a certainty.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 19:27 | 1823120 dalkrin
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November 23rd is the next red letter day.  US side of the pond.  We'll see just how feasible it is for our little super committee to hack away at entrenched debt interests.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:43 | 1821587 Chaffinch
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When the US gets it's haircut there will be hair flying all over the place

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:02 | 1822621 topcallingtroll
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That is the truth.

That is why the whole world has agreed to make the dollar the worlds kife preserver.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:33 | 1821517 Capitalist10
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The PIIGS are racing to wipe off the lipstick.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:33 | 1821520 Stoploss
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Step right up and get yer 50 - 75% off soveriegn debt savings coupon!!! Hurry! Supplies are limited and only available on a first come first serve basis!!!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:33 | 1821523 SkySavage
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It really is amazing to watch this disaster playing out.  History in the making.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:35 | 1821534 mayhem_korner
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Frame by frame.  Like Inception level 3.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:38 | 1821554 SeverinSlade
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Totally agree.  I don't think anyone could write a better script than the reality we're living in.  I always have to pinch myself to remember that I'm NOT sleeping.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:04 | 1821700 ziggy59
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You re not sleeping, but the 99+% of the sheeple are dreaming of humans hopping fences..

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:33 | 1821524 DavidJ
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Wow!   This is such a joke!   It would be much funnier if hundreds of millions of people's financial futures were not being tossed around like a new yo yo!!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:43 | 1821583 whstlblwr
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Stop the government price control on stock market. Class action lawsuit. Many here who rightly short market would have claim.

"Veterans Win $7.4 Million Settlement in Federal Debt Collection Class Action
Washington, DC: A $7.4 million settlement has been reached in a class action lawsuit brought against the United States government by military veterans.

The suit alleged that the government's methods of recovering debt owed by veterans for purchases made on military bases was not acceptable because the debts incurred had reached the 10 year statute of limitations.

In 2007, Julius Briggs, a disabled army veteran, filed the lawsuit after the US government kept about $2,300 in tax refunds to pay down a $1,857 debt he incurred buying uniforms and other items on base in 1993.

According to media reports, some 6,700 former military will receive $10,000 each from the settlement, which was approved in court Thursday, January 28th.

The Wall Street Journal has reported that the class action is the first to challenge a federal agency's debt collection tactics.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:53 | 1821639 mayhem_korner
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Ummm...who would arbitrate that claim?  And how would a judgment rectify the underlying problem?  Take your time...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:58 | 1821664 whstlblwr
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Mr Julius Briggs asked same question, but he have courage. Not status quo mayhem_korner who needs his government support in stock market.

Mr. Briggs didn't just get mad on blog, he filed suit against government, and now in short time he won and money paid out to other veterans in his same situation. He did good job.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:07 | 1821716 mayhem_korner
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Sorry, I thought I was conversing with someone logical.  Move along.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:40 | 1821741 whstlblwr
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You try to discredit because you obviously need government to keep bailing you out.

My brothter in law is attorney and class action lawsuit is possible. For those interested in pursuing it...One way for lawsuit against SEC, collusion and fraud.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:16 | 1822688 DosZap
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They will damn sure let you die and kill for them, but pay righteous benefits, and money stops the show.

All the while we have given Trillions to Foreign Aid, and we still do not take care of our own soldiers.

I wish they would all go on strike, and say we quit, come on home.TAKE us home.

Wouldn't tpiss off anyone excepct the .gub.Gotta be the sorriest SOB's on the planet, make Bankers look good.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:53 | 1821634 ViewfromUnderth...
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Sister-in-law and husband, new baby, hard working savers in Central Europe almost ready to buy a house..."financial advisor" told them to go for a big loan as they won't have to repay the loan when the banks fail...hubby wanted to buy gold but it's very expensive now, he was told.

None of us are in Kansas anymore.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:04 | 1822091 UGrev
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what the shit? Take a out a big loan and buy gold.. you'll get 100x the house later, when the banks fail :)

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:34 | 1821528 Boilermaker
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XLF now down $0.009 per share on the news.


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:45 | 1821593 whstlblwr
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Government manipulations

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:50 | 1821530 mayhem_korner
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Discrimination?  Or maybe Merkel just has a Greek fetish.

Edit: ick.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:50 | 1821619 DonutBoy
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Dammit.  Why did you do that?  Do you know how long that image is going to stay in my mind?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:54 | 1821640 ViewfromUnderth...
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Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:55 | 1821648 mayhem_korner
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Well, with a name like "DonutBoy," I gotta believe it might have been there already.  8D

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:36 | 1821546 SeverinSlade
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Further proof that the EU EFSF agreement is a joke.  Not enough Euros to bail out all of the PIIGS unless the ECB fires up the printing press.

CNBS better get ready to start bashing HFT algos again after being silent on them during this massive run up.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:38 | 1821552 GeneMarchbanks
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Unintended Consequences 101.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:50 | 1821621 mayhem_korner
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Unintended, maybe...foreseeable, definitely.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:08 | 1822111 UGrev
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Paradoxical. If you foresee a consequence and do it anyway, then it's not unintended.. it's purposeful. 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:28 | 1822758 DosZap
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Been preaching that here for pushing 2yrs,maybe some are finally getting IT.

This is what was intended to start with.

Ask your 8 yr old.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 00:30 | 1823721 mayhem_korner
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You're correct.  But if those that can foresee the consequences aren't the same as those empowered to execute, and the latter create the unintended consequences...that's where I was really going with the comment.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:39 | 1821562 Bansters-in-my-...
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I still find it hard to believe these kids talking "haircuts".

The word of the day for Baby Banker Talk....or what.?

The real words for "hair cut" for the bond holder are "ripped off"

and when your CD"s don't pay ou with a 50% "rip off" you were also "kicked in the nuts".

Lets talk like adults here.


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:10 | 1822654 karzai_luver
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take the "deal" or we send in ze panzer bitch!


adult enough for ya?


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:40 | 1821565 TuesdayBen
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Da Yermans vill find aus dat moral hazard relates not to zee big mushrooms, ja?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:41 | 1821573 oogs66
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Angie's barbershop!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:55 | 1821577 anonnn
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[just posted comment on Reg Middleton's post]

Fraudulent contracts are not enforceable by the public courts, unless they are deemed enforceable by private intimidation or by government authority [fiat].

This is not a new situation. About 150 years ago, Charles Dickens wrote about failure to do Due Diligence:

Panks [debt collector]: “A person who can't pay, gets another person who can't pay, to guarantee that he can pay. Like a person with two wooden legs getting another person with two wooden legs to guarantee that he has got two natural legs.” [Charles Dickens' Little Dorrit ]

Fraud committed by persons/corporations who claimed to be responsible for Due Diligence and thus cannot claim ignorance when they accepted known amounts of debts/liabilities greater than their total assets.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:42 | 1821578 SheepDog-One
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Dont worry, we got this shit handled....well as long as there are no more debt problems at all anywhere in the future, nevermind bleeding all over the Eurozone. Greece got their bailouts, and thats the end now we close our books.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:42 | 1821580 wombats
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German taxpayers must be really excited about this.

A glorious opportunity (obligation?) to bankroll everybody in Europe.

It looks like this European Debt show will be going on for a long long time.  I guess we will need lots of popcorn for this show!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:42 | 1821581 Little John
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Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice…central banking.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:43 | 1821586 Bansters-in-my-...
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Oh boy....

Now greece (govt) can aford to keep paying the Central banks(private) all that interst they owe ,with thier new found wealth.

Bend over you say...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:44 | 1821591 Melin
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The politicians discover moral hazard mere hours after the Streeters discovered it.  Everybody's growing up.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:46 | 1821597 Duke of Con Dao
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Angela Merkel said that when she was still wearing the blue velour powersuit she wore at the EU Summit. 

I think I have some a basement tape of her talking this nonsense. in the meantime, here's 

Angie in a pre-conference pow-wow...

[must admit, those dancing Nazis steal the show]

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:46 | 1821599 marcusfenix
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I think Merkel is getting a little ahead of herself here because she is working on the assumption that this farce, in part or in whole, is actually going to be implemented. which appears to be very much up in the air at the moment...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:49 | 1821607 lolmao500
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Typical baby behavior.... *Cries* how come my brother got ice cream and I didn't??? *Cries*  Same thing with debt haircut. *Cries* How come we don't get Greece debt haircut? *Cries* It's not fair! We'll act like a jackass (taking on more debt and less taxes) till we get our haircut! *Parent is forced to give ice cream to the other PIIGS* Europe is screwed.

The architects of the haircut obviously were never parents... or didn't learn from their own experience.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:48 | 1821608 kito
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bought more DOG today, it cant be possible im going to ride this all the way to dow 13,000????? :(

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:49 | 1821612 slackrabbit
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If the people of Ireland take this, then ...and I never though t I would say this...they deserve the parliament they get.

They should just say 'f**k you' and let the chips fall where they may.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:49 | 1821613 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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What qualifies this ugly, dumb, b*tch to say anything?

Why should i even give 1 second of my time to listen to these proven murderer and liar?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:31 | 1821883 NoClueSneaker
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You guessed it ... her dumbness . She bought an teleprompter long time ago.

Just to remind the audience: she learned every fuckin' word of Reagan's speech from the debatte with Carter and presented it to the german sheeple in the franchise of the TV show ( vS. Mr. Gazprom  Schröder ).

Her main competence ist to say nothing, almost all the time.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:51 | 1821615 campag
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Merkel to the bankers "forget activating your CDS ,with the Feds help we are going to bid your stocks up to offset your Greek haircut."  Should be good for 48 hours 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:52 | 1821631 Waterfallsparkles
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Ha Ha Ha.  Moral Hazard times 4.

They really dug themselves a big hole.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:26 | 1822200 SheepDog-One
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Lets throw them some new shovels so they can dig their hole deeper!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:52 | 1821633 Eurodollar
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Italy or Spain are currently the rock and the hard place. The euro is squeezed in between. Not a nice threesome at the moment.

But Italy, lol me not. Spain at least they try to solve things. Bunga Bunga Berlusconi and his other italian smooth talking, lazy ass, manipulative, corrupt and greedy friends will have no problem digging a hole for the entire eurozone and sing merry songs while the fan collapses with all the shit they just threw at it. Seriously people, they are italian. They live with mummy til they are 40 and they are told they are pretty in pink. Come on! These guys are brought up believing 10-12 hail marys every sunday and 10 gold coins in the church coffers free them from their dirty deeds, and If the church wont fix it mummy will.

Metaphor here: mummy = Merkel.

I have tried to work with Italians several times, every single one of them was a cheat, a scum bag or both. I am sure there are good italians too besides the Amarone wine, dont get me wrong. I just havent met any.

Italy... You fuck us all up, for that you have to say a collective and unison 209 hail marys. If that isn't punishment enough I don't know what is.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:09 | 1822653 topcallingtroll
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When corruption is endemic and viewed as normal you get this culture.


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 17:12 | 1822665 karzai_luver
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Maybe if we hurry Merkozy can toss out the first pitch tonight or at least give a stiring renditon of go d bless the fed.



Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:54 | 1821641 SeverinSlade
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Still think it's funny that a 50% loss is being called a "haircut."  It's not even a buzz cut, it's a scalping.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:56 | 1821653 slewie the pi-rat
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following the rules for accounting + bankruptcy = morality = let the chips fall, assholes, these are our agreements & laws

making shit up and bailing out the loser-cronies w/ public funds = wtf?

let's all wecome germany to:  The Plantation Edition of WTF! 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:01 | 1821679 DonutBoy
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Not only is Greece getting debt forgiveness, but any new debt will come cheap with an EFSF insurance wrapper.  So PIIS are stuck with their existing debt and no EFSF wrapper.  Last but not least, the concept of a sovereign CDS governed by ISDA has died.  There is no private insurance available.  PIIS yields will blow-out, forcing EFSF wrappers on all PIIS sovereign debt in the next emergency meeting.


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:02 | 1821684 surf0766
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When do Klink and Schultz show up?

I owe nothing !

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:04 | 1821692 bankonzhongguo
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Meanwhile in California.

Jerry Brown gets the green light from the Feds to cut MediCal by 10%.

So goodbye to healthcare for American aged and poor.

Trillions for banksters.  Death for the Poor.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:35 | 1821906 LawsofPhysics
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Why more people are not in the streets is truly amazing.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:28 | 1822208 SheepDog-One
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People are in the streets, but theyre not breaking shit ...yet.

Cut welfare and food stamps and unemployment and then we'll see it.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:05 | 1821694 THE DORK OF CORK
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Moral hazard me hole - there is no Germany , there is no Ireland - there are just banks - sometimes these banks operate and benefit  one host country , sometimes they don't.

Ireland is bailing out private entities - its money supply has been declining month on month for 3 years (check the Irish central bank money & credit figures) - why is that ?

Our GNP has delined nearly 25 % - why is that ?

The European investment bank has allocated no new funding for 2011 in this shithole , only Ireland and gigantic Malta is in this position. 

 Our "sovergin" debt is external and we are also being prevented from defaulting on privite credit  deposits with the help of inside crony bankers.

 We are being eaten alive from the legs up - its the core feeding off the edge to survive.

We are running a marginal current account surplus in a era of sky high energy prices for Christ sake - and Ireland is the most car dependent country in Western Europe with little domestic energy resourses !!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:51 | 1822014 Caviar Emptor
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Well said. And I sympathize

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 18:13 | 1822912 Ghordius
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Me too.
Ahem, your new choice of gov is not really helping, too...

I regret your old gov bailed out AngloIrish...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:04 | 1821698 Unprepared
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Extortion by auto-sabotage ... bitchez

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:08 | 1821720 ItsDanger
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Any sovereign writedown without negative implications for all concerned will result in other nations boosting debt in order to get the same deal.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 18:19 | 1822931 Ghordius
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No, this is an option for Ireland, perhaps Portugal and hopefully not Belgium.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 18:39 | 1822991 knukles
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Moral Hazard All Over Again, Part II

Fucking amazing.  Worldwide, the bankers and politicians get the money, coddle the deadbeats and liars whilst the honest hard working chap gets fucked.

Dr. Knukie's new Civics Class.
Kids, grab eveything you can, now, fuck your buddy, sell your mother on the street corner to take it up th e bung for a buck, run for public office and screw your freinds along the way.  If necessary, jsut resort to violence.  There are no things such as morals, ethics, principles and civility.  Thye're fiction.  You alone are your own God.  Do as You Will.  All others are here to be enslaved by you.  Confiscate, cheat and lie, keep secrets well hidden and punish those who betray your feality.  By death.  Thou shalt be named Caasar, and it shall be good.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:09 | 1821726 eatthebanksters
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It continually amazes me how really smart people continue to outsmart themselves!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:16 | 1821781 Tsar Pointless
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I see three things at play here:

1) France gets Germany to force Grecian formula onto Europe

2) France gets downgraded

3) Germany gets out of the Eurozone, goes back to the Deutschmark

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:23 | 1821826 Mr_Wonderful
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By 2014-15 the EFSF will most likely be up to 10-15 Trillion euros.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:26 | 1821848 Georgesblog
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We are seeing the delusional pursuit of Utopia. That maniacal obsession demands surrender to rebellion against final authority.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:26 | 1821851 oceanview76
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When and if this whole farce implodes, anybody that's short these markets will also be be buying a fleet of bullet-proof maseratti's to drive around in.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:31 | 1821878 It is a bargin ...
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If anybody can fuck her over the boys from Dublin can, its in the nature of the Irish to push until they get what they want

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:40 | 1821932 surf0766
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didn't they already cave in

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:43 | 1821962 Piranhanoia
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Just the government.  The people had no say in it.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 16:05 | 1822391 Loose Caboose
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"its in the nature of the Irish to push until they get what they want"

They still don't have Northern Ireland.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:42 | 1821950 Piranhanoia
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There isn't anything that is going to put humpty dumpty back together again now. They can superglue the wrapper, but the guts are spread all over.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:50 | 1822005 johngoes
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OT - anyone else observed today that SDS isn't tracking to S&P (2x inverse) Both S&P and SDS running negative today- weird shenanigans?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:02 | 1822079 Problem Is
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Hey (M)Urkel!

One kid gets a free haircut... the other four motley crew members are going to want a free haircut...

We don't need a PhD from Leipzig to figure that one out there Heir (M)Urkel...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:17 | 1822155 UGrev
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I asked my 8 year old what he'd do out of 2 choices that I gave him. 

Son, if you let someone borrow money from you and when you went to get back your money and they said they couldn't pay you back, what would you do? 

1. let them pay you back 50% of the money or

2. take a payment in equal value of some item like a TV or computer. 

He asked me how much he let them borrow.. and I thought for a second then replied "5 dollars". He said.. that's not a big deal, I'd take 2.50 and I wouldn't let them borrow any more. Then I asked "How about $500.00?". He replies "I want my money back.. I need a new laptop though, so I'd take #2 in the form of a laptop". 

Then I said.. "Ok, lets say you knew they weren't going to pay you back when you loaned them the money".. He replies "Why would I do that? that's stupid.. " 

There ya go. EIGHT year olds know how to run finances better than these fucking idiots.. 

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