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The Gloomy Prediction Of The Day Comes From.... Joe LaVorgna, Who Says An NFP Print Greater Than 9.2% Is Quite Possible

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When looking for super bullish expectations on the economy, everyone knows where to turn to: Deutsche Bank's Joe LaVorgna of course. However, many readers probably did not know that when looking for worse than consensus expectations about the future, including those cautioning about heightened recession worries, one should turn to... Joe LaVorgna?! That's right, in a just released note to clients, the CNBC staple "pundit" has just said that tomorrow's NFP may not only be 9.2% but may in fact exceed it. He also adds that "Weak income growth, falling stocks will have "damaging effect on business confidence" and make "managers even more hesitant to spend on either labor or capital" His conclusion: "‘If the unemployment rate were to spike, investors would become even more worried about a recession, because unemployment tends to go up sharply just ahead of the onset of recession." Judging by Joey L's predictive track record it may really be time to mortgage that first born and buy everything that is not nailed down.

From CNBC

Commentary for Friday: Global equity markets are hemorrhaging on renewed recession concerns, and we doubt that this morning’s data are going to change investors’ perceptions of the economic environment unless the numbers were to surprise meaningfully to the upside. Unfortunately, there is little reason to anticipate such an outcome based on a couple of key labor metrics, including ADP employment and initial jobless claims. Together, they suggest that there has been little incremental improvement in the labor market over the past month. The July ADP survey showed a +114k gain in private employment, less than the downwardly revised June figure (+145k). We also know that initial jobless claims were 422k during the employment survey week compared to 429k during the June employment survey period. Claims have drifted downward over the past few weeks—the 4-week moving average is presently down to 408k, the lowest since April 16. If this trend is sustained, then it would point to improvement in August payrolls relative to whatever the July results show; but much of the recent improvement came too late in the month to have an impact on July payrolls. In turn, we anticipate only a +50k increase in payrolls (+75k private) compared to just +18k in June.

Regarding the unemployment rate, it is expected to be unchanged at 9.2%, but given the fact that we have been marking down our estimate of current quarter growth, we cannot rule out an increase. Ordinarily, the pattern in unemployment trends has an inverse relationship with real GDP. Rising unemployment signals slowing activity and vice versa. If the unemployment rate were to spike, investors would become even more worried about a recession, because unemployment tends to go up sharply just ahead of the onset of recession. The reason we do not have the unemployment rate higher in July despite our downgrade of growth—we will be publishing updated economic and financial forecasts in today’s US Economics Weekly—is because continuing jobless claims have not moved higher over the past few months.

With respect to hours worked and earnings, we expect average weekly hours to rise 0.1 to 34.4 hours. This is likely to be the only real positive in the report. The reason we anticipate a gain is due to longer manufacturing hours worked, due in large part to the shopworn theme of manufacturing normalization post Japaneserelated supply disruptions. Average hourly earnings are expected to rise slightly,
although this will probably translate into only a modest improvement in personal income. It is going to be hard to get income growth up significantly without a meaningful improvement in hiring. This is why the slide in the equity market is troubling. It will have a damaging effect on business confidence, thereby making business managers even more hesitant to spend on either labor or capital. In turn, we are concerned that financial market turmoil can become a self-fulfilling prophecy by fostering an intense negative feedback loop. Stay tuned. –JL & CR

 

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Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:23 | 1524464 Doyle Hargraves
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How is that service based economy working out Bitchez?

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 16:32 | 1524662 gmrpeabody
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Speaking of service, I have heard estimates of 38k a head for the Presidents party. Not including tips.

There is no pain in Washington.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:25 | 1524473 oogs66
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with revisions the number could be worse.

i want to see him or zandi break down and cry on air

i watch cnbc more and more lately.  i need to convince myself that being short isn't a crowded traded.  10 minutes of CNBC cures me of the illusion that everyone is bearish

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:29 | 1524486 DonnieD
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The morning cheerleading squad is quite humorous. They do put that guy on in the evenings now who actually challenges guests when they spout off bullshit. He'll be canned or given a lobotomy soon enough.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:27 | 1524484 Mercury
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Happy birthday Mr. President...

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:30 | 1524488 Caviar Emptor
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Wow, how bullish can you get? 

LaDorkna makes a bearish prediction! Is that some paycheck anxiety I sense there? 

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:29 | 1524490 bania
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"Judging by Joey L's predictive track record it may really be time to mortgage that first born and buy everything that is not nailed down"

Best laugh of the day!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:41 | 1524526 Dr. Engali
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I was thinking the same thing,but I decided to add to my pm position instead.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:32 | 1524500 r101958
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I posted this at 12:27p referring to the reason for market melt down: 'Let me venture another guess.....some folks are already privy to the BLS numbers that will be 'publicly' released tomorrow?'

I wonder if I should get paid as much as LaVorgna?

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:42 | 1524527 Doyle Hargraves
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That could be the case. Maybe this month the debt brotha administration couldn't spin the awful numbers and we haven't seen em yet. Perfect opportunity coupled with a BAC collapse for TPTB/TBTF/gov/fed, et al. to launch the bailout to end all bailouts!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:59 | 1524571 r101958
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I believe TBTFs have already seen the numbers and are selling before they are publicly announced. Oh wait!, that would never happen, would it?

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 16:10 | 1524608 Doyle Hargraves
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No never! Everything is on the up and up...LMFAO

 

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:32 | 1524504 Caviar Emptor
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Wow. We're below April 2010 highs

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:38 | 1524518 Dr. Engali
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He's trying to get on the rightside of the trade. A little late to the party.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 16:13 | 1524611 pazmaker
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There was some ass whipe on this morning on CNBC around 515am est .....talking about now is the time to buy equities.......one of the host actually laughed at him.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 19:42 | 1525033 Snakeeyes
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Joe was a new hire when I was at DB. He is no better or worse than any of the other headline repeaters.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 22:53 | 1525487 Grand Supercycle
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S&P500 head and shoulders target is 1,176 and further downside
expected.

As mentioned for some time - S&P500 monthly has been tracking sideways this year. This extensive distribution signified a bearish big picture and that a significant downtrend would follow.

http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com

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