Gold And Silver Higher As ECB Intervenes In Markets – Currency And Euro Debasement Accelerates

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Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:11 | 1536293 Thorlyx
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Gold and Silver, Bitchez...

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:14 | 1536294 Reptil
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1600 EUR/ 2400 USD/ounce sounds about right in the coming month. (if the house of cards holds together at all)

Silver has yet to make it's corrective move. a ratio of 30 to 1 is not ridiculous IMHO.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:18 | 1536304 malikai
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Just curious, why would the UK be downgraded? As I understand it, the UK's voluntary plunge into austerity was supposed to avoid all that business.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:26 | 1536318 EscapeKey
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The official debt/GDP figure in the UK is 76.5% - but this does not cover the roughly 110% of GDP's worth of "illiquid assets" which the BoE "temporarily" took over in the wake of 2008.

The fact that these assets remain "illiquid" is obviously because the market is still weak, and certainly not because the UK eventually will be forced to take a substantial haircut, plunging the official debt/GDP ratio above 100% - ie Italy territory, with a MUCH worse deficit to boot.

Anyhoo, the BoE openly discuss another round of QE. Considering the BoE at present own about 33% of all outstanding gilts, I guess they won't be satisfied until they truly own the country (and the Pound Sterling is worthless).

Not to forget: British "austerity" means future spending will rise at a lower rate. How the fuck that's austerity is anyone's guess.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:02 | 1536381 Smiddywesson
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In a global economy, all countries are chained together and wearing anchors of various weights around their ankles.  If the weaker ones go over the rail, they will drag everyone else into the water.  The UK is going to the bottom of the sea along with all the major economies, including China, only China will never admit it after the fact

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:11 | 1536396 Snidley Whipsnae
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And to add to the Brits woes... depletion of their oil fields is ongoing; ie, another revenue stream is drying up...

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:25 | 1536322 Quintus
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On Wednesday, we are expecting GDP numbers that are far weaker than forecast to be announced.  The UK's recovery plan was always predicated on heroic assumptions about growth that had no chance at all of materialising.

Lower growth = lower Government revenue + higher government spending = higher borrowing = downgrade.  

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:55 | 1536372 Thorlyx
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and the "growth" will come from manufacturing and exporting items of high practical value like in the last 30 years ????

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:06 | 1536388 EscapeKey
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Well, we're actually quite fucked here in the UK, because our main export markets are the very same economies which currently struggle.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 09:07 | 1536517 Long-John-Silver
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The UK's debt slaves are rioting and burning the outskirts of London.

If the UK does not acquiesce to the demand for Bread and Circus by

their debt slaves London will burn. If they do acquiesce London will

crumble under massive debt. It's become a lose lose situation.


Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:21 | 1536313 JJ McApe
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if bernanke announces QE3 gold/silver goes apeshit :D

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:21 | 1536315 chump666
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france 5yr cds up 7%, haha the ecb has lost the plot

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:22 | 1536317 anony
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OK.  I'm going to buy 10 ounces of gold at the market today.

I would, if I were you, sell it to me.  WHY? Because every bet I have made on gold, short or long for the last 3 years  has been 100% upside down. I have lost money on the metal, the futures, the miners, and the ETF triples, no matter which one I choose. If I stay at this long enough, I will be living in a box under the London Bridge.

If you feel like sharing your for-sure gains over the next couple of days, that would help me make another bet that will go upside down as soon as I execute and if you take the other side of that gamble you are certain to win.

You could get berry berry rich doing this.  Again, if you care to share your profits with me for giving you the kind of solid Inside Information that is completely legal, I wouldn't turn it down.  If you keep me in the game and bet against me, you too can be like George Soros.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:11 | 1536395 Smiddywesson
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Buy physical, stop watching the price.

If paper goes to zero, price is irrelevant.

Contrary to common belief, these people are not stupid.  Everything the banksters and government officials have done has been to keep the banks alive.  A new gold type standard will make the central banks and soverign nations whole, but screw anyone with paper.  If you believe TPTB can repair their balance sheets, restore sanity to their spending habits, and save the banks, then keep trading paper.  But if you believe its a choice between the survival of the current fiat or the survival of the banks, and that choice has been made in favor of the banks, then start staking PMs.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:22 | 1536319 4realmoney
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to start buying Krugerrands.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:26 | 1536324 entendance
Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:26 | 1536325 John McCloy
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The Iowa GOP debate is 8/11. After the entire world and nation have been made aware of how serious this situation with our credit downgrade we are going to have record numbers of people watching this debate out of curiousity and the moment one of these moderators attempts to ask another candidate if they believe the Tea Party is the cause for this downgrade the question is going to flip to Ron Paul and he is going to eat their fucking lunch while pointing out why Gold is 1700 an ounce. 

    Maybe then some of those on the fence will be able to connect the dots between the Fed and our economy and the wars that not only never end but expand.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:13 | 1536400 Smiddywesson
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That would be nice.  Thanks for a little ray of hope. 

I think the public is about to get the picture anyway, but most will get screwed. 

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:25 | 1536420 baby_BLYTHE
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Ron Paul to the others: "I told you fuckkers so!"

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:32 | 1536339 DaBernank
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Greenshoots!!! (as in shooting green €100 notes)

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:32 | 1536440 GoldBricker
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Yes, maximum note size is still $100 in the US, supposedly to make large cash transactions more awkward. (Here in Europe the largest note is 500 euro, about $700.)

When the US is finally forced to introduce larger notes due to inflation, then you'll know that the lid has really come off.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:59 | 1536494 Mesquite
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As I remember, they had/have 10,000 US$ notes (for a long time)..

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:38 | 1536347 Dismal Scientist
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Tomorrow pre market open we will know Chinese CPI and Industrial Production numbers for July. Don't kid yourself, this market has one shred of hope left, namely that the Chinese can continue to grow without excessive inflation. If either, let alone both, of those numbers disappoint versus expectation, then all bets are off very quickly indeed.

At that point it really is duck and cover time. Which I guess lots of people here would welcome. I am curious how they will really feel about it if and when it happens...

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:26 | 1536422 Smiddywesson
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Those Chinese numbers are bogus.  Their growth is almost entirely due to government spending on empty cities and high speed rails.  The wages in the big coastal cities are no longer as competitive as they were.  Most importantly, global trade is about to take a big steaming dump as trade barriers go up.  The model that built China is unsustainable because the entire global economic model is unsustainable.  It was a Ponzi scheme to screw the middle class in the West to the benefit of the big multi-national corporations.  Those corporations are struggling now to hold their grip on political systems, economic systems, and trade, but a hungry population in each country has reached the breaking point.

You can hold onto hope that China will continue to grow, and what, dig out the economies of the world?  Without customers?  In a global depression?  Was a healthy China a growth engine for the West?  Why will an unhealthy China be good for the West?  That is a pipe dream.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 09:47 | 1536715 Dismal Scientist
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Sure, all govt economic statistics are bogus. If you read what I said, not what you think I said, then you'll find I was talking about whatever the bogus numbers are versus expectations. Thats what will drive markets in the short term, which was the observation I was making.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:38 | 1536348 Internet Tough Guy
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Oh noez, the ECB is taking debt on its balance sheet! Has anyone noticed that gold has soared? Where does gold appear on the ECB consolidated financial statement? Oh yes, line one. And the price floats. Looks like an asset of increasing value.

Now where is the price of gold on the Fed balance sheet? Hmmmm.....that's odd.

Now who wins and who loses?

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:42 | 1536352 KingdomKum
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We few, we happy few, we band of silver holders  .  .  .  !

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:44 | 1536353 sudzee
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When gov'ts and CB's try to cover their gold shorts the fun will begin. Non-existant gold reserves levered to the moon are not a good thing to be sitting on. Then again, a buy back with free printed digital fiat, should finally price a physical ounce to the real market price.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:45 | 1536356 Internet Tough Guy
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No one is covering anything. Cash settlement.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:30 | 1536432 Smiddywesson
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They have had 3 years to replace the gold in Ft. Knox, I would imagine they have used the time wisely.  As for leverage, the government doesn't care about paper or counterparty risk, they can just default on any paper and the gold is all theirs.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:47 | 1536359 RiverRoad
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Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.......THEN get back to business.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:04 | 1536361 falak pema
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Well, Trichet and ECB have played their part massively today. But the announcement that the emergency sovereign fund ceiling, underwritten by Germany/France, will NOT be raised, due to Germany's current veto, has chilled the sentiment. As Trichet has his ass exposed if the government sovereign fund does not follow up. The ECB will have to back pedal if this grid lock persists, as Sarkozy had promised them this week end (to Trichet), Germany's veto would not occur; it has now occured. Merkel is now getting cold feet.

Ding, dong, ding dong the pendulum swings...

BTW :If Timmah says EU needs bigger bail out fund then the opposite has to be true! Hamburger university default oblige; aka WB7's post.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:55 | 1536370 thunderchief
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I'm not happy at 40 silver.  It should be trading at sixty in this environment.  As usual last weeks three dollar drive by shooting had its effect.  FU JP Morgan.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 07:56 | 1536373 falak pema
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you should write to Ben and say so.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 09:51 | 1536745 OliverTwist
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and it is coming down ... surreal

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:06 | 1536386 falak pema
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speedy : how many times a minute does your avatar do her stuff? I can't look and count at the same time, like GF of old.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 08:19 | 1536410 DeadFred
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