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Gold Soars To Near Six Month High As Silver Overtakes Stocks In 2012

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A very noisy gappy day with much larger volume than in recent days (which all dried up in the afternoon session until the close - for the heaviest volume day in a month) in US equities. European comments lifted us early in a correlated-risk-on manner until Bernanke's speech which hit markets like a meteor - stops were run up and down - but by the close equities and the USD ended fractionally lower from pre-Ben (notably up on the day to save the month for the Dow), Gold considerably up from pre-Ben, Treasury yields down notably from pre-Ben. Near six-month highs in Gold and five-month highs in Silver were the real movers today - with their largest gains in two months. VIX ended marginally lower at 17.5% (-0.3vols); credit was very thin today and tracked stocks in general (though less volatile); USD ended the week -0.5% which matches Oil's +0.5% on the week as Copper underperformed. Silver has overtaken Stocks as the Year-to-date winner once again...

Gold vs Stocks vs USD vs Treasury yields... (arrows from pre-Ben to close)...7Y closed under 1%

 

left Gold and Silver at multi-month highs...

 

Leaving Silver the winner YTD...

 

Stocks were a mess all day post-Ben - especially the afternoon noise...but closed at VWAP - amid very heavy volume (month-end and all) but seemed to echo the last Friday buying. We closed at the low volume node (left hand distribution) of the recent range - having auctioned up early on, suspect we test back down by Sunday night...

 

It's month-end and the need to exit sizable positions was clear above but the last few minutes were quite fascinating in terms of the Algos In Action. Someone needed to dump a lot so they emplyed the 'tickle' algo to lift on low volume but higher block size, gradually wiping out the stack of orders encouraging a trend, getting followers to buy-in (as the crowd sees rising block size into and above VWAP - though not massive volume we should note), then flush their big block well above the start of the startegy - with any luck somewhere around VWAP...

 

Dow Transports end the month down 1.6%, The Dow managed to creep off unch todayt to make another green month but the NASDAQ was the big winner (thank you AAPL) as it ended the month up almost 5%...

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 

Bonus Chart: Facebook Is Barely Legal...


 


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Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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Barbarians!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment TrillionDollarBoner
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Relic hunters!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment camaro68ss
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Wheres RoboTrader? hows your FB, Netflix and Groupon doing?

 

I thought it only cost $10 to dig silver out of the ground. hahaha

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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I think he was last seen at Chipotle eating their LULU burrito. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:05 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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The bull trap phase in silver is almost complete. After the last of the silverbug lemmings have been sucked in, the capitulation phase will begin. This will be the last test of resistance before the final plunge below $20 and into the teens. Gold is a similar story, with industrial supply set to soar given the historically high turnover by gold miners. I feel sorry for goldbugs and silverbugs. They’re so naive – it’s like watching a car crash in action, but there’s nothing you can do to stop them. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment jomama
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1/10. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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He's sure got quite the reactionary vote for such a seemingly weak troll.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment MarcusLCrassus
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His posts are so formulamatic I wouldn't be surprised if that profile is also just one of those algorythim used by TPTB to try to sway message boards. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment fuu
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"This will be the last test of resistance before the final plunge below $20 and into the teens."

Whatever you say there Math Man, maybe your sub $20 will work out next summer.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:47 | Link to Comment akak
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"Only $5 to dig from the ground!"

 

;-)

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:13 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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With Face Book at a new all time low, go all in MDB. I'll go down with my gold and silver in a bad boating accident I am sure. You will be rich and dry.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment falak pema
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You have just done it by giving it your "red" light; which means "green" when translated from "bogus" to "bonus"!

You can't shadow box all the people all the time!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:17 | Link to Comment SilverNoob
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Thanks MDB.

 

Your check from the Fed is in the post.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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At ten cents a word, that post makes it clear how desperate some people are for ANY income.....

Living in their parents' basement loaded up with all that student debt, a shining future working for Wall Street turned into an ironic nightmare serving as a paid poster working as part of the MOPE machine all too aware of the mess you're paid NOT to acknowledge....   too bad booze and drugs are unaffordable.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 21:59 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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one times ten to the first power cents per word you say? Damn it all to hell, where is my thesaurus?!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:17 | Link to Comment EnglishMajor
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Suck this in, MDB, 8===D

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:34 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Gold/silver, like MDP said, is a ticking time bomb  Only a few months until silver is below $20.  

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Gold/silver, like MDP said, is a ticking time bomb Only a few months until silver is below $20.

Only way this happens(even remotely) is if the Market tanks.

Something tells me, this TIME, unlike '08,folks are not going to let go of Phyzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

IF they do, they are S_T_U_P_I_D.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Theosebes Goodfellow
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Yup, tha' 'splains why Russia, China, Mexico and everyone else is buying the livin' crap out of it. Because it's going to tank. Makes perfect sense to me. At least it will minimize my boating accident loses.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment nathan1234
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Guess you are part of Jamie's testicles!

Or is yours being by Blythe's ?

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:43 | Link to Comment duo
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Suppose it takes $30/oz to mine and refine silver.  What is the incentive for the mines to continue producing?  sub $20 silver means all the mines go on holiday (the ones that haven't been nationalized or shut down by OSHA).  How is that for price discovery? 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:44 | Link to Comment grid-b-gone
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I used to agree with Louis Rukeyser when he would make snide comments about flat-lined gold during his year-end review show - but that's also back when the Birinyi ruler was on a winning streak.

The huge difference today is that countries continue to print far in excess of their underlying growth, which is currently typically contraction.

Central banks used to expand money so as not to choke off growth due to a tight money supply. Now they use it as a competitive tool, keeping their currency artificially weak and excessively liquid to prop up exports, prop up reckless banks, and other non-core chores for these critical mediums of exchange.

Central bankers are too focused on what fiat manipulation can do and not preserving the core duties of a currency that it has done 'most-excellently' for many generations. I think CBs will exceed the tipping point at some point.

For only about $3K, most middle-class Americans can protect themselves with enough PMs to live safe and small for a few years.

That, and a good boat repair contact is about all one needs to put the outside chance of a total meltdown to one side and get back to living life.

Either that, or you can hope the politicians and bankers will eventually make everything like it used to be. For a small sum, I'll bet bankers and insiders can't lay off the crack, even knowing they'll lose everything if they lose control. 

Human nature. It's that simple.

 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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You are severely lost in the thick woods without a compass.  Three thousand in gold will protect you worth three thousand worth of living expenses as goods extrapolated into future costs.  How long can you live on 3K at today's cost of living?  Do you think 3K of gold will make you rich in the future?  You think currency manipulation is about propping up things, but the truth is currency manipulation is about stealing the life savings (past productivity) of past producers.  The future was already stolen through the roll-out of the credit bubble.  It has nothing to do with choking off demand, because demand is gone.   Pretty much, demand is gone forever.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 21:30 | Link to Comment grid-b-gone
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I am talking about a complete reversion to the pre-fiat mean  if CBs lose control. That is, if paper is viewed as worth only the paper it is printed on. I agree, all pensions, annuities, basically every future promise or anything priced in fiat (past productivity) will be obliterated, except where it exists as something real, like PMs, land, food, oil, and real estate.

I am talking about prices deflating maybe nearly back to 1950's or 1960s as people scramble to convert anything real into something that gets them through the next day, week, or month.

I am talking about personally entering the reset debt-free so as not to be forced to liquidate. 

I am talking about what many bloggers say is impossible because "there is not enough gold in the world" to reprice everything in gold."

I am talking of PMs being repriced even higher than most believe because attempts to confiscate will curtail available PMs even more than expected. 

I'm talking of the Joad's trading valued objects for enough gas to get to the next rumored town where the chance for a new start might exist.

I'm talking of Wang Lung considering trading all the land he worked a lifetime to acquire for just a few coins.

I am talking of a couple pre-'64 quarters buying groceries for a week.

Yes, if this happens, it will take more than $3K of today's PMs to be wealthy, but I'm not talking of betting everything this will happen. I'm talking of being able to cover food and shelter expenses, from a debt-free beginning position, and not ending up with pneumatic tires as a dwelling foundation.

And because it is unlikely most people can not accumulate PMs today without leaving an electronic record, I'm talking of a hoard not worth waterboarding anyone to fully understand the details of the boating accident.

I still hope the CBs chose their fellow citizens over their member banks, but they have not yet indicated this through their modus operandi. The european austerity attempt is probably the closest we've gotten to sanity returning. In the end, the market solution, reset, will be the likely solution. I think they understand fiat=conficence and conficence has a limit that once breached, leads to flooding. I'm just not sure they are capable of making a decision that favors the greater good over their own benefactors.

 

 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:00 | Link to Comment DosZap
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MillionDollarBonus_

Dude?,Dudette?, I so hope your correct.........................

But, I think your into the fairy dust yet again.

There will not be  ONE ounce of physical available if it turns out the way you say.

ONE billion dollars would wipe out the entire above ground known supplies here.

Reasoning for your prediction pls,as the state of the US of A's fiscal house, and the World is SO far down the drains, this will not be a repeat of '08.

Paper whores, sure................holders, hell no.

It will be a free for all to get all you can get your hands on,at those prices.

I feel sorry (no I really don't, they played the game, and have not prepared)  the paper whores that will be left with bloody arses and a pocketful of IOU's.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Roandavid
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I voted you down MDB ..... out of respect.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment turnus68
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I really hope that Silver will keep plunging for the next 10 years as much it plunged for the last 10 years.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Dugald
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Golly gee....I do so hope you are right....I still have a bunch of paper to get rid of....fingers crossed!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:48 | Link to Comment agent default
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Good.

Show us your gold and silver short positions then.  Either that or go fuck your mother. Shill.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:59 | Link to Comment knowless
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correct, before the value of the dollar is reassessed in comparison to it's counterparts. silver will hit $12. maybe even $0.12 an ounce.

 

the huge convex build in both gold and silver going into the labor day weekend is not a metaphor lost on me... lol, manipulation.

 

i can't imagine they let this last more than a week or so before dropping it like a bag of assholes. that being said, if shits real, then the earlier moves in today (parabolic) make me think i might need to start looking more seriously into concealed carry.

i'm still waiting for the low/mid twenties.. romney really put forward some good points recently, his rhetoric is unmatched by even the most sophisticated change.. hope.. .. ....

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 21:19 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Lol, Benny will keep on printing to buy up treasuries or US defaults. Either way anything other anything other than the dollar will do well.

Look at Zimbabwe or Argentina if you want some examples. What happened with their currencies?

 

 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 22:21 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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Someday soon, an urban Congoid/gangbanger is going to be extracting the gold from MDB's teeth. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment Cult of Criminality
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Camaro68ss

That was $5.00 according to mothman,mathman you know ,the one with the shovel ready ........(job)? lol

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:14 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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I took his advice and picked a bunch off the ground.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:54 | Link to Comment akak
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Typical US Citizenism citizen, parangongs of blobbing-up resources (unlike the monkish, non-resource-using Chinese) in order to continue farming the poor, throating their US Citizenism ideas, and monolizing the speeching means.  Make me laugh!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

Typical US Citizenism citizen, parangongs of blobbing-up resources (unlike the monkish, non-resource-using Chinese)

That's because production is consumption and, as everyone knows, the Chinese do not produce anything. Very simple to understand when you stop listening to the televised talking mouths of US citizenism.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:20 | Link to Comment akak
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And Chinese roadsides are full to overflowing with nightsoil, so ....

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:30 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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...so that represents the accumulated savings, the crustiest bits, of Chinese citizenism citizens.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:48 | Link to Comment Theosebes Goodfellow
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pair o' gongs?

 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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With facefuck being barely legal one would think that would be popular.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:04 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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I think the most surprising thing about FB, for me, has been the lack of massive short squeezes that have been so predominant in high profile stocks the past 5 years. 

Just put your money in house builder stocks and you will be fabulously rich.  I guess it is 2005 once again.  Facebook might not be fixed but housing cetainly is. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment falak pema
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the lost legions of Rome; their eagles in silver. No wonder Augustus was so pissed off. He had read ZH ! Tyler must be the original illuminati. They called him Argentus Maximus...He always said Ave to what Princeps wanted! 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:43 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Rome need not have fallen, the Barbarian hordes took it down because the Roman rulers would not give them ONE ton of Silver.

Had they agreed, they would have left. 2000#'s..........to save ROME.

Obviusly they did notmhave even that.

Ain't it a bitch.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:20 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Shaving denarius brought down Rome, that and overpaying the Praetorian Guard.

Inflation always takes down TPTB in the end. Barbarians are always at the gates, waiting.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:40 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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When the Republic turned into Empire - and took on the costs of acquiring and holding onto that Empire, Rome sealed its fate.  The US has done the same, with far less sensitivity to those it aspires to 'conquer and control'.  

The cost of control using sheer military force is ultimately unaffordable and bankrupting.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:04 | Link to Comment EnglishMajor
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Silver, bitchez!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Daily Bail
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Bring The Gold

If you can handle a little profanity, this might be the funniest shit of all time:

Bring The Gold & Keep The Cash To Line Your Panties

 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:45 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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always after me lucky charms.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 03:07 | Link to Comment LikeClockwork
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Sat, 09/01/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment MarcusLCrassus
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Reminds me of the one he did on George Washington:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

 

He'll save childred but not the British children...

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:28 | Link to Comment GraveyardSpiral
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What's old iz new again. How long do u think until this strategy is tried again? Another jump like today's and it'll be here before you can finish saying: Fuck Ben Berna........

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-24/gold-margins-raised-27-on-cm...

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment Red Heeler
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You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment SheepRevolution
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Damn right! We will be dreaming of these prices once silver hits three digits.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment exi1ed0ne
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When it comes to that, we'll be pricing silver in food and fuel rather than USD.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Red Heeler
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Two votes down from the sour-grapes losers that don't own any.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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Silver has been very volatile the past 18 months.  It could easily be back to $28 next week.  Anybody that wants to buy can still buy.  They shouldn't have to use those little red arrows.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:22 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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It could be back to $28...but what if all this gossip about a huge short position by JP Morgan ain't gossip.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 21:07 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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The best part is: the volatility we've seen so far is still all prelude.  Silver could hit $5 at any moment...according to "the market." 

You'll just never be able to buy it for less than $15. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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We will be dreaming of these prices once silver hits three digits.

Be careful what you wish for.  When silver passes $100 / oz the dollar will be crashing, the financial system will be crashing, and what's left of the economy will be crashing.

It won't be a pretty sight.

 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:44 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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And unfortunately your paper $ savings will be worthless.....   even in a BEST CASE scenario  (where the existing system holds on, and the figurative can is kicked down the road forever) the goal is INFLATION and a devalued dollar.......the Fed ADMITS that this is the goal, the only way to pay off the massive debt accumulated.  Your dollar today buys half of what it did a decade ago and will buy even less a decade from now.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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Exactly.  When silver gets way up there, everybody's metric of what something is worth is going to go through a radical adjustment, since dollars will be sooo passe.  

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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great panther, endeavor, all the rest- up!

winning at last?

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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About bloody time EXK caught a bid! Did you notice SSRI and SVM were both up around 8% as well? Nice day for silver (and gold) investors.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment yabyum
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God what a pleasure to make a few pesos on some miners, first time this year.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Dead Canary
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Boat, check:

Skuba gear, check:

Wench, check:

Time to visit the site of that tragic boating accident.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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It is a smart man that brings his own wench to the party. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Rakshas
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What's the wench for........ i thought the idea was to protect and keep your silver????

 

 

 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:31 | Link to Comment Dead Canary
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You guys are mean an stuff.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:48 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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someone has to don the scuba gear.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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He means "winch". You need a winch to winch your silver into the boat.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:23 | Link to Comment Dugald
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What's with youse guys do you all lisp...??

It's Wrench... Wrench! 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:48 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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He likely meant WINCH - silver is heavy.... but a busty lusty wench is far more fun......

however after he finds that silver he can play pirate and buy all the wenches he wants


Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Munkey
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I smell blood, the blood of slaughtered short positions.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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Except in FB.  When is that going to happen? 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Vincent Vega
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Let's give credit where credit is due. To the man who has single handedly given rise to PM prices; we say: Fuck You Bernanke!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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I'm pretty sure that was a team effort.  Even Michael Jordan had Scottie Pippen, Bill Wennington, BJ Armstrong, Steve Kerr, Horace Grant, etc.  And Bernanke is no Michael Jordan, not on monetary matters or anything else. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 21:58 | Link to Comment gtb
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If not for Will Perdue we'd probably all be asking, "Michael who?"

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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You aint seen nothing yet

 

war drums beating

Euro defaults?

martial law?

suspended elections?

DHS purchase of millions of rounds of illegal hollow points----WTF!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:59 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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1. war drums haven't stopped since 1917.

2. it's only a default if ISDA calls it a default

3. all nations with central banks reserving dollars are under de facto martial law while US citizens have been under martial law more or less since 1917

4. what are elections?  the POTUS is an ordainment, not the result of a general election.

5. ya got me there! +1!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:04 | Link to Comment Rakshas
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I SUPPORT HOMELAND SECURITY................

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonparlett/484012121/lightbox/

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment Rip van Wrinkle
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100% capital gains tax?

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:44 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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A minor point, but: hollow points are not illegal. In fact almost every law enforcement agency in the country (world?) supplies its officers with hollowpoints for their service pistols. They are less prone to overpenetration.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:51 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Legal for use at home against your own populace.  ILLEGAL according to inernational law for use in warfare.   So you can infer that the intended use is domestic (though W and Uncle Dick had few reservations about violating international law).

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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Partially correct. There was a Hague Convention article passed in 1899 that imposed a prohibition on "dum-dum" rounds in warfare BETWEEN PARTICIPATING NATIONS. This is not read expansively; therefore war between one participating nation and a non-participating nation is not subject to this restriction. It is important to note that the discussion centered around the .303 British rifle, and not a handgun. And the prohibition only applies to international warfare.

Far be it for me to endorse anything this government does; but we need to get our facts right here. For non-warfare related purposes, hollowpoint handgun ammo is preferred due to its propensity to mushroom upon hitting its target, thereby transferring all the energy to that target, rethar than passing through and hitting an unintended target downrange (granny). Mushrooming is also desirable when dropping a deer - for the same reason. 

No inferences may be made as to any government intentions to wage war against the populace at home from the simple fact that DHS is ordering standard-issue hollowpoint ammo for its agents and officers.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Itch
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Facebook reminds me of my penis....hilarious and heartbreaking at the same time.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:45 | Link to Comment lemonobrien
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sorry about that.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:49 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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too much information

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:52 | Link to Comment adr
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There are pills for that, they make the same promises as QE Ben.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment Brazillionaire
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So, yer not gettin' many "likes", eh?

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment Jena
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Does that have anything to do with your name?

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:44 | Link to Comment lemonobrien
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i call bullshit; no QE until after the fiscal cliff has been resolved; and not a day before the elections.

NOTE: I like golds, and silvers.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Thought criminal
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Yeah it's really strange nobody else calls BS when precious metals rise on pure speculation. Gold is the endgame instrument and is bound to drop significantly until they do the next QE for real. But at least today was a good display what will the market do when FED starts printing again - limited gains for equities and explosion in precious metals.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment lemonobrien
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i'm already hearing from traders how they gonna dump by tuesday.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:58 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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wait, when did you say the FED had stopped printing again? Next you'll be telling us ZIRP's off...

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Thought criminal
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By saying "printing again" i meant another round of QE of course and I think it's pretty clear from the context. But let's just give me a few kicks in the groin just because I don't promote precious metals after they were momentarily stimulated by more QE hopium.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:56 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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That was 'a few kicks in the canoe' to you? Man, are you sensitive. I was just kidding around, don't take it so personally; I didn't even give you the -1.

No offence, I just find it mildly amusing that these surreal days a dule of doves is considered a kettle of raptors.

You see me doing any promoting today?  Hmmm, you're right; I'm lagging:

fossickers' beaches! (h/t PeterB)

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Thought criminal
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I'm exaggerating of course. It's just that almost every time one starts talking bearish about PMs here, there's a negative response to that.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 21:24 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Well on a Friday when many ZH'ers (I'm sure) speculative positions rose a walloping ~6%, you're gonna have to expect a little sub rational over exuberance mixed with a healthy dose of very little patience for weekend party poopers.

 Try to bear in mind that as a group GoldBulls have been scoffed at and mocked for more than a decade, even as their wealth, er I dunno, dodecahedron'd. PM bears are a kind of running joke to them.

No, if you came on this thread to blow raspberries at honest money on a day as satisfying as today has been, you're going to need some thicker skin.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Sunday night theyll be hammering the hell outta the PMs.

BTFD baby !

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment adr
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From the charts you would have thought Ben announced QE3.

From the headlines you would have thought he announced QE 3,4,5, infinity.

I didn't hear or read anything that wasn't centered around we'll QE if we need to QE, and sadly that is all the market needed. The monkey threw another pile of shit at the zookeeper and he said keep it coming monkey.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Cult of Criminality
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Shining happy people  Gold and Silver shine

And a happy song imagine  it.   (or listen while you read)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8afojtw4UE&feature=related

How can you not like REM and Kate of the B-52S

GOLD AND SILVER SHINE....Like ....YOU !!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Midas
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It's very easy for me not to like REM.  I retune the radio almost as fast as if U2 is on it.  Kate's a sweetheart though...

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:13 | Link to Comment Cult of Criminality
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U2 or Bono are tased If I even listen to the radio which is not very often

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:54 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Those tangibles just keep spanking the intangible cotton candy markets.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:59 | Link to Comment JPMorgan
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I really missed the train today, I was holding out for a larger pull back and it just didn't happen.

Oh well back on the sidelines for now, we will see how next weeks price action progresses.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Midas
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I have tried to play the game of timing.  It is a frustrating, humbling, maddening experience.  You know what works though,  BTFD! AND KEEP STACKIN'

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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You didn't miss any train.  If you are accumulating as part of a long-term plan you can buy now and then pick two future points, maybe 1600 and 1800, at which you will buy more.  The world did not end today. 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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delete

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment dragoneyes74
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Silver to $38 and then $19.  If anyone can figure out how that can happen, let me know because that's what I think will happen.  I just don't believe it.  

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment cameldojo
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I'm not sure if you are as confused as you think I am.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:15 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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You missed the zero(s) after 19...

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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If silver drops to $19, a happy meal will contain beef.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:33 | Link to Comment Dugald
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Silver to 19 bucks..Oh frabjous day..Calloo Callay,

bring it on and still my beating heart.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:37 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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When silver goes back to $19, gas will go for a dollar, and you'll actually be able to buy penny candy again.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 04:04 | Link to Comment egam
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With Chinesse govt intending to make silver as a backing reserve at the year end??? No way man.

China will buy at any price. Prepare for fireworks in silver and gold.

I guess many countries will do the same as china, just look central banks buyings last months... more than 100% rise.

But, guys, think whatever you want. Fiat currencies seem to be very healthy, mostly Dollar. ;-)

 

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Cult of Criminality
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Most here knew Facebook would Faceplant. Why the surprise to the sheep...Eyes wide shut ?

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Cult of Criminality
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Thanks to Stanley for the heads up

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Ted Baker
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ACCORDING TO OUR SAR MODEL WE CONTINUE BEING BULLISH WITH LONG GOLD, CAD, MXN BUT SHORT EURO

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Cult of Criminality
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Wow FUU

Thanks, Mothman , AKA MDB

Now it all makes sense

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Arnold Ziffel
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"There's never been a better time then now to buy gold," my advsior said this week.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Frastric
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Big long-squeeze coming up... All those overleveraged long positions... Think October 4th 2011 just reversed...

Or if DOW 15000 then the next great bear market.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Lost Wages
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I was on CNN Money just now. They mentioned stocks went up 1.5% or whatever, but no mention of silver. But they did have GLD in the "trending" column. Derp.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Winston of Oceania
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If you were on why didn't you ask?

 /sarc

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Hangfire
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Stacks 5th avenue Bitchez!

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:19 | Link to Comment mrfreeman
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This is a very bizaare situation and it could go either way.  On the one hand, we are clearly overstretched and overbought here (with RSI over 70, soon to be 80+ ).  And I dread to think how huge the commercial shorts are now, oh wait the COT report is out soon so we will see.

However, this being an election year, it is obvious 'they' are propping up the markets come what may.  And it is a bullish time of year for Asian buying etc.  So maybe gold/silver will hang in there and continue rising now they have broken their overhead resistance?  There is still considerable upside possible.  But do you want to take that risk?

Ah, here we go:

http://news.goldseek.com/COT/1346441647.php

Gold commercial shorts increased by 32402 contracts.

Silver commercial shorts increased by 6097 contracts.

Hmmmm, I think that answers 1 of our questions...?

Actually, THESE charts visualise things more clearly:

http://nowandfutures.com/images/cot/SI.png

http://nowandfutures.com/images/cot/GC.png

Tyler, do you agree with the correlation between peaks on the commercial shorts, preceding smackdowns?  Just look at the 28/2, it is clear as day.  I hope this isn't leading up to a similar thing.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 20:42 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Where to you draw in manipulation on the charts ?

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Hohum
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Guess how the indices have fared:

Dow 7.2% YTD

S & P 11.9%

NASDAQ 17.7% (we have a winner!)

Silver  14.2%

Gold  8.7%

Everyone's a winner, baby!  Except oil, down about 2.4%

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 19:20 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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technicals bitch!

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