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Gold Surges As Market Remembers Definition Of "Dilution"
Yesterday, when charting the global multi-trillion central bank stealth reliquification (aka the primary driver for the market to surge 20% in the past several months, and since "the market, or Russell 2000 is the economy" just as the ChairSatan, to result in what naive commentators define as an economic bounce), we said "As a reminder, when gold was at $1900 last summer, central banks had pumped about $2 trillion less into the markets. We expect the market to grasp this discrepancy shortly." With gold about $30 bucks higher, the market is finally starting to "grasp it", and is now back to $1755, as silver passes $34.
Gold is this:
Because of this:
And this:
And much more is coming.
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Paul Krugman said "Why would i buy gold at Tops!"
Soros said, "Gold iz zee ultimate baubble!"
Ultimate - Definition:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ultimate
Bubble: A bull market in which I don't have a position.
16 trillion deficit may have something to do with that bubble.
16 trillion is the debt, no?
Well sure.....that's what I meant to say! Heh heh.....you got me there doc. ;-)
@ 0z
+ 1 for just the moniker, + 2 overall.
But, I hear you re me never seeming to be in a Bubble on the way up...
The difference is that Soros says it is a bubble, so he can buy yours.
In 1913 every $50 of national debt was backed by one ounce of gold in the Treasury. Today every $50,000 of national debt is backed by one ounce of reported gold in the Treasury. Based on that metric, in 1913 Dollars you are getting gold at about $1.75 an ounce. I question his definition of a top.
What goes up, must come down.
Short the EUR/USD or CHF/USD (I prefer) is much more lucrative...
...and this blog is about making money, right? Right?
There is no market in FOREX. Those rates are agreed upon and set by central banks. If I was stupid enough to bet in that market, I'd continue to say the same thing I said when the EUR was at 1.27--They are taking it back up to 1.50 like they always do.
Nouriel loses again, bitchez
http://azizonomics.com/2011/09/01/why-nouriel-roubini-is-wrong-about-gold/
I shorted the Yen against the Dollar last Wednesday when the BoJ announced they were going to purchase $180 Billion worth of assets. Worked alright for me...
Actually no dollars are backed by gold in the Treasury.
Then why is it called treasury?
Paul Krugman doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. What does he know of tops or bottoms? Remember, he supported our Nobel Laureate in Chief, too.
Freegold, freesilver, and Ron Paul!
Amen Hoof!
P'one
Krugman is just another shill, who always words himself in a such way, he can later claim his apparent position on an issue was in fact "misunderstood"; aka the man is spineless.
Of course, that those of us who "misunderstood" read articles where he recommended starting QE programs to the tune of $8-10tn, building lots and lots and lots and lots of roads to nowhere, but at the same time make sure public debts "didn't become excessive". An extra 50+% debt/GDP apparently isn't excessive.
Hope and Change (_*_)'s
Gold, bitchez!
PSI, bitchez! Has Ben got a deal for you:
Exchange your gold for plated tungsten with 30% of the value, to be doled out over 30 years.
Proposed name: the Roosevelt Plan, complete with Collective Action Clause (a vote of Congress obliges all holders to swap).
@ Mr Lennon
+ 1 of course
Physical gold & silver only. 'less of course you are a speculator rather than a saver.
Hasta la vista paper whores.
The gold and silver charts are long overdue for a breakout. I do think it will take a few more weeks for them to gather the steam to breakout. I am looking at silver breaking out in about 2-3 weeks. The breakout price is $36. Once silver breaks $36 it should move to $42 before getting caught range bound.
Gold will of course break its nominal high around that time, $1880, and hoot to abouts $2200, before it gets caught rangebound.
The dates I am looking for are the breakout starting on March 5th, and finishing March 19th. Then of course fundamentals take over once again. If Greece defaults its debt payment on March 20th (it won't and the bonds will be rolled) then PMs will go sky high. Most likely the bonds will be rolled (thanks in large part from MF Globals rehypothecated sub accounts being wired to JPM - yes, that is what those funds will be used for, to support the Europonzi) and PMs will find a range for a month or so before taking off upwards again.
We are at a point where I do not see another significant pullback coming for awhile though. Gold would need to move above $2500 to correct to $2200, and silver would need to test $50 before pulling back to $44.
Mr.L H -"Then of course fundamentals take over once again" Really? The bedrock fundamental truth that an imaginary number of fiat FRN's somehow is a representation of the true worth of gold. Are you some kind of advisor to GS? I'd rather ask my dog what she thinks.
Then don't read my posts.
Piss up a rope!
Don't go looking for trouble. Cheeky would have ripped you a new one by now. I'm just not up to his standards.
"Piss up a rope!"
If I were you (and thank God I'm not)..., I would practice reading and comprehension before posting.
the irony is that the banker cabal is fully aware that fiat will collapse, and no doubt has socked away enough gold to buy the world four times over. its all a matter timing and perception. after the fiat world burns, they will own any productive asset worth owning. and the masses will officially return to serfdom.
That would be an improvement from slavery
I don't know how we could get any worse from the current state of slavery in which we live (besides .gov emloyees or 'overseers')
I suppose if they physically put us in cages and raped us. Maybe they'll wait a few years and introduce that at airports.
Troops march on the White House for Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHAnGCsSkQU
Recently I have been pondering the possibility that there will be a rise of mutiny and disobedience in the US military if the troops see no hope that the strategy will change. It goes beyond me why they should be fighting abroad when the enemy is domestic and most of the "missions" makes no strategic sense and actually weaknes the US.
When you see more and more videos of soldiers in uniform expressing their dissatisfaction (actually they are not allowed to do that, so it's a light form of mutiny), you have to start wondering what the intellectual undercurrent is of that.
+ 1 for interesting comments on our military.
Our Constituion, bitchez!
The US military will never act against a legitmate government. As much as I dislike the current administration they are in power legally.
The men and woman who work each day to keep us free and safe respect the Consitiution, as quaint as that may sound, and will never do anything to destroy it.
It is up to the non-military citizens to create the change needed to right the mess in Washington.
fxrxexexdxoxmx
the current administration they are in power legally.
The Military Oath is to the Constitution, first and foremost.
The current administration, is subject to removal by force if they start issuing illegal(anti Constitutional Orders), by the Military.
THAT is their first priority.
5 Lessons of Global Babylonian Banking Cartel Ponzi Schemes
Lesson 1 Engineer financial instruments that no-one can understand.
Lesson 2 SELL SELL SELL (said financial instruments)
Lesson 3 Buy everything with profits - Countries, Governments and Companies. There is nothing and no-one that cannot be bought.
Lesson 4 Install Banking Cartel Mafia into all financial levers and positions of power
Lesson 5 Use bought Media for Propaganda to LIE LIE LIE. Importantly do it while smiling - "Gold is not money"
--------- ONLY REFER TO BELOW IF LESSONS 1 - 5 FAIL -----------------------
Lesson 6 Having exhausted last 5 Lessons with failure ensure escape routes. Hoard PMs and Commodities like a mofo and when everything has gone kaput rise like a phoenix off the ashes.
Lesson 7 If having applied Lessons 1 - 6 results in failure ensure escalation to DEFCON 5 - the final hedge - TOTAL WAR.
Quadrillion dollar question is which country will go back to the Gold Standard first? Will they allow it outside of their country? Obviously they will not accept paper for it, but will they accept petroleum?
"Gold and Silver, Silver and Gold!"
Platinum doesn't suck either. lol
I see your point and understand your position on platinum, but have you ever considered that GOLD, BITCHES?!?!?!
+ 1
Platinum is my favorite as well. Pt prices are creeping up on gold over the past couple of days. And Pt Eagles are HARD to find. Plenty of Pt Nobles, but I would rather have the Eagles.
Some kind of a Pavlovian response to say... say... don't say it.... SILVER BITCHEZ!
edit - oh, nevermind - hendrix beat me to it
It's ok. Here, have a podcast.
TFMR interviews John Williams of Shadowstats.com:
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/podcast/3339/tfmr-podcast-12-john-williams-shadowstatscom
At the very least it will get rid of the trolls that never contribute financially to this site for a day. But this cannot last, because Robot told us so.
:)
¡ Cómo es barbárico !Palladium
¡ paladio, cómo es barbárico tambien!
"barbarico" is what the bankers are doing to the good people of greece. Hijo de su puta madre JohnKozac
@engineertheeconomy
I keep hearing about Palladium but as a relatively newcomer to the whole PM concept, I am wondering how Palladium does in a recession / depression.
Platinum and palladium are not precious metals. They are expensive industrial metals.
Do you research before investing, PM's are for the long term, never invest more than you can afford to lose. Having said that, the 5 PM's are Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium and Rhodium. They are all used as money legally in some country or another. Paper is only paper, and it's value NEVER goes up over time. Definately get into something physical - Olivia Newton John
+ 1
I like palladium too.
i recall the inverted logic of stock dilution in the 90's. the more stock the higher the price of the stock went. their logic was superb, with a larger float holding the stock of that company was actually easier. the logic from a hedge fund managers perspective is that you didn't want to own too much of something, because the exits can get very crowded. by increasing the volume of stock certificates that stock was suddenly too large to fail!
now i suppose owning any sort of fiat demands that we dilute the amount so that runs on the bank and such are never going to happen! why would there be a run on the bank, we're printing more certificates, and by making them sell proof the value must therefore increase.
as an addendum to the bob prechter jaguar story, what happens when everyone has two jaguar cars? the short answer is they don't want anymore, the long answer is, there's no place to sell them either. the market can never go down, keep making more jaguars!
34 bones has been a real ceiling for silver, lets see it stay above and climb that figure. It is time to hug your local coin shop owner.
China cuts reserve requirements: is it too late?
http://investinginchinesestocks.blogspot.com/
Deflation is now settling in. The big question is how bad is the real estate slowdown? If the optimists are right, the sector will stabilize in the second half and central bank easing will help spur growth to offset negative shocks. If it's bad, the PBOC is behind the curve and more serious deflation will follow. Then the money spigots will open and we'll really see some inflation accompanied by currency depreciation (unlike the brief dip in late 2011). Then we may see a China gold frenzy that puts the past two years to shame.
¡cortes de tipo de interés, cómo es barbárico!
Can someone explain to me what central bank bond holding will accomplish? hope to accomplish?
Should I assume they are buying their own bonds?
Will accomplish = currency debasement, massive inflation, and uber civil unrest
Hope to accomplish = defer above until they are out of office
Gold is the new 401K.
That is, if the US Government doesn't hold a gun to your head and take the shit, first.
If they even try to do that, I have a gun I can point right back. They will have to pry either from my cold dead hands. Remember the Bugs bunny cartoons where Fudd would pull out a rifle, then Bugs would pull out a bigger one, then Fudd a bigger gun, then the cannon get rolled out? Ha, ha. This is gonna be some crazy shit this week! Yeeha!
oops dupe
Most of us with that kind of 401K also have an AK, an AR, and other kinds of high velocity deliverance mechanisms...
OOOOH, gosh, my "401K" was in a back-pack in the back seat of my car and I forgot to lock the hatchback when I went in to buy some groceries... Somebody grabbed it and took off.... I didn't call the cops because my insurance wouldn't have covered it anyway... sorry, officers, I just don't have it anymore...
we few, we happy few, we band of silver holders !
We are our own 1%
Hold on to your big yellow Turd Ferguson hats! Is reality finally setting in? Will the great runup finally begin? PMs bitchez!
Patience, young Skywalker. Patience.
4 years ain't enough? Shit, this farce has gone on long enough. (not young, not a Skywalker, BTW) At some point the bullshit can be smelled by everyone, we are getting close, smells like an outhouse. C'mon, haven't had much else to be happy about for awhile. : )
As one vulture said to the other: Patience my ass, I'm gonna kill something! (I am on a real cartoon thing today, Looney Tunes!)
No way. Joe 6-pack doesn't want to smell the bullshit, and all he sees in the news is a nice downward trend in unemployment and DOW 13K. Winning.
But on the bright side, you can keep on piling up the PMs, ammo, and foodstuffs while we wait for inevitable crunch. Time is a gift.
Where would you guys recomend buying silver from? In physical form not pieces of paper.
Anywhere you can. I prefer cash exchanges from local coin shops, on craigslist, or whatever. You can also buy online,but you leave a paper trail. Most of us who have done that also seem to have hd terrible boating accidents involving our precious, so maybe that is not completely recommended....
I don't know about pm transactions on craigslist. Too easy to set yourself up for some kind of scam, theft or ~murder~ there be monsters
Your local coin shop might dip into you for a little profit, but he usually won't kill you
out of curiosity, what is your primary concern on paper trails? Are you concerned with the gov't using the data for confiscation?
I like my local coin shop. I pay cash, they ask no questions, no paper trail, etc. They only charge $1-2 per ounce commission.
There was a shortage of silver when it dipped, but now the junk silver buckets were full. You should have a nice selection available at your shop. If you want to spend big money, buy a monster box online.
I like these folks:
http://www.coloradogold.com/
You should first outline the form of silver you want to hold. 100oz bars, junk silver, bullion coinage (Eagles, Maples, Onzas, etc), and the amount you want to spend. All these are variables that affect your choice of seller. I could offer suggestions but not without a narrowing of the objective.
Gold is in a bubble...Silver too...
spread the news....
disclaimer: im still stacking biatchez!
Paper, bitchez. Oh...nevermind.
The gold/silver ride will continue to be bumpy as it has always been.If you have been buying physical for a while, just enjoy the ride!
The Kitco webpage for the gold price is having trouble refreshing, I wonder why.
$5000 GOLD coming to a Theatre near you in 2015
Nah, the system will implode before it gets there.
Need to mention something here. My wife watches TV, I gave up on it a couple of years ago. But I pay attention when the news channels she flips back and forth to report what they think is "news". Now the rise in oil prices and gas that we all feel at the pump. They talk about Iran, geopolitical stress, refinery outage as the reasons for the rise in prices. This is true, but they never mention the real reason for our inflation and price increases which is just beginning. The absurd, insane policies of the fed and our govt. Not once do they mention the 15+ trillion in debt, soon to be 16, then 17 Trillion.
MSM just refuses to be truthful with citizens. And this will not change. That is why we have to look for the truth elsewhere. I think here is a good place to start.
And from ShadowStats. If inflation is measured in real terms, prior to 1980, when oil and food mattered, before all parameters changed, which of course we need little of now. Real inflation, 10.5%. That is fact.
But I still do not short this market. Liquidity has to go somewhere, but I am watching those bonds. Tempest in a storm?
Bonds are the intermediary vehicle for stock liquidity, so as long as fresh fiat is pumping into the system, there's no reason to think bonds or stocks are really going to drop all that much, at least on a nominal basis.
"Today, a 1% interest rate on a checking account is a pretty good deal. They can be found, but they’re often available from local banks and are prone to change. In fact, I’d suggest that a 0.5% interest rate on a checking account, given the current state of interest rates, is something to be happy with. Why is that so important?
Well, let’s say you maintain an average balance of $2,000 in your checking account throughout the year. Just for keeping that account open, the bank gives you $10 over the course of the year. You don’t have to do anything to get that ten dollars. Just keep your account open with that average balance and you’re good. Now, that seems like a relatively small amount, but the key thing is that you don’t have to do anything to collect it. If you choose a bank that offers some form of interest checking, you’ll simply get the money slowly throughout the year simply for having the account open. Interest on a checking account is a perfect example of what I think of as “effortless money.” It’s one of those things that, once you’ve made an initial decision or take an initial action, it continues to either earn you money or save you money in the future."
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Simple-Dollar/2012/0220/A-checking...
hee, hee, hee....with effortless money, who the fuck needs Gold and Silver....
So that $2,000 gets you $10 at the end of a year.
And now your $2010 is worth about ... oh ... $1800 - $1850 due to inflation / cost of living increase.
What a plan.
Putting your money in a bank is like buying a guaranteed depreciating asset.
Well, we know that at least ONE banker must read these posts.
Doesn't change the fact that banking your money is a losing proposition.
deprecaiting and occasionally disappearing asset. if only you could believe that assets values didn't a long way to fall would you dump your paper and buy them, but anyone who buys a house, or a car, or even a block of gold is only likely to see those asset values fall further, with the cost of holding all those things substantial, reverse dividends.
Kaiser Sousa
Where you kicked out of junior high?
You think making 1%, or .5% is a deal?...........when the rate of inflation is over 10%,your only losing your ASS.
Ain't it funny how gold "returns" enough in appreciation to remain essentially flat. Hey! We've just defined STORE of VALUE. Some folks just don't get how that works.
apparently many here didnt bother to notice my first comment above on this story...
who would have thought omitting a "sarcasm off" notation would have garnered such swift and errant criticism...
been stacking both Ag & Au for a very long time...chill the fuck out and pay closer attention...
jeez
I got your post (MAx) Keiser.
Wherefore are these dweebs downvoting a good post ridiculing the pretend "interest" paid on depreciating paper? (depreciating for the time being ... .then it's gone)
helluva world the only place your money is safe in you mattress, and inflation is running double digits?may i have a little risk premium please, sir?
Apparently the writer of this article doesn't understand the liquidity of ETF's, nor the ease in investing in said vehicles.
Colorado bill would legalize gold, silver currency
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500395_162-57381340/colo-bill-would-legalize...
I like this guy, Colorado Bill. He has a cool name, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6SmRz3y4ps&feature=player_detailpage
Gaws, it's been range fed long enough. Move em dawggie out!
Pull a string, make the world safer. Push a string and make the world poorer.
other way please...i need a dip to buy more ASE's!
Fuck that. Grow a pair, sell a little at top, when it drops if ever, buy the dip then.
Or stop going to the tittie bar so much and start shoving into Metals.
Am I doing it wrong if I am bringing ASEs to the tittie bar to put into bikini straps?
But Market forgot the fine print "manipulation".
BTW, with the oil hitting 105, I wonder when will CME raise margin on the oil. Obama need to suppress oil price to boost Consumer confidence. And they need to suppress the price of oil prior to invasion.
Oil hits 9 month high in NY
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/02/19/iran_halts_oil_exports_to_britain_france_amid_uranium_enrichment_report.html?wpisrc=twitter_socialflow
Gallup polls unemployment at 9%
http://t.co/oL6x5Q1a
Dunno bout you, but *I'm* bullish on PMs
DJA crosses 13,000 for a few milliseconds and the morons at CNBS go wild in circle-jerk, pagan worshipping to the all mighty capitialism god of ignorance.
Nah, they are not ignorant... They are paid to pump.
At my local coin shop you can buy pre 1965 US quarters loose in a plastic sandwitch bag for 75% of spot calling four quarters an ounce.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_(United_States_coin)
4x1.75=7 USA quarters for the ounce spot price or silver ounces in bar form traded(think I did the math right).
Most people recognize pre-1964 quarters and know they have extra value.
Few realize they are worth $5usd today more or less
Just saying.
Get quarters and get a life.
I need some ammo.
bill
Sheeit and the coin ops got all of my Quarters.
Wow, pretty ferengi thinking on the part of those in power...
Bill Shockley
Bill,
And would you share this good news with us?.
I would like to buy some of those quarters.
Are margin hikes on gold and silver futures more closely tied to price or warehouse inventory? Is there any method to anticipating when they will strike next?
Damn, I listened to Gartman.
/sarc
Futures = Imaginary Friends with Money.
Paper shares = Burn to keep warm while waiting for the money.
Take physical and forgetaboutit.
ZH had it right this is a gold rush one we can all learn from that will continue Gold Rush http://www.traddr.com/profiles/blogs/gold-rush
Paper sucks, you Wall Street fucks! I'll see you vampires in the sun, with my loaded silver gun. Yer goin' down in flames, from Lower Manhattan to the Thames. Your paper is I know not where, I'd rather shit my underwear! For, be there bull, or be there bear, silver is the suit I wear! (With gratitude, and apologies to Dr. Seuss.)
The only paper I own is the stuff I wipe my ass with. Market paper is worthless, because I cannot do a good job of wiping my ass with it. Gold was worth $28.00 an ounce when I was a kid. Silver was worth whatever was printed on the coin you spent. Any one think those days are coming back? All of the lying bum fucking aristocracy of the Age Of Paper Power can burn in their paper suits soonest. I won't even bother pissing on them to put out the flames. I collect gold, silver, lead, copper, real dry powder, food, tools, diesel fuel, and other useful commodities. There is a community of folks all doing the same, so skill sets and extra eyes and hands can guard each others sixes, and "break on through to the other side, break on through to the other side, YEAH "
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