Gold Takes Out 200DMA...The Other Way

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Tue, 12/20/2011 - 20:48 | 1999481 Squishi
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POOP HD 

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 20:53 | 1999495 camaro68ss
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Time to buy more gold with my fiat toilet paper

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:08 | 1999540 fnord88
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Yup. The government is a bunch of puppets disguised as clowns. They can keep their clownbux.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:12 | 1999554 I think I need ...
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this is an overnight deal now,,,,,all these charts mean nothing,,,,,,its going to be revalued overnight

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:15 | 1999565 strannick
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Dont forget to give Big Roub a tweet when we hit the new highs, while he's waiting to buy at 14 hun.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:21 | 1999574 DormRoom
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don't forget to tweet Roubini an apology when the gold collateral trade unwinds, and the mountain of leverage from the Gold repo trade goes bust, and collapses the gold market.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:40 | 1999641 tmosley
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You can keep your dumb "market", I'll hold on to the gold, thanks.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:58 | 1999696 nmewn
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Whoop der it is...lol.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 22:16 | 1999752 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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don't forget to tweet Roubini an apology when the gold collateral trade unwinds, and the mountain of leverage from the Gold repo trade goes bust, and collapses the gold market.

Gold collateral trade....unwinds....you mean when Bernanke sells USTs and MBS (not to mention corporate equity/debt) back into market?  When the hell is that going to happen?

 the mountain of leverage from the Gold repo trade goes bust....you mean paper gold decouples from physical,,,,but that's when I want to own gold!

Dorm Room, I swear you are just writing these things for fun

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 22:44 | 1999827 strannick
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Yeah, like the yen collapsed when its carry trade was unwound? Or like the dollar has been collapsing now? I think DormRoom meant to write 'explode' instead of 'collapse'.

Roubini -like other radically wrong anti-gold gonzos- will be getting condolences, not apologies.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 23:24 | 1999934 redpill
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Actually he'll get nothing.  Worse than nothing to be precise.  In fact, suddenly every vacuous talking head on CNBC and Bloomberg will suddenly have total amnesia and entirely forget his name and everything he has ever said, and immediately pretend they haven't had him on their show countless times rhetorically whacking him off while he says the same irrational dumbass things.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 23:37 | 1999959 trav7777
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let's not crow about day to day movements to the upside anymore than Joubini crows about them to the downside

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 23:46 | 1999979 tmosley
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Right, only you get to do that.  Inferior Arabs don't have that right.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 23:58 | 1999997 Alienated Serf
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roubini is a persian jew, not arab.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:06 | 2000012 tmosley
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Don't confuse Trav with such distinctions.  He won't know whether he is superior or inferior.

Definitely don't tell him that Jews and Arabs are about as genetically distinct as the Welsh and the Scots.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:22 | 2000035 bob_dabolina
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Here's some food for thought. 

Did you know that the emancipation proclamation was actually written by the largest slave owner in Maryland and that slaves on the border states like Maryland were never "freed" 

Also, did you know that Abraham Lincoln not only wanted to free the slaves but his intentions were for them to be shipped back to Africa?

What's really funny about Obama is that he idolizes Obama even using Lincolns bible on his innauguration day. Goes to show how many American history books Obama read.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:27 | 2000045 tmosley
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You mean the original big government liberal was actually a racist, just like the vast majority of modern day liberals are?

Say it ain't so.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:47 | 2000070 markmotive
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Fade the risk rally. It was built off Housing Hopium: http://seekingalpha.com/article/315183-3-reasons-to-fade-today-s-rally

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 02:50 | 2000218 wanklord
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Americans are a bunch of stupid animals

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 04:44 | 2000317 Jendrzejczyk
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Have you been hanging out at my Wall(s)mart again?

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 05:04 | 2000326 pine_marten
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Who tramples one another at football matches?

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 11:17 | 2000983 Hugh_Jorgan
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Sorry, but a "safe haven" is not something that is guaranteed to deliver 25% gains, annually. Why do so many educated people look at PMs the same way they look a a share of AAPL? Gold is a safe haven because it will never be worthless, unlike all the fiat currencies, bonds, warrants and any other BS security mankind dreams up. During the period we are entering, the previous "pillars" of our society are no longer trustworthy so we cannot expect a low level of risk when we invest in them. So if we want to preserve any wealth, we must treat anything of intrinsic value as the investement of choice. Land, food, guns, ammo, PMs and solid family/friendships.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:51 | 2000078 bob_dabolina
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Anyone who doesn't sacrifice a lamb at the alter for blacks is a racist to you

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:31 | 2000048 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The Civil War was not about slavery.  The War was about shedding blood.  They wanted to issue War Bonds, and guess who did?  The Banking Houses of Morgan and Delano.  They wanted to sell guns and guess who did?  Rockefeller.  Then after the war, pretending to free the slaves, they mandated the constitution to read that corporations were people.  The rest is HIStory.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 01:58 | 2000163 Freddie
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Morgan was one of the Rothschilds errand boys.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 02:07 | 2000171 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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maybe

or maybe he is in the Puritan side of the establishment along with the Pierces, Harrimans, Huntingtons, Russells....

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 03:17 | 2000242 thatguy
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"When the Jesuits were expelled from every Catholic country in Europe, their only refuge was Russia, Great Britain and the United States. Thousands of them flocked to this country to carry on their war against the Reformation under the banner of U.S. tolerance and freedom of religion for all. Among them were the Morgans, Roosevelts and German Roggenfelders. Roggenfelder was later changed to Rockefeller to make the name sound less German.  Rockefeller was 22 and already wealthy when the Civil War began. He refused to enlist when President Lincoln asked for 75,000 volunteers. Like J. P. Morgan and the father of Teddy Roosevelt, he paid for a substitute to fight for him. He even refused his younger brother the measly sum of $75.00 to meet his enlistment expenses.  His brother had to fight.....Rothschild controlled National City Bank of Cleveland gave him his first loan" But my real response is that everyone is one of Rothschilds errand boys in one way or another......I just remember reading this about John D.  He refused....how times have changed.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 03:30 | 2000254 longonSpam
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I'd love some sourcing for this.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 02:11 | 2000177 wee-weed up
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“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of, making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

-- Abraham Lincoln

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 03:10 | 2000233 thatguy
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You mean he idolizes Lincoln,right?

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 10:17 | 2000763 fuu
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Obama idolizes Lincoln for using Lincoln's bible?  That still doesn't make sense.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 02:29 | 2000192 lemonobrien
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here here, arogance always leads to a swift kick in the nuts. If I was bernank, i'd be in here, talk'n shit, then, pow, drop that bitch a $100, $200. Come back the next day, and bitch slap those feel'n da pain;

don't smite thee.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 23:38 | 1999946 DormRoom
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must read:

IMF Working Paper
Research Department
Velocity of Pledged Collateral
Prepared by Manmohan Singh

 

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2011/wp11256.pdf

 

I assume gold to be used collateral [1], and highly leveraged. Thus the gold collateral trade.  So when the trade unwinds, gold prices will likely collapse.

 

[1] http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2011/10/06/694891/lch-clearnet-to-accept...

 

yall assume the demand for gold is for long term investing, but I say its demand is from financialization, so actors can leverage.  Thus when the need to leverage dissappears, so will the demand.

 

The same collateral trade is likely being mirrored with the financialization of copper

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 23:39 | 1999962 trav7777
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gold is what is leveraged, though...people aren't levering other things to buy gold.  You seem to have your facts slightly awry

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 23:44 | 1999975 DormRoom
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yes you are right.  I constructed the sentence poorly.  big players are likely buying gold, using it as collateral, so they can leverage up for other trades.  This seems like a short term strategy, and may unwind abruptly.  So I'm just saying be careful out there in goldland.  That's all.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:49 | 2000071 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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That doesn't make any sense.  You don't just leverage gold.  You have to spin a loan from the reserve to leverage anything.  If you loan the gold, then you have leveraged it based on what you do with the assets (cash).  Otherwise, you are holding gold as a reserve.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 00:40 | 2000059 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Trav, they are leveraging the whole fiat system on the gold reserves of the Central Banks balance sheets.  The only performing asset that is left on the books is gold.  Gold is leveraged ad infinum.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 07:05 | 2000395 Al Gorerhythm
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715,000,000,000,000 just for sweeteners.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:48 | 1999669 TheMadApe
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So what you are saying, in your own sweet little retarded way, is that the papertards will discount physical again. GREAT. I will add more to my collection while you to continue to live in la la land.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:58 | 1999693 LynRobison
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Do you know what to do if gold drops to $1400? Accumulate physical gold!

Do you know what to do if gold drops to $1000?  Accumulate a whole lot more physical gold!

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 03:53 | 2000274 Livingstrong
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If GOLD drops that much, to 1,000 USD, believe me, you will not be able to find coins. I would certainly would not sell my coins at that price. Gold will be horded and kept until prices start to spike up again. I confess, it would be nice if it dropped to 1,000 or less, I would buy tons of more golden beauties (coins)!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 22:49 | 1999853 Stoploss
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"Gold market" that's funny.  Gold is forced into a "market" so it can be controlled. Gold comes in pretty handy when there aren't any "markets" left to restrict it. Try a little pre roman/roman history, instead of porn, just for shits and giggles. You might learn something. Sitting in the dorm room all day.

Wed, 12/21/2011 - 01:19 | 2000107 Whalley World
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Dorkroom

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:21 | 1999577 tooktheredpill
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phd or no phd - still only human as Agent Smith would say

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:22 | 1999586 tooktheredpill
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and treasuries are still supposedly a safe haven too - go figure

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:33 | 1999619 Money 4 Nothing
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I don't disagree, but.. who does the revaluing? Caution.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 22:35 | 1999820 Tuco Benedicto ...
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I'll give you a hint.  They are a gaggle of demons recreated in the dead of winter in December, 1913 in the hallowed halls of the U. S. Congress.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 22:33 | 1999812 Tuco Benedicto ...
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That's what Gerald Celente says is coming in 2012.  Go to bed Sunday night.  Wake up Monday morning with fiat Federal Reserve Note devalued by, let's say 40%.  There are haircuts and there are "HAIRCUTS"!  It happened in Argentina in 2011 and it will happen here!

"If it is written on paper, it is worth the paper it is written on."   Pastor Lindsey Williams

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 23:57 | 1999995 seek
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Happened in the US in 1933 as well -- 41% devaluation. And we were latecomers, Australia, New Zealand, Japan all did it in '31, and nine major currencies had devalued by the end of '33. This was the whole reason behind the gold call-in and issuance of fiat at a new exchange rate in the US. Now that we're floating, it's even easier to devalue. (And anyone holding gold is even better off.)

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 21:13 | 1999553 russki standart
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It would not surprise me to see gold go back down to $1400 even after this uptick. In the short term, gold is affected by technical market factors, but the long run fundamental factors have not changed. Aside from certain price targets well up in the 5 figures, I will only sell my gold when some of the following conditions are satisfied:

-Fed. Reserve voluntarily disbands and the successor institution promises to link money printing to hard productivity gains.

-EU breaks up and each member competes to have the hardest currency

-Iran abandons plans to build a nuclear weapon, Syria reforms without bloodshed, Israel recognises Palestine,  NATO agrees to disband, Russia becomes a republic, the US government renounces force and become isolationist.

-Lindsay Lohan renounces sex, drugs and fame, shaves her head and becomes a buddhist nun.

-China becomes a democracy.

-AGW scientists are respected and revered by 80%+ of humanity and help establish an new one world green religion based on mutual suicide pacts to save the darter snail.

Until then, I will hold gold as a hedge against political corruption and stupidity.

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