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Goldman Raises Tomorrow's NFP Forecast By 50K To 125,000

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Following today's two better than expected employment data points, it was only natural that the world's fastest revising bank would go ahead and promptly revise their forecast for tomorrow's NFP higher. Sure enough...

Revising Up Payroll Forecast; ISM Non-manufacturing Index Falls


1.    We are upgrading our forecast for tomorrow’s nonfarm payroll report to +125k, from +75k previously. This week has featured five better-than-expected pieces of news relating to employment: 1) a relatively robust employment index in the ISM manufacturing survey, despite weaker activity overall in the sector, 2) a substantial month-over-month increase in online job advertising, 3) a much better than expected ADP employment report, 4) slightly lower new jobless claims (although it should be noted these pertain to a time period after the June employment survey was taken), and 5) an improvement in the ISM nonmanufacturing employment index. Despite the upgrade to our payroll forecast, we still expect the unemployment rate to hold at 8.2%.


2.    The ISM non-manufacturing index fell to 52.1 in June from 53.7 in May, a larger decline than expected by the consensus. At its current level, the index is roughly consistent with 1.5% GDP growth. The components of the report were mixed. On the one hand, the general business activity index fell to 51.7 from 55.6 (now at the lowest level since November 2009) and the new orders index fell to 53.3 from 55.5. On the other, the employment component edged up to 52.3 from 50.8. The prices paid index

Then again, considering Goldman's recent predictive "success", we may well be in for a negative NFP print in less than 24 hours. Elsewhere, DB's Joe LaVorgna likely preparing to unleash his +500,000 revision to the world any second now.


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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Uh, so expect a complete market crash tomorrow?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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There will be Muppet blood in the streets.


Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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So what's the point if the figure is out tomorrow?

will they still be revising it when the figure is actually announced?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Jay Gould Esq.
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How curiously serendipidous, the way [ Government-collated ] employment data are trending better, the closer the Election draws.

Purely coincident, no doubt.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment tocointhephrase
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Its time to play the music, its time to light the lights

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Pooper Popper
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What color do bankers bleed?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER

Really? The day before the number? And a number that has surely already been tallied and ready to surprise on Friday? Well played GS.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment Debtless
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Fuck Goldman Sachs ... with a rusty pipe wrench.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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What did that old rusty pipe wrench ever do to you to desrve such punishment?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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OK so then NFP will be around Goldilocks 100K or so, got it.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment FL_Conservative
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Therefore, SELL, by market close today.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I'm raising my NFP prediction to 47.5 jobs created or saved.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment Village Smithy
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In other words "we have an excess of DIA we need to sell, please form a line here you muppets are so lucky today."

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment 101 years and c...
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thats the sweet spot (for bears). keeps ben away from the printer at the aug 1 fomc and not really that good.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment partimer1
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This is a clear indication of a crap shoot.  You can say whatever the fuck you say, and you can change it whaever you want to change just to game the fuck of all dumbass players.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Unemployment rate should fall regardless as people are falling off the rolls.  Since sheeple only look at the rate and not the data, it will be very difficult for the Bensky to QE.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Bastiat009
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Goldman believes they were off by 75% before today. How can I trust people who admit they are off by 75%? Fortunately none of those people are in position to damage the global financial system, right?

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:08 | Link to Comment Jake88
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Thu, 07/05/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment TrainWreck1
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Someone is a glass 75% empty guy instead of a glass a quarter full guy.

Goldman will help us. Goldman cares. The recession is almost over!



I'm so giddy I feel a tingle going down my leg!

Damn, it's not a tingle, it's a trickle :(


Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Hype Alert
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No, but apparently they have software that if were to get into the wrong hands could.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment CreativeDestructor
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NIRP bitchez!!!

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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Winners and losers of higher print.


Loser:All traders hoping for another shot of hopium from bernanke b/f the election.

By the way, not a single number but the trend that is important. And last month the trend changed as there were downward revisions of the previous 2 months. Better headline and downward revsion of last month, would continue the downard trajectory trend. Not that anyone would care, as the headline number is better.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Cursive
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Beware. muppets.  Beware.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment asteroids
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Remember folks, the number is statistical bullshit that should not be trusted. Trust your eyes when you drive around your city. 50M people on food stamps that don't have jobs that pay well enough to feed themselves and their families. After 4 years the situation is shameful.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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That's what pisses me off about economists.  They'll praise a good NFP number tomorrow as "sign of a recovery".  While we're still getting underpaid, overworked, and stores all around malls and streets of America have "Everything Must Go!" signs. 

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:12 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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You just don't understand statistics.  A positive number indicates recovery whereas a negative number is just a single point of data. 

Staples sent me a $100 off coupon on computers that cost $500 or less.  Methinks there may be too much inventory.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Meesohaawnee
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i could so care less "what Goldman thinks".. any entity i dispise in my life ,, i just simply ignore. that day cant come soon enough and their  mental masturbation. We already have know data means nothing. you could print a negative 300k and bennie will rev the algos with grannies money

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Goldman having a "come to Jesus" moment or are they setting up the muppets again?  Place you bets, the casino is open.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment onebir
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Much easier for NFP to miss now => no excuse for no QE

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 10:59 | Link to Comment ejmoosa
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I'd be more interested in what they believe the revised number for May 2012 will be.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Floordawg
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Time to buttfuck some more muppets. "Get the gimp..."

Zed: "Eenie, meanie, miney, moe. Catch a muppet by the toe..."

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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So the insignificant & totally bogus BLS number, 6 market open trading hours before being released, is changed by a degree of  +/- 66% fudge factor...

That's nice...

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Hype Alert
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All will be good until after the election.  Read the script!

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment MFL8240
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Sure, we believe the group that financed the election of Obama to tell us the truth.

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Bold Eagle
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"It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another."

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment kiki69
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hmmm last month GS predicted 125k, we had 69k...just saying...

Thu, 07/05/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment xela2200
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GS lining up the sheep for the fleecing.

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