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Goldman Slays Muppets Again

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The muppet slaying shall continue until no clients remain.

From April 10, via Francesco Garzarelli, two weeks into Q2:

Our recommendation to be short 5-yr Spanish bonds (Oct-2016) against their Italian counterparts (Sept-2016), initiated on March 14 at a yield differential of -6bp, is now at -24.9bp, against our target of -50bp. We would now close the trade, with a potential period total return of 0.35%. in light of the re-pricing that has already occurred, we advise investor to close this particular trade as markets tensions originated on concerns over Spain are now also affecting Italian rates and we do not see much more room for Italian rates to further outperform Spanish ones.

And of course this from June, which just happened to be was a tag-end in June:

We recommend being long an equally-weighted basket of benchmark 5-year Spanish, Irish and Italian government bonds, currently yielding 5.9% on average, for a target of 4.5% and tight stop loss on a close at 6.5%.

In other words, Goldman advised clients to be buying Italian bonds exiting Q1 and heading into Q2, as well as exiting Q2 and heading into Q3.

Enter the company's Q2 10-Q filing. Via Bloomberg:

Goldman Sachs Cut Italy Debt Holdings 92% Last Quarter

 

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS), the fifth- biggest U.S. bank by assets, cut its holdings of Italian sovereign debt by 92 percent in the second quarter after boosting them in the first three months of the year.

 

“Market exposure” to Italian government bonds fell to $191 million at the end of June from $2.51 billion at the end of March, the New York-based firm said in a quarterly regulatory filing today. Goldman Sachs also increased its credit-derivative positions on Italy in the quarter, pushing its total market exposure to Italian government and non-government securities to negative $977 million from positive $2.4 billion in March.

And there it is again: Goldman was telling its client muppets to engage in precisely the opposite action of what its own prop traders were actually doing. Because as Goldman itself was selling Italian bonds with both hands, it was telling the remaining muppets to buy Italian bonds, as a hedge to a short Spain position (incidentally, a pair trade on which Goldman also lost money as it was buying Spanish bonds).  If nothing else, it sure makes us feel better about the 15th consecutive long "EURUSD" fade of Tom Stolper. He has never let us down in the previous 14 times. We are confident 15 will again be the charm.

 

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Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:06 | 2691372 strongband
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On a short or long enough timeline, Stolper's success rate is always zero.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:11 | 2691388 Pladizow
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Goldman's clients are sado-masochists!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:15 | 2691398 Arius
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i might be wrong, but I am putting my neck out there ...

my understanding is that there are chinese walls between departments dealing with client advise and the traders who perform the important function of providing liquidity and taking the other side of the trade.... so, might be a diversion of opinions ... that is my take anyway ... and i will be the first to admit that i might be wrong...

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:17 | 2691411 Precious
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"... these fucking muppets are like herpes ..."

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 13:18 | 2691583 Thomas
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These guys will hang from lamp posts someday.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:32 | 2691724 Precious
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... again the metaphor ...

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:14 | 2691727 AldousHuxley
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back in 2011 insiders bought MF GLobal's Italian bonds at a firesale discounted prices. 5% off of market rate.

 

I guess they are trying to off load that turd since then.

 

Forget Spanish side of the trade....Goldman also made French bond pair trade with Italians....anything to get rid of Italians.

 

They just want that 5% profit by selling at market price.

 

Also ZH should disclose full net position of GS including any CDS offsets...otherwise ZH is turning to businessinsider I'm afraid.

 

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lDRRJhgiFTE/T9tShSNsaII/AAAAAAAAAqU/7LcljR9adL...

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:17 | 2691416 Getting Old Sucks
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You forgot to add: /sarc

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:19 | 2691429 Arius
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makes it more fun that way :-)

Viva muppets ... god knows somebody has to separate the fools from their hard earned money ... doing Gods work on planet earth ..

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:45 | 2691507 cougar_w
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So all God ever wanted was ... all the money?

And suddenly so many inexplicable things make so much more sense.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:45 | 2691508 odatruf
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Seriously.  It's like the Darwin Awards of Finance.  Following GS guidance is about the same as this: http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2010-10.html

 

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:33 | 2691469 kliguy38
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correct.......its the same chinese wall i have between my neighbors commode and my commode.....funny thing is i can hear them shit and i can smell their shit just like its in my commode .......funny how that works

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:14 | 2691403 old naughty
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They really know how to pick terms like "muppets".

Floored.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 16:52 | 2692202 MillionDollarBoner_
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You are 50% right.

They are masochists.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:25 | 2691447 vast-dom
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Again and again and again.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:28 | 2691455 Carl Spackler
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But Stolper's bonus check is always signed by LLoyd.

Why anyone continues to trade through Goldman is beyond me.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:18 | 2691736 slaughterer
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GS re-affirmed their conviction buy on RL today in PM with a price target of $200 uising some convoluted logic that defies the headwinds RL is facing.  Result: stock down 2$  Muppets are getting wise.  

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:07 | 2691373 govttrader
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Did I just say its AAAAALLLLLL about positioning??

http://govttrader.blogspot.com/

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:07 | 2691374 cougar_w
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Snatching up the loot with both hands, here at the end of the world.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:28 | 2691457 fuu
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Leaving the tentacles free to...

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:42 | 2691495 cougar_w
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to ... to ... no. i'm not going to go there. and later i will scrub that visual from my mind. after i've enjoyed it for a little while first.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:07 | 2691375 malikai
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Can't wait to see Stolper's next bloodbath.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:20 | 2691433 PontifexMaximus
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But he still has his job!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:22 | 2691439 malikai
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Just wait until he's Treasury Secretary.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:07 | 2691376 Jlmadyson
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Saw this earlier this morning.

They took a big fat dump on Italian notes heh.

Euro 1.30 anyone?

Smartest guys in the room alright.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:07 | 2691377 alien-IQ
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How is it even legal to so blatantly lie to clients?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:09 | 2691385 Abraxas
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The clients obviously like it. Otherwise they wouldn't be coming back for more.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:10 | 2691392 NotApplicable
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It's not a lie, but rather an opinion.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:36 | 2691476 insanelysane
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fine print

 

I believe their fine print reads something like:  Our clients are our business.  We make money front running our clients but we make more money being on the other side of trades from our clients.   

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:09 | 2691391 doc_in_the_house
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the muppets deserve it !!

that's bc they have the "safe" illusion..just like madoff's client...what did they have in common with madoff? same race, same religion !! just like the subprime mess, it was mexican mortgage brokers raping mexicans, blacks raping blacks....oh well not my problem !! btw = i steered clear of any home purchases....haven't yet bought my first home...LOL !! waiting for a series of MAJOR drops !!!

spx @ 1399, eur @ 1.227

but, but just minutes ago @ 1407 and 1.233 = STUPID PERFORMANCE CHASERS !!

me = JUST RIDING my spx 1401 avg price shorts and eur SHORTS avg price 1.24

how's that "eur to 1.30" call working out?? you piece of SAC OF FECAL GARBAGE GS !! = me short !!!!! and RIDE !!!!

10 yr treasury toilet paper selling off, its up 7 basis points..and casino spx is NOT being pumped !! i guess the lemmings woke up !!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/why-did-bls-leak-initial-claims-data-15-minutes-early#comment-2690987

 

ok back to watching something more productive than those STUPID PERFORMANCE CHASING CHEERLEADERS, with their "insightful insight" = STUPID REPORTERS from bloomberg and cnbc...back to watching looney tunes and curious george and others.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:17 | 2691419 disabledvet
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You forgot to add "KISS MY SHINY METAL ASS." Other than that I'd say spot on.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 13:16 | 2691579 doc_in_the_house
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i'd wait for gold to sub $300/oz

= convert all my monopoly funny money to gold...in the meantime, accumulate as much monopoly money = by shorting the pumped up casino, and covering on major sell-offs !

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:21 | 2691435 alien-IQ
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dude...really. when the fuck are you going to stop with your ridiculous "performance chaser" (in bold no less) psychobabble?

Nobody is going to sign up for your "picks" for many reasons, not the least of which being that you come across like a complete moron who is coming totally unglued.

take your fucking lithium and give it a fucking rest. PLEASE.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 13:14 | 2691573 doc_in_the_house
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my avg SHORT EUR price = 1.24

(1.2373 last week and 1.2425 early this week)..its now @ SUB 1.23...

STUPID PERFORMANCE CHASERS = MUPPETS, were buying it last week @ 1.244 !!! LOL !!!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 13:55 | 2691665 Metalredneck
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I for one, would miss his pithy insight and wis...

 

Sorry.  Even full /sarc is not happening today.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:26 | 2691452 Meesohaawnee
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doc go to yahoo finance. thats some serious comedy central there. Get a load of the nesto/mackey clown hour... Oh and they tagged teamed up with bubblevision. Double your pleasure baby

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:10 | 2691393 tu-ne-cede-malis
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Do as I do, not as I say.  Right?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:46 | 2691510 cougar_w
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Wrong. That would ruin everything.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:15 | 2691405 disabledvet
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I have a sudden urge to go long media plays. Which side is Berlusconi on this time?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:17 | 2691415 Gadocat99
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Amazing lemming group think.  There must be a steady stream of nouveau riche.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:18 | 2691418 sawman
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Seriously - Impossible to have any sympathy with anyone still following the advice/opinion of this bunch of theives. Remaining clients need to return to their villages before the idiot vacancy is filled.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:20 | 2691432 disabledvet
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"Goldman bids...you ask." and that is a diiference indeed. What was that thing where the Freak Traders never actually have to take delivery?

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:19 | 2691425 firstdivision
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why people/companies continue to do business with them is beyond me.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:49 | 2691520 NotApplicable
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Easy, OPM.

If failure is all but guaranteed (which it is in ZIRP World), then what can one do other than take the advice of "the best of the breed."

That way, when you fail, you can point to the fact that "Hey, how could I do any better, if the "experts" are failing too?"

OPM kills the risk/reward equation. Instead of properly judging risks of investments, they judge the risk of being caught outside of the status quo.

Yet another case of "safety" in numbers. In this case, the safety of job security.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:19 | 2691427 bigwavedave
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Seriously. I have ways of taking this firm down. I am not joking. It MIGHT be illegal. I am not so sure.  But I can take them out. It involves magnets. 

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:23 | 2691444 DOT
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"Making a market"    The word "make" now means..........

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:24 | 2691445 ebworthen
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Goldman Sachs and the U.S.S.A. Government:

"Do as we say, not as we do".

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:25 | 2691450 mammoth mo
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From the movie Stripes

 

- I'm gonna fold.
- Okay.

Well, I'm still in.
Cruise, how about you?

Maybe I should fold.

Well, let me see.
Let me see first.

No, not with a hand like that.
Come on.

Dare me. Go on, bluff me.
Come on.

How much should I bet?

If it were me, I'd bet everything.

But that's me. I'm
an aggressive gambler. Mr. Vegas.

Come on. Go for it. Go for it.

Yes, yes, there we go. I'm in.

- What do you got?
- Well, I got a full house.

Three threes and two sixes, that's
a full house. What have you got?

- Two fours, I got an ace.
- You got an ace, an eight and a seven.

Well, you lose. If you would've had
four fours, you would've won.

- You're getting good.
- Starting to get the hang of it.

Isn't this fun? You're pretty good
for a first time, really.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:31 | 2691463 daz
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you know... it's the market....

 

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:31 | 2691466 Getting Old Sucks
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See Benny?  Since you took a break from buying everyone's shit........

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:41 | 2691479 Quinvarius
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This is lawsuit ready.

I understand them making a trade.  By why the fk are they putting their clients on the other side?  The clients cannot be adding meaningful liquidity to the other side of the trade for them.  Is this just plain sadism? 

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:44 | 2691505 Getting Old Sucks
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Yup, I heard Big Bird called Elmo, Grover, Burt, The Cookie Monster, and Oscar to an emergency Muppet meeting. 

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:37 | 2691482 salami_tsunami
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instead of being clients these people should be buying sachs stock

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:19 | 2691516 Getting Old Sucks
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And risk Uncle Warrens money?  Blasphemy!

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 12:42 | 2691496 JLee2027
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Just more proof the entire market is manipulated as wanted by the elites.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:17 | 2691730 irie1029
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ZH rocks my world with an ample doses of humor every frigging day!!!  If only it wasn't so sad innocents hurt...

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:16 | 2691731 pashley1411
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GS is simply a manifestation of Shiva the Destroyer.    of wealth, that is.

What comes into being must at some time return to nothingness.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:17 | 2691732 pashley1411
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dup

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 14:50 | 2691840 3x2
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cut its holdings of Italian sovereign debt by 92 percent in the second quarter after boosting them in the first three months of the year.

 

Well you might think they would learn. Don't put your hands into the Hornets nest.

GS say's left - go right. No sympathy for the muppets here.

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 15:01 | 2691864 Neethgie
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How fucking rich do you have to be to survive the nightmare that is goldman?

seriously even buffet would be bust by now.

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