Goldman's Take On The Imminent German EFSF Vote

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Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:31 | 1721086 Cassandra Syndrome
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Thanks, but the cognitive process of Germans speaking in a parliament made me hide behind the couch.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:32 | 1721088 Edward Fiatski
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Wow, that iron eagle in the middle of assembly - sieg heil!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:42 | 1721094 Cassandra Syndrome
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Subtle... You would think someone might have mention this to the interior designer at the time. "Em, that Iron eagle in your plan, might be a little bit, you know..."

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:51 | 1721098 Edward Fiatski
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The finmin of Germany is invoking the Spirit of Hitler right now.

P.S. What a minimalistic approach to design of the assembly: I understand, German slaves have no real parliament, no democracy; nothing depends on their vote. Still, they are numerous, and rebellion is not welcome, thus they get this little circus.


Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:05 | 1721109 reload
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You are so right - I am not even German, but it is making me angry!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:08 | 1721110 Edward Fiatski
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I'm always right. :)

Tune in:

P.S. The Germans love their servitude in the European superstate, as they loved it back in 1933 - that's the tragedy of the German people, always looking for that iron pimp hand to integrate them into society, otherwise they have no purpose or direction.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:11 | 1721119 zilverreiger
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whats wrong with the minimalist design, where the people are the centre of attention, it looks solid to me, their parliament is a pretty building too, its a multi story round glass beehive.


what do you mean no real parliamanet? they have as much power as parliaments worldwide do.


Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:17 | 1721123 Edward Fiatski
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Really? They bend over and take the cock, when it comes to non-municipal matters.

Have you seen German porn? I recomment the movie "Batfuck".

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:04 | 1721167 falak pema
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The cock that crowed in babylonian...Batfuck ist gut fur for the plumbing. In France all plumbers are now Poilsh. Thats the new Europa of the leaning tower, cleaning shower. No more Turkish toilets in Europa. We will all be Greeks and dump in the sea.

I find this iron maidchen eagle thread mind boggling, I'm waffling. I need good chardonnay. And the dialogue on this thread has to improve or move.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:33 | 1721142 Ghordius
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see my comment below - it's the same building that got partially burned down by Hitler's goons so that they could blame the communist jews, all the new stuff is glass and steel to better see the historic building

Real Parliament? Just note how many times the non-German press made fun of the German Government always careful not to do "something right" because of fears of losing the next election in one of the Bundesländer? How more democratic can you get?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:31 | 1721134 Ghordius
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Edward FiatskiCassandra Syndromeyou are so cute in your ignorance

"that iron eagle" is, properly speaking, over 2000 years old

the eagle was first introduced by general MARIUS as a symbol of the roman legions

it became the symbol of the Roman Republic, then of the Roman Empire

Charlemain adopted it as the symbol of the Holy Roman Empire

Imperial Russia adopted it too - now it's the symbol of the Russian Federation

The american colonies adopted as THE SYMBOL OF THE USA, IN REMEMBRANCE OF THE ROMAN REPUBLIC, with other symbols like the CAPITOL, etc.

the Germans readopted it as a symbol of the German Empire and readopted again as a symbol of Nazi Germany

the German Federal Republic readopted it again as a symbol of reunification with East Germany

the Germans call this specific iron eagle since the first time it was erected (around 1949) as the PLEITEGEIER, i.e. the "CARRION BIRD OF DEFAULT", TODAY THIS IS THE REAL JOKE


the minimalistic design is because above in the building called "Reichstag" you have a glass dome where visitors can "look through" - this minimalist approach is designed to emphasize "TRANSPARENCY"

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:35 | 1721145 Edward Fiatski
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The Eagle is great by itself, so is the five-pointed star on each and every flag, insignia and coat of arms, but the German design hasn't changed since the Nazi years.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:41 | 1721150 Ghordius
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that particular eagle was specifically designed NOT to look like the Nazi Eagle, which was specifically designed to look a bit more like the Italian Fascist Eagle, which was specifically designed to look more serious than the previous versions.

Have a look at the Austrian Eagle, complete with Hammer and Sickle and broken chains to simbolize the popular revolution - it's the "original" Holy Empire Eagle which you will find on nearly every historic building in the former HRE, even in Italy, parts of France, Poland, Austria, Switzerland, etc.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:43 | 1721154 Edward Fiatski
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I don't care for your respective Nationalist states, what we're building in Europe is the Tower of Babylon, something far greater than the Roman Empire.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:48 | 1721158 falak pema
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Colossus of Rhodes? Leaning tower of Pisa? Lighthouse of Alexandria? All phallic. That's why they fascinate Merkel.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:52 | 1721161 Ghordius
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is this one of those non-arguments about nation-states having to be "proper", i.e. one race, one territory, one language, one currency, one set of laws, etc?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:58 | 1721164 Edward Fiatski
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As you know, one territory - no borders has been effectively implemented, language - this one is a bit tricky due to the French and Germans still refusing to learn the English language (LOL); other smaller countries in Europe present a lesser problem in this aspect. One currency - it's there, it may reach parity with the USD, so be it - everyone nowadays has to compete with 2 billion of slave labour on this planet, might as well devalue, but preserve it.

Set of laws... ah yes, the final implementation comes with the introduction of a cashless currency, a biometrics ID (finger prints, iris scans and possibly DNA data).

One race - this one is ensured by the open borders and free-flow and movement of people on the European sub-continent; a mixed race by the 2100s.

Sieg heil, bitches. :)

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:49 | 1721160 fishface
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The Nazi symbol was the Swastika

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:47 | 1721157 falak pema
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Battle of Tuetoburg Forest, 9 BC...the Lost three legions of Varus. "Where are my golden eagles?" Raged a lost soul in his imperial palace. The birth of the German nation. Arminius, who later died after defeats at Germanicus's hands.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 06:07 | 1721171 French Frog
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Edward Fiatski, Cassandra Syndrome, you are so cute in your ignorance

One could not have put it more politely lol

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:10 | 1721299 Nussi34
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FinMin = Schräubler

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 07:57 | 1721388 covert
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Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:26 | 1721080 Gandalf6900
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Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:27 | 1721083 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Green's Trittin just said: "this is not a souverign debt crisis" - WTF?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:27 | 1721084 gojam
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I'm pinning my hopes on the Dutch.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:36 | 1721090 Fips_OnTheSpot
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..and Slovakia

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:53 | 1721101 falak pema
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double dutch.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:54 | 1721102 zilverreiger
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better dont do that, we always do what germany or america do

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:28 | 1721085 Mongo
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They call it a vote? The crap has already been decided by the elite running the show.


Go back to work debt slaves!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:38 | 1721089 falak pema
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Liesman rumor mill and Germany's kaput deutschlander phobia mill. 

"Schon wieder neue Schuhe! Warum wirfst du dein Geld zum Fenster hinaus? Du musst doch sparen."

"Another pair of new shoes. Why do you put your money down the drain? You have to save"....AKA...

"We'll all go slowly down the drain if Deutschland takes the EFSF train." DAS GELD ZUM FENSTER HINAUSWERFEN pour money down the drain

Vote and pray...that Merkel be Bismarck's girl. 


Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:37 | 1721091 Hman
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Time for the stooges to put on an act ....

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:53 | 1721092 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Questioned about leveraging the EFSF, Schaeuble says: Leveraging would need another vote by Bundestag. I wonder how long that will last.

EDIT: and "the E211bn from Germany will be enough" O'rly?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:04 | 1721108 It is a bargin ...
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This was classic last night on BBC Newsnight

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:22 | 1721124 EZYJET PILOT
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Never mind a vote by the German elite, where is the vote by the German people! This profoundly reshapes the German constitution and they are leaving this up to a few bought and paid for politicians, what the hell is going on! If this goes through they should storm the German parliament.


The pertinent bit from the article,

The other problem is whether or not the German government can actually get this solution passed.   This out of Germany this morning "Andreas Vosskuhle, head of the constitutional court, said politicians do not have the legal authority to sign away the birthright of the German people without their explicit consent.  He stated that 'The sovereignty of the German state is inviolate and anchored in perpetuity by basic law. It may not be abandoned by the legislature (even with its powers to amend the constitution),'  There is little leeway left for giving up core powers to the EU. If one wants to go beyond this limit – which might be politically legitimate and desirable – then Germany must give itself a new constitution. A referendum would be necessary. This cannot be done without the people, he told newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine."

Therefore, if the expansion of the EFSF, including the SPV, isn't legal from a German perspective without a formal vote of the people, then this deal is most likely dead before it starts.  If that is the case then the markets are in for a lot of trouble and most likely soon.  Again, this sounds a LOT like what the UK government said to Barclay’s when they wanted to buy Lehmann. Is this sounding more and more familiar? Are you getting as worried as I am?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:30 | 1721141 Ned Zeppelin
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Germans will approve and equities will, to steal a phrase, "soar." Like an eagle.  Crisis over.  

For now. Buy the gold dip and sit back.  You've got more time to prepare. 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 05:58 | 1721163 fishface
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Germans will approve and equities will, to steal a phrase, "soar." Like an eagle.

and then they crash and burn like a Zeppelin  ;-)

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