Goodbye Civilization: So Simple A Greekman Can Do It

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Around 1000 people per day are still losing their jobs in Greece with the percentage of the population not working now uncomfortably larger than those who are employed. This is creating drastic - or perhaps more aptly philosophical - reflections by its people. As the BBC reports, the feeling in Greece is that a "whole generation is on hold" and there is a growing trend towards the creation self-sustaining eco-communities - free of the ties of money and modern civilization. "What others saw as a global economic crisis, [Greeks] saw as a crisis of civilization" and so they are trying something different, growing their own food, bartering with one another, and exchanging surpluses with other villages. The community calls itself "Free and Real" - an acronym for Freedom of Resources for Everyone, Respect, Equality, Awareness and Learning - and it is growing as a stunning 76% of Greeks would like to emigrate. The positivist angle notes that the Greek crisis is not all bad as it shows the lives we are leading are not working and Greeks can "begin to look for alternatives." Everyone is stressed; but "Being able to work is a basic human right in a civilized society, if the government won't provide us with it then we will have to fight for it."

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Mon, 08/20/2012 - 09:36 | 2720294 phat ho
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agora 'bitchez'

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 09:43 | 2720316 GetZeeGold
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Crucifixions in Egypt. Bill Kristol will weigh in on how that's a good thing at 11:00.

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 09:51 | 2720329 Stackers
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Long Live the Communist Commune !!! (sarc.)

 

 

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 09:53 | 2720334 GetZeeGold
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It's all fun until someone get crucified or beheaded.

 

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:02 | 2720363 saturn
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Freedom is terrorism by law. Governments will unite and take thorough care to rid the world of terrorists. Only the meek may get hands on food stamps. Yum!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:53 | 2720499 Manthong
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if the government won't provide us with it”

Starting off with that mind-set they will be screwed no matter what they do.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:54 | 2720839 Totentänzerlied
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This x 100000000000^100.

"Being able to work is a basic human right in a civilized society, if the government won't provide us with it then we will have to fight for it."

????? >>>>>> ?????? >>>>> WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTT???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!! So total and complete is the lack of knowledge of economics and political economy of that single truly pathetic sentence.

Sounds as if they think they're taking a brief respite from Greek state socialism, merely biding time with agorism/anarcho-socialism/communitarianism until its return, and then things will all be okay again.

Just more white adults turned into intellectually degenerate adult children by the state.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 02:31 | 2722929 Siniverisyys
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Mother nature doesn't deny the right to earn. Please enlighten me as to why an economy should.

When a few hundred of us can feed millions, where does that leave you? I guess you should just stop breathing, you've outlived your usefulness.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:21 | 2720927 poor fella
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If government is working against what's best for the people, it's not providing an environment conducive to positive change (the 'it' in the statement above).

The U.S. government is waiting for market forces and tax policies to create jobs, yet this is what, the 6th jobless recovery in the last 30 years? Quite a lot to expect.

Whether people like it or not, corporatocracy will limit everything governments provide - for GOOD & BAD. 

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 16:41 | 2721598 caconhma
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Greece ia a NATO member and the best friend of Israel.

What is the world is coming to?????

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 17:09 | 2721714 phyuckyiu
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Amusing that you used a picture of Ken Kesey's replica Furthur bus that he made specifically to con the Smithsonian out of $$$$. The original still rusts out in the forest in Eugene. Are Greeks that good of Pranksters? They better try or they're dead.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 11:15 | 2730372 e-recep
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israel is an artificial country set up with foreign money. when that money dries up, israel will dry up too. it is losing friends already.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 22:06 | 2722412 mjcOH1
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if the government won't provide us with it”

Starting off with that mind-set they will be screwed no matter what they do.

 

Well luckily 76% of Greeks want to emigrate and spread that learnin' around.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:02 | 2720364 debtor of last ...
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Only when you try to establish a bank.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:22 | 2720408 Oh regional Indian
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Funny language, english. It should be de-headed, no? Like de-fanged adn de-clawed?

 

If you be-head someone, it looks lik eyou should be giving them A head. ;-)

I'll tell you all this, India is starting to stretch at the seams. From a social engineering perspective, those massive power outages, crazy viloence at the Suzuki Plant in Delhi, they actually burned one of their managers (HR guy, ironically), full on in-xodus of foreign buy-outs as Indians firms, especially in tech heavy or finance heavy sectors (like aviation, ripe pickings for big international operators as India's airline industry totters), huge import demand slow-down for goods in general, food prices sky-rocketing, water issues (Average of 4 bore-wells beign dug locally with-in my ear-shot, every week), senseless expenditure on proky projects like Metros being shoved into an ill-planned city like bangalore in an ill-planned way, Finance Minister told banks to drop rates to fan consumer spending to save the ecconomy (Keyenes has a fine student in the incumbent clown running finance here in India) and then most recently this racial tension between north-easterners and muslims (psy-op? most probably)... fuel prices have gone up 20 % in the past couple of years, real-time pricing being mulled (real-time rip-off more like it)...

All very shaky making... I go out and it just does not feel right.,...

ori

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2720463 falak pema
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Ori what happened to India's field hockey team in the Olympics?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:46 | 2720478 Oh regional Indian
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That Q, my friend, en-capsulates the Indian fake story of glory in 10 words and 2 punctuation marks or less.

Right there. Both internally, in India and Abroad, the India Shining story has been the biggest case of media fakery you can imagine.

ori

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:07 | 2720533 falak pema
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sad I always thought Holi and Hockey were Indian! 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:43 | 2720470 GoinFawr
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"Funny language, english. It should be de-headed, no? Like de-fanged adn de-clawed?"

Welcome to English Pal

"All very shaky making... I go out and it just does not feel right.,..."

That only happens to me when I'm trying to speak French.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:50 | 2720492 Oh regional Indian
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Hah.. awesome link, everyone should check it out. Good laugh.

Stepping out in an Indian Metropolis with all your sense keenly awake is quite an overwhelming experience, I'll tell you that GowinFawr.

ori

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:57 | 2720513 GoinFawr
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I hear that.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 16:54 | 2721659 Mysteerious Roo...
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The "ghoti" thing was ripped off from George Bernard Shaw.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 22:22 | 2722449 GoinFawr
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Not by me... Serves him right though, darn watercress sandwich munching socialist.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:12 | 2720710 Gimp
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ORI thanks for the Indian perspective. I work with a lot of Indians and they all seem to be trying to get the hell out of the Indian sub-continent and move there families to Europe, US, Canada...makes sense "why" now.

You can only fake it for so long before the wizard is exposed.

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 12:40 | 2720797 Oh regional Indian
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Sure thing Gimp.

I think it's Naked Emperor time all around. Hopefully and about time too anyway, eh?

ori

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:51 | 2720496 toady
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Or puts an eye out.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2720525 Uchtdorf
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That's so Middle Ages. Now our enlightened leaders use a .40 Jacketed Hollow Point to the back of the head. Watch froggy jump!

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 09:54 | 2720339 johnQpublic
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when the hell did working become a basic human right?

and,wtf, if the government wont provide us with work....

 

i will pay 1000 US dollars to punch the person who said that right in the neck

1000 US fiat dollars

serious offer

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 09:59 | 2720351 Precious
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Excellent.  Failed NANNY STATE.  Lets hope it catches on.  

Maybe people in other "developed countries" will find out what it's like to be human again, instead of some mass brainwashed, welfare addicted, anesthetized robotron.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:03 | 2720362 Stackers
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Sorry JohnQ, Karl Marx died about 150 years ago you missed your chance.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:27 | 2720423 LMAOLORI
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He lives on in Barack Obama and many others

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:07 | 2720375 redpill
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Now you know how Greece became Greece :)

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:27 | 2720424 Precious
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Historically according to certain theology, you have a right to work anyday except Sunday.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:35 | 2720449 BooMushroom
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Working has always been a basic human right.

Having mommy government give you a job, however, is not. And. Ring assigned someone from whom you expect a paycheck is not, either.

A human looks around, sees his situation and his environment, and using logic, comes up with a way to improve his lot in life. That is work. And when the government says you have to have their permission, follow their arbitrary rules, and fill out mindless paperwork in order to do any work, they are interfering with that right.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:01 | 2720867 Totentänzerlied
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The right to labor and property is "the pursuit of happiness", of course all natural rights are inextricably linked.

You're right, and you've shown how the person quoted in the article is still deeply embedded in a statist conception of ... everything ... where the right to work is twisted to become the right for the state to control the labor market.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:53 | 2721058 poor fella
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I agree with the majority of sentiments, but one thing I've been thinking about regarding a WPA program in the US.

People need the opportunity to be productive, learn, and meet new people; instead of sitting around. This is exactly where the entrepreneurial spirit lives and how new ideas and businesses are hashed out.

This would sop up extra labor and people would be more inclined to get motivated and look for new opportunities in AN UNLOCKED JOBS MARKET. It would also help get wages off rock bottom levels and help rebuild the middle class. There are plenty of currently employed that would prefer to do something else, for instance, get outside and build retaining walls or install energy projects.

For low skilled tasks, there are plenty of people for those areas, and people that prefer having no responsibility are actually happier in these jobs (vs. somebody over-edumacated).

I don't see many negatives and although a long shot, the Obamney's of the world are completely willing to allow the country to stagnate (collapse) for another 20 years, which is exactly what's happening.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:29 | 2721376 AustriAnnie
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Because those who work for the gov't A) work hard, B) learn entrepreneurship, and C) will use this experience to go out on their own and be productive in the future.

Riiiiiight.

Putting everyone to "work" for the gov't creates dependency, entitlement expectations, wastes resources, costs the real productive members of society money (See Bastiat for "what is seen and not seen" - the use of money and resources for central planning is taken FROM another productive use), and creates even more bureaucrats who now have a "job" running around and telling us what we can/can't do, charging us fines and fees, making us fill out paperwork to so much as sneeze.

Spend 2 weeks on a construction job full of union gov't workers and observe.  You'll see whining, griping, lazy products of public schools who are just filling in the hole between gov't education and their gov't pension in retirement with a few decades of gov't paychecks.

Furthermore, anyone who actually WANTS to work (and I mean work) would be shunned from a union construction site in 2 seconds flat.  In fact, unions impose fines on anyone who is too productive (e.g. fines for using tools which are too efficient and therefore risk putting another union brother out of work).

And above all, to have the gov't put people to work WPA style means they have to tax or print the money to pay them.  This increases the burden on individuals and businesses who are actually busting their ass today. Furthermore, gov't contracts are given out according to political favor (campaign contributions), affirmative action and quota ("Minority-owned", "Women-owned", and "Veteran-owned"), and union is favored (prevailing wage requirement).  Nothing here helps "rebuild the middle class" unless you agree with Krugman, in which case lets just tax everyone 100% and everyone can dig ditches in the back yard then fill them up.

(P.S. don't try to use the argument that making these ppl work is better than outright welfare.  Because entitlement programs actually suck up more money in the ADMINISTRATION of those programs than going to the recipients.  It can be said that entitlement programs are make-work programs as well.  Lets create a class of administrators and inspectors and supervisors to oversee a WPA.  You'll have 10 pencil and paper-pushers for every 1 worker out in the field.)

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 17:03 | 2721695 Mysteerious Roo...
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Animal Farm. Some are more equal than others.

Plus ça change...

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 03:26 | 2722949 Siniverisyys
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I can't address everything you've written here, except that it doesn't seem you've ever worked a labour (or union) position and not adequately knowledgeable to write about work or REAL work.

I think that the crux of the problem is that there will never be enough jobs for everyone - payroll jobs & small business. A proportion of the population will always be unnecessary. The real question is what to do with them...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:37 | 2720450 Marley
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In all likelihood, about the same time Reagonomics and The Trickle Down theory became a religion.  Gotta love fascism.  If only they'd read Ayn Rand.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:38 | 2720456 Sven Sikztu
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and yet  something as basic as Self Defense isn't a Human Right. Ooooh, scary concept, can't have that taught in schools...

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:43 | 2720467 Old Poor Richard
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The ability of two parties to make a transaction, e.g. employer and employee, on terms suitable to the two parties without any interference from the state is a God-given basic human right bespoiled by toxic governments.

People have a right to work and people have a right to hire; the government actively prevents this by imposing artificial rules of employment and a contrived "economy" not determined by free markets that keeps this simple system from working properly.

We'll see whether these voluntary "communist" enclaves are outlawed as not giving the bankster/government priests their tithe.

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:51 | 2720494 GoinFawr
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"...when the hell did working become a basic human right?"

Congratz! You've all had your Pavlovian bell rung! 

What does it feel like to be had?

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 17:00 | 2721687 Mysteerious Roo...
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My daughter just hit me up for 500 bucks, and I gave it to her. So you can punch ME for $1000. Damn. Who knew? What an opportunity!

Hm.

Or you can punch my daughter for 500.

Your choice.

 

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 22:21 | 2722456 KowPie
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Define "punch" and include photo of daughter please.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:24 | 2720413 asteroids
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We have all heard "Man is a Political Animal". WRONG! The correct translation from the Greek is that "Man is an animal of the City" (Polis). Greeks are simply reverting back to a very old idea. They realize that Athens is morally bankrupt and will kill them all if they don't do something else.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:01 | 2720361 CH1
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agora 'bitchez'

Amazing that you got down arrows for this. I guess Sunstein's trolls learned the term.

For those who remain uninformed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 10:12 | 2720389 saturn
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thanx

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 13:13 | 2720909 Totentänzerlied
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The article states they are not using money. Seems that they have confused gov't issued fiat currency for money. Without money, they will be going nowhere fast. I have a very strong suspicion the definition of agorism a libertarian/anarchist has in mind is NOT the operative definition here, remember the historical agoras were no more free markets in free societies than the workers' co-ops of the late Soviet Union. I find it too hard to believe based on this article alone that any number of Greeks have so quickly cast off the statist/interventionist/socialist mentalitities that define the modern Greek state and society. My guess is anarcho-communism (yes, an impossibility and a contradiction in terms, in reality).

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 15:44 | 2721435 AustriAnnie
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Communism and voluntary sharing of resources are not the same thing.

When we refer to communism as a political/economic system, usually there is nothing voluntary about it.  Citizens are forced to give up the fruits of their labor.

What we are seeing in Greece is groups of people banding together (voluntarily) into what could be called "communes", perhaps.  But to say that this is communISM is a stretch.  My guess is that the moment each of these feel that the goods they bring to the bartering table are not exchanged for worthwhile value, they will take their goods elsewhere.

A community barter system and communism are not the same thing.  People seem to think that libertarians don't believe in working together, helping one another, or organizing resource-based exchange.  Its the word "voluntary" that is key.

And what Americans may not realize is that while Greeks have become used to a nanny-state, and have spent a long time working the system, they have already had a barter-type system in place for a long time.  They have used under the table cash black market exchange and are probably more able to understand and exist in a barter world than your average American.  The same is true for other countries, especially those with a VAT, because the only way to survive is to avoid paying tax.  

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